| lifeless | Peng_: pageant has to kick in once; latency kicks in hundreds of times | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| lifeless | Peng_: if the CPU is so slow that starting pageant and having it hand a key out once is slower than some hundred * latency, bzr will be having many other issues ;) | 00:01 |
| RenatoSilva | maybe you want for any reason use http, a shortcut would be nice | 00:01 |
| RenatoSilva | lph: or so | 00:01 |
| RenatoSilva | or lpa: for ignoring -lp-login | 00:01 |
| lifeless | RenatoSilva: the link you asked about in #launchpad is stable, its got the GUIDs embedded | 00:12 |
| lifeless | RenatoSilva: if you want to point to the most recent version of a file, you can use head: or -1, for the revision component. | 00:12 |
| RenatoSilva | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Erenatosilva/%2Bjunk/moin.macro.childpages/download/renato_silva-20090620220448-vcluh5vueefsrn2i/childpages.py-20090620220344-3uvqg24v5ninpo1x-1/ChildPages.py | 00:14 |
| RenatoSilva | where do I put head: ? | 00:14 |
| Peng_ | RenatoSilva: You'd replace the revid, renato_silva-20090620220448-vcluh5vueefsrn2i | 00:16 |
| Peng_ | RenatoSilva: Of course, in a future revision, that file could be deleted, so the URL isn't stable. | 00:16 |
| Peng_ | RenatoSilva: Or it could just be modified into something different. | 00:16 |
| lifeless | Peng_: well, it would be stable, but not reliable :) | 00:16 |
| lifeless | and only in the case that the file gets deleted | 00:17 |
| RenatoSilva | It would be nice to have something simpler like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~renatosilva/+junk/moin.macro.childpages/download/head:/ChildPages.py | 00:20 |
| RenatoSilva | how do I cancel a bzr add? | 00:30 |
| RenatoSilva | bzr remove is not working | 00:30 |
| dash | bzr revert | 00:33 |
| RenatoSilva | ok thanks | 00:39 |
| lifeless | mtaylor: dropping by ? | 00:48 |
| mtaylor | hey lifeless | 00:48 |
| mtaylor | lifeless, dropping by what? | 00:48 |
| lifeless | bzr ;P | 00:48 |
| mtaylor | I'm _always_ in #bzr :) | 00:49 |
| lifeless | :> | 00:49 |
| mtaylor | something is unhappy with my laptop | 00:49 |
| mtaylor | I shut it down and started it again and now nothing seems to be able to find any of my settings | 00:50 |
| lifeless | ouch | 00:50 |
| mtaylor | even though the files are in the home dir | 00:50 |
| mtaylor | like, .mozilla-thunderbird contains an intact profile, but thunderbird can't find it - xchat didn't remember that I want : for nick completion instead of , | 00:50 |
| lifeless | check $HOME? | 00:50 |
| mtaylor | yup: /home/mtaylor | 00:51 |
| mtaylor | I'm going to blame xfs | 00:52 |
| mtaylor | I'm pretty sure stewart is wrong about it being any good | 00:52 |
| mtaylor | this is really going to wind up pissing me off | 00:53 |
| lifeless | reboot again? :< | 00:53 |
| mtaylor | already did | 00:53 |
| lifeless | ah | 00:54 |
| lifeless | so, its not temporary buffer issues | 00:54 |
| lifeless | what about perms? xacls? | 00:54 |
| mtaylor | lifeless: I don't even know how those work | 00:54 |
| mtaylor | well, I know how perms work | 00:55 |
| RenatoSilva | thanks everybody | 00:55 |
| lifeless | I'd find the smallest app that fails; and strace it | 00:55 |
| mtaylor | well... I'm going to say that the thunderbird problem is that my pref.js file is truncated | 00:57 |
| lifeless | ah yes | 00:57 |
| lifeless | thats the 'posix compliant but useless' behaviour we expect from fast file systems. | 00:57 |
| lifeless | [you've seen the ext4 threads/bugs about this right?] | 00:57 |
| mtaylor | lifeless: no. ... but I'm running xfs | 00:58 |
| mtaylor | is this what I get for listening to stew? a fast but useless filesystem? | 00:58 |
| lifeless | on a laptop, fast and dangerous | 00:58 |
| * mtaylor throws something in the direction of melbourne | 00:58 | |
| mtaylor | no kidding | 00:58 |
| lifeless | so here's the basic problem | 00:58 |
| lifeless | writes are slow | 00:59 |
| mtaylor | yup | 00:59 |
| lifeless | apps routinely *don't* fsync or fdsync because it makes ext3 machines die | 00:59 |
| mtaylor | bleh | 01:00 |
