[00:40] <jdstrand> hamush: 'main' packages dapper are as well maintained with security updates as anything other release
[00:40] <jdstrand> s/packages/packages for/
[00:41] <jdstrand> that will continue to be the case for server components until June 2011
[00:41] <jdstrand> an announcement will be made this month regarding what specific packages will continue to be maintained
[00:41] <captainkirk> i have a question about cron jobs.  when system run cron job, results are different to typing the same series of command at the prompt
[00:42] <jdstrand> captainkirk: just passing through-- but it is likely that you are using 'bash' as your shell whereas cron uses /bin/sh (dash), not to mention PATH is likely different
[00:43] <captainkirk> jdstrand: ok, i will look into this
[02:29] <storrgie> most recent round of updates makes it so my md device doesnt start at startup
[02:29] <storrgie> help!
[06:11] <Alex_21> !RAID
[06:32] <Alex_21> Hello
[06:32] <Alex_21> I need to know. Do I put Root or SWAP at the beginning of the drive setup at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID#Installing
[06:33] <Alex_21> I am not sure. I mean. Do I partition the disk first and then make the RAID Aray, or do I make the Raid Aray and then partition?
[07:02] <Alex_21> thanks for helping
[07:02] <Alex_21> Good night
[07:03] <maga__> hello!
[07:24] <Preston> hello all
[12:06] <Ethos> anyone know a good free program to ping servers and email when down (simple) for linux?
[12:10] <alex_muntada> Ethos: we use mon at work, it's very simple to use and sends messages on alert by default
[12:11] <Ethos> "mon"?
[12:11] <Ethos> Cool, i'll take a look thanks mate
[12:14] <soren> Ethos: Nagios is the "blessed" option for that in Ubuntu.
[12:14] <soren> Ethos: It's in main and is officially supported.
[12:15] <Ethos> Yeah :\
[12:16] <Ethos> Nagios is awesome, don't get me wrong- but I only have 4 servers to monitor here
[12:16] <Ethos> And the setup of Nagios from when i've played with it- is a quite alot
[12:23] <soren> Ethos: I know it can be daunting, but if you've tried it before and know which parts you really need to touch and which ones you don't, it really doesn't take very long to set up. Like an hour or so for basic monitoring.
[12:26] <Ethos> I guess all I really want is ping and email is down
[12:26] <Ethos> Although services stopped would be quite handy, but I assume you need the n++ client on the servers then- which i'm not sure keen on
[12:27] <soren> You can do all the monitoring from the server.
[12:27] <soren> You don't need to go all nrpe.
[12:29] <Ethos> You have to put the n++ client on the win2k3 server tho to pull other stuff from it don't you?
[12:29] <Ethos> Or has that changed now
[12:30] <soren> I know nothing about "n++" nor monitoring win2k3 servers.
[12:30] <Ethos> Ok :)
[12:30] <soren> I *do* know, though, that nagios can monitor network services from the Nagios server.
[12:31] <Ethos> http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2008/07/how-to-monitor-remote-windows-machine-using-nagios-on-linux/
[12:32] <soren> Don't believe everything you read.
[12:32] <Ethos> lol
[12:32] <soren> That article explains *a* way to monitor Windows machines. Not *the* way.
[12:33] <soren> What specifically do you want to monitor?
[12:33] <soren> Ping, SMTP and IMAP or something?
[12:33] <giovani> this being #ubuntu-server ...
[12:33] <giovani> maybe a conversation on monitoring windows with nagios is best left to #nagios
[12:34] <soren> giovani: From Nagios' perspective, a network service is a network service, regardless of the OS on the remote host.
[12:34] <giovani> soren: correct
[12:34] <giovani> however, clearly this is a discussion of agent-based monitoring
[12:35] <soren> giovani: It really isn't.
[12:35] <soren> 11:27:54 < soren> You don't need to go all nrpe.
