[11:32] <SiDi> Hey people
[11:32] <SiDi> is Breathe still meant to be depending on gnome instead of Human ? :/
[12:06] <thorwil> SiDi: why still? i thought it was never meant that way?
[12:08] <SiDi> thorwil: the released one uses Human instead of gnome
[12:15] <SiDi> macvr: macslow said he went to lunch \o/
[12:17] <macvr> SiDi: darn it! i missed it! my connection was reset! :P
[12:34] <SiDi> yeh noticed :)
[12:35] <kwwii> hi all
[12:35] <kwwii> anyone taken a look a the hundred paper cuts project yet?
[12:38] <SiDi> i have
[12:38] <SiDi> lots of invalid bugs..
[12:39] <kwwii> yeah, well...if you think it is invalid say so
[12:39] <kwwii> the designers will never figure it out on their own :p
[12:40] <SiDi> oh, they're marked invalid :)
[12:41] <kwwii> :)
[12:41] <SiDi> basically lots of users see hundred paper cuts as an opportunity to beg another time for a hard-to-fix / unwanted / hard-to-implement / non-fixable feature
[13:04] <kwwii> yeah, true that
[14:57] <macvr> SiDi: ^exactly what i thought....
[14:58] <macvr> kwwii: aernt the papercuts a non-art issue? or are you just spreading the word?
[15:00] <macvr> does anyone have a good pic of scarlet johanson/jessica alba/catherine heigl/chatherine bell blowing a kiss...i'm asking only for purely artistic reasons :P
[15:01] <kwwii> macvr: actually, quite a few of them are art issues
[15:01] <kwwii> macvr: like the ones about the xdg folders
[15:01] <macvr> ah!
[15:01] <kwwii> someone can take the current human folder and create ideas for the overlays for music, video, etc
[15:02] <kwwii> and if anyone is looking for icon stuff to do, there is also some UNR work which is boring but needs to be done
[15:02] <kwwii> UNR uses 48x48 and 64x64 icons mainly so we need to make human icons of the current smaller ones at that size
[15:02] <macvr> actually i had forgotten that xdg folders was a missing feature... since i had personally assigned different folder icons with overlays for those folders!
[15:02] <kwwii> oh, and we are accepting ideas for the battery icons in the panel
[15:02] <kwwii> ;)
[15:03] <andreasn> kwwii, battery icons in the panel?
[15:03] <macvr> kwwii: what is the present battery icon... ? what are your limitations /use of colors?
[15:05] <macvr> kwwii: also the diff sizes you what the icons in?
[15:07] <andreasn> kwwii, any ideas about https://bugs.launchpad.net/human-icon-theme/+bug/385903 ?
[15:07] <kwwii> andreasn: yeah, we have had people complain about the current ones we usue in UNR
[15:08] <kwwii> andreasn: hrm, seems like that should be fixable
[15:09] <andreasn> I'm not sure my approach is the best solution
[15:09] <andreasn> and now I broke my system, so I can't try Rodney's suggestion
[15:11] <kwwii> I do not understand rodneys comment about renaming it though
[15:11] <kwwii> the problem is that the wrong size icon is used
[15:11] <kwwii> maybe just reordering the index directories as he suggests is enough
[15:12] <macvr> andreasn: , kwwii does that seem like a papercut?
[15:13] <kwwii> macvr: yeah, if the answer is simple, no if it is not
[15:13] <kwwii> :p
[15:13] <kwwii> andreasn: what did you change?
[15:14] <macvr> andreasn: if th solution is as simple as u suggest , then its a papercut...
[15:14] <andreasn> I removed the entrys for 8x8 and 12x12 in the index.theme file
[15:14] <kwwii> ahhh, right now I see it
[15:14] <kwwii> well, I would like to try it with the dirs listed in the other order and see if that works
[15:14] <andreasn> and took the icon from the 8x8 (or was it the 12x12) and placed it inside the 16x16 canvas
[15:23] <kwwii> andreasn: erm, but a 16x16 version already exists
[15:23] <macvr> which do you guys like better? for a smiley kiss lips... http://lh5.ggpht.com/_lVe-FF7vK3E/SW9gkHTdltI/AAAAAAAAAo8/6y_xJonlEbI/s400/salma_hayek_sexy4.jpg or http://blog.taragana.com/e/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/megan-fox-blows-a-kiss.jpg ... i feel the second gets a bit obscene
[15:23] <andreasn> kwwii, yeah, that's why it's so odd that it works like this
[15:24] <andreasn> I wonder if it might be a bug in the way mozilla deals with the menu icons
[15:24] <kwwii> hrm, have you tried just re-ordering the stuff in the index.theme file?
