[00:00] <Mamarok> gn8 neversfelde
[00:00] <Mamarok> naj, ninja school I would call it
[00:00] <hsitter> sure 2 weeks each summer :D
[00:01] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: btw im free for the next 4 weeks,if you guys need a helping hand,just call on me,but you will have to teach me how package things,i dont know a thing about it :)
[00:02] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: hm, bug triaging would be a good start then, and reading the packaging guides
[00:02] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ill start right away :D
[00:02] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: check with hsitter, he is the slave master here :)
[00:03] <hsitter> actually I made JontheEchidna slave master :P
[00:03] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: im already having a chat with him :)
[00:04] <Mamarok> oh, you gave him your whip?
[00:04] <hsitter> shadeslayer: there should be some packaging tutorial from some ubuntuweek or devweek irc talk
[00:04] <hsitter> Mamarok: not the real one
[00:05] <shadeslayer> hsitter: sure ill google it :).....
[00:06] <shadeslayer> hsitter: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/HandsOn ??
[00:06] <hsitter> something else
[00:06] <hsitter> in any case there a loads of tutorials in the ubuntu wiki
[00:06] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: check for OpenWeek or Classroom minutes
[00:08] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekfeisty/packaging
[00:08] <hsitter> pretty old :P
[00:08] <shadeslayer> hsitter: yeah..i noticed
[00:10] <shadeslayer> hsitter: btw neonmake didnt run properly...did you see the paste?
[00:10] <hsitter> yes, you need to install libx11-dev
[00:14] <shadeslayer> hsitter: CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-2.6/Modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:57 (MESSAGE): Could NOT find GMP (missing: GMP_INCLUDE_DIR GMP_LIBRARIES)
[00:15] <hsitter> libgmp-dev
[00:15] <hsitter> or something similar named
[00:16] <shadeslayer> hsitter: libgmp-ocaml-dev ??
[00:16] <shadeslayer> or libgmp3-dev
[00:16] <hsitter> that  one
[00:18] <shadeslayer> hsitter: no offence but do the devels get paid by canonical or are they doing this as a side job ?
[00:19] <hsitter> most of us spend their spare time
[00:19] <shadeslayer> hsitter: http://pastebin.com/d22baabd9
[00:19] <shadeslayer> ok
[00:19] <hsitter> shadeslayer: libboost-dev
[00:20] <shadeslayer> thats alot of libraries :)
[00:20] <freinhard> will software-properties-kde live on? if it does i'd fix bug 116445
[00:28] <Mamarok> gn8 everyone :)
[00:29] <maco> freinhard, valid as in "really exist" or as in "well-formatted"?
[00:29] <freinhard> as in well formatted i guess
[00:30] <freinhard> already implemented
[00:30] <freinhard> but can't figure out how to get the bzr commit that implemented it
[00:34] <freinhard> hmm doesn't add it to the list in software-properties-kde but adds it to /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:45]  * yuriy likes how bug 18995, a major bug noone's managed to fix in 5 years, with a comment on it saying "I don't think we've got the effort available to fix this in Ubuntu", is a papercut
[00:45] <yuriy> oh well, hope it gets fixed
[00:59] <valgaav> hmmm ... providing a kubufox would also make a nice papercut :D
[01:01] <hsitter> papercut is a small thing
[01:01] <hsitter> kubufux aint is no small
[01:01] <hsitter> neither is redoing the open with dialog
[01:03]  * yuriy thinks shtylman should give it a go since he now knows all about conquering foreign open dialogs
[01:03] <valgaav> well for example exchanging the gnome HIG  Cancel|OK acheme to OK|Cancel is just a one line in css FF config file
[01:04] <yuriy> valgaav: interested in starting such a package? : )
[01:04] <valgaav> packaging things really seems to diffcult for me  ;/
[01:05] <valgaav> aside from using checkinstall :P
[01:05]  * shtylman thinks yuriy is evil for suggesting such madness :)
[01:07] <yuriy> valgaav: well, a wiki page with precise instructions for all such customizations in one place would be a good start
[01:08] <valgaav> that's not really a problem and I could write it
[01:08] <hsitter> yuriy: Tonio_ wanted to start some kubufox thingy
[01:08] <valgaav> though my english is not that bad
[01:08] <valgaav> not that good :P
[01:08]  * hsitter thinks the name should be firefox-kubuntu though
[01:08] <hsitter> anyway
[01:08] <hsitter> off to bed
[01:09] <valgaav> I have quite nice integration with this one line in css , kgtk for file dialogs and external theme
[01:09] <Tonio_> yuriy, hsitter: the main problem with firefox is files associations
[01:09] <Tonio_> not the dialogs, although I'd like it ti be done to
[01:10] <Tonio_> there is something to be done on that side, for which I have the base of code too
[01:10] <vorian> yo
[01:10] <Tonio_> although an extension for default shortcuts and basic settings
[01:10] <Tonio_> as well as packaging that notifications for kde4 things should be done...