[12:36] <soren> Or nclient++ or whatever it's called.
[12:37] <soren> Ethos: As I was saying.. If you're monitoring network services, you can just use the check_{ping,smtp,imap} plugins in Nagios, which performs the monitoring from your Nagios server.
[12:38] <Ethos> Thanks mate, i'll look into it :)
[13:04] <alex_muntada> Ethos: FWIW, we also plan to move from mon to nagios sooner or later, mon is too simple
[13:10] <alex_muntada> soren: is there a way to find the "blessed" packages in ubuntu? i'm asking since nagios is not on the server guide index
[13:10] <alex_muntada> or maybe "main" is the "blessing" you were referring to?
[13:11] <dalfz> could anyone elaborate on the post-install script after I installed postfix? do I need to run it?
[13:12] <lamont> dalfz: it runs as part of the install process, from apt
[13:12] <soren> alex_muntada: Yes, it's the "being in main" thing.
[13:13] <dalfz> lamont, ah ok. i'm a bit confused, because shouldn't i get a sample main.cf file in etc/postfix?
[13:15] <lamont> not if you said "no configuration"
[13:15] <lamont> there's a stock config in /usr/share/doc/postfix somewhere
[13:15] <dalfz> if "no configuration" is default, then i said it
[13:16] <alex_muntada> dalfz: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh postfix ... if you want to change it
[13:17] <dalfz> thanks
[13:24] <ipsemet> ﻿using a internal DNS (ubuntu 8.04 and bind9) how do i do something like redirect bing.com to google.com so that when a user types www.bing.com they go to www.google.com
[13:39]  * mobi-sheep tells himself that censorship is a sad thing.
[13:41] <riz> ipsemet: one was is to create a zone for bing.com in your bind9 config and create a CNAME record for www.bing.com to google.com
[13:43] <ipsemet> so i would create a zone under named.config.local called "bing.com." and then go into the db file and make a record like "www.bing.com IN CNAME google.com." correct
[13:43] <riz> for the most part yes
[13:43] <ipsemet> most part?
[13:43] <riz> i'm not sure how you have your zone/DB files setup, so I can't help you there
[13:44] <_ruben> and then hope google's servers will allow http requests for www.bing.com
[13:45] <ipsemet> well i got it to work with "bing IN A [google's IP address]"
[13:45] <ipsemet> but not with the fqdn
[13:45] <riz> to use googles FQDN you would need to use CNAME records
[13:46] <riz> so something in bing.com's zone file "www   IN CNAME www.google.com"
[13:46] <ipsemet> k
[13:50] <ipsemet> my "@ IN A [local dns]" and "@ IN NS [local dns]" would stay the same as my local db file correct?
[13:51] <riz> yes
[13:52] <riz> just remember, this will also override anything like subdomain.bing.com
[13:52] <ipsemet> good
[13:52] <ipsemet> :)
[13:52] <riz> someone blocking for fun and profit :) good stuff
[13:55] <mobi-sheep> riz: Wouldn't it be easier to add a line in /etc/hosts ?  (ie google.com        bing.com)
[13:56] <riz> mobi-sheep: That would work just fine for the local system, not sure how it would affect clients doing querys against the bind9 install
[13:56] <riz> lemme check on that
[13:57] <riz> mobi-sheep: that will not work for clients running lookups againts the bind install
[14:00] <mobi-sheep> riz: I never dabble with servers (industry or home) but I would like to dabble with it eventually.  Internal DNS <--- Is that something where I set up a home server with nameserver and such, and any IP machines associated with the server via router would check that?
[14:03] <riz> mobi-sheep: in that case your more or less only going to need a cache only server. Your internal clients make requests to the cache server, it then goes out to the internet if it doesn't already know about it.
