[00:20] <cjwatson> slangasek: managing to find a case where bash isn't a strict superset of dash is relatively good going though. (yes, I know there are a couple ...)
[01:32] <lfaraone> Are there any plans to make Empathy in the default in karmic or karmic+1?
[01:32] <lfaraone> (default IM clinet)
[01:37] <toggles> lol
[01:38] <toggles> lfaraone: you missed hug day mate, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Karmic/MessagingAndCommunicationSelection
[01:49] <TheMuso> dtchen: cool.
[01:59] <lfaraone> toggles: just because I empathize with your problems doesn't mean I want to get all touchy-feely about it. :P
[05:27] <AnAnt> Hello
[05:28] <AnAnt> regarding Depending/Recommending default-mta
[05:28] <AnAnt> I worked on mutt, and changed the Recommends from exim4 to default-mta
[05:28] <AnAnt> and sent that to Debian, so they just replied me with the following:
[05:28] <AnAnt> the policy says that the first depend should be
[05:28] <AnAnt> always a real package and not a virtual (check debian policy 3.8.2);
[05:29] <AnAnt> should that be mentioned here on in the -server chanel ?
[05:37] <AnAnt> debian bug 533442
[06:24] <shastry> why does the ubuntu installer assume that system time is UTC? it no longer gives me the option to set it!
[06:24] <shastry> i am talking about the 9.04 installer.
[06:26] <lamont> slangasek: where was the discussion that convinced me that default-mta should be a Provides:?
[06:27] <lifeless> ttp://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/05/msg00068.html?
[06:27] <lifeless> [as a link in a thread about that]
[06:48] <slangasek> lamont: debian-devel in Feb/Mar, I guess?
[08:43] <shaw> hrm, how do I get an arm ppa build?
[08:44] <cjwatson> shaw: you don't at the moment I'm afraid; there is no working virtualisation set up for arm so PPAs can't be offered
[08:45] <cjwatson> shaw: there is some hope of this changing in the future but not very short-term
[08:45] <shaw> cjwatson: ok, dang.
[11:04] <BUGabundo> guud day
[11:04] <BUGabundo> any compiz experts around?
[11:04] <BUGabundo> mvo is not here right now
[11:56] <BUGabundo> hey MattJ
[11:57] <MattJ> Hi
[12:42] <maxb> Any devicekit-power wizards around who'd care to have a glance at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devicekit-power/+bug/384304 and recommend how to debug?
[12:51] <RainCT> Are there any plans to update portaudio? (Or, any reasons why it wouldn't be updated other than that nobody cares about it?)
[13:32] <TheMuso> infinity: When you're around, mind giving me some pointers as to where I could start in debugging the powerpc texlive-base build issues experienced on the buildds? I haven't yet been able to reproduce it locally, and I'd like to get this fixed.
[14:29] <dtchen> RainCT: right, no current movement, so feel free to tackle
[14:58] <MacSlow> I really hate asking for help...
[14:59] <MacSlow> But how is one supposed to geta  working ./configure into a package meant for building in a PPA?
[15:00] <directhex> not sure i get the question
[15:01] <MacSlow> well I had to update configure.in and examples/Makefile.am of notify-osd in trunk
[15:01] <MacSlow> now I want to build a PPA from an earlier attempt yesterday and just include the changes to notify-osd trunk in a "distro-patch"
[15:02] <MacSlow> I did that via cdbs-edit-patch and all is fine (almost i think)
[15:02] <MacSlow> but the patched-in configure is not executable and the PPA-buildsytem can't find the ./configure thus fails
[15:04] <directhex> make it executable in your configure-stamp rule?
[15:04] <directhex> oh, cdbs. pass.
[15:04] <MacSlow> and that means?
[15:05] <MacSlow> I mena which file to edit?
[15:05] <directhex> it means i don't know how to override cdbs behaviour enough to do what you want
[15:05] <MacSlow> debian/rules
[15:05] <MacSlow> is debian rules applied before or after cdbs patches are applied?
[15:06] <directhex> before. debian/rules is the makefile which is executed in order to build the package. it's the makefile which contains a rule (or includes a rule from an external file) specifying HOW to apply debian/patches/foo
[15:07] <Nafallo> s/before/while/
[15:08] <MacSlow> btw... how comes configure isn't executable in the first place?
[15:09] <MacSlow> when I initially generated the 90_autoreconf.patch after I updated configure.in and examples/Makefile.am it was executable
[16:48] <lesshaste> hi
[16:49] <lesshaste> hi RainCT
[16:50] <lesshaste> hi mrooney
[16:54] <lesshaste> hi mterry
[16:54] <mterry> lesshaste: Yo
[16:55] <lesshaste> I was wondering if anyone could give me advice on reporting/debugging a strange thing where "shutdown" actually "hibernates" on my laptop
[16:55] <lesshaste> it's not really clear to me even which log file is relevant
[16:55] <lesshaste> this is on jaunty 2.6.28-13-generic
[16:56] <mterry> lesshaste: /var/log/kern.log might be useful
[16:56] <mterry> lesshaste: But a likely culprit is gnome-power-manager...  Not sure where it logs to
[16:56] <lesshaste> ah... I am certainly in gnome
[16:57] <mterry> lesshaste: 'ubuntu-bug gnome-power-manager' will probably pull in all useful logs for you
[17:01] <lesshaste> thanks
[17:01] <lesshaste> how can you tell if you have just hibernated or suspended?
[17:01] <lesshaste> I mean, how can you tell them apart?
[17:02] <lesshaste> and ubuntu-bug crashed :)
[17:02] <lesshaste> http://pastebin.ca/1467715
[17:15] <mrooney> lesshaste: you might be better served in #ubuntu-bugs
[17:16] <lesshaste> mrooney, thanks again
[20:32] <slangasek> seb128, pitti: what has rewritten all the .desktop files on my karmic system and invalidated the packages' .checksums files?
[20:32] <slangasek> (will try to file bug eventually, but am in airport right now and this is incidental to the reason I'm running debsums in the first place)
[20:37] <slangasek> pitti: hmm - I think the new pkgbinarymangler stuff is rewriting .desktop files after dh_md5sums is already written out?
[20:38] <slangasek> yep, looks like it... the file on the filesystem matches the one in the package, but doesn't match the .md5sums file
[23:32] <Nyquist333> Anyone know how to get started working with the Grub2 project. I need to know how to get my image to run in a VM for testing. I have to add a feature for my company.