[01:10] <Tonio_> I hope I can do it in this cycle, but there is still so much to do :)
[01:11] <valgaav> it's also quite not userfriendly that ubufox is installed by default
[01:12] <Tonio_> the first things was to write a binary that would dump kde file associations in a file that we can read from firefox within an extension
[01:12] <Tonio_> that's done already and works
[01:12] <valgaav> using apt-get -no-recommends  well most people don't know about it :)
[01:12] <Tonio_> valgaav: yup, it should be in the gnome seed, but not as a dep
[01:12] <Tonio_> I agree
[01:12] <Tonio_> we have to ping firefox packagers for that
[01:15] <Tonio_> valgaav: or ubuntufox should depend on firefox, not the opposite
[01:21] <valgaav> As for reverse buttons one has to edit or make file in .mozilla/firefox/..../chrome/userChrome.css with the content like this http://pastebin.ca/1470524
[01:22] <valgaav> took my quite a while to google up that hack
[01:23] <yuriy> valgaav: any hack to move preferences to the tools menu? :D
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> whoa: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/kdm/kfrontend/themes/oxygen-air/screenshot.png?revision=981125&view=markup
[01:23] <yuriy> :O
[01:23] <valgaav> yuriy:  nope ... but  I also wanted to move that
[01:25] <valgaav> Ijust disabled the menu with an addon called "personal menu" and I'm using a customized menu from it
[01:39] <yuriy> valgaav: hmm doesn't seem to do it for me
[01:39] <valgaav> the buttons ?
[01:40] <yuriy> yeah
[01:40] <valgaav> that's in home folder
[01:40] <yuriy> mhmm
[01:41] <valgaav> /home/.mozilla  ...
[01:42] <yuriy> you mean /home/yuriy/.mozilla...
[01:42] <valgaav> /home/valgaav/.mozilla/firefox/d6r9xj4c.default/chrome ... something like that
[01:43] <yuriy> yeah I got it, but it doesn't seem to work here
[01:43] <valgaav> I'm on FF 3.0
[01:43] <yuriy> oh print dialog looks right
[01:44] <yuriy> that's about it though
[01:44] <valgaav> file save dialog is right for me too
[01:44] <valgaav> the Save Cancel one when you try to download a file
[01:45] <valgaav> that hack doesn't work for GTK+ file dialog
[01:45] <yuriy> what do you have?
[01:46] <valgaav> for the file gtk file dialog ? :)
[01:50] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/vkxKFHU.html <- my GTK+ dialog, using only QtCurve in karmic
[01:50] <JontheEchidna> FF 3.5
[01:50] <valgaav> http://imagebin.ca/view/F1HwOsn.html  this is the dialog I was talking about
[01:51] <valgaav> JontheEchidna:  for that kgtk is imho better
[01:51] <JontheEchidna> much hackier too
[01:53] <valgaav> yes well ... I'm using it for quite a while and with FF no problems with it
[01:53] <valgaav> it doesn't work as good for some other apps though...
[01:53] <ryanakca> Where can I find a list of packages in the Ubuntu NEW queue? I have a replacement for a less-than-perfect libqinfinity package apachelogger uploaded for me last night (or the night before)... Was there someone interested in uploading it?
[01:54] <JontheEchidna> ryanakca: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+queue
[01:54] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: thanks
[02:06] <ryanakca> If anybody is interested in uploading the fixed package, you can get the source by dget'ing http://packages.ryanak.ca/ubuntu/pool/main/libq/libqinfinity/libqinfinity_1.0~beta3-0ubuntu1.dsc
[02:28] <yuriy> seele: what's the preferred way to do input validation on a line edit?