[14:04] <mobi-sheep> riz: Ah.  I see. Thanks for the knowledge. :)
[14:05] <riz> mobi-sheep: you could also add a zone for your local LAN hosts and have names for your lan clients
[14:06] <ipsemet> ok well bing.com doesn't work but it doesn't redirect to google
[14:06] <riz> ipsemet: what are the results of a host lookup for bing.com?
[14:07] <ipsemet> h/o
[14:08] <ipsemet> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/201481/
[14:10] <riz> ok, that should work. try host www.bing.com, you should end up with google.
[14:10] <ipsemet> www.bing.com is an alias for www.google.com.bing.com.
[14:10] <ipsemet> ^thats not right
[14:10] <ipsemet> :P
[14:11] <riz> ipsement: @       IN      A       192.168.1.2
[14:11] <ipsemet> ?
[14:11] <riz> that's the record that's giving you issues
[14:12] <riz> try @ IN CNAME google.com
[14:12] <ipsemet> ok so just ditch that one  what about the other NS record
[14:12] <ipsemet> kk
[14:12] <riz> the NS record is good
[14:25] <ipsemet> kk got diverted to a grunt job
[14:25] <ipsemet> back to DNS
[14:25] <ipsemet> username@DNS:~$ host -t any www.bing.com
[14:25] <ipsemet> Host www.bing.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[14:26] <riz> ipsemet: this is with the "@ IN CNAME google.com" line?
[14:26] <ipsemet> yes
[14:27] <ipsemet> www.bing.com returns an error in FF but bing.com goes to the homepage (which is strange)
[14:27] <ipsemet> company homepage that is
[14:28] <riz> do you still have the www  IN CNAME google.com record?
[14:28] <ipsemet> yes
[14:28] <riz> and that works?
[14:29] <ipsemet> well with that it makes bing.com unreachable but it doesn't redirect it to google.com
[14:29] <ipsemet> could that be google blocking it?
[14:29] <riz> possable
[14:29] <riz> does www.bing.com redirect?
[14:29] <ipsemet> no
[14:30] <ipsemet> let me try redirecting to a local page instead of to google.com
[14:30] <riz> ok, so it's very likely bind doesn't like CNAME records in the origin line (kinda half expected that but wasn't sure"
[14:31] <_ruben> @ cant be a cname indeed
[14:32] <ipsemet> kk
[14:32] <riz> thank you for confirming...I had never tried so I wasn't sure if it would work
[14:32] <ipsemet> here's my db file
[14:32] <ipsemet> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d6bfc0683
[14:32] <ipsemet> it works like that so i think google is blocking ja?
[14:33] <riz> no no, it was that you can't use CNAME's in the "@       IN      A       192.168.1.2" line
[14:33] <ipsemet> kk
[14:34] <riz> in that line, just remove the "@"
[14:34] <ipsemet> ok with the origin line back and www     IN      A       www.google.com  it doesn't redirect to google but instead redirects to company homepage
[14:34] <ipsemet> kk
[14:35] <_ruben> an A record cant point to a hostname
[14:36] <riz> acually, just noticed I could update that file...so did that
[14:36] <riz> lol
[14:36] <ipsemet> well i made that change and bing.com and www.bing.com go to company homepage
[14:39] <riz> your zone file is now that same as:http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m1316ace1 ?
[14:40] <ipsemet> yes
[14:40] <ipsemet> well minus the line without a @ and not www
[14:40] <ipsemet> idk where that came from
[14:41] <ipsemet> messed up when i copied
[14:43] <riz> hehe, ok, want to update that to your current exact file?
[14:44] <ipsemet> nvrm i just fixed it
[14:44] <ipsemet> :)
[14:44] <ipsemet> muhahahah
[14:44] <ipsemet> kk h/o
[14:45] <ipsemet> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d764aa2fb
[14:45] <ipsemet> that's what worked
[14:46] <riz> yeah, the www line can still be a CNAME, but the origin (the @ IN A) line will need to be a IP
[14:47] <ipsemet> kk thats good to know b/c i need to pull a few more bofh tricks
[14:47] <riz> try this
[14:47] <riz> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m29bf86e7
[14:48] <ipsemet> perfecto
[14:49] <ipsemet> awesome, thanks!
