[00:00] gn8 neversfelde [00:00] naj, ninja school I would call it [00:00] sure 2 weeks each summer :D [00:01] Mamarok: btw im free for the next 4 weeks,if you guys need a helping hand,just call on me,but you will have to teach me how package things,i dont know a thing about it :) [00:02] shadeslayer: hm, bug triaging would be a good start then, and reading the packaging guides [00:02] Mamarok: ill start right away :D [00:02] shadeslayer: check with hsitter, he is the slave master here :) [00:03] actually I made JontheEchidna slave master :P [00:03] Mamarok: im already having a chat with him :) [00:04] oh, you gave him your whip? [00:04] shadeslayer: there should be some packaging tutorial from some ubuntuweek or devweek irc talk [00:04] Mamarok: not the real one [00:05] hsitter: sure ill google it :)..... [00:06] hsitter: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/HandsOn ?? [00:06] something else [00:06] in any case there a loads of tutorials in the ubuntu wiki [00:06] shadeslayer: check for OpenWeek or Classroom minutes [00:08] Mamarok: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekfeisty/packaging [00:08] pretty old :P [00:08] hsitter: yeah..i noticed [00:10] hsitter: btw neonmake didnt run properly...did you see the paste? [00:10] yes, you need to install libx11-dev [00:14] hsitter: CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-2.6/Modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:57 (MESSAGE): Could NOT find GMP (missing: GMP_INCLUDE_DIR GMP_LIBRARIES) [00:15] libgmp-dev [00:15] or something similar named [00:16] hsitter: libgmp-ocaml-dev ?? [00:16] or libgmp3-dev [00:16] that one [00:18] hsitter: no offence but do the devels get paid by canonical or are they doing this as a side job ? [00:19] most of us spend their spare time [00:19] hsitter: http://pastebin.com/d22baabd9 [00:19] ok [00:19] shadeslayer: libboost-dev [00:20] thats alot of libraries :) [00:20] will software-properties-kde live on? if it does i'd fix bug 116445 [00:20] Launchpad bug 116445 in software-properties "[kde] software-properties-kde does not check if apt lines are valid" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116445 [00:28] gn8 everyone :) [00:29] freinhard, valid as in "really exist" or as in "well-formatted"? [00:29] as in well formatted i guess [00:30] already implemented [00:30] but can't figure out how to get the bzr commit that implemented it [00:34] hmm doesn't add it to the list in software-properties-kde but adds it to /etc/apt/sources.list [00:45] * yuriy likes how bug 18995, a major bug noone's managed to fix in 5 years, with a comment on it saying "I don't think we've got the effort available to fix this in Ubuntu", is a papercut [00:45] Launchpad bug 18995 in hundredpapercuts "[MASTER] "Open With" dialog not user-friendly" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18995 [00:45] oh well, hope it gets fixed === nellery_ is now known as nellery [00:59] hmmm ... providing a kubufox would also make a nice papercut :D [01:01] papercut is a small thing [01:01] kubufux aint is no small [01:01] neither is redoing the open with dialog [01:03] * yuriy thinks shtylman should give it a go since he now knows all about conquering foreign open dialogs [01:03] well for example exchanging the gnome HIG Cancel|OK acheme to OK|Cancel is just a one line in css FF config file [01:04] valgaav: interested in starting such a package? : ) [01:04] packaging things really seems to diffcult for me ;/ [01:05] aside from using checkinstall :P [01:05] * shtylman thinks yuriy is evil for suggesting such madness :) [01:07] valgaav: well, a wiki page with precise instructions for all such customizations in one place would be a good start [01:08] that's not really a problem and I could write it [01:08] yuriy: Tonio_ wanted to start some kubufox thingy [01:08] though my english is not that bad [01:08] not that good :P [01:08] * hsitter thinks the name should be firefox-kubuntu though [01:08] anyway [01:08] off to bed [01:09] I have quite nice integration with this one line in css , kgtk for file dialogs and external theme [01:09] yuriy, hsitter: the main problem with firefox is