| lifeless | so, when you do the following: write, close, rename | 01:00 |
| lifeless | to atomically replace a file foo | 01:00 |
| lifeless | its possible for the directory link for foo to be flushed to disk without the data for foo | 01:01 |
| mtaylor | so - when I go to shutdown my system now and it sits there with a blinking cursor for forever, I'm guessing I should _not_ force power it off, because perhaps it's syncing data to disk? | 01:02 |
| lifeless | yes | 01:02 |
| mtaylor | ass | 01:02 |
| * mtaylor is going to re-install without xfs | 01:02 | |
| lifeless | now to be 'correct' you can do | 01:03 |
| lifeless | fdsync(tmpfile) | 01:03 |
| lifeless | rename | 01:03 |
| mtaylor | but noone is doing that, are they? | 01:03 |
| lifeless | sorry, fsync(tmpfile), rename, fsync(dirfd) | 01:03 |
| lifeless | people that do it, like FF, make linux desktops incredibly slow | 01:04 |
| lifeless | its appropriate for server environments do say 'force X to disk' but its not appropriate for most software | 01:06 |
| lifeless | posix doesn't let you explicitly describe 'file A or file B' except in the roundabout way of the write+rename idiom | 01:06 |
| lifeless | so when ext4 started routinely hosing peoples configs in the same way | 01:07 |
| lifeless | there was a huge furor | 01:07 |
| lifeless | ext4 has been fixed | 01:07 |
| mtaylor | hrm. | 01:16 |
| mtaylor | should I perhaps use ext4 instead of xfs? | 01:16 |
| mtaylor | although - for that matter... why is my _prefs.js_ file _ever_ being written to except when I edit my config? | 01:16 |
| lifeless | give you one guess | 01:17 |
| mtaylor | I'd think that after editing a config file, doing a force X to disk would be acceptable | 01:17 |
| mtaylor | and other times, for things like "last email opened" those could be stored in, oh, I don't know, a separate slightly more acceptably volatile file | 01:17 |
| lifeless | sure | 01:17 |
| * mtaylor punches firefox people in the throat | 01:17 | |
| lifeless | but really | 01:17 |
| lifeless | the main thing is 'all of old, or all of new never just the existence of new' | 01:18 |
| lifeless | if you need more performance than ext3, I hear ext4 has been shaping up very well | 01:18 |
| lifeless | and like I say, this pattern is supported on it now | 01:18 |
| lifeless | ted tso's rants about it not being required by posix aside. | 01:18 |
| mtaylor | well... it's tough to say - it's a new laptop with better disks anyway | 01:18 |
| mtaylor | but stewart just keeps carping about how superior xfs is to everything | 01:19 |
| lifeless | http://mjg59.livejournal.com/108257.html | 01:19 |
| lifeless | this is worth reading | 01:19 |
| lifeless | stewart is right *for servers with battery backed up raid and hardware with no driver quirks and none of this 'suspend' bullshit | 01:19 |
| mtaylor | mmm | 01:20 |
| mtaylor | I don't have that on my laptop | 01:20 |
| mtaylor | actualy - with the new video card, suspend works nicely, thank | 01:20 |
| mtaylor | thanks | 01:20 |
| mtaylor | on the other hand - I can't seem to get 1600x1050 working, and now there is actually nothing in xorg.conf anymore | 01:21 |
| mtaylor | so I can't actually fix it | 01:21 |
| lifeless | is it ubuntu? | 01:21 |
| mtaylor | when did we stop having useful config files? | 01:21 |
| mtaylor | yes | 01:21 |
| lifeless | several releases ago | 01:21 |
| mtaylor | sigh | 01:21 |
| lifeless | dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver IIRC | 01:21 |
| mtaylor | yup. doesn't do squat | 01:21 |
| mtaylor | hrm. that time I got it to add Option"UseFBDev""true" | 01:23 |
| mtaylor | lets see if that helps... | 01:23 |
| mtaylor | lifeless: nope | 01:27 |
| mtaylor | ctrl-alt-backspace seems to not work anymore too, and neither does ctrl-alt-+ or ctrl-alt-- | 01:27 |
| lifeless | cab is disabled by default in recent ubuntu's | 01:28 |
| lifeless | + and - depend on the virtual size + modes | 01:28 |
| lifeless | if they are the same, nothing will happen | 01:28 |
| mtaylor | m. fair enough | 01:28 |
| lifeless | what driver are you using? | 01:29 |
