[05:01] <MTecknology> What is a sprint?
[05:04] <nhandler> MTecknology: The only place I've really seen sprints used on LP is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+sprints, where they are used primarily for UDS (and a few other Ubuntu conferences)
[05:06] <MTecknology> nhandler: oh, thanks
[05:46] <MTecknology> Isn't it possible to link a blueprint to a blueprint in another project?
[05:46] <MTecknology> I have one project that depends on another..
[05:47] <MTecknology> found a bug for it
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[08:19] <LCID_Fire> Morning
[08:20] <jtv> LCID_Fire: morning
[08:20] <LCID_Fire> How does one remove all the source packages uploaded to a certain ppa?
[08:20] <LCID_Fire> I found I can only remove the latest one
[08:22] <noodles775> LCID_Fire: isn't that because the others have been superseded?
[08:22] <LCID_Fire> noodles775: sure - but if I delete the latest one - the one before should become the latest
[08:24] <noodles775> LCID_Fire: ah I see... Although it *should*, I don't think it does become 'unsuperseded', but I'm not certain.
[08:24] <LCID_Fire> noodles775: That's exactly my problem
[08:25] <LCID_Fire> noodles775: the way it currently "works" you cannot get rid of all the versions
[08:25] <noodles775> LCID_Fire: I don't understand why you need to get rid of them - if they are superseded they should not be installable via your PPA right?
[08:26] <noodles775> (sorry if I'm missing something obvious!)
[08:26] <LCID_Fire> noodles775: I was testing some setup stuff and I have now the definite package - the others are more or less garbage
[08:28] <noodles775> LCID_Fire: Sure, but hopefully it's just garbage that has all been superseded by your new version - the definite package - that you upload?
[08:28] <noodles775> Or were you wanting to re-use the same version number...
[08:28] <LCID_Fire> noodles775: yeah - but it needs space - and I like my stuff tidy :)
[08:32] <noodles775> LCID_Fire: Ah ok. Hmm...
[08:35] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: What do you mean "it needs space"?
[08:35] <noodles775> LCID_Fire: OK, as far as I can see, when visiting the delete packages page, and filtering by status=Superseded, the superseded packages are not displayed...
[08:36] <LCID_Fire> wgrant: It increases the disk usage of my ppa
[08:36] <noodles775> Not sure if that's a UI bug (that superseded is an option) or a functionality bug (that they're not displayed)
[08:36] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: No, it doesn't.
[08:36] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: Superseded packages will be removed from your PPA after 24 hours, at which point they will no longer count toward your quota.
[08:36] <wgrant> You can get rid of them within an hour by deleting them explicitly.
[08:37] <LCID_Fire> wgrant: I can't - that's my problem
[08:37] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: Why not?
[08:37] <wgrant> And why not just wait?
[08:37] <LCID_Fire> wgrant: are you sure about the 24 hourse?
[08:37] <LCID_Fire> -e
[08:38] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: It's something around that figure.
[08:38] <jml> james_w, ping
[08:38] <LCID_Fire> wgrant: ok, I'll then try waiting - but it would be better if ordinary deleting the package would work
[08:39] <jtv> LCID_Fire, wgrant: I'm asking someone to check.
[08:40] <LCID_Fire> jtv: great :)
[08:40] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: You can do an explicit delete, can't you?
[08:40] <LCID_Fire> wgrant: only the latest - then no more
[08:41] <wgrant> LCID_Fire: Checked the filter?
[08:41] <LCID_Fire> yep
[08:41] <wgrant> I know it used to work. Let me try again now.
[08:42] <cprov1> LCID_Fire: give some directions, what you are trying to do ?
[08:42] <cprov1> and why ?
[08:42] <wgrant> Huh.
[08:42] <wgrant> The deleted packages page doesn't show Superseded sources.
[08:42] <wgrant> But it does show Deleted.
[08:43] <LCID_Fire> cprov1: I'm trying to delete some test source packages in my ppa - to start with the definite package
[08:43] <LCID_Fire> wgrant: it's somewhat strange, yes :)
[08:43] <cprov1> wgrant: +delete-packages only shows publishing records which still having files on disk.