files associations [01:09] not the dialogs, although I'd like it ti be done to [01:10] there is something to be done on that side, for which I have the base of code too [01:10] yo [01:10] although an extension for default shortcuts and basic settings [01:10] as well as packaging that notifications for kde4 things should be done... [01:10] I hope I can do it in this cycle, but there is still so much to do :) [01:11] it's also quite not userfriendly that ubufox is installed by default [01:12] the first things was to write a binary that would dump kde file associations in a file that we can read from firefox within an extension [01:12] that's done already and works [01:12] using apt-get -no-recommends well most people don't know about it :) [01:12] valgaav: yup, it should be in the gnome seed, but not as a dep [01:12] I agree [01:12] we have to ping firefox packagers for that [01:15] valgaav: or ubuntufox should depend on firefox, not the opposite [01:21] As for reverse buttons one has to edit or make file in .mozilla/firefox/..../chrome/userChrome.css with the content like this http://pastebin.ca/1470524 [01:22] took my quite a while to google up that hack [01:23] valgaav: any hack to move preferences to the tools menu? :D [01:23] whoa: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/kdm/kfrontend/themes/oxygen-air/screenshot.png?revision=981125&view=markup [01:23] :O [01:23] yuriy: nope ... but I also wanted to move that [01:25] Ijust disabled the menu with an addon called "personal menu" and I'm using a customized menu from it [01:39] valgaav: hmm doesn't seem to do it for me [01:39] the buttons ? [01:40] yeah [01:40] that's in home folder [01:40] mhmm [01:41] /home/.mozilla ... [01:42] you mean /home/yuriy/.mozilla... [01:42] /home/valgaav/.mozilla/firefox/d6r9xj4c.default/chrome ... something like that [01:43] yeah I got it, but it doesn't seem to work here [01:43] I'm on FF 3.0 [01:43] oh print dialog looks right [01:44] that's about it though [01:44] file save dialog is right for me too [01:44] the Save Cancel one when you try to download a file [01:45] that hack doesn't work for GTK+ file dialog [01:45] what do you have? [01:46] for the file gtk file dialog ? :) [01:50] http://imagebin.ca/view/vkxKFHU.html <- my GTK+ dialog, using only QtCurve in karmic [01:50] FF 3.5 [01:50] http://imagebin.ca/view/F1HwOsn.html this is the dialog I was talking about [01:51] JontheEchidna: for that kgtk is imho better [01:51] much hackier too [01:53] yes well ... I'm using it for quite a while and with FF no problems with it [01:53] it doesn't work as good for some other apps though... [01:53] Where can I find a list of packages in the Ubuntu NEW queue? I have a replacement for a less-than-perfect libqinfinity package apachelogger uploaded for me last night (or the night before)... Was there someone interested in uploading it? [01:54] ryanakca: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+queue [01:54] JontheEchidna: thanks [02:06] If anybody is interested in uploading the fixed package, you can get the source by dget'ing http://packages.ryanak.ca/ubuntu/pool/main/libq/libqinfinity/libqinfinity_1.0~beta3-0ubuntu1.dsc [02:28] seele: what's the preferred way to do input validation on a line edit? [02:49] yuriy: context? i'm not sure what you mean [02:58] if you have an input field where some things are legal and some aren't [02:59] by default a qlineedit + qvalidator just reject input if it'll lead to an illegal value [02:59] which is nice and all if you just want numbers or something, but if it's something like the username has to start with a lowercase letter I htink the user needs a hint [03:02] * yuriy should check what ubiquity does on that one [05:16] rgreening: I just ordered a Dell mini 10v. That gives you a week or so to get the usb creator working. [05:17] lol [05:18] it work. but has bugs [05:18] * ScottK cracks the whip. [05:18] and needs packaging [05:18] heh [05:59] ScottK, +1 :-) [06:36] NCommander: how is you yeelong? :) [06:59] freeflying, not too happy :-/ [06:59] freeflying, it seems it has a hardware bug which hangs it hard when I peg the processor [07:00] I'm hoping a