[15:24] <kwwii> this sounds like a wierd bug
[15:24] <kwwii> the icon already exists at all sizes
[15:25] <kwwii> well, up to and including 16
[15:26] <andreasn> no, I haven't. Did that work?
[15:27] <kwwii> i am in a call now, I will try it in a bit
[15:30] <kwwii> lol, yeah...that fixes it
[15:30] <kwwii> I just put the 8 and 12 directory listing at the end
[15:31] <andreasn> wow
[15:31] <andreasn> that's great, thanks for the help!
[15:39] <kwwii> andreasn: wow, freaky
[15:39] <kwwii> when I do that it also uses the larger icon in the tabs and scales it down
[15:39] <kwwii> apparently
[15:39] <kwwii> it used to look like the small one and now it uses the larger 3d one
[15:39] <kwwii> boah, firefox makes no sense
[15:40] <andreasn> screenshot?
[15:42] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/Screenshot.png
[15:43] <kwwii> boah, and it breaks nautilus as well
[15:43] <kwwii> even worse, the one tab uses small the other uses large
[15:44] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/Screenshot-1.png
[15:46] <andreasn> ouch
[15:47] <andreasn> I think both the menu and tab close button use icon-size: menu;
[15:47] <andreasn> but I have no idea what's up with nautilus
[15:47] <kwwii> well, this is messier than I thought...I will try to fix it
[15:52] <SiDi> macvr: agree for obscene :p
[15:53] <andreasn> the only place we use anything below 16x16 in gnome-icon-theme is for some of the emblem icons, so it might just be that things work in a buggy way, because it haven't been tested properly with smaller sizes
[15:55] <kwwii> yeah
[15:55] <kwwii> I mean, it was using the small icons without looking bad before I moved the entry around
[15:55] <kwwii> anyway...
[16:02] <kwwii> the nautilus problem went away when I loged out
[16:02] <kwwii> I guess updating the cache is a good idea as well
[16:06] <andreasn> but the tab icons are still too big for your liking?
[16:07] <kwwii> I do not like the 3d-ness of them
[16:07] <kwwii> but i guess I can make them smaller :)
[16:20] <macvr> SiDi: agree meaning... u like it? :P
[16:25] <macvr> thorwil: how about using this for the lips? >for a smiley kiss lips... http://lh5.ggpht.com/_lVe-FF7vK3E/SW9gkHTdltI/AAAAAAAAAo8/6y_xJonlEbI/s400/salma_hayek_sexy4.jpg , the lips have a nice shape , or do you have a good pic of scarlet johanson's lips?
[16:26] <knome> lol
[16:27] <macvr> knome: what to do i have a soft corner for scarlet :P
[16:27] <knome> stop dreaming? ;)
[16:28] <macvr> knome: actually , my reason was she has a full lips, just a design view, purely artistic  :P
[16:29] <knome> yeah right
[16:29] <knome> ;)
[16:29] <macvr> :)
[16:29] <knome> "i like her lips from the design point of view"
[16:29] <knome> have to remember that when my wife accuses me of looking other women
[16:30] <knome> and replace lips with any suitable body part
[16:30] <macvr> always glad to help ;)
[16:31] <macvr> knome: i see thorwil  doing it a lot of times ... i wonder how u havent picked it up earlier ?
[16:31] <knome> maybe i was too busy explaining things to my wife? ;)
[16:31] <macvr> lol
[16:36] <raozuzu> i see interesting things here xD
[16:36] <SiDi> knome: macvr: pervs. i dont even know these girls !
[16:37] <macvr> SiDi: well.... it takes one to know one... :P
[16:37] <knome> ;)
[16:38] <raozuzu> lol!
[16:38]  * SiDi prefers not understanding macvr's sentence
[16:39] <macvr> SiDi: i'll try to translate in french... ;)
[16:40] <macvr> SiDi: Il prend un à connaître
[16:40] <SiDi> hahah :p
[16:40] <SiDi> that means nothing :)
[16:40] <SiDi> what did you mean by "it takes one"
[16:40] <macvr> dam it google translate!