[08:43] <wgrant> cprov1: I know.
[08:44] <wgrant> cprov1: But these do.
[08:44] <wgrant> But they're not shown.
[08:44] <cprov1> wgrant: otherwise no point in "deleting"
[08:44] <wgrant> They've had removal requested, but they haven't actually been killed yet.
[08:45] <cprov> wgrant: what source/ppa ? let me check.
[08:45] <wgrant> cprov: wgrant/ppa, xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[08:46] <wgrant> I uploaded a new one about an hour ago.
[08:48] <cprov> wgrant: right, the 2 latest superseded version have their removal scheduled, however they should be also presented in +deleted-packages (which I can't see)
[08:48] <cprov> wgrant: but you say they are not, right ?
[08:49] <wgrant> cprov: Correct.
[08:50] <wgrant> I can see Hardy's Deleted libhdf4 - 4.2r3-3~wgrant1~8.04 there, but it is published in other series, so won't have a requested removal date.
[08:56] <cprov> wgrant: there is probably an inconsistent clause on the 'deletable-packages' lookup
[08:56] <wgrant> cprov: I would check myself, if it were a month from today, but...
[08:57] <cprov> wgrant: it use to be 'Pending/Publishing sources or sources with PublishedBinaries'
[08:57] <cprov> wgrant: then the extra source publishing status filter was added on top of that.
[08:58] <noodles775> cprov: you can verify it on the soyuz team ppa... (filter by superseded on the main ppa page and you'll see them, but not on the delete-packages page)
[08:58] <cprov> noodles775: I can also read the code :)
[08:59] <noodles775> cprov: actually, not true... I forgot that those superseded packages have been deleted :)
[08:59] <noodles775> yes, that too.
[08:59] <cprov> noodles775: take a look, please, maybe I'm imagining things.
[09:00] <cprov> wgrant, LCID_Fire: please file a bug about it, once the release time is gone I will be more than happy to tackle it.
[09:00] <jml> james_w, actually, I think I'm going to sign off. I commented on the setBranch() bug 387554, and changed the state of one of the package branches. Please double check that I didn't do anything stupid.
[09:04] <MTecknology> I requested feedback from somebody on a blueprint and they sent me feedback but now their feedback request is gone and I see nothing about what they wrote..
[09:10] <jtv> MTecknology: looking for someone who can answer that.
[09:12] <MTecknology> jtv: thanks
[09:12] <jtv> MTecknology: hmm... looks like all good candidates are in American timezones.  Would it be convenient for you to wait until they wake up?
[09:13] <MTecknology> lol... I'm in -6 :P
[09:13] <MTecknology> those crazy people that sleep
[09:13] <jtv> MTecknology: greetings from +7 :)
[09:13] <MTecknology> ya, I can ask again when I wake up :)
[09:14] <jtv> MTecknology: thanks.
[09:14] <MTecknology> :)
[09:14] <MTecknology> I'm sure it's supposed to happen, just curious why :P
[09:14] <MTecknology> found an LP but too
[09:16] <MTecknology> that's two lp bugs found. Hurray for my ability to spot the near meaningless
[10:44] <ogra> is there an easy way to rename a project noawadays ? i cant find a button or anything to do that ...
[10:44] <ogra> (or do i have to file a ticket/question/bug or something)
[10:45] <jtv> ogra: you file a question.
[10:46] <jtv> ogra: I think... lemme check.
[10:46] <jtv> (This is not something I do regularly :)
[10:46] <jtv> ogra: you don't mean any of the stuff you can change under "Change details" on the project's front page?
[10:47] <ogra> jtv, no, i mean the project url
[10:48] <ogra> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm-roofs-builder/+question/74975
[10:49] <jtv> ogra: I'll move that question over to launchpad itself, hang on.
[10:49] <ogra> thanks a lot :)
[10:50] <jtv> ogra: no worries, I'll ask someone to do it.
[10:50] <ogra> thanks a lot ... again :)
[10:50] <jtv> np
[15:12] <bac> hi jtv.  are you CHR today?