kernel pops out of the woodworks to kludge around the issue [07:10] NCommander: seems cause by toolchains [07:10] freeflying, indicently caused compiling a toolchain :-) === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin === shadesla1er is now known as shadeslayer === zorael_ is now known as Zorael [12:14] if anybody needs a free ticket for the LinuxTag in Berlin this week, ping me === milian_ is now known as milian [12:26] is there an svn for kde 4.3 plasmoids? [12:26] just the plasmoids === foursixnine is now known as santiago-ve === m4v_ is now known as m4v [12:42] hiho [12:59] shadeslayer: depends on which plasmoids, as they are in kdebase, kdeplasma-addons, playground/base/plasma atleast [13:03] Tm_T: i want the show desktop one and the network manager [13:04] networkmanager is in playground and show desktop is in kdebase IIRC [13:04] Tm_T: could you provide me the link ? [13:05] shadeslayer: are you sure you know what you're doing? as building separate plasmoids from svn is not an easy task [13:06] Tm_T: hmm.... well i need them for nightly...and i thought that maybe i could compile them on my own..is that a good thing? [13:06] not really [13:07] Tm_T: ok,ill have a word with hsitter before doing this [13:09] Tm_T: one small thing.. suppose i compiled something from a SVN checkout and then i rename that folder...nothing will be affected right? [13:10] affected in svn? no, as you cannot "touch" svn server without rights really [13:10] Tm_T: no i mean on my HD... [13:10] Tm_T: suppose the folder was xyz and i renamed it to SVN [13:10] depends [13:11] cmake hardcode path sometimes, so you may have to rebuild the thing [13:11] no idea for other build tools [13:11] smarter: so should i recompile or wait for something to crash :P [13:11] ill recompile just to be safe :) [13:11] yeah, no harm in doing that (: [13:19] rebuilding :) [13:29] Tm_T: hehe...i just found binaries of what i was trying to install :P [14:10] What needs to be done to get device (iPod/etc) support fixed in Amarok2? [14:11] Riddell: check this page in arora... http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/ [14:12] Riddell: video isn't working for arora there... and it's supposed to [14:12] lol === fjlacoste is now known as flacoste [14:26] OMG.. I didn't know you could search scrollback text in Konsole... what an awesome feature!!!!!! [14:28] is there a way i can tell if a stacktrace i have from a crash has already been uploaded to bugs.kde.org? [14:29] maco: it requires a bit of intelligent searching [14:29] look for a unique function name, and try that [14:29] like if the backtrace had Plasma::crashHereWhenCalled [14:30] searching for crashHereWhenCalled would more likely than not bring up related backtraces, if there are any [14:31] ScottK: can you upload digikam from my ppa for fixing dependency wait? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam/2:1.0.0~beta1-1ubuntu1 [14:39] i get the impression not many people use DrKonqi [14:40] because i get a few crashes a day, and they haven't turned out to be dupes [14:44] rickspencer3: ping [14:44] I seele [14:44] I mean "Hi seele" [14:44] 'sup? [14:45] hi [14:45] so i'm still unsure how kubuntu's papercuts fit in with the papercut project [14:45] i thought dave said they would be included in the milestones [14:45] but i dont see any listed in launchpad [14:46] seele: not sure, hold on [14:49] hey seele [14:50] hi [14:50] i had some questions about papercuts [14:50] i thought kubuntu ones were going to be included in the milestones? [14:51] yes, please add them [14:51] ok.. how do i do that? [14:52] click on one of the little arrow things to edit bug status [14:52] ok [14:52] then you get a milestone combobox [14:53] and pick the round-N you want to assign the bug to [14:53] i dont have a milestone combobox [14:53] i'm not part of the hundredpapercuts project, is that why? [14:54] I was told everyone could add to milestones [14:54] hmm [14:54] ok, I can add them for you === ejat is now known as e-jat [14:54] do you want to tell me which papercuts you want milestone-d [14:55] the design team owns the project, so I don't think we can add you to it [14:55] let me ask [14:55] 379192 389744 389658 .. i'm still finding people to work on the other confirmed bugs [14:55] so are we :) [14:55] Tm_T: shadeslayer is eagles mark 2 [14:56] djsiegel_: yes, but you are more likely to find them than me [14:56] Tm_T: don't let him get away with support in here - he's been told about the dagers/lack of support of running kde nightly builds without a proper understanding [14:56] should i just email you with future milestones? [14:56] ikonia: how did I support? [14:56] seele: I am being told that you can add bugs to milestones [14:57] ikonia: I merely pointed where the swamp is [14:58] Tm_T: no no, wasn't saying you did, just pointing out this conversation has been had before so don't let him use here as support [14:58] djsiegel_: uhm.. i dont see a milestone dropdown box [14:58] * seele kicks launchpad [14:58] seele: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/217582/milestone.jpg [14:58] you don't have that? [14:59] nope [14:59] i can't even edit importance, heh [15:01] ikonia: roger roger, son (: [15:02] hmm [15:03] seele, if you see any papercuts that look suitable for a never-touched-qt-before newbie, point me to them [15:04] i need something to learn on [15:05] hmm [15:05] maco: any of the papercuts i assign ought to be simple, not sure about any bugs the triagers might assign [15:05] but not all of them might be qt bugs, some of them are improving defaults, etc. [15:06] ok [15:06] oh [15:06] maco: i have two bugs for you, they might be boring/tedious but they're peeves of mine for a long time [15:06] bug 389751 [15:06] Launchpad bug 389751 in hundredpapercuts "Change "abort" to "close" or "cancel" in default KDE apps" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/389751 [15:07] i just know the first 10 list for gnome made me go "O_O yes, small bugs, but those are going to require building quite a bit of code behind most of those, and at least a few days worth of thinking & researching on libs" [15:07] maco: ^^ fix a bunch of labels.. there are a lot so start with applications first and not worry about the debugging errors yet [15:07] kk [15:08] then there is a similar one for get hot new stuff, but that is more complicated [15:08] bug 390226 [15:08] Launchpad bug 390226 in hundredpapercuts "Make KDE Get Hot New Stuff button labels consistent" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390226 [15:08] the "dim icons on cut" one for nautilus....that doesnt look easy to me, but i guess to someone that knows gtk & glib well it's not an issue [15:08] maco: ^^ there are multiple ways people are calling knewstuff and so the buttons and labels are inconsistent [15:08] some use the KNS class and others just create their own button [15:09] so that would be more interesting programming probably. the upstream person for KNS is jpwhiting if you need background/help [15:09] he is usually very helpful and i know he would appreciate someone working on that [15:09] but 389751 is definitely easier. [15:10] alright, i'll take a look at those [15:10] thanks [15:22] seele: sorry, my computer decided to melt [15:23] djsiegel: that's ok.. i'm still here :) [15:35] ok, seele, sorry [15:36] can you give me a bug to milestone for friday? [15:42] djsiegel: we are currently working on 379192 389744 389658 [15:42] do you want all of those for friday, or just the first? [15:45] just the first one [15:45] my goal is one a week so that we get 10-15 done by the end of the project [15:46] you can assign the other two to the next milestones if you want [15:53] hsitter: ping a ling ling [15:54] i think i'll have reported all of kontact's crashes by the end of the week [16:01] anyone on karmic upgrade to the new kernel and have any issues? ie. black screen of death? [16:02] da black skereen of dooooooooooooooooooooooooom [16:03] nixternal: latest ? 