[02:49] <seele> yuriy: context? i'm not sure what you mean
[02:58] <yuriy> if you have an input field where some things are legal and some aren't
[02:59] <yuriy> by default a qlineedit + qvalidator just reject input if it'll lead to an illegal value
[02:59] <yuriy> which is nice and all if you just want numbers or something, but if it's something like the username has to start with a lowercase letter I htink the user needs a hint
[03:02]  * yuriy should check what ubiquity does on that one
[05:16] <ScottK> rgreening: I just ordered a Dell mini 10v.  That gives you a week or so to get the usb creator working.
[05:17] <rgreening> lol
[05:18] <rgreening> it work. but has bugs
[05:18]  * ScottK cracks the whip.
[05:18] <rgreening> and needs packaging
[05:18] <rgreening> heh
[05:59] <NCommander> ScottK, +1 :-)
[06:36] <freeflying> NCommander: how is you yeelong? :)
[06:59] <NCommander> freeflying, not too happy :-/
[06:59] <NCommander> freeflying, it seems it has a hardware bug which hangs it hard when I peg the processor
[07:00] <NCommander> I'm hoping a kernel pops out of the woodworks to kludge around the issue
[07:10] <freeflying> NCommander: seems cause by toolchains
[07:10] <NCommander> freeflying, indicently caused compiling a toolchain :-)
[12:14] <milian_> if anybody needs a free ticket for the LinuxTag in Berlin this week, ping me
[12:26] <shadeslayer> is there an svn for kde 4.3 plasmoids?
[12:26] <shadeslayer> just the plasmoids
[12:42] <Quintasan> hiho
[12:59] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: depends on which plasmoids, as they are in kdebase, kdeplasma-addons, playground/base/plasma atleast
[13:03] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: i want the show desktop one and the network manager
[13:04] <Tm_T> networkmanager is in playground and show desktop is in kdebase IIRC
[13:04] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: could you provide me the link ?
[13:05] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: are you sure you know what you're doing? as building separate plasmoids from svn is not an easy task
[13:06] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: hmm.... well i need them for nightly...and i thought that maybe i could compile them on my own..is that a good thing?
[13:06] <Tm_T> not really
[13:07] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: ok,ill have a word with hsitter before doing this
[13:09] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: one small thing.. suppose i compiled something from a SVN checkout and then i rename that folder...nothing will be affected right?
[13:10] <Tm_T> affected in svn? no, as you cannot "touch" svn server without rights really
[13:10] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: no i mean on my HD...
[13:10] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: suppose the folder was xyz and i renamed it to SVN
[13:10] <smarter> depends
[13:11] <smarter> cmake hardcode path sometimes, so you may have to rebuild the thing
[13:11] <smarter> no idea for other build tools
[13:11] <shadeslayer> smarter: so should i recompile or wait for something to crash :P
[13:11] <shadeslayer> ill recompile just to be safe :)
[13:11] <smarter> yeah, no harm in doing that (:
[13:19] <shadeslayer> rebuilding :)
[13:29] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: hehe...i just found binaries of what i was trying to install :P
[14:10] <ryanakca> What needs to be done to get device (iPod/etc) support fixed in Amarok2?
[14:11] <rgreening> Riddell: check this page in arora... http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/
[14:12] <rgreening> Riddell: video isn't working for arora there... and it's supposed to
[14:12] <rgreening> lol
[14:26] <rgreening> OMG.. I didn't know you could search scrollback text in Konsole... what an awesome feature!!!!!!
[14:28] <maco> is there a way i can tell if a stacktrace i have from a crash has already been uploaded to bugs.kde.org?
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> maco: it requires a bit of intelligent searching
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> look for a unique function name, and try that
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> like if the backtrace had Plasma::crashHereWhenCalled
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> searching for crashHereWhenCalled would more likely than not bring up related backtraces, if there are any
[14:31] <lex79> ScottK: can you upload digikam from my ppa for fixing dependency wait? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam/2:1.0.0~beta1-1ubuntu1
[14:39] <maco> i get the impression not many people use DrKonqi
[14:40] <maco> because i get a few crashes a day, and they haven't turned out to be dupes
[14:44] <seele> rickspencer3: ping
[14:44] <rickspencer3> I seele
[14:44] <rickspencer3> I mean "Hi seele"
[14:44] <rickspencer3> 'sup?