[15:12] <jtv> bac: just closed shop.
[15:12] <bac> or have you already done it?
[15:12] <bac> ah, cool
[15:12] <jtv> bac: anything urgent?
[15:12]  * bac never can figure out your hours...
[15:12] <bac> jtv:  nope
[15:12] <jtv> bac: always nice to hear that.  :-)  Just composing handover email.
[15:35] <kgoetz> hi all. How do I unmark a bug as a duplicate?
[15:35] <beuno> kgoetz, just remove the number from the form and save
[15:36] <kgoetz> "the form"?
[15:36] <beuno> kgoetz, "mark bug as duplicate"
[15:37] <kgoetz> oooh, the yellow thing
[15:38] <kgoetz> didnt know that opened a form.
[15:38] <kgoetz> beuno, thanks!
[15:43] <kgoetz> probably a silly question, but: can I download a list of bugs (including comments) for a particular package?
[15:44] <kgoetz> (ala 'mbox folder' in the debian bts)
[15:47] <beuno> kgoetz, not currently, no
[15:47] <beuno> but there has been discussions on being able to do that with bzr at some point
[15:47] <kgoetz> ok. gess i'll have to make a list manually
[15:47] <kgoetz> thanks again
[15:48] <beuno> kgoetz, you could use the API to get them
[15:48] <beuno> iterate over the list and save into whatever format you'd like
[15:48] <kgoetz> beuno, unfortunately I'm not a useful coder - its still very much a todo item.
[15:48] <beuno> kgoetz, ah, I see
[15:49] <beuno> well, hopefully someone will write something like that soon, and it'll just be a script
[15:50] <kgoetz> beuno, indeed. i assume theres a page on LP with the API documented?
[15:51] <beuno> kgoetz, yeap: https://help.launchpad.net/API/
[15:52] <kgoetz> beuno, thanks. I'll see if I can con someone into it ;)
[15:52] <beuno> kgoetz, good luck!
[15:52] <kgoetz> ta :)
[16:19] <kgoetz> sigh. launchpad really is a product of the 'net. even the [api]docos all html :(
[16:20] <\sh> leonardr: re: bug #387297 if you find a sane solution, just ping me or thekorn so we don't reinvent the wheel again ;)
[16:21] <leonardr> \sh: i'm working on it today
[16:21] <\sh> leonardr: rocking :) thx :)
[16:21] <leonardr> there is no sane solution but hopefully we can give you some code to use
[16:22] <\sh> leonardr: that would be great :) my python snippet is just meant to be a workaround for ui clients ...
[19:59] <MTecknology> I requested feedback from somebody on a blueprint and they sent me feedback but now their feedback request is gone and I see nothing about what they wrote..
[20:25] <eagle00789> it has been more then 72 hours but my .pot file for translation still hasn't been approved. when can i expect to get it approved...
[20:44] <eagle00789> in about an hour it has been 96 hours that i'm waiting for my translation template to get approved....
[20:45] <beuno> eagle00789, I'm sorry about that
[20:45] <beuno> it's release week, so it's kind of hectic
[20:46] <beuno> did you request that on Friday?
[20:46] <eagle00789> thursday
[20:46] <MTecknology> beuno: you have any idea what's up w/ the blueprints?
[20:46] <eagle00789> nope
[20:47] <eagle00789> sorry, wrong channel for the last coment
[20:47] <beuno> MTecknology, about what exactly?
[20:47] <MTecknology> I requested feedback from somebody on a blueprint and they sent me feedback but now their feedback request is gone and I see nothing about what they wrote..
[20:48] <beuno> MTecknology, that is not expected at all
[20:49] <eagle00789> beuno: i requested that on Thursday the 18th
[20:49] <beuno> eagle00789, I'll try and get someone to look at it tomorrow
[20:50] <eagle00789> darned...
[20:50] <beuno> eagle00789, they've all left by now
[20:51] <beuno> they're all in European time zones
[20:51] <eagle00789> double darned... another day my project has to ait
[20:51] <eagle00789> ait=wait
[20:51] <beuno> kfogel, are you around?
