[00:10] <jcastro> BUGabundo: yep
[00:10] <BUGabundo> jcastro: okay
[00:11] <BUGabundo> any rational for that now?
[00:12] <jcastro> the CC just liked it the way it was
[00:13] <BUGabundo> jcastro: but now with LP sending reminders for expiration?
[00:13] <jcastro> it's always done that
[00:16] <BUGabundo> ok jcastro. thanks for the update
[00:16] <BUGabundo> hey YoBoY
[00:16] <YoBoY> olà BUGabundo :) tudo bem?
[00:16] <YoBoY> hi
[00:16] <BUGabundo> td menino. how are things there?
[00:17] <YoBoY> missing time to make triage :]
[00:18] <BUGabundo> I bet
[00:18] <BUGabundo> not seeing you around as I used to
[00:18] <YoBoY> lol i am here all the day, but i don't talk ;)
[00:19] <BUGabundo> you mean your NICK is here all day
[00:19] <BUGabundo> eheh
[00:19] <YoBoY> true
[00:19] <YoBoY> :)
[02:21] <rendero> hi, should i open a bug because ubuntu does not have libmysqltcl ?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> !info mysqltcl
[02:23] <ubot4> Hobbsee: mysqltcl (source: mysqltcl): Interface to the MySQL database for the Tcl language. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.05-1 (jaunty), package size 37 kB, installed size 124 kB
[02:23] <Hobbsee> rendero: no.  ^
[02:24] <rendero> mmmh , but is that the same than libmysqltcl ?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> should be
[02:49] <rendero> Hobbsee, i installed libmsqltcl , but i do not have any new files in /usr/lib/tcl8.4 , i need to have something like this required for some script /usr/local/lib/tcl8.4/mysqltcl/libmysqltcl.so.2
[02:49] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:26] <jsmidt> could someone close bug #390127?  The person submitting the bug says it is not really a problem and he solved what was happening.  I would close it but it won't let me.
[04:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 390127 in network-manager-openvpn "Network Manager OpenVPN fails to connect" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390127
[04:59] <mrooney> jsmidt: in that case the correct status is Invalid which I believe you should be able to set
[05:18] <jsmidt> mrooney, thanks
[05:30] <mrooney> jsmidt: no problem :) when you do that though, a helpful comment is always good like "Thanks for the response, I'll close this report!"
[05:46] <jsmidt> There are a lot of packages linked to upstream without a watch file for any bug report.  Does linking upstream alone notify upstream, or should I go through these hundreds of packages and link to bug reports upstream that a bug watch can follow?
[05:50] <micahg> jsmidt: linking to upstream does not notify upstream
[05:51] <jsmidt> micahg, okay thanks
[05:51] <micahg> jsmidt: linking to upstream lets us know what the status is upstream
[05:53] <micahg> which allows us to focus on other bugs if upstream is handling it
[06:00] <jsmidt> micahg, how is upstream "handling it" if they don't know about it?  I'm not trying to cause problems, I'm just trying to figure out what good it does to link to upstream without telling upstream.
[06:01] <jsmidt> And if you told upstream, why isn't there a watch file?
[06:01] <micahg> jsmidt: are you referring to linking to upstream without a bug?
[06:01] <micahg> *upstream bug
[06:01] <micahg> there are 2 ways to link to upstream on LP
[06:02] <micahg> one is by just marking the bug as upstream without providing a bug number
[06:02] <micahg> that way, someone else needs to go in and find the upstream bug or report one themselves
[06:02] <micahg> the otehr way is to find the upstream bug in the upstream tracker
[06:02] <micahg> then the status of the upstream bug is updated in LP when it changed
[06:03] <micahg> *changes
[06:03] <jsmidt> I'll give you an example just to make sure we are communicating correctly. Bug #384489.  It has linked to upstream but I see no evidence that upstream was actually notified for there is no watch file.  I guess I am wondering if this has been done correctly or if I should notify upstream
[06:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 384489 in openoffice.org "[upstream] Mathtype Equations give 'General Error'" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/384489
[06:04] <micahg> jsmidt: you are correct
[06:04] <micahg> upstream has not been notified
[06:04] <jsmidt> micahg, okay, that's good to know.
[06:04] <micahg> that is a note to the rest of bugsquad that someone needs to go upstream and either find the bug or open a report
[06:05] <jsmidt> Okay, this has been very helpful for me
[06:05] <micahg> so, if you have the time to find the upstream bug, we'd appreciate it
[06:06] <micahg> also, please note the LP bug # or link to it in the upstream bug
[06:06] <micahg> in case upstream needs more info
[06:06] <micahg> and always feel free to ask if you don't know something
[06:07] <jsmidt> Okay, thanks you have been very helpful
[06:07] <micahg> no problem
[11:36] <marcooliva> Here i fill a bug to license problems in Universe ?