[14:45] <seele> hi
[14:45] <seele> so i'm still unsure how kubuntu's papercuts fit in with the papercut project
[14:45] <seele> i thought dave said they would be included in the milestones
[14:45] <seele> but i dont see any listed in launchpad
[14:46] <rickspencer3> seele: not sure, hold on
[14:49] <djsiegel_> hey seele
[14:50] <seele> hi
[14:50] <seele> i had some questions about papercuts
[14:50] <seele> i thought kubuntu ones were going to be included in the milestones?
[14:51] <djsiegel_> yes, please add them
[14:51] <seele> ok.. how do i do that?
[14:52] <djsiegel_> click on one of the little arrow things to edit bug status
[14:52] <seele> ok
[14:52] <djsiegel_> then you get a milestone combobox
[14:53] <djsiegel_> and pick the round-N you want to assign the bug to
[14:53] <seele> i dont have a milestone combobox
[14:53] <seele> i'm not part of the hundredpapercuts project, is that why?
[14:54] <djsiegel_> I was told everyone could add to milestones
[14:54] <djsiegel_> hmm
[14:54] <djsiegel_> ok, I can add them for you
[14:54] <djsiegel_> do you want to tell me which papercuts you want milestone-d
[14:55] <djsiegel_> the design team owns the project, so I don't think we can add you to it
[14:55] <djsiegel_> let me ask
[14:55] <seele> 379192 389744 389658 .. i'm still finding people to work on the other confirmed bugs
[14:55] <djsiegel_> so are we :)
[14:55] <ikonia> Tm_T: shadeslayer is eagles mark 2
[14:56] <seele> djsiegel_: yes, but you are more likely to find them than me
[14:56] <ikonia> Tm_T: don't let him get away with support in here - he's been told about the dagers/lack of support of running kde nightly builds without a proper understanding
[14:56] <seele> should i just email you with future milestones?
[14:56] <Tm_T> ikonia: how did I support?
[14:56] <djsiegel_> seele: I am being told that you can add bugs to milestones
[14:57] <Tm_T> ikonia: I merely pointed where the swamp is
[14:58] <ikonia> Tm_T: no no, wasn't saying you did, just pointing out this conversation has been had before so don't let him use here as support
[14:58] <seele> djsiegel_: uhm.. i dont see a milestone dropdown box
[14:58]  * seele kicks launchpad
[14:58] <djsiegel_> seele: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/217582/milestone.jpg
[14:58] <djsiegel_> you don't have that?
[14:59] <seele> nope
[14:59] <seele> i can't even edit importance, heh
[15:01] <Tm_T> ikonia: roger roger, son (:
[15:02] <djsiegel_> hmm
[15:03] <maco> seele, if you see any papercuts that look suitable for a never-touched-qt-before newbie, point me to them
[15:04] <maco> i need something to learn on
[15:05] <seele> hmm
[15:05] <seele> maco: any of the papercuts i assign ought to be simple, not sure about any bugs the triagers might assign
[15:05] <seele> but not all of them might be qt bugs, some of them are improving defaults, etc.
[15:06] <maco> ok
[15:06] <seele> oh
[15:06] <seele> maco: i have two bugs for you, they might be boring/tedious but they're peeves of mine for a long time
[15:06] <seele> bug 389751
[15:07] <maco> i just know the first 10 list for gnome made me go "O_O yes, small bugs, but those are going to require building quite a bit of code behind most of those, and at least a few days worth of thinking & researching on libs"
[15:07] <seele> maco: ^^ fix a bunch of labels.. there are a lot so start with applications first and not worry about the debugging errors yet
[15:07] <maco> kk
[15:08] <seele> then there is a similar one for get hot new stuff, but that is more complicated
[15:08] <seele> bug 390226
[15:08] <maco> the "dim icons on cut" one for nautilus....that doesnt look easy to me, but i guess to someone that knows gtk & glib well it's not an issue
[15:08] <seele> maco: ^^ there are multiple ways people are calling knewstuff and so the buttons and labels are inconsistent
[15:08] <seele> some use the KNS class and others just create their own button
[15:09] <seele> so that would be more interesting programming probably. the upstream person for KNS is jpwhiting if you need background/help
[15:09] <seele> he is usually very helpful and i know he would appreciate someone working on that
[15:09] <seele> but 389751 is definitely easier.
[15:10] <maco> alright, i'll take a look at those
[15:10] <maco> thanks
[15:22] <djsiegel> seele: sorry, my computer decided to melt
[15:23] <seele> djsiegel: that's ok.. i'm still here :)
[15:35] <djsiegel> ok, seele, sorry
[15:36] <djsiegel> can you give me a bug to milestone for friday?