[16:41] <raozuzu> mm perhaps... "I'll let you know (meet) one of them"? xD
[16:41] <macvr> SiDi:  Il prend un à connaître, à savoir un
[16:42] <macvr> now it should make sense...
[16:42] <SiDi> macvr: translating wont work on idiomatic expressions :d
[16:42] <raozuzu> right
[16:42] <raozuzu> it wuold be a really good thing!
[16:42] <SiDi> that wouldnt be idiomatic expressions then :D
[16:44] <macvr> may be wolfram should develop a good translator... :)
[16:45] <raozuzu> lol
[16:45] <raozuzu> ps: hi guys
[16:47] <macvr> raozuzu: best PS i'v ever seen... lol!
[16:47] <raozuzu> really thank you ;)
[16:47] <SiDi> heya raozuzu
[16:48] <raozuzu> well... how is going the word here?
[16:48] <raozuzu> :D
[16:48] <SiDi> badly
[16:48] <SiDi> too much work and not enough work at the time
[16:49] <macvr> raozuzu: and ... ubuntu/canonical has put SiDi on food patrol...
[16:49] <SiDi> yeh
[16:49] <SiDi> i cant even cook for myself
[16:49] <raozuzu> really?! o_o
[16:49] <SiDi> but i have to make sure developers eat well
[16:50] <raozuzu> i'm sorry :P
[16:50] <raozuzu> right
[16:50] <SiDi> and i need to check their litter is clear and their environment is free of any threats
[16:50]  * SiDi should calm down on drugs.
[16:50] <macvr> raozuzu: SiDi makes sure all the devs eat...
[16:50] <raozuzu> uh.. i've understood now
[16:52] <raozuzu> however I can only help with my graphical skills here, sorry :P
[16:52] <SiDi> i found a cool way to use this year's courses
[16:52] <SiDi> padding for the stuff i put on my cartons :D
[16:52] <raozuzu> nice idea!
[16:54]  * SiDi kept the courses related to algorithms and finally finds a positive side to having courses about database stuff
[18:52] <macvr> anyone... comments on this? .>http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/smiley6.png
[19:02] <SiDi> meh
[19:02] <SiDi> she looks really _happy_ on low res icons
[19:02] <SiDi> and also, why an explicitely girl smiley ? men dont kiss ? :o
[19:03] <macvr> well its better getting one from a girl ;)
[19:03] <SiDi> depends for who :p
[19:03] <macvr> :P
[19:04] <macvr> what was the prob with low res?
[19:04] <macvr> SiDi: ?
[19:05] <SiDi> the eyes
[19:05] <SiDi> looks like she wanna sleep
[19:05] <SiDi> or she's bored
[19:06] <macvr> oh... it was for closed eyes...
[19:06] <macvr> not bored! but emotion... ;p
[19:07] <SiDi> brb
[19:09] <macvr> thorwil: hi.... busy?
[19:09] <thorwil> macvr: halfway
[19:10] <macvr> busy halfway? or smiley halfway?
[19:10] <thorwil> first
[19:10] <macvr> ok... take ur time...
[19:11] <thorwil> macvr: make sure the eyes don't appear like straight lines/blocks at any size
[19:11] <macvr> latest revision http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/smiley.png
[19:11] <macvr> thorwil:
[19:12] <macvr> thorwil: you want me to change the 32 or also the 22,16?
[19:13] <thorwil> macvr: i guess there's not much that can be done on 16, but otherwise yes
[19:14] <macvr> thorwil: i did that first... but didnt look good... will give it another shot.... what about the rest?
[19:14] <thorwil> macvr: also try to move the features farther outwards for the large one
[19:14] <macvr> ok...
[19:16] <macvr> thorwil: ...thanx... i'll edit it and upload to the wiki... :)
[19:16] <thorwil> np
[21:31] <_MMA_> macvr: What mail was I supposed to send you again?
[21:32] <macvr> i dont know , you mentioned something about sending the weekend report about smblems ,, what was wrong ...?
