[11:32] Hey people [11:32] is Breathe still meant to be depending on gnome instead of Human ? :/ [12:06] SiDi: why still? i thought it was never meant that way? [12:08] thorwil: the released one uses Human instead of gnome [12:15] macvr: macslow said he went to lunch \o/ [12:17] SiDi: darn it! i missed it! my connection was reset! :P [12:34] yeh noticed :) [12:35] hi all [12:35] anyone taken a look a the hundred paper cuts project yet? [12:38] i have [12:38] lots of invalid bugs.. [12:39] yeah, well...if you think it is invalid say so [12:39] the designers will never figure it out on their own :p [12:40] oh, they're marked invalid :) [12:41] :) [12:41] basically lots of users see hundred paper cuts as an opportunity to beg another time for a hard-to-fix / unwanted / hard-to-implement / non-fixable feature [13:04] yeah, true that [14:57] SiDi: ^exactly what i thought.... [14:58] kwwii: aernt the papercuts a non-art issue? or are you just spreading the word? [15:00] does anyone have a good pic of scarlet johanson/jessica alba/catherine heigl/chatherine bell blowing a kiss...i'm asking only for purely artistic reasons :P [15:01] macvr: actually, quite a few of them are art issues [15:01] macvr: like the ones about the xdg folders [15:01] ah! [15:01] someone can take the current human folder and create ideas for the overlays for music, video, etc [15:02] and if anyone is looking for icon stuff to do, there is also some UNR work which is boring but needs to be done [15:02] UNR uses 48x48 and 64x64 icons mainly so we need to make human icons of the current smaller ones at that size [15:02] actually i had forgotten that xdg folders was a missing feature... since i had personally assigned different folder icons with overlays for those folders! [15:02] oh, and we are accepting ideas for the battery icons in the panel [15:02] ;) [15:03] kwwii, battery icons in the panel? [15:03] kwwii: what is the present battery icon... ? what are your limitations /use of colors? [15:05] kwwii: also the diff sizes you what the icons in? [15:07] kwwii, any ideas about https://bugs.launchpad.net/human-icon-theme/+bug/385903 ? [15:07] Ubuntu bug 385903 in human-icon-theme "File > Close icon looks odd in Firefox and Thunderbird" [Undecided,New] [15:07] andreasn: yeah, we have had people complain about the current ones we usue in UNR [15:08] andreasn: hrm, seems like that should be fixable [15:09] I'm not sure my approach is the best solution [15:09] and now I broke my system, so I can't try Rodney's suggestion [15:11] I do not understand rodneys comment about renaming it though [15:11] the problem is that the wrong size icon is used [15:11] maybe just reordering the index directories as he suggests is enough [15:12] andreasn: , kwwii does that seem like a papercut? [15:13] macvr: yeah, if the answer is simple, no if it is not [15:13] :p [15:13] andreasn: what did you change? [15:14] andreasn: if th solution is as simple as u suggest , then its a papercut... [15:14] I removed the entrys for 8x8 and 12x12 in the index.theme file [15:14] ahhh, right now I see it [15:14] well, I would like to try it with the dirs listed in the other order and see if that works [15:14] and took the icon from the 8x8 (or was it the 12x12) and placed it inside the 16x16 canvas [15:23] andreasn: erm, but a 16x16 version already exists [15:23] which do you guys like better? for a smiley kiss lips... http://lh5.ggpht.com/_lVe-FF7vK3E/SW9gkHTdltI/AAAAAAAAAo8/6y_xJonlEbI/s400/salma_hayek_sexy4.jpg or http://blog.taragana.com/e/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/megan-fox-blows-a-kiss.jpg ... i feel the second gets a bit obscene [15:23] kwwii, yeah, that's why it's so odd that it works like this [15:24] I wonder if it might be a bug in the way mozilla deals with the menu icons [15:24] hrm, have you tried just re-ordering the stuff in the index.theme file? [15:24] this sounds like a wierd bug [15:24] the icon already exists at all sizes [15:25] well, up to and including 16 [15:26] no, I haven't. Did that work? [15:27] i am in a call now, I will try it in a bit [15:30] lol, yeah...that fixes it [15:30] I just put the 8 and 12 directory listing at the end [15:31] wow [15:31] that's