[14:49] <riz> np
[14:49] <riz> so for any domain you need todo this with, if you follow that template you should be golden
[14:50] <ipsemet> i'm waiting for "where did bing go?" :)
[14:50] <mm_202> Hey guys, what would be best to just sendout emails on ubuntu?  sendmail, exim4, postfix, etc...
[14:50] <riz> hehe, my old office we did that to facebook...was funny as hell
[14:51] <ipsemet> .hmm nice, this has sooo many possiblities
[14:51] <riz> mm_202: depends if your ISP allows you to send mail direct on port 25 or if you have send through their mail host
[14:52] <mm_202> rlz: I'll have to send it through their mailhost, but that's not a problem.  This is for a very simple, plain-text, automated report, so the easier, the better.
[14:52] <riz> mm_202: look into SSMTP then
[14:53] <riz> mm_202: is stupid simple to setup for things like system reports.
[14:53] <mm_202> riz: k, thank you!
[14:53] <mm_202> That is exactly what I need!
[14:58] <oruwork> is anyone here familiar with installing vtiger crm  ?
[15:26] <oruwork> i have a file vtigercrm-5.0.4.tar.gz how should i go about installing it ?
[15:27] <soren> I'm afraid this is unlikely to be the best channel for that question.
[15:27] <soren> There's a #vtiger channel. That might prove helpful.
[16:00] <nomoa> Hi, I can configure ip-up scripts on a client when it connect to a pptpd server but can I do ip-up scripts on the server when a client connect?
[16:04] <a1fa> bottleneck after bottleneck
[16:04] <a1fa> :)
[16:05] <a1fa>  Timing buffered disk reads:  104 MB in  3.03 seconds =  34.28 MB/sec
[16:05] <a1fa> it's a vicious circle
[16:05] <a1fa> 4x2.6Ghz Xeon, 4x1GB (4GB total) RAM
[16:06] <a1fa> and now damn hard-drive is bottle neck
[16:06] <a1fa> i wonder if lvm is the offending party
[16:14] <a1fa> it does not help i got raid-0, and lvm on top of that
[16:14]  * a1fa ducks
[16:29] <oruwork> how can i get character utf-8 support for one of my mysql databases ?
[16:30] <metalfan__> a1fa, wow, thats a slow drive. a recent 250gb sata drive can do ~60mb
[16:30] <a1fa> its a SCSI drive with 10k RPM
[16:30] <a1fa> it should be good for 200+ mb/s
[16:31] <metalfan__> oh, nice
[16:31] <metalfan__> Timing buffered disk reads:  220 MB in  3.00 seconds =  73.25 MB/sec                seagate 250gb, sata, about one year old. turion-m 64
[16:31] <a1fa> cool
[16:31] <a1fa> not bad
[16:31] <metalfan__> is something eating your cpu?
[16:31] <a1fa> i am going to reinstall this server and change raid to Raid 5
[16:32] <a1fa> and not use lvm on reinstall
[16:32] <metalfan__> my test is without lvm/raid
[16:32] <metalfan__> lvm will probaly reduce throughput, but not that much
[16:32] <a1fa> (raid 0 = teh suck)
[16:32] <BrixSat> hello
[16:33] <a1fa> raid 0+lvm = bad comb o
[16:33] <BrixSat> how do i install Bus 003 Device 002: ID 046d:092b Logitech, Inc. Labtec WebCam Plus
[16:33] <a1fa> BrixSat : is that a Cisco variant?
[16:34] <BrixSat> [a1fa] how can i know? it says on the box Latbtec Logitech webcam plus
[16:35] <BrixSat> ?
[16:36] <yann2_> hello :) is there a command that lists all the dependancies from a binary?