[11:36] <marcooliva> *Where
[13:05] <Laney> what updates my .signature with 5-a-day stuff?
[14:29] <darthanubis> I think I solved a bug?
[14:29] <darthanubis> How can I get the status of it changed?
[14:36] <BUGabundo> boas tardes!
[16:33] <BUGabundo> jcastro: ping . been reading your blog on upstraming bugs
[16:33] <BUGabundo> I've had a few probs in the past with some upstreams not enjoying at all most of the data from apport
[16:34] <BUGabundo> plus, what's attached to LP, its not always easy to place on the upstream BTS
[16:35] <BUGabundo> but of course, those are usually upstreams who tend to think that ubuntu is _bad_ for what ever reason, so any user who mentions it, is automaticly discared
[17:56] <stoatwblr> Hi guys. Got a basic dumb programming issue across a number of packages to discuss.
[17:57] <BUGabundo> !question | stoatwblr
[17:57] <ubot4> stoatwblr: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[17:58] <stoatwblr> heh, ok bugs.
[17:58] <BUGabundo> anyone knows if apport-collect is cli only? can't recall last time I used it
[17:58] <stoatwblr> A lot of programs are rewriting config files in place without making backups. There's a window of vulnerability to file truncation/corruption if there's a system crash
[17:58] <BUGabundo> yeah know prob
[17:59] <BUGabundo> specialy on ext4 and xfs
[17:59] <stoatwblr> exactly.
[17:59] <stoatwblr> I complained baout it to amule devs and got roundly flamed for suggesting they not do that.
[17:59] <BUGabundo> there has been some work from tso to fix that on ext4
[17:59] <stoatwblr> switching to full journalling helps, but it's bad programming int he first place. The problem is arrogant kids in bedrooms thing they know bes.
[18:00] <BUGabundo> and some ppl even mention it could easilly be done by changing the underlying libs
[18:00] <BUGabundo> well the entire KDEPIM has that trouble
[18:00] <stoatwblr> it won't help when bozo programmer opens/edits a file in place instead of writing a new ones and renaming it into place, as well as making a backup.
[18:00] <BUGabundo> each time a get a system crash I loose all my kmail conf
[18:00] <BUGabundo> lucklly I run it on bzr....
[18:00] <stoatwblr> Yeah.... KDE.... kids in bedrooms...
[18:01] <BUGabundo> saved me several several TIMES
[18:01] <BUGabundo> come on! don't be bad!
[18:01] <BUGabundo> they are a great team
[18:01] <stoatwblr> tihs stuff is programming 101. I'd be fired from my dayjob is I wrote out config files like that.
[18:01] <BUGabundo> I had the pleasure of hosting an event for Tokamak last year
[18:01] <BUGabundo> again, it's a dev prob, or changing libs to do that
[18:02] <BUGabundo> the 2nd one is overkill
[18:02] <stoatwblr> I agree and changing libvs won't fix it. As I said it's programming 101. The Devs who do it need to get educated.
[18:03] <stoatwblr> it says a lot that some of them resort to flaming instead of dealing with things properly
[18:04] <stoatwblr> the issue needs some public airing. A lot of younger programmers aren't aware of the issues around race conditions and the older ones should know better.
[18:04] <BUGabundo> if all the discussion around ext4 didn't make ppl change their ways, its not you who gonna make it, right?
[18:05] <stoatwblr> I do things the right way, always have in my code. It's been a fight sometimes to stop people ripping the safe way out and replacing it with the quick way
[18:06] <BUGabundo> eheh
[18:06] <BUGabundo> blog it, harden your backs, emails the Dev lists, go to HackLabs, go to dev Meetings
[18:06] <BUGabundo> make it a life cruzade!
[18:06] <stoatwblr> imaging a 100message/second sendmail installation refusing all mail "no such user" every time there's a userlist update. I've seen that happen.
[18:07] <stoatwblr> hah, I already have enough on my plate with spammers. Gotta keep the dayjob running too.
[18:08] <stoatwblr> FWIW, I believe the fastest way to sort this mess out is for the distro authors to set some policies.
[18:10] <BUGabundo> true
[18:11] <BUGabundo> please email ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-devel-discuss MLs and be ready for a mud slud!
[18:11] <BUGabundo> also read Tso blog about this changes on ext4
[18:11] <BUGabundo> lots of this has already been discussed there
[18:13] <stoatwblr> Teho has a way of attracting flamers even though he's right 99% of the time.
[18:17] <stoatwblr> the worst offender for this is amule btw, mainly because it's constantly rewriting its config file.
[18:17] <BUGabundo> yah
[18:18] <BUGabundo> gonna eat something brb
[18:30] <mrooney> bdmurray: importances are still based on Ubuntu right, not within the scope of the project it is against? I remember there was talk about doing it per package but wasn't sure if that went anywhere
[19:04] <BUGabundo> jcastro: got a minute?