[20:52] <beuno> can we do something about translations being so clogged?
[20:52] <LaPingvino> it's just getting night here in europe...
[20:53] <beuno> LaPingvino, right, developers do work hours
[20:53] <beuno> so they left about 3-4 hours ago
[20:53] <LaPingvino> ah like that
[20:53] <LaPingvino> :(
[20:53] <kfogel> beuno: yes
[20:54] <LaPingvino> well I'm not one of them
[20:54] <kfogel> beuno: translations clogged?
[20:54] <LaPingvino> I'm an ICT-student
[20:54] <LaPingvino> and polyglot
[20:54] <LaPingvino> from the netherlands
[20:54] <eagle00789> polyglot?? what is that if i may ask??
[20:55] <eagle00789> (p.s. i'm also from the netherlands :D )
[20:55] <beuno> kfogel, yes, it's very frequent for translations to be stuck for approval 3-4 days
[20:55] <beuno> or more
[20:55] <LaPingvino> a polyglot is someone speaking more languages... most people use it on the scale bilingual-trilingual-polygloy
[20:55] <LaPingvino> polyglot
[20:56] <LaPingvino> any notable polyglot goes over 5 languages...
[20:56] <LaPingvino> I'm at 9
[20:56] <eagle00789> LOL. WOW
[20:56] <eagle00789> i'll take my hat off for that LaPingvino
[20:57] <kfogel> beuno: are we solely responsible for approving those, or is it "the community"?
[20:57] <LaPingvino> it's not that hard
[20:57] <beuno> kfogel, AFAIK, us
[20:59] <kfogel> beuno: oh.  That's kind of surprising.  So "us" is who specifically?  (That is, where do the translation approval requests go?  Apparently not to feedback@...)
[20:59] <beuno> kfogel, it's translation people, maybe we all have permissions, but no real idea what the criteria to approve is
[21:00] <MTecknology> beuno: there's also no email being generated from blueprints.. I remember when I was working with them last that every little thing was a new email message
[21:00] <eagle00789> LaPingvino: if you say it's not hard, i believe you. i'm only tri-lingual.
[21:00] <LaPingvino> hehe :)
[21:00] <LaPingvino> NL, EN, DE?
[21:00] <kfogel> beuno: yeah, this doesn't seem scalable at first glance... Okay.  How did you see the queue?  I'd like to look at it before raising a thread.
[21:00] <eagle00789> yep
[21:00] <eagle00789> but that also has to do because i live near the tri-border :D
[21:01] <beuno> kfogel, we get people complaining here about it several times a week
[21:01] <eagle00789> i also know a little bit of french
[21:01] <eagle00789> but not enough to get people to understand what i say :P
[21:01] <LaPingvino> hehe :)
[21:02] <LaPingvino> je le parle un peu plus que un nivel de seul comprehension...
[21:02] <LaPingvino> mais aussi pire que je voulais...
[21:02] <kfogel> beuno: IOW, there's no visible queue, but we know from complaints what the lag is?
[21:03] <eagle00789> alors que c'est drôle
[21:03] <eagle00789> but lets keep it to english shall we :D
[21:03] <LaPingvino> sure :)
[21:04] <LaPingvino> last gains are spanish and portuguese, guess you can't make a lot out of them....
[21:04] <eagle00789> indeed not
[21:04] <beuno> kfogel, I know that it's normal for people to wait 3-4 working days
[21:04] <LaPingvino> and verbs are even harder than in french
[21:05] <LaPingvino> in french, 25 forms estimately...
[21:05] <LaPingvino> in spanish 50
[21:05] <eagle00789> LOL. way to much
[21:05] <LaPingvino> in portuguese 64
[21:05] <beuno> LaPingvino, eagle00789, could we reduce the off topic?
[21:05] <LaPingvino> sorry :(
[21:05] <beuno> it's hard to get things fixed  :)
[21:05] <eagle00789> sorry
[21:05] <beuno> no worries
[21:05] <kfogel> beuno: I understand.  The issue isn't believing you -- I definitely believe you.  I just want to know what automated sources of information are available.  If it's all anecdotal, that's fine too; just want to have as much info in hand before posting as I can.