2.6.30-9 ? [16:06] claydoh: pong [16:07] nixternal: is it have issues ? [16:07] i havent upgrade it yet .. but if there is .. i better not to upgrade it 1st :) [16:08] i'm on -9 ...seems fine [16:09] well, my wireless went back to sucking [16:09] maco: me too .. but .. just doing the update .. there is new upgrade for kernel [16:09] but nothin' modprobe -r and modprobe can't fix ;) [16:09] oh [16:09] nixternal: ?? [16:11] fenris-: 2.6.30-10 [16:11] got issues with it ? [16:11] lets try it ..!! [16:11] hehe [16:16] upgrading .. [16:23] is there a way to split a bug up? bug 388714 has multiple issues [16:23] Launchpad bug 388714 in kpackagekit "Usability flaws in kpackagekit, Kubuntu Karmic Alpha 2, KDE 4.3 Beta 2" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/388714 [16:27] yeah, file more bugs ;) [16:27] lp has no system of dependencies though [16:28] which is a shame TBH [16:29] bug 95419 [16:29] Launchpad bug 95419 in malone "Record dependencies between bugs" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95419 [16:33] agreed [16:33] that was nice to find in rt [16:36] JontheEchidna, are you jonathan thomas? [16:36] maco: yup [16:37] ah ok so you're grabbing all the bugs i've been shoving through drkonqi [16:37] oh, I was? [16:37] yes [16:37] * JontheEchidna looks back [16:37] hey, those were you [16:37] :) [16:37] aye [16:37] i like drkonqi :D it tells me when i need more -dbg packages [16:38] ultimately it would tell you which ones ;-) [16:38] the kde bugsquad got tired of asking peeps to install them ;-) [16:38] ive got another here for kde daemon waiting for me to click next a bunch of times [16:38] hsitter, yeah well... OH hey you're apachelogger. why the nick change? [16:38] I wanted to get JontheEchidna to do a nick change ;-) === JontheEchidna is now known as jmthomas [16:38] i was thinking about making a wiki page listing which -dbg to grab for which apps [16:38] does one already exist? [16:39] I think one might [16:39] It'll take a bit to find though [16:39] and that's probably a problem [16:39] yeah...thatd be a problem [16:40] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting [16:41] hum, no -dbg help [16:41] but that was the page I was thinking of [16:42] so should i add a table of apps & -dbg packages to the end of that? [16:42] that'd be great [16:43] or rather, start a table and then let people who know what's what fill in what i can't [16:44] is openoffice.org with kde4 ready for testing? [16:45] * Quintasan forgot to check PPA's [16:46] jmthomas: how does one get setup.py to not install to usr/local? [16:46] Quintasan: so it is ready for testing? [16:47] hsitter: I asked Shtylman to ping me when he's done with PPA but it looks like he forgot, or he's not done yet [16:48] Quintasan: well, ask launchpad [16:48] you can search ppas there [16:48] somewhere [16:49] hsitter: maybe do something like this? setup.pys are my secret weak point: http://paste.ubuntu.com/202213/ [16:51] --install-layout=deb did the trick [16:51] * hsitter finds it weird that there is no --prefix= though [16:51] hsitter: I don't quite understand your ping from yesterday [16:51] claydoh: probably better that way ;-) [16:51] claydoh: nvm it [16:51] jmthomas, anything special needed for kded? [16:51] oh wait... [16:52] nevermind [16:52] drkonqi answered that by giving me 3 stars [16:52] hsitter: the post in question was from 2008 iirc :) [16:52] kded... that's part of runtime iirc [16:52] claydoh: well, does that mean he died by now? :P [16:52] hsitter, python setup.py install --help ? [16:53] maco: didn't help much [16:53] maco: oh, kde4libs, so you'd want kdelibs5-dbg [16:53] yeah i have that. thats one you pretty much always need [16:53] yeah [16:55] FYI for those of you on karmic: Do not update to the newer kernel if you are using Intel graphics [16:55] alright, i put the only two apps i knew https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting#Crashes [16:55] nixternal, thanks [16:55] np [16:56] you can get x back with editing your boot stuff in grub, but you get bad X and no compositing and a super slow machine :) [17:01] dont need compositing, but no X...alright then [17:01] hsitter: Feel like uploading the fixed libqinfinity and then kobby? [17:01] is it that they just made kms default and you have graphics that suck with kms, or is it a bad driver? [17:03] nixternal: whats wrong with newer kernel? [17:05] hsitter: it means i am too lazy to read the 6 page thread to see what it is