| mtaylor | so, where are the available screen resolutions actually configured these days | 01:29 |
| mtaylor | intel? | 01:29 |
| lifeless | xrandr | 01:29 |
| lifeless | you can persist them in Xorg.conf | 01:29 |
| mtaylor | ah | 01:29 |
| mtaylor | well, it tells me: Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 800, maximum 1280 x 1280 | 01:29 |
| lifeless | but its all geared around dynamic changes | 01:29 |
| === Kissaki is now known as Kissaki^0ff | ||
| johnf | LarstiQ: you about? | 02:51 |
| lifeless | poolie: btw I have a slug membership card for you for this year | 02:54 |
| lifeless | rockstar: mwhudson: http://werkzeug.pocoo.org/ | 03:05 |
| mwhudson | lifeless: anything in particular? | 03:08 |
| lifeless | ran into thelink | 03:09 |
| lifeless | seemed relevant to loggerhead | 03:09 |
| mwhudson | the only part of paste i'd like to replace is the server, perhaps, and werkzeug doesn't have anything special in that department | 03:09 |
| lifeless | debugging aspects | 03:09 |
| mwhudson | (we should look at spawning) | 03:09 |
| lifeless | if you already know of it, cool | 03:09 |
| mwhudson | yup | 03:10 |
| mwhudson | thanks though | 03:10 |
| nekohayo | hey there, I can't seem to get bazaar to acknowledge that I manually resolve my conflicts | 03:42 |
| nekohayo | "0 conflict(s) auto-resolved." | 03:42 |
| nekohayo | what to do at times like this? | 03:42 |
| nekohayo | oh, seems like doing a bzr resolve the-file instead of just bzr resolve ... solved the problem | 03:44 |
| Septi | hi | 07:51 |
| Septi | how can i get a diff from revision 8 to revision 9? | 07:51 |
| lifeless | diff -c 9, or diff -r 8..9 | 07:51 |
| bialix | bzr diff -r8..9 | 07:51 |
| Septi | lifeless, bialix, thanks | 07:54 |
| bialix | igc: hi | 09:31 |
| igc | hi bialix | 09:52 |
| RenatoSilva | Can I create a "pointer" project? A project which only makes reference to the original one? | 10:06 |
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| garyvdm | Hi igc | 10:21 |
| igc | hi garyvdm | 10:51 |
| pygi | nooo, garyvdm is back :p | 12:15 |
| * pygi hides | 12:15 | |
| garyvdm | Hi pygi | 12:16 |
| pisecx | Hi, is there any good user-friendly UI for ubuntu? | 15:15 |
| pygi | pisecx: Olive? | 15:21 |
| pygi | its included in bzr-gtk package | 15:21 |
| pisecx | installed, but can not start it | 15:21 |
| pisecx | ops. started now.. | 15:21 |
| _gpg_ | hello | 16:59 |
| _gpg_ | we were using cmsynergy and switched few months a go to subversion. Actually i"m very interested by bazaar | 17:01 |
| _gpg_ | The "Decentralized with automatic gatekeeper" is what i need with my team actually, i cant find any documentation about how to use/set PQM | 17:01 |
| magcius | Is there a way to get a diff between two different branches? | 17:25 |
| kizzo | "bzr rebase ../opencog" errors with NoSuchRevision: KnitPackRepository('file:///home/kizzo/python-bindings/.bzr/repository/') has no revision ('kizzo@crashtest-20090619010527-8dhvulrdodnszrtj',) | 19:39 |
| kizzo | If anyone would want to try, they can do "bzr branch lp:opencog; bzr branch lp:~kizzobot/opencog/python-bindings; cd python-bindings; bzr rebase ../opencog". | 19:41 |
| theAdib | hello folks. I want to push my bzr repo to my web domain using the ftp account. Buz bzr fails. I do not understand where is the error. | 20:25 |
| theAdib | here is the error message : http://pastebin.com/m11ce7fe4 | 20:25 |
| theAdib | I use bzr on my Ubuntu 8.10. | 20:26 |
| bialix | try bzr --no-plugins push aftp://web613f1@theadib.net/TDD/trunk | 20:30 |
| bialix | if it works file a bug against bzr-svn | 20:31 |
| theAdib | bialix: thx for the hint. Now I come closer. Still some errors: | 20:40 |
| theAdib | FTP temporary error: 451 /TDD/trunk/.bzr/repository/upload/nax1mcnkw7hpb8bffyso.fetch: Append/Restart not permitted, try again. Retrying. | 20:40 |
| theAdib | bzr: ERROR: Transport error: Error setting up connection: 530 Sorry, we dont allow more than 3 connections per host! 530 Sorry, we dont allow more than 3 connections per host! | 20:40 |
| theAdib | I tried using aftp// and ftp// | 20:41 |
| bialix | it seems like your ftp server can't append | 20:42 |