[15:42] <seele> djsiegel: we are currently working on 379192 389744 389658
[15:42] <djsiegel> do you want all of those for friday, or just the first?
[15:45] <seele> just the first one
[15:45] <seele> my goal is one a week so that we get 10-15 done by the end of the project
[15:46] <seele> you can assign the other two to the next milestones if you want
[15:53] <claydoh> hsitter: ping a ling ling
[15:54] <maco> i think i'll have reported all of kontact's crashes by the end of the week
[16:01] <nixternal> anyone on karmic upgrade to the new kernel and have any issues? ie. black screen of death?
[16:02] <DaskreeCH> da black skereen of dooooooooooooooooooooooooom
[16:03] <fenris-> nixternal: latest ? 2.6.30-9 ?
[16:06] <hsitter> claydoh: pong
[16:07] <fenris-> nixternal: is it have issues ?
[16:07] <fenris-> i havent upgrade it yet .. but if there is .. i better not to upgrade it 1st :)
[16:08] <maco> i'm on -9 ...seems fine
[16:09] <maco> well, my wireless went back to sucking
[16:09] <fenris-> maco: me too .. but .. just doing the update .. there is new upgrade for kernel
[16:09] <maco> but nothin' modprobe -r and modprobe can't fix ;)
[16:09] <maco> oh
[16:09] <fenris-> nixternal: ??
[16:11] <nixternal> fenris-: 2.6.30-10
[16:11] <fenris-> got issues with it ?
[16:11] <fenris-> lets try it ..!!
[16:11] <fenris-> hehe
[16:16] <fenris-> upgrading ..
[16:23] <seele> is there a way to split a bug up? bug 388714 has multiple issues
[16:27] <maco> yeah, file more bugs ;)
[16:27] <maco> lp has no system of dependencies though
[16:28] <hsitter> which is a shame TBH
[16:29] <hsitter> bug 95419
[16:33] <maco> agreed
[16:33] <maco> that was nice to find in rt
[16:36] <maco> JontheEchidna, are you jonathan thomas?
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> maco: yup
[16:37] <maco> ah ok so you're grabbing all the bugs i've been shoving through drkonqi
[16:37] <JontheEchidna> oh, I was?
[16:37] <maco> yes
[16:37]  * JontheEchidna looks back
[16:37] <JontheEchidna> hey, those were you
[16:37] <fenris-> :)
[16:37] <maco> aye
[16:37] <maco> i like drkonqi :D it tells me when i need more -dbg packages
[16:38] <hsitter> ultimately it would tell you which ones ;-)
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> the kde bugsquad got tired of asking peeps to install them ;-)
[16:38] <maco> ive got another here for kde daemon waiting for me to click next a bunch of times
[16:38] <maco> hsitter, yeah well... OH hey you're apachelogger. why the nick change?
[16:38] <hsitter> I wanted to get JontheEchidna to do a nick change ;-)
[16:38] <maco> i was thinking about making a wiki page listing which -dbg to grab for which apps
[16:38] <maco> does one already exist?
[16:39] <jmthomas> I think one might
[16:39] <jmthomas> It'll take a bit to find though
[16:39] <jmthomas> and that's probably a problem
[16:39] <maco> yeah...thatd be a problem
[16:40] <jmthomas> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting
[16:41] <jmthomas> hum, no -dbg help
[16:41] <jmthomas> but that was the page I was thinking of
[16:42] <maco> so should i add a table of apps & -dbg packages to the end of that?
[16:42] <jmthomas> that'd be great
[16:43] <maco> or rather, start a table and then let people who know what's what fill in what i can't
[16:44] <Quintasan> is openoffice.org with kde4 ready for testing?
[16:45]  * Quintasan forgot to check PPA's
[16:46] <hsitter> jmthomas: how does one get setup.py to not install to usr/local?
[16:46] <hsitter> Quintasan: so it is ready for testing?
[16:47] <Quintasan> hsitter: I asked Shtylman to ping me when he's done with PPA but it looks like he forgot, or he's not done yet
[16:48] <hsitter> Quintasan: well, ask launchpad
[16:48] <hsitter> you can search ppas there
[16:48] <hsitter> somewhere
[16:49] <jmthomas> hsitter: maybe do something like this? setup.pys are my secret weak point: http://paste.ubuntu.com/202213/
[16:51] <hsitter> --install-layout=deb did the trick
[16:51]  * hsitter finds it weird that there is no --prefix= though
[16:51] <claydoh> hsitter: I don't quite understand your ping from yesterday
[16:51] <hsitter> claydoh: probably better that way ;-)
[16:51] <hsitter> claydoh: nvm it
[16:51] <maco> jmthomas, anything special needed for kded?