[21:32] <macvr> emblems
[21:33] <SiDi> hi _MMA_
[21:35] <macvr> _MMA_: you mentioned it in the mail where you said , you had uploaded some icons but will comment on the rest , and what changes need to be made...
[21:36] <_MMA_> macvr: Ok. Ill have to look. I thought I did comment but maybe not enough. I work 60hr work weeks most weeks and can be kinda forgetful.
[21:38] <_MMA_> macvr: I did post Saturday re: Emblems. You even commented. "OK, i'll see what i can do"
[21:39] <macvr> i understand... noone seems to be giving any feedbacks in the mailing list, and hence i keep bugging thorwil in the irc for feedbacks before i upload, but without feedback it is difficult what to do!
[21:39] <_MMA_> macvr: Welcome to the list.
[21:39] <macvr> _MMA_: oh... that was it ! ok... i was waiting for a BIG mail... need something to read :P
[21:41] <_MMA_> And I try to not be to 1st to comment. Because really, if its the same 4 folks all the time, all the list really becomes is a recorder. ie: We do what we want without feedback from a wider audience. 'bout how it is anyway.
[21:42] <macvr> _MMA_: well ...when no one comments , you need to be the first ...
[21:42] <macvr> _MMA_: i get thorwil's feedback here , so he doesnt comment to my submissions...
[21:42] <macvr> mostly
[21:43] <macvr> whatever corrections he wants, i usually do it before i submit :)
[21:43]  * _MMA_ also has *ALOT* of things to do. So things will fall through the cracks. You won't always get instant feedback.
[21:44] <SiDi> im too busy to read ubuntu-art mails most of time atm, i must say :|
[21:44] <SiDi> so no feedback
[21:45] <_MMA_> macvr: So it's nothing personal.
[21:45] <macvr> SiDi: as if there is a lot to read! the list is kinda dead,
[21:45] <macvr> _MMA_: i understand...
[21:45] <SiDi> macvr: its not about reading
[21:45] <_MMA_> List is 3/4 [Breathe] lately.
[21:45] <SiDi> i dont do one line comments macvr
[21:45] <SiDi> if i wanna feedback i have to _think_ (takes time) and write a constructive replay (takes time)
[21:46] <macvr> _MMA_: even SiDi chimes in his feedback here... so mailing list gets boring to report submissions... hence only today i reported about icons 1 uploaded 3 days ago. :P
[21:47]  * _MMA_ is going to freeze [Breathe] soon to have a honest and frank aesthetic review of the current icons.
[21:48] <_MMA_> macvr: Honestly, I don't need a post about every little change or upload. I'd rather people work through the week and post about it later.
[21:48] <macvr> _MMA_: whats the prob with the mail emblem? why do you want to change it? tango doesnt have a mail-emblem ... the human one is the back of the envelope... hence i thought i'd try different...
[21:48] <_MMA_> Daniel sometimes sends me 4 emails a week for the mail-* icons. All slight fixes.
[21:49] <macvr> _MMA_: weekly updates are enough... like the one you did last week... responding to every mail is TRULY a bore
[21:49] <_MMA_> macvr: I just don't know about the direction and don't want to think about it right now.
[21:49] <macvr> ok...
[21:50] <ryanprior> Maybe encourage Daniel to use a bzr branch rather than e-mailing all his changes?
[21:51] <ryanprior> Then you can check them out at your leisure.
[21:51] <_MMA_> macvr: I see style differences all over the set lately. I really don't want to start adding on top of it. So, I'm putting off the emblems for now.
[21:51] <macvr> _MMA_: i'v noticed that too :(
[21:52] <macvr> _MMA_: btw since you are here, how are the latest uploads of the smileys?
[21:52] <_MMA_> ryanprior: I'm unsure he knows BZR. It's one reason I handle all that back-end stuff. So people can just create. And honestly I dont want him changing other things. I'd just rather he be sure of what he sends me. Like Sebastien.
[21:53] <_MMA_> macvr: Saw the mail, havent looked at them yet. Will soon. I'll lost likely upload tonight if they fit.
[21:53] <ryanprior> bzr probably has a GUI front-end that's at least as easy as e-mail
[21:54] <macvr> _MMA_: haha... you are truly tired.... you are making spelling mistakes :P
[21:54] <_MMA_> macvr: re: inconsistent style. It's mostly Daniel's submissions where he uses Oxygen.