| bialix | I'm not sure if can workaround this | 20:43 |
| kizzo | Here is the error I am getting: http://pastebin.com/d4bddf102 | 20:46 |
| bialix | try to pull lp:opencog first | 20:58 |
| RenatoSilva | it would be nice to bzr push lp:project/* | 22:32 |
| RenatoSilva | * pull | 22:32 |
| RenatoSilva | grrr, * branch | 22:33 |
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| lifeless | RenatoSilva: at a project level you need to make a series to do that | 22:33 |
| lifeless | RenatoSilva: lp:project/series works. as does lp:~user/project/branch | 22:34 |
| RenatoSilva | I tried lp: ~renatosilva/* but doesn't work | 22:34 |
| lifeless | oh | 22:34 |
| lifeless | no, you can't wildcard | 22:34 |
| RenatoSilva | maybe in the future :) | 22:41 |
| lifeless | pull pulls from a single branch | 22:46 |
| lifeless | I'm not sure what it would /mean/ to tell it to pull many branches | 22:47 |
| lifeless | what do you have in mind? | 22:47 |
| RenatoSilva | actually I just thought about bzr branch | 22:50 |
| RenatoSilva | bzr branch lp:/~user/project/* for example would fetch all branches under ~user/project | 22:51 |
| lifeless | well, we have a planned review of the way bzr presents branches and repos that may make it easier to do things like that | 22:53 |
| lifeless | not sure that it would end up being spelt identically ;P | 22:53 |
| meoblast001 | hi | 23:00 |
| meoblast001 | if i have a diff, how do i apply it? | 23:00 |
| meoblast001 | have some uncommited code on my laptop | 23:00 |
| lifeless | is it a plain old diff, or a bundle? | 23:00 |
| meoblast001 | wanted to move it over to my desktop | 23:00 |
| meoblast001 | just a plain diff | 23:00 |
| lifeless | patch -p0 < diff | 23:01 |
| meoblast001 | ok... thanks | 23:01 |
| lifeless | myself, I'd usually commit and push it | 23:01 |
| lifeless | then uncommit on the far end | 23:01 |
| meoblast001 | i didn't finish the feature though | 23:02 |
| lifeless | doing this can handle more situations than plain old diffs | 23:02 |
| lifeless | its ok that its not finished - see where I say 'and uncommit on the far end' | 23:02 |
| meoblast001 | lifeless: this way should be easiest as it's just a few changes in a few files | 23:04 |
| RenatoSilva | lifeless: you mean bzr patch -p0 < diff? | 23:08 |
| lifeless | RenatoSilva: no | 23:08 |
| RenatoSilva | ok | 23:09 |
| lifeless | RenatoSilva: you can do that too, but its generally not needed, and for this case, thigns that plain patch won't handle would still be handled wrong by bzr patch - e.g. file adds would show up as parallel imports | 23:09 |
| lifeless | meoblast001: a small note if I may - you don't need to finish features to do commits in bzr; because you can have your own branch, you can make as many commits as you want while developing the feature. | 23:10 |
| meoblast001 | yeah i know | 23:10 |
| meoblast001 | just harder to make my own branch | 23:10 |
| meoblast001 | than to pastebin a diff and patch it | 23:11 |
| glyph | meoblast001: not really | 23:11 |
| glyph | you could pastebin the output of 'bzr send' | 23:11 |
| glyph | presumably if you can get the output of 'bzr diff', you already have a branch, it already has changes in it ;) | 23:12 |
| glyph | actually | 23:12 |
| lifeless | glyph: he may be working in a checkout | 23:12 |
| glyph | lifeless: still | 23:12 |
| lifeless | glyph: or there may be other factors | 23:12 |
| glyph | oh I didn't even see the earlier scrollback | 23:13 |
| glyph | meoblast001: one of the reasons I love bzr is exactly that case | 23:13 |
| glyph | moving code from my laptop to my desktop | 23:13 |
| glyph | I do it by doing 'bzr push bzr+ssh://my-desktop/home/me/mybranch' | 23:13 |
| Sheepherd | hi all... just trying to get the GUI working but i dont know where to "After this, you can start the GUI by typing olive-gtk" :/ | 23:15 |
| RenatoSilva | Sheepherd: OS? | 23:15 |
| Sheepherd | win xp 32bit | 23:15 |
| Sheepherd | sp 3 | 23:15 |
| RenatoSilva | Sheepherd: start > run | 23:16 |
| Sheepherd | thats all? | 23:16 |
| meoblast001 | ssh was the easiest way by far | 23:16 |