[16:51] <maco> oh wait...
[16:52] <maco> nevermind
[16:52] <maco> drkonqi answered that by giving me 3 stars
[16:52] <claydoh> hsitter: the post in question was from 2008 iirc :)
[16:52] <jmthomas> kded... that's part of runtime iirc
[16:52] <hsitter> claydoh: well, does that mean he died by now? :P
[16:52] <maco> hsitter, python setup.py install --help ?
[16:53] <hsitter> maco: didn't help much
[16:53] <jmthomas> maco: oh, kde4libs, so you'd want kdelibs5-dbg
[16:53] <maco> yeah i have that. thats one you pretty much always need
[16:53] <jmthomas> yeah
[16:55] <nixternal> FYI for those of you on karmic: Do not update to the newer kernel if you are using Intel graphics
[16:55] <maco> alright, i put the only two apps i knew https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting#Crashes
[16:55] <maco> nixternal, thanks
[16:55] <nixternal> np
[16:56] <nixternal> you can get x back with editing your boot stuff in grub, but you get bad X and no compositing and a super slow machine :)
[17:01] <maco> dont need compositing, but no X...alright then
[17:01] <ryanakca> hsitter: Feel like uploading the fixed libqinfinity and then kobby?
[17:01] <maco> is it that they just made kms default and you have graphics that suck with kms, or is it a bad driver?
[17:03] <rgreening> nixternal: whats wrong with newer kernel?
[17:05] <claydoh> hsitter: it means i am too lazy to read the 6 page thread to see what it is all about :)
[17:05] <rgreening> nixternal: I've got an intel (4500) and using latest updates (I'm also on grub2 if that matters)... works here.
[17:05] <hsitter> claydoh: good point :D
[17:06] <hsitter> ryanakca: got qinfinity through NEW yet?
[17:06] <hsitter> otherwise I think the fixed upload will fail, unless some nice archive admin feels like rejecting it now
[17:06] <ryanakca> hsitter: Not through, usually it takes a month and a bit
[17:06] <maco> hsitter,  you want me drag sarah in?
[17:07] <hsitter> ryanakca: I mean in ubuntu
[17:07] <hsitter> maco: is she awake at all?
[17:07]  * hsitter is wondering why she is not in here though
[17:07] <maco> hm thats probably a good question
[17:07] <maco> she's away in #u-w
[17:08]  * hsitter ask the mighty plasma clock
[17:08] <hsitter> maco: prolly asleep
[17:08] <hsitter> 2am over there
[17:08] <maco> oh
[17:08] <maco> oh right (o|n)z
[17:08] <ryanakca> hsitter: hmm... LP says it's still in the queue
[17:09] <hsitter> ryanakca: go find an archive admin to reject it
[17:09] <hsitter> jr is away I think
[17:10] <ryanakca> Scott K is away this week too?
[17:11] <nixternal> rgreening: are you using the 2.6.30-10.12 kernel?
[17:11] <hsitter> think so
[17:11] <claydoh> hsitter: I am pinging the dude anyway :)
[17:12]  * hsitter got 4 years of ruby experience
[17:12] <hsitter> not even half as long c++
[17:12] <hsitter> no wonder I am quite the ruby biatch
[17:13] <rgreening> yeah nixternal
[17:13] <ryanakca> hsitter: Done, I'll get you a link to the fixed version, just a sec
[17:13] <hsitter> https://www.ohloh.net/p/project-neon/contributors/585657445522343
[17:15] <ryanakca> hsitter: http://packages.ryanak.ca/ubuntu/pool/main/libq/libqinfinity/libqinfinity_1.0~beta3-0ubuntu1.dsc
[17:17] <hsitter> ryanakca: uploaded, get whoever rejected it to approve it :P
[17:17] <hsitter> then we can go ahead with kobby
[17:18] <hsitter> ohloh claims that most of my stuff is extremely well commented
[17:18] <hsitter> I guess that is a good thing :D
[17:20] <ryanakca> hsitter: Ah, he's "Away - off for the night" :/
[17:20] <hsitter> find another admin then
[17:20] <hsitter> someone must be on archive duty today
[17:20] <hsitter> probably the wiki will know
[17:22] <maco> i just asked in #ubuntu-devel
[17:22] <ryanakca> hsitter: Tuesday: JonathanRiddell
[17:22] <hsitter> oh, is it tue again? :S
[17:22] <hsitter> maco: thx :)
[17:23] <hsitter> *git pull*
[17:24] <hsitter> kubotu: hi
[17:24] <kubotu> salut hsitter!
