| SiDi | Hey people | 11:32 |
|---|---|---|
| SiDi | is Breathe still meant to be depending on gnome instead of Human ? :/ | 11:32 |
| thorwil | SiDi: why still? i thought it was never meant that way? | 12:06 |
| SiDi | thorwil: the released one uses Human instead of gnome | 12:08 |
| SiDi | macvr: macslow said he went to lunch \o/ | 12:15 |
| macvr | SiDi: darn it! i missed it! my connection was reset! :P | 12:17 |
| SiDi | yeh noticed :) | 12:34 |
| kwwii | hi all | 12:35 |
| kwwii | anyone taken a look a the hundred paper cuts project yet? | 12:35 |
| SiDi | i have | 12:38 |
| SiDi | lots of invalid bugs.. | 12:38 |
| kwwii | yeah, well...if you think it is invalid say so | 12:39 |
| kwwii | the designers will never figure it out on their own :p | 12:39 |
| SiDi | oh, they're marked invalid :) | 12:40 |
| kwwii | :) | 12:41 |
| SiDi | basically lots of users see hundred paper cuts as an opportunity to beg another time for a hard-to-fix / unwanted / hard-to-implement / non-fixable feature | 12:41 |
| kwwii | yeah, true that | 13:04 |
| macvr | SiDi: ^exactly what i thought.... | 14:57 |
| macvr | kwwii: aernt the papercuts a non-art issue? or are you just spreading the word? | 14:58 |
| macvr | does anyone have a good pic of scarlet johanson/jessica alba/catherine heigl/chatherine bell blowing a kiss...i'm asking only for purely artistic reasons :P | 15:00 |
| kwwii | macvr: actually, quite a few of them are art issues | 15:01 |
| kwwii | macvr: like the ones about the xdg folders | 15:01 |
| macvr | ah! | 15:01 |
| kwwii | someone can take the current human folder and create ideas for the overlays for music, video, etc | 15:01 |
| kwwii | and if anyone is looking for icon stuff to do, there is also some UNR work which is boring but needs to be done | 15:02 |
| kwwii | UNR uses 48x48 and 64x64 icons mainly so we need to make human icons of the current smaller ones at that size | 15:02 |
| macvr | actually i had forgotten that xdg folders was a missing feature... since i had personally assigned different folder icons with overlays for those folders! | 15:02 |
| kwwii | oh, and we are accepting ideas for the battery icons in the panel | 15:02 |
| kwwii | ;) | 15:02 |
| andreasn | kwwii, battery icons in the panel? | 15:03 |
| macvr | kwwii: what is the present battery icon... ? what are your limitations /use of colors? | 15:03 |
| macvr | kwwii: also the diff sizes you what the icons in? | 15:05 |
| andreasn | kwwii, any ideas about https://bugs.launchpad.net/human-icon-theme/+bug/385903 ? | 15:07 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 385903 in human-icon-theme "File > Close icon looks odd in Firefox and Thunderbird" [Undecided,New] | 15:07 |
| kwwii | andreasn: yeah, we have had people complain about the current ones we usue in UNR | 15:07 |
| kwwii | andreasn: hrm, seems like that should be fixable | 15:08 |
| andreasn | I'm not sure my approach is the best solution | 15:09 |
| andreasn | and now I broke my system, so I can't try Rodney's suggestion | 15:09 |
| kwwii | I do not understand rodneys comment about renaming it though | 15:11 |
| kwwii | the problem is that the wrong size icon is used | 15:11 |
| kwwii | maybe just reordering the index directories as he suggests is enough | 15:11 |
| macvr | andreasn: , kwwii does that seem like a papercut? | 15:12 |
| kwwii | macvr: yeah, if the answer is simple, no if it is not | 15:13 |
| kwwii | :p | 15:13 |
| kwwii | andreasn: what did you change? | 15:13 |
| macvr | andreasn: if th solution is as simple as u suggest , then its a papercut... | 15:14 |
| andreasn | I removed the entrys for 8x8 and 12x12 in the index.theme file | 15:14 |
| kwwii | ahhh, right now I see it | 15:14 |
| kwwii | well, I would like to try it with the dirs listed in the other order and see if that works | 15:14 |
| andreasn | and took the icon from the 8x8 (or was it the 12x12) and placed it inside the 16x16 canvas | 15:14 |
| kwwii | andreasn: erm, but a 16x16 version already exists | 15:23 |