[16:36] <yann2_> which libraries it is linked to etc
[16:38] <maxb> ldd
[16:40] <yann2_> nice one thanks
[16:46] <BrixSat> ?
[17:00] <oruwork> is chmod 777 safe ?
[17:00] <oruwork> an installation tutorial tells me to change permission to chmod 777 of many files and directories
[17:10] <sgsax> oruwork: if by safe you mean "I don't care if anyone and everyone can write/rename/delete/execute files/dirs in that dir" then yes
[17:31] <oruwork> so how can i change permission back to its default after i did chmod 777 ?
[17:33] <ogra> easiest is to just restore your backup :)
[17:35] <a1fa> damn ibms
[17:36] <a1fa> x345 can only do raid 1
[17:36] <a1fa> :)
[17:36] <a1fa> and its a very lousy raid 1
[17:36] <a1fa> :(
[17:40] <jdarias> when i connect to my server using putty, some curses applications display their lines as "lqqqqqqqqqqqqqqk" and similar. i.e, centerim-utf8
[17:41] <jdarias> weechat displays the vertical line for the users as a column of x´s
[17:42] <jdarias> they look ok in screen, but using it brins some more trouble, specially with elinks
[17:47] <mathiaz> jdstrand: kees: mdeslaur: what's the state of bug 383300?
[17:48] <jdstrand> mathiaz: short answer-- it is being worked on
[17:49] <mathiaz> jdstrand: ok
[17:49] <jdstrand> mathiaz: longer answer-- we haven't released an update due to the upstream fix possibly breaking upstream applications, and we have to make sure that we make every effort to not break stuff
[17:49] <jdstrand> s/upstrea applications/existing applications/
[17:50] <mathiaz> jdstrand: right - you may wanna ask andrew if they can help in testing the update in -proposed
[17:50] <jdstrand> ok
[17:52] <sgsax> oruwork: sorry for the sarcastic response
[17:52] <sgsax> if you know what files you chmod'ed, they should probably be set back to 644 (dirs should still be 755)
[17:52] <sgsax> that's the usual default
[17:53] <ScottK> jdstrand: Are you still doing archive admin stuff?
[17:53]  * ScottK saw bugmail a little bit ago
[17:54] <jdstrand> ScottK: no, I'm done for today. I just tried to sneak stuff in before slangasek came online since I didn't have a chance to do it on Friday :)
[17:54] <ScottK> I see.
[17:54] <ScottK> I'll harass him in a bit about clamav then.
[17:54] <jdstrand> sounds good :)
[17:55] <ScottK> jdstrand: BTW, that one upgrade bug in Hardy from when we pushed 0.94.2 to -security looks like a "read the diff in the config file before accepting the new version" problem.  Not an actual bug.
[17:56] <jdstrand> oh good :)
[18:51] <mario_> Hello!
[18:51] <mario_> i am trying to compile openssh with ldap and get: configure: error: OpenSSL version header not found.
[18:51] <mario_> for what file is it looking exactly?
[18:52] <ScottK> Do you have the -dev package installed?
[18:53] <mario_> libssl-dev is installed
[19:15] <metalfan__> is ubuntu-server 9.04 compiled for i386/i686?
[19:21] <sommer> metalfan__: yes
[19:33] <metalfan__> sommer, you cant answer an or with a yes
[19:37] <sommer> metalfan__: oh but I can :-)
[19:37] <sommer> metalfan__: 686, misread your question
[19:37] <metalfan__> so a nehemiah should be able to run make on it?
[19:39] <SirStan> why might one use ubuntu server over debian?
[19:40] <ivoks> predictive life time
[19:42] <oruwork> is there a way to search for a line of text within multiple files, lets say all files in a directory ?
[19:42] <SirStan> grep "line of text" *
[19:42] <SirStan> grep "127.0.0.1" /etc/*
[19:42] <oruwork> with " ?