[21:05] <beuno> kfogel, I don't know if we store that information
[21:06] <beuno> danilo should
[21:06] <beuno> (my guess is we don't)
[21:06] <LaPingvino> well it's about translation that problem? I'm administrating a translation team
[21:06] <LaPingvino> I don't get it completely...
[21:06] <beuno> LaPingvino, it's a techinical issue, really
[21:07] <eagle00789> just so i know, why aren't the translations approved automaticly
[21:08] <beuno> eagle00789, there's a reason, which I can never retain
[21:08] <eagle00789> lol
[21:08] <beuno> something about bad things happening in chain
[21:08] <beuno> in certain circumstances
[21:08] <eagle00789> ok
[21:23] <kfogel> beuno: okay, thanks.  Will raise this; hopefully we can get a scaleable solution.
[21:23] <beuno> kfogel, you rock
[21:23] <beuno> thanks
[22:07] <Ampelbein> hi there. just encountered an OOPS (OOPS-1269EB1194), trying to access https://edge.launchpad.net/~amoog/+related-software
[22:09] <beuno> Ampelbein, looking into it
[22:10] <beuno> Ampelbein, it's a timeout
[22:10] <beuno> would you like to file a bug with that OOPS id?
[22:11] <Ampelbein> beuno: i can do that. should it go directly to /launchpad? or another component?
[22:11] <Ampelbein> beuno: fwiw: it works now, after retrying.
[22:12] <beuno> Ampelbein, if it works, then don't bother, we record these timeouts
[22:12] <Ampelbein> beuno: ok, thanks for your help.
[22:52] <nunod> hi everyone
[22:53] <nunod> i've been trying to add an email address to my account since morning, but i never receive the confirmation email which i'm supposed to
[22:54] <MTecknology> nunod: I've been noticing a lack of email too. My case is on blueprints. You on edge?
[22:54] <nunod> yep
[22:57] <eagle00789> when i go to https://edge.launchpad.net/~info-decomputeur and edit my location, it ALWAYS jumps back to the same location... somewhere in russia (atleast as far as i can see)
[22:57] <beuno> sinzui, ^
[22:57] <MTecknology> beuno: any idea what's up w/ email?
[22:58] <nunod> eagle00789: same happening with me
[22:58] <eagle00789> then it's a bug
[22:58] <beuno> MTecknology, no, please file a bug with specifics
[22:58] <sinzui> MTecknology: There are are tremendous number of bugs regarding notifications and blueprints. The summary of it all is that blueprints was not initially designed to send notification, and it will not until the community can work on it
[22:59] <nunod> so I can't change my email? :/
[23:00] <MTecknology> sinzui: good enough answer for me. I can handle waiting.
[23:00] <MTecknology> nunod: you issue is quite a bit different, have you tried on stable?
[23:01] <MTecknology> nunod: Go to https://launchpad.net/ and click Disable redirect for 2 hours and try it again
[23:01] <nunod> i'll try
[23:02] <sinzui> eagle00789: your location bug is probably bug 387738
[23:03] <eagle00789> thx.
[23:03] <eagle00789> will report it as affecting me 2
[23:03]  * sinzui suspects geoname + browser JS engine hate some users
[23:05] <sinzui> nunod: is the domain of the missing email going to yahoo? Yahoo seems to be adept at losing email
[23:05] <nunod> no
[23:05] <nunod> i just got the confirmation now, without edge
[23:05] <sinzui> interesting
[23:05] <oojah> Oooh, lots of new lp shininess.
[23:06] <eagle00789> i reported a Affects me 2 for my bug:D
[23:07] <MTecknology> sinzui: I've never used the feedback in blueprints before. If they have feedback requested, shouldn't they be able to add their feedback and have it displayed? Or is it something that's meant to be done viw personal messages and request just removed?
[23:08] <sinzui> eagle00789: can you note your real location, and browser version too.