| macvr | which do you guys like better? for a smiley kiss lips... http://lh5.ggpht.com/_lVe-FF7vK3E/SW9gkHTdltI/AAAAAAAAAo8/6y_xJonlEbI/s400/salma_hayek_sexy4.jpg or http://blog.taragana.com/e/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/megan-fox-blows-a-kiss.jpg ... i feel the second gets a bit obscene | 15:23 |
| andreasn | kwwii, yeah, that's why it's so odd that it works like this | 15:23 |
| andreasn | I wonder if it might be a bug in the way mozilla deals with the menu icons | 15:24 |
| kwwii | hrm, have you tried just re-ordering the stuff in the index.theme file? | 15:24 |
| kwwii | this sounds like a wierd bug | 15:24 |
| kwwii | the icon already exists at all sizes | 15:24 |
| kwwii | well, up to and including 16 | 15:25 |
| andreasn | no, I haven't. Did that work? | 15:26 |
| kwwii | i am in a call now, I will try it in a bit | 15:27 |
| kwwii | lol, yeah...that fixes it | 15:30 |
| kwwii | I just put the 8 and 12 directory listing at the end | 15:30 |
| andreasn | wow | 15:31 |
| andreasn | that's great, thanks for the help! | 15:31 |
| kwwii | andreasn: wow, freaky | 15:39 |
| kwwii | when I do that it also uses the larger icon in the tabs and scales it down | 15:39 |
| kwwii | apparently | 15:39 |
| kwwii | it used to look like the small one and now it uses the larger 3d one | 15:39 |
| kwwii | boah, firefox makes no sense | 15:39 |
| andreasn | screenshot? | 15:40 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/Screenshot.png | 15:42 |
| kwwii | boah, and it breaks nautilus as well | 15:43 |
| kwwii | even worse, the one tab uses small the other uses large | 15:43 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/Screenshot-1.png | 15:44 |
| andreasn | ouch | 15:46 |
| andreasn | I think both the menu and tab close button use icon-size: menu; | 15:47 |
| andreasn | but I have no idea what's up with nautilus | 15:47 |
| kwwii | well, this is messier than I thought...I will try to fix it | 15:47 |
| SiDi | macvr: agree for obscene :p | 15:52 |
| andreasn | the only place we use anything below 16x16 in gnome-icon-theme is for some of the emblem icons, so it might just be that things work in a buggy way, because it haven't been tested properly with smaller sizes | 15:53 |
| kwwii | yeah | 15:55 |
| kwwii | I mean, it was using the small icons without looking bad before I moved the entry around | 15:55 |
| kwwii | anyway... | 15:55 |
| kwwii | the nautilus problem went away when I loged out | 16:02 |
| kwwii | I guess updating the cache is a good idea as well | 16:02 |
| andreasn | but the tab icons are still too big for your liking? | 16:06 |
| kwwii | I do not like the 3d-ness of them | 16:07 |
| kwwii | but i guess I can make them smaller :) | 16:07 |
| macvr | SiDi: agree meaning... u like it? :P | 16:20 |
| macvr | thorwil: how about using this for the lips? >for a smiley kiss lips... http://lh5.ggpht.com/_lVe-FF7vK3E/SW9gkHTdltI/AAAAAAAAAo8/6y_xJonlEbI/s400/salma_hayek_sexy4.jpg , the lips have a nice shape , or do you have a good pic of scarlet johanson's lips? | 16:25 |
| knome | lol | 16:26 |
| macvr | knome: what to do i have a soft corner for scarlet :P | 16:27 |
| knome | stop dreaming? ;) | 16:27 |
| macvr | knome: actually , my reason was she has a full lips, just a design view, purely artistic :P | 16:28 |
| knome | yeah right | 16:29 |
| knome | ;) | 16:29 |
| macvr | :) | 16:29 |
| knome | "i like her lips from the design point of view" | 16:29 |
| knome | have to remember that when my wife accuses me of looking other women | 16:29 |
| knome | and replace lips with any suitable body part | 16:30 |
| macvr | always glad to help ;) | 16:30 |
| macvr | knome: i see thorwil doing it a lot of times ... i wonder how u havent picked it up earlier ? | 16:31 |
| knome | maybe i was too busy explaining things to my wife? ;) | 16:31 |
| macvr | lol | 16:31 |
| raozuzu | i see interesting things here xD | 16:36 |
| SiDi | knome: macvr: pervs. i dont even know these girls ! | 16:36 |
| macvr | SiDi: well.... it takes one to know one... :P | 16:37 |
| knome | ;) | 16:37 |
| raozuzu | lol! | 16:38 |