[17:24] <hsitter> maco++
[17:24] <hsitter> kubotu: karma maco
[17:24] <kubotu> karma for maco: 1
[17:24] <hsitter> ah, well, better than negative karma after all :D
[17:24] <maco> haha
[17:25] <hsitter> hm
[17:25] <maco> is cjwatson an archive admin? because he's the one that said "yes" when i asked if there were any around
[17:25] <hsitter> maco: AFAIK yes
[17:25] <maco> ok. i said what needed to be done, but no response on that yet. they're discussing the intel graphics issues
[17:25]  * hsitter is wondering why ubuntu devs don't have a developer irc cloak
[17:27] <hsitter> Nightrose: ping
[17:27] <kees> who maintains kdesudo?
[17:28] <hsitter> kees: tonio
[17:28] <kees> hsitter: have they been around lately?
[17:28] <ryanakca> hsitter: hmmm... should the Maintainer: in ubuntu be the kubuntu-devel or ubuntu-motu team for kobby? It was kubuntu-devel for libqinfinity?
[17:28] <maco> kees, he's here during sensible french times
[17:29] <hsitter> it's 18:30 in CEST :P
[17:29] <hsitter> kees: yesterday he was around, but he is founding his own company so he is kinda short on time ... I recommend you drop a mail to kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com :)
[17:30] <hsitter> ryanakca: both are good, we will supersed-sync once they are in debian anyway
[17:30] <kees> hsitter: okay, cool.  I was hoping to get the patch in bug 281877 applied and released.  it's not technically a security issue, but it is a kind of ugly bug.
[17:30] <ryanakca> hsitter: OK, thanks
[17:30] <hsitter> kees: https://edge.launchpad.net/kdesudo
[17:31]  * kees nods
[17:33] <hsitter> oh dear, my extragear release script is almost bigger than project neon
[17:34] <ryanakca> hsitter: I'm off for lunch, if kobby's karmic build doesn't choke, I'll upload it for you to review :)
[17:34] <hsitter> I suppose that either means that the structure of the extreagear release script is quite horrible or the one of neon incredibly good
[17:34] <hsitter> ryanakca: did kern upload that as well to debian?
[17:35] <hsitter> otherwise it needs to go through revu for 2nd ack
[17:35] <ryanakca> hsitter: No, he said he'd wait until libqinfinity got through before uploading it. And will do.
[17:35] <hsitter> okies
[17:48] <lex79> jmthomas: when you have time.... launchpad bug 390069
[17:56] <hsitter> jussi01: so, why is there no ubuntu developer cloak?
[17:58]  * freinhard want's one too ;)
[18:02] <nixternal> it is a whopping 100f or 37.8c right now...and the humidity is out of this world
[18:07] <maco> hsitter, you can take the karma away. cjwatson's confused and says to toss it back to the last archive admin
[18:08] <hsitter> hehe
[18:08] <hsitter> well, the try is worth the karma I suppose
[18:18] <DaskreeCH> whats the deal with Grub2?
[18:29] <ryanakca> What package contains debugging symbols for choqok? It seems to crash continuously, but gdb only prints (no debugging symbols found)
[18:49] <ryanakca> hsitter: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kobby
[18:52] <ryanakca> Could another MOTU ack it too please?
[18:53] <Riddell> rgreening: you can ask upstream but I think that <source> tag is new-er than the Qt 4.5 version of webkit so it won't be in there.  <video src=""> does work but only with gstreamer phonon backend (audio works fine with xine)
[18:53] <rgreening> oh
[18:53] <rgreening> pooh
[18:53] <rgreening> :P
[19:16] <seele> Riddell: so who is authority on branding then. Ken who works on Ubuntu or Nuno who works on KDE?
[19:47] <Peace-> Hi
[19:48]  * DaskreeCH waves
[19:51] <Peace-> just to know why in gnome there is a service menu to mount an iso and on kubuntu no?
