[01:05] <meoblast001> hi
[01:05] <meoblast001> why is the Sun JRE even in the repos?
[01:06] <meoblast001> it has absolutely no practical advantage over the OpenJDK-JRE
[01:06] <zhurai> because some people prefer sun's one?
[01:06] <meoblast001> yeah... aparently frostwire does too
[01:06] <meoblast001> and made it a recommended dependency, so now my system is installing this useless package
[01:11] <meoblast001> found a bug in the Sun JRE
[01:11] <meoblast001> if you don't agree to the license it keeps asking you again
[01:11] <meoblast001> and starts giving crash reports
[01:15] <directhex> meoblast001, here's a reason: icedtea is broken by design, so you need proprietary java to use applets without killing your browser
[01:15] <meoblast001> what do you mean?
[01:16] <directhex> java applets on web pages?
[01:16] <meoblast001> i mean... broken by design?
[01:16] <meoblast001> you mean like www.defectivebydesign.org ?
[01:16] <directhex> doesn't even remotely work
[01:16] <meoblast001> i find it to work
[01:16] <meoblast001> i think
[01:16] <meoblast001> well.. not Icedtea... never tried it
[01:16] <meoblast001> but OpenJDK-JRE
[01:17] <meoblast001> and why would it be defective by design?
[01:17] <directhex> sigh.
[01:17] <meoblast001> it's free software... fork it
[01:17] <meoblast001> design it better
[01:17] <directhex> i have zero interest in java plugins from a developer standpoint. as a user, i occasionally need to use them
[01:17] <meoblast001> directhex: are you trying to say that Sun purposely f***ed it up?
[01:17] <directhex> i'm saying openjdk doesn't include the plugin component found in sun java
[01:18] <directhex> and that icedtea is a poor stand-in
[01:18] <meoblast001> lol
[01:19] <meoblast001> maybe i should get gNewSense
[02:22] <rendero> hello, i need the package libmysqltcl
[02:23] <rendero> do i have to compile from source ?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> rendero: it's already in the archives as mysqltcl.  I already answererd you in -bugs
[02:24] <rendero> ok thx i will check
[05:47] <ripps> Can someone please fix python-gnome2-extras in Karmic? I think the problem has to do with python-gdl.
[07:44] <ripps> So, nobody knows what's going on with python-gnome2-extras in Karmic?
[07:48] <lifeless> ripps: all I know is that you've asked twice here
[09:10] <mrooney> lifeless: isn't okay to ask questions multiple times with an appropriate waiting period in between if no one answers?
[09:30] <lifeless> TheMuso: so, dmraid
[09:30] <lifeless> mrooney: Did I say it wasn't?
[10:32] <mrooney> lifeless: I don't know, it seemed like a pretty negative response
[10:37] <lifeless> mrooney: it was all the data I had. I figured that was better than no response at all.
[10:37] <mrooney> lifeless: haha, fair enough
[10:37] <mrooney> good night!
[13:39] <pmatulis> what is up with the string 'really' in some package names (ex: 5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu10)?
[13:40] <ion_> It’s really 5.0.75
[13:40] <pmatulis> ok, but why the weird naming convention?
[13:40] <ion_> See the package’s changelog.
[13:41] <pmatulis> ok
[13:55] <loof> question for anyone who's awake
[13:56] <loof> why hasn't ubuntu added an option to turn on/off a keypress that would run xkill?
[13:56] <loof> like say kde or xfce does?
[13:56] <loof> having to download xbindkeys to do it kinda sucks when it should be in the default wm
[13:57] <loof> and most users don't even know they can do that
[15:29] <torkiano> Hello, Can I edit this blueprint: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-gnome-3 ?
[15:30] <torkiano> I'd like to add this link: http://www.gnome.org/~fpeters/299.html . I think that would be very useful to see the progress to Gnome 3
[15:54] <torkiano> pitti, ping
[16:20] <mdz> hey, that worked (switched to grub 2)
[16:28] <geser> is an archive admin around (or someone else) who could me advise on versioning I should use when fixing bug 384515? what version should I use for the new .orig.tar.gz (as I also need to remove the problematic files from the source package) and not make a new upload from Debian unsyncable due to bad versioning
[16:29] <StevenK> geser: appending +dfsg to the upstream version is the usual method
[16:30] <geser> StevenK: I know but wouldn't that make the package unsyncable from Debian if Debian uses a different +dfsg.orig.tar.gz? which I want to avoid if possible
[16:31] <geser> I was thinking about using +~dfsg-0ubuntu1 for the new upload
[16:31] <StevenK> geser: Yes, it would.
[16:31] <geser> so we could use Debian's .orig.tar.gz when it's fixed there
[16:32] <StevenK> In which case, you need to fix it, *and* choose a version that is less than Debian's new one
[16:33] <geser> yes, therefore the +~dfsg which is less than +dfsg (hope Debian will use this suffix}
[16:34] <geser> but perhaps there is a better solution to that
[16:36] <StevenK> +arepack or so
[16:36] <StevenK> Something that sorts less than dfsg
[16:37] <geser> and another question for this bug: what about the version in hardy,intrepid and jaunty? I've found a patch from Fedora to build it with a packaged libitext-java but the packages and versions which this patch is for are only available in karmic
[16:37] <geser> I guess the only solution would be to remove that package from those releases (it's that even possible?)
[16:39] <StevenK> I seriously doubt that.