| * SiDi prefers not understanding macvr's sentence | 16:38 | |
| macvr | SiDi: i'll try to translate in french... ;) | 16:39 |
| macvr | SiDi: Il prend un à connaître | 16:40 |
| SiDi | hahah :p | 16:40 |
| SiDi | that means nothing :) | 16:40 |
| SiDi | what did you mean by "it takes one" | 16:40 |
| macvr | dam it google translate! | 16:40 |
| raozuzu | mm perhaps... "I'll let you know (meet) one of them"? xD | 16:41 |
| macvr | SiDi: Il prend un à connaître, à savoir un | 16:41 |
| macvr | now it should make sense... | 16:42 |
| SiDi | macvr: translating wont work on idiomatic expressions :d | 16:42 |
| raozuzu | right | 16:42 |
| raozuzu | it wuold be a really good thing! | 16:42 |
| SiDi | that wouldnt be idiomatic expressions then :D | 16:42 |
| macvr | may be wolfram should develop a good translator... :) | 16:44 |
| raozuzu | lol | 16:45 |
| raozuzu | ps: hi guys | 16:45 |
| macvr | raozuzu: best PS i'v ever seen... lol! | 16:47 |
| raozuzu | really thank you ;) | 16:47 |
| SiDi | heya raozuzu | 16:47 |
| raozuzu | well... how is going the word here? | 16:48 |
| raozuzu | :D | 16:48 |
| SiDi | badly | 16:48 |
| SiDi | too much work and not enough work at the time | 16:48 |
| macvr | raozuzu: and ... ubuntu/canonical has put SiDi on food patrol... | 16:49 |
| SiDi | yeh | 16:49 |
| SiDi | i cant even cook for myself | 16:49 |
| raozuzu | really?! o_o | 16:49 |
| SiDi | but i have to make sure developers eat well | 16:49 |
| raozuzu | i'm sorry :P | 16:50 |
| raozuzu | right | 16:50 |
| SiDi | and i need to check their litter is clear and their environment is free of any threats | 16:50 |
| * SiDi should calm down on drugs. | 16:50 | |
| macvr | raozuzu: SiDi makes sure all the devs eat... | 16:50 |
| raozuzu | uh.. i've understood now | 16:50 |
| raozuzu | however I can only help with my graphical skills here, sorry :P | 16:52 |
| SiDi | i found a cool way to use this year's courses | 16:52 |
| SiDi | padding for the stuff i put on my cartons :D | 16:52 |
| raozuzu | nice idea! | 16:52 |
| * SiDi kept the courses related to algorithms and finally finds a positive side to having courses about database stuff | 16:54 | |
| macvr | anyone... comments on this? .>http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/smiley6.png | 18:52 |
| SiDi | meh | 19:02 |
| SiDi | she looks really _happy_ on low res icons | 19:02 |
| SiDi | and also, why an explicitely girl smiley ? men dont kiss ? :o | 19:02 |
| macvr | well its better getting one from a girl ;) | 19:03 |
| SiDi | depends for who :p | 19:03 |
| macvr | :P | 19:03 |
| macvr | what was the prob with low res? | 19:04 |
| macvr | SiDi: ? | 19:04 |
| SiDi | the eyes | 19:05 |
| SiDi | looks like she wanna sleep | 19:05 |
| SiDi | or she's bored | 19:05 |
| macvr | oh... it was for closed eyes... | 19:06 |
| macvr | not bored! but emotion... ;p | 19:06 |
| SiDi | brb | 19:07 |
| macvr | thorwil: hi.... busy? | 19:09 |
| thorwil | macvr: halfway | 19:09 |
| macvr | busy halfway? or smiley halfway? | 19:10 |
| thorwil | first | 19:10 |
| macvr | ok... take ur time... | 19:10 |
| thorwil | macvr: make sure the eyes don't appear like straight lines/blocks at any size | 19:11 |
| macvr | latest revision http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/smiley.png | 19:11 |
| macvr | thorwil: | 19:11 |
| macvr | thorwil: you want me to change the 32 or also the 22,16? | 19:12 |
| thorwil | macvr: i guess there's not much that can be done on 16, but otherwise yes | 19:13 |
| macvr | thorwil: i did that first... but didnt look good... will give it another shot.... what about the rest? | 19:14 |
| thorwil | macvr: also try to move the features farther outwards for the large one | 19:14 |
| macvr | ok... | 19:14 |
| macvr | thorwil: ...thanx... i'll edit it and upload to the wiki... :) | 19:16 |
| thorwil | np | 19:16 |
| _MMA_ | macvr: What mail was I supposed to send you again? | 21:31 |
| macvr | i dont know , you mentioned something about sending the weekend report about smblems ,, what was wrong ...? | 21:32 |