great, thanks for the help! [15:39] andreasn: wow, freaky [15:39] when I do that it also uses the larger icon in the tabs and scales it down [15:39] apparently [15:39] it used to look like the small one and now it uses the larger 3d one [15:39] boah, firefox makes no sense [15:40] screenshot? [15:42] http://sinecera.de/Screenshot.png [15:43] boah, and it breaks nautilus as well [15:43] even worse, the one tab uses small the other uses large [15:44] http://sinecera.de/Screenshot-1.png [15:46] ouch [15:47] I think both the menu and tab close button use icon-size: menu; [15:47] but I have no idea what's up with nautilus [15:47] well, this is messier than I thought...I will try to fix it [15:52] macvr: agree for obscene :p [15:53] the only place we use anything below 16x16 in gnome-icon-theme is for some of the emblem icons, so it might just be that things work in a buggy way, because it haven't been tested properly with smaller sizes [15:55] yeah [15:55] I mean, it was using the small icons without looking bad before I moved the entry around [15:55] anyway... [16:02] the nautilus problem went away when I loged out [16:02] I guess updating the cache is a good idea as well [16:06] but the tab icons are still too big for your liking? [16:07] I do not like the 3d-ness of them [16:07] but i guess I can make them smaller :) [16:20] SiDi: agree meaning... u like it? :P [16:25] thorwil: how about using this for the lips? >for a smiley kiss lips... http://lh5.ggpht.com/_lVe-FF7vK3E/SW9gkHTdltI/AAAAAAAAAo8/6y_xJonlEbI/s400/salma_hayek_sexy4.jpg , the lips have a nice shape , or do you have a good pic of scarlet johanson's lips? [16:26] lol [16:27] knome: what to do i have a soft corner for scarlet :P [16:27] stop dreaming? ;) [16:28] knome: actually , my reason was she has a full lips, just a design view, purely artistic :P [16:29] yeah right [16:29] ;) [16:29] :) [16:29] "i like her lips from the design point of view" [16:29] have to remember that when my wife accuses me of looking other women [16:30] and replace lips with any suitable body part [16:30] always glad to help ;) [16:31] knome: i see thorwil doing it a lot of times ... i wonder how u havent picked it up earlier ? [16:31] maybe i was too busy explaining things to my wife? ;) [16:31] lol [16:36] i see interesting things here xD [16:36] knome: macvr: pervs. i dont even know these girls ! [16:37] SiDi: well.... it takes one to know one... :P [16:37] ;) [16:38] lol! [16:38] * SiDi prefers not understanding macvr's sentence [16:39] SiDi: i'll try to translate in french... ;) [16:40] SiDi: Il prend un à connaître [16:40] hahah :p [16:40] that means nothing :) [16:40] what did you mean by "it takes one" [16:40] dam it google translate! [16:41] mm perhaps... "I'll let you know (meet) one of them"? xD [16:41] SiDi: Il prend un à connaître, à savoir un [16:42] now it should make sense... [16:42] macvr: translating wont work on idiomatic expressions :d [16:42] right [16:42] it wuold be a really good thing! [16:42] that wouldnt be idiomatic expressions then :D [16:44] may be wolfram should develop a good translator... :) [16:45] lol [16:45] ps: hi guys [16:47] raozuzu: best PS i'v ever seen... lol! [16:47] really thank you ;) [16:47] heya raozuzu [16:48] well... how is going the word here? [16:48] :D [16:48] badly [16:48] too much work and not enough work at the time [16:49] raozuzu: and ... ubuntu/canonical has put SiDi on food patrol... [16:49] yeh [16:49] i cant even cook for myself [16:49] really?! o_o [16:49] but i have to make sure developers eat well [16:50] i'm sorry :P [16:50] right [16:50] and i need to check their litter is clear and their environment is free of any threats [16:50] * SiDi should calm down on drugs. [16:50] raozuzu: SiDi makes sure all the devs eat... [16:50] uh.. i've understood now [16:52] however I can only help with my graphical skills here, sorry :P [16:52] i found a cool way to use this year's courses [16:52] padding for the stuff i put on my cartons :D [16:52] nice idea! [16:54] * SiDi kept the courses related to algorithms and finally finds a positive side to having courses about database stuff [18:52] anyone... comments on this? .