all about :) [17:05] nixternal: I've got an intel (4500) and using latest updates (I'm also on grub2 if that matters)... works here. [17:05] claydoh: good point :D [17:06] ryanakca: got qinfinity through NEW yet? [17:06] otherwise I think the fixed upload will fail, unless some nice archive admin feels like rejecting it now [17:06] hsitter: Not through, usually it takes a month and a bit [17:06] hsitter, you want me drag sarah in? [17:07] ryanakca: I mean in ubuntu [17:07] maco: is she awake at all? [17:07] * hsitter is wondering why she is not in here though [17:07] hm thats probably a good question [17:07] she's away in #u-w [17:08] * hsitter ask the mighty plasma clock [17:08] maco: prolly asleep [17:08] 2am over there [17:08] oh [17:08] oh right (o|n)z [17:08] hsitter: hmm... LP says it's still in the queue [17:09] ryanakca: go find an archive admin to reject it [17:09] jr is away I think [17:10] Scott K is away this week too? [17:11] rgreening: are you using the 2.6.30-10.12 kernel? [17:11] think so [17:11] hsitter: I am pinging the dude anyway :) [17:12] * hsitter got 4 years of ruby experience [17:12] not even half as long c++ [17:12] no wonder I am quite the ruby biatch [17:13] yeah nixternal [17:13] hsitter: Done, I'll get you a link to the fixed version, just a sec [17:13] https://www.ohloh.net/p/project-neon/contributors/585657445522343 [17:15] hsitter: http://packages.ryanak.ca/ubuntu/pool/main/libq/libqinfinity/libqinfinity_1.0~beta3-0ubuntu1.dsc [17:17] ryanakca: uploaded, get whoever rejected it to approve it :P [17:17] then we can go ahead with kobby [17:18] ohloh claims that most of my stuff is extremely well commented [17:18] I guess that is a good thing :D [17:20] hsitter: Ah, he's "Away - off for the night" :/ [17:20] find another admin then [17:20] someone must be on archive duty today [17:20] probably the wiki will know [17:22] i just asked in #ubuntu-devel [17:22] hsitter: Tuesday: JonathanRiddell [17:22] oh, is it tue again? :S [17:22] maco: thx :) [17:23] *git pull* [17:24] kubotu: hi [17:24] salut hsitter! [17:24] maco++ [17:24] kubotu: karma maco [17:24] karma for maco: 1 [17:24] ah, well, better than negative karma after all :D [17:24] haha [17:25] hm [17:25] is cjwatson an archive admin? because he's the one that said "yes" when i asked if there were any around [17:25] maco: AFAIK yes [17:25] ok. i said what needed to be done, but no response on that yet. they're discussing the intel graphics issues [17:25] * hsitter is wondering why ubuntu devs don't have a developer irc cloak [17:27] Nightrose: ping [17:27] who maintains kdesudo? [17:28] kees: tonio [17:28] hsitter: have they been around lately? [17:28] hsitter: hmmm... should the Maintainer: in ubuntu be the kubuntu-devel or ubuntu-motu team for kobby? It was kubuntu-devel for libqinfinity? [17:28] kees, he's here during sensible french times [17:29] it's 18:30 in CEST :P [17:29] kees: yesterday he was around, but he is founding his own company so he is kinda short on time ... I recommend you drop a mail to kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com :) [17:30] ryanakca: both are good, we will supersed-sync once they are in debian anyway [17:30] hsitter: okay, cool. I was hoping to get the patch in bug 281877 applied and released. it's not technically a security issue, but it is a kind of ugly bug. [17:30] Launchpad bug 281877 in kdesudo "kdesudo crashed with SIGSEGV in strlen()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/281877 [17:30] hsitter: OK, thanks [17:30] kees: https://edge.launchpad.net/kdesudo [17:31] * kees nods [17:33] oh dear, my extragear release script is almost bigger than project neon [17:34] hsitter: I'm off for lunch, if kobby's karmic build doesn't choke, I'll upload it for you to review :) [17:34] I suppose that either means that the structure of the extreagear release script is quite horrible or the one of neon incredibly good [17:34] ryanakca: did kern upload that as well to debian? [17:35] otherwise it needs to go through revu for 2nd ack [17:35] hsitter: No, he said he'd wait until libqinfinity got through before uploading it. And will do. [17:35] okies [17:48]