| macvr | emblems | 21:32 |
| SiDi | hi _MMA_ | 21:33 |
| macvr | _MMA_: you mentioned it in the mail where you said , you had uploaded some icons but will comment on the rest , and what changes need to be made... | 21:35 |
| _MMA_ | macvr: Ok. Ill have to look. I thought I did comment but maybe not enough. I work 60hr work weeks most weeks and can be kinda forgetful. | 21:36 |
| _MMA_ | macvr: I did post Saturday re: Emblems. You even commented. "OK, i'll see what i can do" | 21:38 |
| macvr | i understand... noone seems to be giving any feedbacks in the mailing list, and hence i keep bugging thorwil in the irc for feedbacks before i upload, but without feedback it is difficult what to do! | 21:39 |
| _MMA_ | macvr: Welcome to the list. | 21:39 |
| macvr | _MMA_: oh... that was it ! ok... i was waiting for a BIG mail... need something to read :P | 21:39 |
| _MMA_ | And I try to not be to 1st to comment. Because really, if its the same 4 folks all the time, all the list really becomes is a recorder. ie: We do what we want without feedback from a wider audience. 'bout how it is anyway. | 21:41 |
| macvr | _MMA_: well ...when no one comments , you need to be the first ... | 21:42 |
| macvr | _MMA_: i get thorwil's feedback here , so he doesnt comment to my submissions... | 21:42 |
| macvr | mostly | 21:42 |
| macvr | whatever corrections he wants, i usually do it before i submit :) | 21:43 |
| * _MMA_ also has *ALOT* of things to do. So things will fall through the cracks. You won't always get instant feedback. | 21:43 | |
| SiDi | im too busy to read ubuntu-art mails most of time atm, i must say :| | 21:44 |
| SiDi | so no feedback | 21:44 |
| _MMA_ | macvr: So it's nothing personal. | 21:45 |
| macvr | SiDi: as if there is a lot to read! the list is kinda dead, | 21:45 |
| macvr | _MMA_: i understand... | 21:45 |
| SiDi | macvr: its not about reading | 21:45 |
| _MMA_ | List is 3/4 [Breathe] lately. | 21:45 |
| SiDi | i dont do one line comments macvr | 21:45 |
| SiDi | if i wanna feedback i have to _think_ (takes time) and write a constructive replay (takes time) | 21:45 |
| macvr | _MMA_: even SiDi chimes in his feedback here... so mailing list gets boring to report submissions... hence only today i reported about icons 1 uploaded 3 days ago. :P | 21:46 |
| * _MMA_ is going to freeze [Breathe] soon to have a honest and frank aesthetic review of the current icons. | 21:47 | |
| _MMA_ | macvr: Honestly, I don't need a post about every little change or upload. I'd rather people work through the week and post about it later. | 21:48 |
| macvr | _MMA_: whats the prob with the mail emblem? why do you want to change it? tango doesnt have a mail-emblem ... the human one is the back of the envelope... hence i thought i'd try different... | 21:48 |
| _MMA_ | Daniel sometimes sends me 4 emails a week for the mail-* icons. All slight fixes. | 21:48 |
| macvr | _MMA_: weekly updates are enough... like the one you did last week... responding to every mail is TRULY a bore | 21:49 |
| _MMA_ | macvr: I just don't know about the direction and don't want to think about it right now. | 21:49 |
| macvr | ok... | 21:49 |
| ryanprior | Maybe encourage Daniel to use a bzr branch rather than e-mailing all his changes? | 21:50 |
| ryanprior | Then you can check them out at your leisure. | 21:51 |
| _MMA_ | macvr: I see style differences all over the set lately. I really don't want to start adding on top of it. So, I'm putting off the emblems for now. | 21:51 |
| macvr | _MMA_: i'v noticed that too :( | 21:51 |
| macvr | _MMA_: btw since you are here, how are the latest uploads of the smileys? | 21:52 |
| _MMA_ | ryanprior: I'm unsure he knows BZR. It's one reason I handle all that back-end stuff. So people can just create. And honestly I dont want him changing other things. I'd just rather he be sure of what he sends me. Like Sebastien. | 21:52 |
| _MMA_ | macvr: Saw the mail, havent looked at them yet. Will soon. I'll lost likely upload tonight if they fit. | 21:53 |