[21:55] <_MMA_> ryanprior: it's called "Olive".
[21:55] <macvr> _MMA_: ^? I didnt understand
[21:55] <_MMA_> What don't you get?
[21:55] <macvr>  re: inconsistent style. It's mostly Daniel's submissions where he uses Oxygen.
[21:55] <_MMA_> and?
[21:56] <macvr> is that a reply about the smileys? it doesnt make sense to me?
[21:56] <_MMA_> The mail-* ones mostly.
[21:56] <_MMA_> "macvr: _MMA_: i'v noticed that too :(" <- Reply to that.
[21:57] <macvr> ok...
[22:04] <macvr> _MMA_: ... see ya later... and dont reject salma hayek ;P ... I used her as the reference for the face-kiss :P
[22:04]  * _MMA_ looks now
[22:06]  * _MMA_ likes Salma. (notes that macvr should at least capitalize peoples names) I don't know about the smirk.
[22:06]  * macvr knows Salma doesnt mind :P
[22:08] <macvr> I got fed up with the smirk... I gave up due to lack of fresh ideas... i mostly dont know how to do it better :(
[22:08] <_MMA_> Ok. Noted.
[22:17] <macvr> _MMA_: looks like James just lobbied for breathe... in ayatana list too
[22:18] <_MMA_> Where?
[22:19] <macvr> _MMA_: https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg00392.html ...
[22:20] <_MMA_> Oh that. Saw it bub didnt read yet.
[22:20] <_MMA_> *but
[22:20] <macvr> :)
[22:22] <kwwii> any suggestions for improvement: http://sinecera.de/games64.png ?
[22:22] <_MMA_> error
[22:23] <_MMA_> 404
[22:23] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/games48.png
[22:23] <kwwii> oops
[22:24] <_MMA_> Looks nice as it is. What is it for?
[22:25] <macvr> kwwii: maybe reduce the number of cards... the A is not clear...
[22:25] <kwwii> macvr: yeah, good point...I have thought of that as well
[22:25] <SiDi> mat_t didnt stay for long.. :D
[22:25] <kwwii> thanks for mentioning it
[22:25] <_MMA_> macvr: Well it kinda depends on the use-case.
[22:26] <macvr> or maybe choose another  number card
[22:26] <kwwii> he doesn't love me anymore
[22:26] <kwwii> macvr has a good point
[22:26] <kwwii> I thought about trying it but wanted to get a first reaction
[22:26] <SiDi> kwwii: some flowers, a chocolate box, a restaurant, and a walk on the beach during sunset, and he'll love you again !
[22:26] <macvr> 1 is probably the easiest :P
[22:27] <kwwii> well, there is no 1 card :p
[22:27] <macvr> i meant 10!
[22:27] <SiDi> macvr: sure :D
[22:27] <macvr> stupid keyboard !
[22:28] <_MMA_> Sure. ;)
[22:29] <macvr> well its only as good as it owner ! :(
[22:32] <_MMA_> macvr: Maybe face-kiss needs more lashes?
[22:32] <macvr> _MMA_: tried that ...it didnt look good...
[22:33] <_MMA_> k
[22:33] <_MMA_> Sebastien's weather-* icons are workin' out nice.
[22:33] <kwwii> why doesn't someone make the xdg place icons?
[22:34] <kwwii> please
[22:34] <macvr> _MMA_: for the appointment soon, did you use Sebastien's first version or the edits i had done?
[22:34]  * SiDi stopped trying to do icons, it ends up badly :D
[22:35] <macvr> SiDi: what happened to the notify-osd power icons?
[22:35] <macvr> nothing seems to be progressing...
[22:35] <SiDi> they're in one of my branches
[22:36] <macvr> oh...ok
[22:36] <SiDi> i'll wait before boring the devs with that
[22:36] <SiDi> its all coding now
[22:36] <SiDi> and i dont wanna code on g-p-m
[22:36] <SiDi> too much code
[22:52] <kwwii> oh well, time for sleep...see you all tomorrow
[22:53] <SiDi> good night kwwii
[22:54] <kwwii> night SiDi
[22:54] <kwwii> night _MMA_
[22:54] <_MMA_> night
[22:54] <kwwii> miss you being around all the time :(
[22:57] <_MMA_> :P