[19:43] <SirStan> Complete sentance please?
[19:43] <oruwork> with quotes or without ?
[19:43] <ivoks> with
[19:45] <oruwork> sudo grep "jpi_logo_transparent.png" /var/www
[19:45] <oruwork> doesnt return anything
[19:45] <oruwork> should be there though
[19:46] <oruwork> will it search for all the files including .php ?
[19:46] <sommer> oruwork: try sudo grep "jpi_logo_transparent.png" /var/www/*
[19:46] <sommer> oruwork: if you want subdirectories do sudo grep -R "jpi_logo_transparent.png" /var/www/*
[19:47] <oruwork> sommer-> oh thanx, i was putting -r
[19:47] <oruwork> still didnt find it :(
[19:47] <sommer> oruwork: you might also try -i for case insensitive
[19:48] <oruwork> not finding it :(
[19:48] <sommer> oruwork: I would say the string isn't there then
[19:49] <oruwork> its calling for a path to this logo file
[19:49] <oruwork> not sure which file its set in
[19:50] <oruwork> cuase it seems like i cant change it through the web browser
[19:51] <oruwork> http://pastebin.com/m3b293851
[19:57] <alex_muntada> oruwork: maybe that filename comes from a database?
[19:57] <oruwork> maybe
[19:58] <alex_muntada> i'd take a look at /var/www/selsovet.com/crm/include/tcpdf/tcpdf.php on line 3103 and above
[19:58] <alex_muntada> to find where the filename comes from
[20:13] <ivoks> my guess is that apache can't create /var/www/selsovet.com/test/logo directory
[20:13] <ivoks> or even the file
[20:45] <a1fa> ibm server is the shit
[20:45] <a1fa> literally
[20:45] <a1fa> what a POS
[20:45] <ivoks> :)
[21:20] <jsteel> Im trying to install 9.04 on my new core i7 servers. Unfortunately the server edition cant detect my hard drives and gives me an empty list at the partition menu. Desktop edition can see the drives fine though.
[21:21] <jsteel> Anybody have any clue as to how to fix the above problem?
[21:22] <_ruben> figure out which driver the desktop live cd uses for your disk controller(s), and then try to figure out why that driver isnt available in the server edition
[21:23] <jsteel> That was going to be my next step. Any hints on how to figure out why its not in the server edition?
[21:24] <ScottK> jsteel: The desktop live CD uses a completely different installer, so it's not stunning there would be differences.
[21:25] <jsteel> How do I tell exactly which driver is my disk controller? I have the lsmod and lshw output.
[21:41] <sgsax> jsteel: pastebin so we can see
[21:41] <sgsax> lspci would also be good
[21:56] <thierry_> hi, let's say I have ubuntu installed on a server and I want a bigger partition, can I simply make it bigger or I have to reinstall ubuntu completely
[21:58] <samd> whats the diference between ubuntu command line install and ubuntu server
[21:58] <sgsax> thierry_: you can boot to another livecd, increase your partition and filesystem size, then boot back to the boot hdd and it should be fine
[21:58] <sgsax> no need to reinstall
[21:59] <thierry_> sgsax : k nice, but simply using something like gparted directly from ubuntu wouldn't be a good idea?
[21:59] <sgsax> not with the partition mounted, no
[22:00] <thierry_> sgsax : k, good to know, thanks
[22:00] <jsteel> sgsax: http://pastebin.ca/1470300
[22:01] <jsteel> sorry for the delay. There is my lspci, lsmod, and lshw
[22:01] <sgsax> if it's not one that needs to be mounted (like /, /var, /home) for the system to run, then you can just unmount it and run gparted on it
[22:03] <sgsax> ok, so it's an Intel ICH10 family controller
[22:03] <jsteel> Yah, so whats the driver?
[22:03] <jsteel> All I know is lots of people have been having trouble with that controller.