>http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/smiley6.png [19:02] meh [19:02] she looks really _happy_ on low res icons [19:02] and also, why an explicitely girl smiley ? men dont kiss ? :o [19:03] well its better getting one from a girl ;) [19:03] depends for who :p [19:03] :P [19:04] what was the prob with low res? [19:04] SiDi: ? [19:05] the eyes [19:05] looks like she wanna sleep [19:05] or she's bored [19:06] oh... it was for closed eyes... [19:06] not bored! but emotion... ;p [19:07] brb [19:09] thorwil: hi.... busy? [19:09] macvr: halfway [19:10] busy halfway? or smiley halfway? [19:10] first [19:10] ok... take ur time... [19:11] macvr: make sure the eyes don't appear like straight lines/blocks at any size [19:11] latest revision http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/smiley.png [19:11] thorwil: [19:12] thorwil: you want me to change the 32 or also the 22,16? [19:13] macvr: i guess there's not much that can be done on 16, but otherwise yes [19:14] thorwil: i did that first... but didnt look good... will give it another shot.... what about the rest? [19:14] macvr: also try to move the features farther outwards for the large one [19:14] ok... [19:16] thorwil: ...thanx... i'll edit it and upload to the wiki... :) [19:16] np [21:31] <_MMA_> macvr: What mail was I supposed to send you again? [21:32] i dont know , you mentioned something about sending the weekend report about smblems ,, what was wrong ...? [21:32] emblems [21:33] hi _MMA_ [21:35] _MMA_: you mentioned it in the mail where you said , you had uploaded some icons but will comment on the rest , and what changes need to be made... [21:36] <_MMA_> macvr: Ok. Ill have to look. I thought I did comment but maybe not enough. I work 60hr work weeks most weeks and can be kinda forgetful. [21:38] <_MMA_> macvr: I did post Saturday re: Emblems. You even commented. "OK, i'll see what i can do" [21:39] i understand... noone seems to be giving any feedbacks in the mailing list, and hence i keep bugging thorwil in the irc for feedbacks before i upload, but without feedback it is difficult what to do! [21:39] <_MMA_> macvr: Welcome to the list. [21:39] _MMA_: oh... that was it ! ok... i was waiting for a BIG mail... need something to read :P [21:41] <_MMA_> And I try to not be to 1st to comment. Because really, if its the same 4 folks all the time, all the list really becomes is a recorder. ie: We do what we want without feedback from a wider audience. 'bout how it is anyway. [21:42] _MMA_: well ...when no one comments , you need to be the first ... [21:42] _MMA_: i get thorwil's feedback here , so he doesnt comment to my submissions... [21:42] mostly [21:43] whatever corrections he wants, i usually do it before i submit :) [21:43] * _MMA_ also has *ALOT* of things to do. So things will fall through the cracks. You won't always get instant feedback. [21:44] im too busy to read ubuntu-art mails most of time atm, i must say :| [21:44] so no feedback [21:45] <_MMA_> macvr: So it's nothing personal. [21:45] SiDi: as if there is a lot to read! the list is kinda dead, [21:45] _MMA_: i understand... [21:45] macvr: its not about reading [21:45] <_MMA_> List is 3/4 [Breathe] lately. [21:45] i dont do one line comments macvr [21:45] if i wanna feedback i have to _think_ (takes time) and write a constructive replay (takes time) [21:46] _MMA_: even SiDi chimes in his feedback here... so mailing list gets boring to report submissions... hence only today i reported about icons 1 uploaded 3 days ago. :P [21:47] * _MMA_ is going to freeze [Breathe] soon to have a honest and frank aesthetic review of the current icons. [21:48] <_MMA_> macvr: Honestly, I don't need a post about every little change or upload. I'd rather people work through the week and post about it later. [21:48] _MMA_: whats the prob with the mail emblem? why do you want to change it? tango doesnt have a mail-emblem ... the human one is the back of the envelope... hence i thought i'd try different... [21:48] <_MMA_> Daniel sometimes sends me 4 emails a week for the mail-* icons. All slight fixes. [21:49] _MMA_: weekly updates are enough... like the one you did last week... responding to every mail is TRULY a bore [21:49] <_MMA_> macvr: I just don't know about