[19:08] <jcastro> yo
[19:08] <jcastro> hurry though, I have to leave soon
[19:09] <BUGabundo> np
[19:09] <BUGabundo> just trying to get the other side
[19:09] <BUGabundo> of is happening with you and slackusr
[19:09] <BUGabundo> from identica
[19:09] <BUGabundo> he says you were rude to him
[19:09] <BUGabundo> since I never saw you act like that,
[19:09] <BUGabundo> I would like to know the other side of the story
[19:10] <jcastro> oh that anti-gnome guy? I wasn't rude to him, I just don't have time to deal with him
[19:11] <BUGabundo> all he said to me, was about mono
[19:11] <jcastro> haha
[19:12] <BUGabundo> and since you are a Community Front guy, there's no interess in seeing you make pseudo enemies, right jcastro?
[19:13] <jcastro> dude I don't know what you're getting at
[19:13] <jcastro> some dude doesn't like mono and ubuntu there's not much I can do about it
[19:13] <micahg> probably a microsoft drone
[19:14] <BUGabundo> he's actually an Ubuntu member
[19:14] <BUGabundo> and an active user on his locoteam
[19:15] <BUGabundo> and is subscribed to the !ubuntu group on identica
[19:16] <hggdh> BUGabundo, do you have a thread I can look at?
[19:16] <BUGabundo> errr
[19:16] <BUGabundo> hggdh: its µblogging
[19:16] <BUGabundo> you can see both mine and his profiles dough
[19:16] <BUGabundo> when laconica 0.8 comes out it will have threads
[19:16] <BUGabundo> currently there's not much other then the reply to links
[19:17] <jcastro> https://edge.launchpad.net/~alvaro-carroz
[19:17] <jcastro> this guy?
[19:17] <jcastro> doesn't seem to be a member to me
[19:17] <BUGabundo> yes
[19:18] <hggdh> jcastro, +1 ;-)
[19:19] <BUGabundo> errr wrong words
[19:19] <BUGabundo> I meant to say Ubuntu user
[19:19]  * BUGabundo slaps himself
[19:19] <micahg> What's the gui way to get video card info?
[19:21] <BUGabundo> micahg: sysinfo
[19:21] <micahg> How do you get to sysinfo?
[19:22] <BUGabundo> apt-get install ?
[19:22] <micahg> no, I'm trying to help a user that doesn't understand the terminal
[19:23] <micahg> Is there anything preinstalled like Windows' Device Manager that's GUI?
[19:24] <change> i want to contribute to ubuntu so from where i have to download packages i tries freshmeat.com but i don't think it is related to ubuntu
[19:25] <bencrisford> micahg: Why not just synaptic sysinfo?
[19:26] <BUGabundo> micahg: Add/remove, search sysingo
[19:26] <BUGabundo> *sysinfo
[19:26] <BUGabundo> DUH
[19:26] <BUGabundo> :P
[19:26] <micahg> ok
[19:27] <BUGabundo> I only said apt 'cause I though it was for you !
[19:27] <micahg> I was just wondering if there was a preinstalled option
[19:27] <micahg> ok
[19:27] <BUGabundo> new users I recommend add/remove
[19:27] <BUGabundo> no
[19:27] <micahg> I"ll have him install sysinfo
[19:27] <bencrisford> micahg: Id say there prolly is some way of finding it
[19:27] <BUGabundo> check the proper package name
[19:27] <BUGabundo> I'm talking from head
[19:27] <BUGabundo> hey bencrisford
[19:27] <bencrisford> hey
[19:27] <BUGabundo> how did you meeting go?
[19:28] <BUGabundo> got approved too?
[19:28] <bencrisford> not well :P
[19:28] <BUGabundo> no ?
[19:28] <bencrisford> nah, wasnt too bad though
[19:28] <bencrisford> i didnt get -1s
[19:28] <bencrisford> just +0s :(
[19:28] <BUGabundo> I change. what's your prob?
[19:28] <BUGabundo> ahh
[19:28] <BUGabundo> why was that?
[19:28] <BUGabundo> too new ?
[19:29] <bencrisford> sorta..  its just, i have contributions in loads of different areas
[19:29] <bencrisford> and they'd wanna see a more sustained contribution in one area
[19:31] <BUGabundo> really?
[19:31] <BUGabundo> that's a surprise
[21:43] <Adri2000> bdmurray: did you speak to the appropriate people about the samba sru?
[22:46] <hggdh> ALL: eeebotu (#ubuntu-bugs-announce) will be offline for about 2 hours for a move.
[22:49] <BUGabundo> hggdh: another?
[22:50] <BUGabundo> got AC back?
[23:55] <pace_t_zulu> anyone know if ubuntu changes firefox's default font?