[22:03] <sgsax> I don't see any sata controller modules listed in that lsmod
[22:04] <sgsax> this is from the install cd or the hdd boot?
[22:04] <sgsax> yeah, new Intel stuff is typically problematic
[22:05] <jsteel> This is from a desktop live cd. I mounted the hard drive before I ran the commands.
[22:06] <jsteel> oh wait... No I didn't mount it. I just created a file system. I will mount it and rerun the commands. 1 second.
[22:06] <sgsax> I see a recommendation on a forum to go into the BIOS and see if you can set the controller to use AHCI mode
[22:08] <sgsax> well, the module has to be loaded before you mount it, so it should still be listed
[22:08] <jsteel> I tried setting it to AHCI, IDE, RAID... none of them worked.
[22:08] <jsteel> All the same results.
[22:09] <sgsax> in ahci mode, can you run "modprobe ahci"?
[22:10] <sgsax> udev should pick it up, but maybe not
[22:11] <sgsax> I do wish Intel would quit revamping their chipsets
[22:11] <jsteel> http://pastebin.ca/1470321 has the new results
[22:11] <sgsax> or if they did, they would get kernel modules pushed out faster
[22:11] <jsteel> sure ill try the modprobe. 1 more sec
[22:12] <sgsax> I'm just looking at the lsmod output to see if there are any ata-related modules getting loaded
[22:12] <jsteel> Yah no kidding. Now I have 10 servers sitting here waiting
[22:14] <samd> whats the diference between ubuntu command line install and ubuntu server
[22:15] <jsteel> I should try that too, the command line install of desktop edition
[22:16] <sgsax> haven't done a commandline install, not really much different
[22:16] <sgsax> think it just dumps you directly to debconf install, without any gui
[22:18] <samd> umm, i want to make an apache2 server and also serve a printer in my local network, ive made that with the command line install, but just wondering if the server edition would e easier , or Safer?
[22:19] <sgsax> I prefer to run LTS server install on my servers
[22:19] <sgsax> server because the default package set is much smaller than desktop
[22:19] <samd> sgsax: even smaller than the command line install?
[22:19] <sgsax> LTS so I get that warm, fuzzy, "Enterprisey" feeling
[22:20] <sgsax> can't say, I've never compared the two
[22:20] <samd> sgsax: lts would be hardy rite?
[22:20] <sgsax> yes
[22:20] <sgsax> I'm not a bleeding edge kindof guy when it comes to servers
[22:20] <jsteel> haha. I wasn't either until I bought these ICH10 intel ones :(
[22:20] <jsteel> No more LTS for me
[22:21] <sgsax> yes well, that's your own problem :)
[22:21] <sgsax> that is the drawback to LTS, new hardware doesn't like the older kernel
[22:22] <sgsax> looks like hardy has 2.6.24, and I believe the AHCI stuff isn't until 2.6.27
[22:22] <sgsax> you can always roll your own kernel, don't need to use the package
[22:23] <samd> LTS is not a problem for me, im installing server in a 9 yr old box
[22:23] <sgsax> then hardware should not be a problem
[22:24] <sgsax> samd: to answer your original question, I think once you have the basic system up and keep it patched, the path to how you got there is not terribly important
[22:25] <sgsax> apt-get install apache is the same on both
[22:27] <samd> sgsax: thanks, another question, when u install the server version, u get prompted if u want to set up some services (cups, ssh , etc), at least that was when i did a server install long time ago, so if ill be serving, that would save me some time setting up some services rite?
[22:27] <samd> or that option is not available anymor?
[22:27] <jsteel> I thought about rolling my own kernel and staying at LTS, but then that would probably be just as much work as just going with the more frequent 6 month releases.
[22:28] <sgsax> samd: no the server install does present you with basic service options
[22:29] <sgsax> but they are just an easy way to select apache, bind, postfix, etc.