[23:08] <MTecknology> sinzui: the latter seems to be the case..
[23:08] <eagle00789> browser version already noted....
[23:08] <MTecknology> nunod: you might want to file a bug for it
[23:08] <eagle00789> was looking into this issue using IE instead of FF
[23:08] <MTecknology> eagle00789: well, then of course. Use a broken browser and every site is broken :P
[23:09] <sinzui> MTecknology: it is meant that you walk over to the guy at the sprint you are attending and tell him It's now his problem. I would use Contact this user to tell the person, or ping him on IRC
[23:09] <eagle00789> i reported this issue when i used ff. i was looking if the bug was the same using IE
[23:09] <sinzui> MTecknology: blueprints are based on a the behaviour at sprints, it has not been adapted yet to virtual life.
[23:10] <eagle00789> on ie6 it is even worse. it doens't even show the google map :D
[23:10] <MTecknology> sinzui: ok, that clears things up a lot, thanks
[23:10] <MTecknology> my life is almost strictly virtual
[23:11] <beuno> sinzui, your changes to the series page turned out to be very useful: https://edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/karmic
[23:11] <sinzui> 80% of the users of sprints need a workflow suited to the virtual life. Most of the blueprints bugs deal with this theme
[23:12] <sinzui> beuno: My manifesto on on triage pointed out that trivial has such a high value that they must be treated high...My team have less than 5 trivial bugs left
[23:13] <sinzui> beuno: I think my argument would have been more successful If I thought of the paper ananology
[23:14] <sinzui> I have got to move that display onto the milestone and release page, and ad totals so I can keep score of how many are fixed
[23:14] <eagle00789> i added the correct location for me to the bugreport
[23:14] <sinzui> eagle00789: thank you very much
[23:14] <eagle00789> no problem....
[23:16] <eagle00789> i understand how important complete bug reports are since i'm a developer myself wich gets even more difficult problems like: Access violation at address 004B5987 in module 'tbu.exe'. Read of address 00000000
[23:16] <eagle00789> happy bughuntig for these errors :P
[23:18] <eagle00789> and the fun thing is, i recently released a new version of my program with a more friendlyer reporting of errors to me, but i haven't received anny bug-reports for that version yet.
[23:43] <wgrant> beuno: Do you still have outstanding sprite-fixing branches (including any not on edge)? There are still lots of issues that I wonder if I should file now, or wait until the edge rollout today.
[23:44] <ajmitch> wgrant: by sprite-fixing, you mean all the misaligned icons?
[23:44] <wgrant> ajmitch: Yes.
[23:45] <nhandler> Good. I've been holding off on those bugs as well
[23:45] <ajmitch> ok, glad it's not just me & greasemonkey
[23:45] <beuno> wgrant, there are *tons* of bugs I fixed that haven't landed
[23:45] <ajmitch> which is why I hadn't filed bugs, looks like at least one of us should have :)
[23:46] <wgrant> beuno: They won't land in the next few hours?
[23:47] <beuno> wgrant, they've had to revert edge
[23:47] <beuno> wgrant, most of them are on dogfood though
[23:48] <wgrant> Ahh.
[23:50] <wgrant> Unfortunately dogfood is uselessly slow, even moreso than usual.
[23:50] <beuno> argh
[23:50] <MTecknology> what % of lp bugs reported are edge specific?
[23:51] <beuno> arch, yeah
[23:51] <wgrant> Rollout is Wednesday, isn't it?
[23:53] <wgrant> Aha, I got a non-timeout!
[23:54] <wgrant> beuno: Your fixes for the project/team icons on Person:+index have clobbered custom project icons, and custom team icons are just not there.
[23:55] <beuno> wgrant, right. But it's fixes here  :)
[23:55] <wgrant> beuno: Ah, good.
[23:55] <wgrant> Answer contacts are still borked...
[23:56] <beuno> wgrant, link?
[23:56] <wgrant> beuno: https://answers.dogfood.launchpad.net/ubuntu, second portlet.
[23:58] <beuno> wgrant, thanks. Will fix