| RenatoSilva | Sheepherd: I'm not sure what's olive-gtk tough, but that's how I'd read the message. I just tried and didn't work here :P | 23:17 |
| RenatoSilva | Sheepherd: what are you doing, installing bazaar? | 23:18 |
| Sheepherd | RenatoSilva: followed every step here correctly: http://bazaar-vcs.org/WindowsInstall | 23:18 |
| Sheepherd | RenatoSilva: yea exactly | 23:18 |
| Sheepherd | RenatoSilva: olive-gtk comes from the 2nd last line of the site | 23:19 |
| RenatoSilva | Sheepherd: oh I had a bit of trouble setting up bzr on my win xp to. | 23:19 |
| RenatoSilva | Sheepherd: just forget all of this, undo everything. | 23:19 |
| RenatoSilva | Sheepherd: then use http://edge.launchpad.net/bzr/1.16/1.16/+download/bzr-setup-1.16-1.exe | 23:20 |
| Sheepherd | RenatoSilva: :/ | 23:20 |
| RenatoSilva | Sheepherd: next, nextm finish, and you're [almost] done | 23:20 |
| RenatoSilva | Sheepherd: this installer has an embedded python | 23:21 |
| Sheepherd | ya thats why i didnt use it | 23:21 |
| Sheepherd | cuz i already have python | 23:21 |
| RenatoSilva | well, I have python too, but I had some trouble setting it up separately | 23:23 |
| Sheepherd | RenatoSilva: hope this proceeds smoothly now ... | 23:24 |
| RenatoSilva | I read that page too, which is confusing imho, but I'm fine now after just installing the all-in-one | 23:24 |
| RenatoSilva | Sheepherd: what would you like bazaar for? launchpad by any chance? | 23:26 |
| Sheepherd | RenatoSilva: first time hearing about that. but someone from #python recommened some svcs or how those tools are called to get a good overview over changes made to my app | 23:27 |
| RenatoSilva | Sheepherd: never heard of vcs or dvcs? | 23:28 |
| Sheepherd | RenatoSilva: ok installed the whole thing... how do i access the gui now? | 23:28 |
| Sheepherd | RenatoSilva: yea dvcs... thats what i meant :) and i never heard about that until like 30mins | 23:29 |
| RenatoSilva | did you get the idea of dvcs? | 23:29 |
| Sheepherd | RenatoSilva: something to trace down changes made to a file? | 23:30 |
| RenatoSilva | Sheepherd: useful links... | 23:31 |
| RenatoSilva | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revision_control | 23:31 |
| RenatoSilva | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_revision_control | 23:31 |
| RenatoSilva | http://ianclatworthy.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/dvcs-why-and-how3.pdf | 23:32 |
| RenatoSilva | When you're done with the overview of vcs and dvcs, you can read the 5 minutes tutorial for Bazaar: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/mini-tutorial/index.html | 23:33 |
| RenatoSilva | and to learn more, the user guide: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/mini-tutorial/index.html | 23:34 |
| mwhudson | jelmer: does bzr-git 0.4.0 require a new dulwich? | 23:34 |
| Sheepherd | RenatoSilva: thx :) and where should all those lead me to? | 23:36 |
| Sheepherd | RenatoSilva: was bazaar the wrong choice for me? | 23:36 |
| lifeless | Sheepherd: bazaar is a fine choice for you; but you've just started to learn a new tool. VCS tools are not about inspecting your current code, they are about controlling it [and reporting] over time | 23:37 |
| Sheepherd | lifeless: k... hope ill get used to this new system soon | 23:39 |
| RenatoSilva | Sheepherd: have you even used any vcs tool before? | 23:39 |
| Sheepherd | RenatoSilva: nope, today is even the first day i heard about that | 23:40 |
| Sheepherd | first time* | 23:40 |
| Sheepherd | RenatoSilva: why are u asking? | 23:43 |
| lifeless | Sheepherd: it helps us understand the things you already know, so we don't tell you too little or too much | 23:43 |
| RenatoSilva | Sheepherd: humm, try having some time to read the links, in the order I mentioned. I think this can avoid many trouble | 23:43 |
| Sheepherd | k thx both of you :) | 23:43 |
| Sheepherd | gonna read them carefully tomorrow | 23:44 |
| RenatoSilva | :) | 23:44 |
| Sheepherd | should be sleeping already xD | 23:44 |
| Sheepherd | im off then... thx again and cya tomorrow maybe | 23:45 |
| RenatoSilva | bye | 23:46 |
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