[22:29] <sgsax> if you know what the packages are that you need just apt-get install them
[22:29] <sgsax> jsteel: not necessarily
[22:30] <sgsax> just keep the .config file and copy it to the new kernel dir
[22:30] <samd> sgsax: ahh ight, thanks, anyway  i think ill go by installing the server edition
[22:30] <jsteel> ok. I did modprobe ahci during the server install.
[22:30] <sgsax> samd: whatever works for you, do it
[22:30] <jsteel> modprobe ahci returned that the module is not installed
[22:30] <sgsax> is it compiled?
[22:31] <jsteel> how do I tell?
[22:31] <samd> sgsax: ight, thanks for the time
[22:31] <sgsax> samd: np
[22:31] <sgsax> jsteel: you can try 'find /lib -iname "ahci.*"'
[22:32] <sgsax> and you should see ahci.ko somewhere in there
[22:32] <sgsax> I should think that it would be there
[22:32] <jsteel> I was poking around in there and couldnt find it. Then ran your find command an its not there.
[22:33] <jsteel> Could it be that it just got missed when they made this install?
[22:33] <sgsax> I found mine in /lib/modules/2.6.24-23-server/kernel/drivers/ata/ahci.ko
[22:33] <sgsax> seems odd that it would be missing
[22:33] <jsteel> I only see pata and sata in there
[22:34] <sgsax> it is posible that it is compiled in the kernel and not as a module
[22:34] <jsteel> How would I get my hand on the config of the install kernel?
[22:34] <sgsax> look in /boot
[22:35] <sgsax> there should be a config-2.6.xx file in there corresponding to your current kernel
[22:35] <sgsax> grep it for AHCI
[22:35] <jsteel> there is no /boot
[22:35] <sgsax> that would be a problem
[22:35] <sgsax> you still booted to the cd?
[22:36] <jsteel> Yah. Its at the partition menu
[22:37] <sgsax> you've installed on this drive already, right?
[22:37] <jsteel> Yes. On another computer though.
[22:38] <sgsax> let me back up a minute
[22:38] <sgsax> booted to the install CD, it can see the drive, correct?
[22:39] <jsteel> No. I boot to the install CD, it asks about raid, I say Yes or No, then partition menu comes up and there are no disks to select
[22:39] <sgsax> ok, so not even the install CD can load a proper controller driver
[22:39] <jsteel> Right.
[22:39] <jsteel> But the desktop edition does.
[22:39] <sgsax> which install CD are you using?
[22:40] <jsteel> I do get an error if I say yes to enabling the RAID
[22:40] <jsteel> That may be a hint at the problem.
[22:42] <jsteel> If I say Yes to enable the RAID, syslog reports: disk-detect: ERROR: either the required RAID set not found or (funny character, newline)re options required
[22:43] <jsteel> Im using 9.04 server amd64
[22:43] <jsteel> Same thing happens with the minimal install cd
[22:45] <sgsax> I'm stumped
[22:46] <sgsax> my google fu says if you set the bios to use the sata controller in ahci mode, the install cd should be able to recognize it
[22:47] <sgsax> I can't imagine they would put a different kernel version on the amd64 install CD
[22:47] <sgsax> that would be old enough to not include ahci modules
[22:47] <jsteel> And I cant try the i386 on these boxes right?
[22:48] <sgsax> theoretically, it should work
[22:48] <jsteel> Hmmm. Well maybe I'll give that a try then.
[22:48] <sgsax> sorry I can't be of more help, I'm out of ideas
[22:48] <jsteel> Thats ok. You have been a big help. Thanks a lot.
[22:49] <sgsax> sure
[22:50] <jsteel> If you are on tomorrow I'll let you know if the i386 works. I have to download it first.
[23:33] <matt1211> Hi, is there a way to print documents in terminal?
[23:37] <jmedina> matt1211: of course, use lpr
[23:57] <shunobies> Could someone tell me how to find out your ip address in terminal