[16:42] <geser> so how to solve this for the released releases? if I'm correct that is an issue there
[16:43] <StevenK> I'm not certain. Repack it there too? But that doesn't fix it for the packages already in the released archive
[16:54] <geser> thanks. do you know whom I should ask how to fix it for the released archive? just ask again tomorrow when more people are here?
[17:01] <Laney> Is there precedent for modifying the archive (as opposed to -updates) once a release is made? :O
[18:54] <napsy_> hum
[18:54] <napsy_> just installed empathy 2.27.3
[18:54] <napsy_> damn it rox
[19:00] <tgpraveen> napsy_: how did you install ? compile from source?
[19:00] <napsy_> yes
[19:00] <napsy_> the adium themes are awesome
[19:00] <tgpraveen> napsy_: you on jaunty?
[19:00] <napsy_> yup
[19:00] <tgpraveen> napsy_: could you give me instructions to compile from source
[19:01] <tgpraveen> I haven't done it before
[19:01] <napsy_> you just download the latest source and get the dependencies
[19:01] <napsy_> then you run ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-webkit=yes && make && sudo make install
[19:01] <tgpraveen> napsy_: download the latest tarball?
[19:01] <napsy_> and there you have it
[19:02] <napsy_> yes
[19:02] <tgpraveen> napsy_: how do I know which all are the dependencies?
[19:03] <napsy_> well I installed every component that the configure script told me was missing
[19:03] <tgpraveen> napsy_: also do you have the libchamplin required for the geolocation features?
[19:03] <napsy_> until configure finished successfuly
[19:03] <napsy_> I didn't try geolocation
[19:04] <napsy_> I'm not quite sure how geolocation should work without a location source
[19:04] <napsy_> e.g. gps or phone
[19:09] <tgpraveen> napsy_: it will use your wifi connection or your ip address etc
[19:09] <tgpraveen> I know there are many sources supported
[19:09] <tgpraveen> ask on #telepathy
[19:09] <napsy_> hm that can be true
[19:26] <geser> why not use the empathy from the telepathy PPA? that way you don't need to compile, get package updates and can also easily remove it
[19:28] <tgpraveen> geser: ppa is behind
[19:28] <tgpraveen> still on 2.27.2
[19:28] <tgpraveen> which is VERY buggy
[19:28] <tgpraveen> .3 fixed a lot of stuff and added a few nice features
[19:28] <tgpraveen> like adium themes, geolocation
[20:13] <torkiano> hello, is it possible to have a PPA with bonobo free evolution packages (fedora already has a repo). more info here: http://mbarnes.livejournal.com/3002.html
[20:14] <torkiano> Gnome 3.0 transition is more easy with that packages ;)
[21:41] <dlec> hi
[21:42] <dlec> whats the noteable differences in the new ubuntu
[21:42] <dlec> ive got the new kernel and all
[21:42] <dlec> dont see anything visibly different
[21:42] <dlec> not even ff3.5
[21:46] <dlec> anyone awake
[21:46] <highvoltage> no
[21:47] <dlec> erm
[21:47] <highvoltage> dlec: well, karmic isn't even 25% done yet (thumbsucking a number)
[21:47] <highvoltage> dlec: it will be a few months until you can see some bigger changes in karmic vs jaunty
[21:47] <dlec> ohh
[21:48] <highvoltage> dlec: although I've seen quite a few smaller things so far because of the newer versions of the newer software installed
[21:48] <dlec> i see
[21:48] <dlec> so then my updating was a waste? :/
[21:48] <highvoltage> dlec: for example, my intel graphics is notably faster, transmission has lots of little improvements, and gnome has a big bunch of bug fixes
[21:49] <dlec> highvoltage i just moved to jaunty.
[21:49] <highvoltage> dlec: aaah
[21:49] <dlec> i guess i'll stay 2 months behind
[21:49] <highvoltage> dlec: well, in that case, check the release notes and the release announcement
[21:50] <dlec> it'd be no fun if everyone patched their shit immediately.
[21:50] <dlec> :P
[21:50] <highvoltage> dlec: it should tell you everything you need to know. in my opinion Jaunty wasn't the most exciting release ever though
[21:50] <dlec> why though
[21:50] <dlec> im only concerned about security and kernel stuff
[21:50] <dlec> as far as those are concerned how well does jaunty do
[21:51] <highvoltage> dlec: pretty much as good as any other ubuntu release so far. the jaunty kernel doesn't play well with Intel graphics drivers though, which is the only problem I've had with it personally
[21:51] <dlec> are you an ubuntu dev
[21:51] <dlec> ohh
[21:51] <highvoltage> dlec: besides that it's a very solid release, many are calling it their favourite release
[21:52] <dlec> thats not good is it
[21:52] <highvoltage> dlec: nope, not yet anyway
[21:52] <dlec> what are the common issues
[21:52] <dlec> if any
[21:52] <dlec> with intel drivers
[21:52] <dlec> so i install a generic kernel?
[21:52] <dlec> is that what jaunty recommends?
[21:53] <dlec> i just installed the new kernel
[21:53] <highvoltage> if you install a desktop machine, yes
[21:53] <highvoltage> -generic is good.
[21:54] <dlec> i have some sort of nvidia joint
[21:54] <dlec> and it is -generic as of now
[21:54] <dlec> 2.6.28-13-generic
[21:54] <dlec> ok im good to go then
[21:56] <highvoltage> yep
[21:56] <dlec> thx!
[21:57] <highvoltage> you're welcome
[22:15] <ScottK> Any other archive admin around who's up for some weekend clamav backport fun?