the direction and don't want to think about it right now. [21:49] ok... [21:50] Maybe encourage Daniel to use a bzr branch rather than e-mailing all his changes? [21:51] Then you can check them out at your leisure. [21:51] <_MMA_> macvr: I see style differences all over the set lately. I really don't want to start adding on top of it. So, I'm putting off the emblems for now. [21:51] _MMA_: i'v noticed that too :( [21:52] _MMA_: btw since you are here, how are the latest uploads of the smileys? [21:52] <_MMA_> ryanprior: I'm unsure he knows BZR. It's one reason I handle all that back-end stuff. So people can just create. And honestly I dont want him changing other things. I'd just rather he be sure of what he sends me. Like Sebastien. [21:53] <_MMA_> macvr: Saw the mail, havent looked at them yet. Will soon. I'll lost likely upload tonight if they fit. [21:53] bzr probably has a GUI front-end that's at least as easy as e-mail [21:54] _MMA_: haha... you are truly tired.... you are making spelling mistakes :P [21:54] <_MMA_> macvr: re: inconsistent style. It's mostly Daniel's submissions where he uses Oxygen. [21:55] <_MMA_> ryanprior: it's called "Olive". [21:55] _MMA_: ^? I didnt understand [21:55] <_MMA_> What don't you get? [21:55] re: inconsistent style. It's mostly Daniel's submissions where he uses Oxygen. [21:55] <_MMA_> and? [21:56] is that a reply about the smileys? it doesnt make sense to me? [21:56] <_MMA_> The mail-* ones mostly. [21:56] <_MMA_> "macvr: _MMA_: i'v noticed that too :(" <- Reply to that. [21:57] ok... [22:04] _MMA_: ... see ya later... and dont reject salma hayek ;P ... I used her as the reference for the face-kiss :P [22:04] * _MMA_ looks now [22:06] * _MMA_ likes Salma. (notes that macvr should at least capitalize peoples names) I don't know about the smirk. [22:06] * macvr knows Salma doesnt mind :P [22:08] I got fed up with the smirk... I gave up due to lack of fresh ideas... i mostly dont know how to do it better :( [22:08] <_MMA_> Ok. Noted. [22:17] _MMA_: looks like James just lobbied for breathe... in ayatana list too [22:18] <_MMA_> Where? [22:19] _MMA_: https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg00392.html ... [22:20] <_MMA_> Oh that. Saw it bub didnt read yet. [22:20] <_MMA_> *but [22:20] :) [22:22] any suggestions for improvement: http://sinecera.de/games64.png ? [22:22] <_MMA_> error [22:23] <_MMA_> 404 [22:23] http://sinecera.de/games48.png [22:23] oops [22:24] <_MMA_> Looks nice as it is. What is it for? [22:25] kwwii: maybe reduce the number of cards... the A is not clear... [22:25] macvr: yeah, good point...I have thought of that as well [22:25] mat_t didnt stay for long.. :D [22:25] thanks for mentioning it [22:25] <_MMA_> macvr: Well it kinda depends on the use-case. [22:26] or maybe choose another number card [22:26] he doesn't love me anymore [22:26] macvr has a good point [22:26] I thought about trying it but wanted to get a first reaction [22:26] kwwii: some flowers, a chocolate box, a restaurant, and a walk on the beach during sunset, and he'll love you again ! [22:26] 1 is probably the easiest :P [22:27] well, there is no 1 card :p [22:27] i meant 10! [22:27] macvr: sure :D [22:27] stupid keyboard ! [22:28] <_MMA_> Sure. ;) [22:29] well its only as good as it owner ! :( [22:32] <_MMA_> macvr: Maybe face-kiss needs more lashes? [22:32] _MMA_: tried that ...it didnt look good... [22:33] <_MMA_> k [22:33] <_MMA_> Sebastien's weather-* icons are workin' out nice. [22:33] why doesn't someone make the xdg place icons? [22:34] please [22:34] _MMA_: for the appointment soon, did you use Sebastien's first version or the edits i had done? [22:34] * SiDi stopped trying to do icons, it ends up badly :D [22:35] SiDi: what happened to the notify-osd power icons? [22:35] nothing seems to be progressing... [22:35] they're in one of my branches [22:36] oh...ok [22:36] i'll wait before boring the devs with that [22:36] its all coding now [22:36] and i dont wanna code on g-p-m [22:36] too much code [22:52] oh well, time for sleep...see you all tomorrow [22:53] good night kwwii [22:54] night SiDi [22:54] night _MMA_ [22:54] <_MMA_> night [22:54] miss you being around all the time :( [22:57] <_MMA_> :P