| ryanprior | bzr probably has a GUI front-end that's at least as easy as e-mail | 21:53 |
| macvr | _MMA_: haha... you are truly tired.... you are making spelling mistakes :P | 21:54 |
| _MMA_ | macvr: re: inconsistent style. It's mostly Daniel's submissions where he uses Oxygen. | 21:54 |
| _MMA_ | ryanprior: it's called "Olive". | 21:55 |
| macvr | _MMA_: ^? I didnt understand | 21:55 |
| _MMA_ | What don't you get? | 21:55 |
| macvr | re: inconsistent style. It's mostly Daniel's submissions where he uses Oxygen. | 21:55 |
| _MMA_ | and? | 21:55 |
| macvr | is that a reply about the smileys? it doesnt make sense to me? | 21:56 |
| _MMA_ | The mail-* ones mostly. | 21:56 |
| _MMA_ | "macvr: _MMA_: i'v noticed that too :(" <- Reply to that. | 21:56 |
| macvr | ok... | 21:57 |
| macvr | _MMA_: ... see ya later... and dont reject salma hayek ;P ... I used her as the reference for the face-kiss :P | 22:04 |
| * _MMA_ looks now | 22:04 | |
| * _MMA_ likes Salma. (notes that macvr should at least capitalize peoples names) I don't know about the smirk. | 22:06 | |
| * macvr knows Salma doesnt mind :P | 22:06 | |
| macvr | I got fed up with the smirk... I gave up due to lack of fresh ideas... i mostly dont know how to do it better :( | 22:08 |
| _MMA_ | Ok. Noted. | 22:08 |
| macvr | _MMA_: looks like James just lobbied for breathe... in ayatana list too | 22:17 |
| _MMA_ | Where? | 22:18 |
| macvr | _MMA_: https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg00392.html ... | 22:19 |
| _MMA_ | Oh that. Saw it bub didnt read yet. | 22:20 |
| _MMA_ | *but | 22:20 |
| macvr | :) | 22:20 |
| kwwii | any suggestions for improvement: http://sinecera.de/games64.png ? | 22:22 |
| _MMA_ | error | 22:22 |
| _MMA_ | 404 | 22:23 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/games48.png | 22:23 |
| kwwii | oops | 22:23 |
| _MMA_ | Looks nice as it is. What is it for? | 22:24 |
| macvr | kwwii: maybe reduce the number of cards... the A is not clear... | 22:25 |
| kwwii | macvr: yeah, good point...I have thought of that as well | 22:25 |
| SiDi | mat_t didnt stay for long.. :D | 22:25 |
| kwwii | thanks for mentioning it | 22:25 |
| _MMA_ | macvr: Well it kinda depends on the use-case. | 22:25 |
| macvr | or maybe choose another number card | 22:26 |
| kwwii | he doesn't love me anymore | 22:26 |
| kwwii | macvr has a good point | 22:26 |
| kwwii | I thought about trying it but wanted to get a first reaction | 22:26 |
| SiDi | kwwii: some flowers, a chocolate box, a restaurant, and a walk on the beach during sunset, and he'll love you again ! | 22:26 |
| macvr | 1 is probably the easiest :P | 22:26 |
| kwwii | well, there is no 1 card :p | 22:27 |
| macvr | i meant 10! | 22:27 |
| SiDi | macvr: sure :D | 22:27 |
| macvr | stupid keyboard ! | 22:27 |
| _MMA_ | Sure. ;) | 22:28 |
| macvr | well its only as good as it owner ! :( | 22:29 |
| _MMA_ | macvr: Maybe face-kiss needs more lashes? | 22:32 |
| macvr | _MMA_: tried that ...it didnt look good... | 22:32 |
| _MMA_ | k | 22:33 |
| _MMA_ | Sebastien's weather-* icons are workin' out nice. | 22:33 |
| kwwii | why doesn't someone make the xdg place icons? | 22:33 |
| kwwii | please | 22:34 |
| macvr | _MMA_: for the appointment soon, did you use Sebastien's first version or the edits i had done? | 22:34 |
| * SiDi stopped trying to do icons, it ends up badly :D | 22:34 | |
| macvr | SiDi: what happened to the notify-osd power icons? | 22:35 |
| macvr | nothing seems to be progressing... | 22:35 |
| SiDi | they're in one of my branches | 22:35 |
| macvr | oh...ok | 22:36 |
| SiDi | i'll wait before boring the devs with that | 22:36 |
| SiDi | its all coding now | 22:36 |
| SiDi | and i dont wanna code on g-p-m | 22:36 |
| SiDi | too much code | 22:36 |
| kwwii | oh well, time for sleep...see you all tomorrow | 22:52 |
| SiDi | good night kwwii | 22:53 |
| kwwii | night SiDi | 22:54 |
| kwwii | night _MMA_ | 22:54 |
| _MMA_ | night | 22:54 |
| kwwii | miss you being around all the time :( | 22:54 |
| _MMA_ | :P | 22:57 |
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