[19:51] <Peace-> i have made for my own use...
[19:53] <maco> you're probably the first to notice that cared enough
[19:53] <maco> wanna file a bug with a how-you-did-that?
[19:54] <Peace-> well could be a good idea?
[19:55] <Peace-> i dunno but i don't care anymore ... i just made the service menu for dolphin and i am happy now
[19:55] <maco> yes, certainly
[19:55] <Peace-> ok i will take care about that
[19:55] <maco> i dont know how it works, but if you've got what you did to make it work and can share that, that'd be great
[19:55] <Peace-> it's this one
[19:55] <Peace-> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/isomount-qt?content=107105
[19:56] <Peace-> ok now i will write on lauchpad i guess
[20:00] <Peace-> made
[20:02] <Peace-> another thing
[20:03] <Peace-> i read pulse could installed on next kubuntu's releases
[20:03] <Peace-> i hope it's a joke
[20:07] <jmthomas> pretty much everyone here is against it, so it's probably not gonna happen
[20:07] <maco> no not in the next
[20:08] <Peace-> ok this is a good new
[20:08] <Peace-> because i use kubuntu for my video editing stuff
[20:08] <maco> somewhere down the line, the goal from the audio point of view, is a unified system based around pulse--after the issues are worked out
[20:08] <Peace-> and i hate with all my soul pulse
[20:08] <maco> and of course for professional audio, you'd use jack, not pulse, duh :P
[20:09] <maco> there's a plugin that's not quite right yet that will make it easy for them to work together for cases where your desktop is what you use for professional audio stuff as well
[20:09] <Peace-> ah no no , i use kwave kdenlive and blender
[20:09] <maco> meh, more of the issues seem to be broken drivers. pulseaudio is like finally having a not-crappy test-suite
[20:09] <Peace-> i have enought with alsa
[20:09] <Peace-> ;D
[20:10] <maco> exactly
[20:10] <maco> alsa's got issues
[20:10] <maco> pulseaudio being in use by some major distros has helped got some of alsa's issues worked out though
[20:11] <Peace-> well guys last thing
[20:11] <Peace-> i have created a service menu for kdenlive
[20:11] <Peace-> to create presentation on linux
[20:11] <Peace-> but i didn't get feedback
[20:12] <Peace-> someone could tell me if it works or not
[20:12] <Peace-> it's this one
[20:12] <Peace-> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/akw-qt?content=104980
[20:12] <Peace-> just to know if i am the one that uses it
[20:12] <Peace-> and it works only on my pc
[20:15] <Peace-> ok guys thank you for the news i leave
[20:24] <aplg>  ping
[20:25] <freinhard> is there a list of currently broken and known things in karmic or is everything in lp?
[20:26] <aplg> lp
[20:26] <maco> intel graphics break on -10 kernel according to nixternal
[20:27] <freinhard> hmm works here
[20:27] <freinhard> 855gm
[20:27] <freinhard> oh still on -8
[20:27] <freinhard> so i'd better not reboot.
[20:28] <aplg> reboot is overratd anyway
[20:34] <nixternal> freinhard: do you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[20:34] <nixternal> if so, in the Device section, change/add ->       Driver "intel"
[20:35] <freinhard> thx
[20:39] <freinhard> hmm well, doesn't boot anyways. how can i avoid loading any graphics driver besides vesa?
[20:53] <freinhard> acpi broken.
[20:58] <freinhard> nixternal: works with acpi=off for the kernel and 'Driver "intel"' for xorg
[21:18] <freinhard> is that a wpa_supplicant or (ioctl confuses me) a kernel/driver issue? http://paste.ubuntu.com/202401/
[21:46] <dtchen> freinhard: it's an error returned by some layer in the wifi stack; in karmic, it's softmac
[21:47] <dtchen> freinhard: if your wifi iface is in managed mode, that error is required, because it is not allowed
[22:05] <freinhard> who do i need to bug to get a firmware updated in linux-firmware?
[22:09] <dtchen> any of the kernel team in #ubuntu-kernel. File a bug affecting linux-firmware; e-mail kernel-team@lists
[22:26] <Riddell> seele: can't say we really have an authority.  kubuntu council?
[22:31] <hsitter> do a voting :P
[22:31] <nhandler> ryanakca: Doing some kubuntu-website work ;)
[22:33] <hsitter> seele, Riddell: you know, if upstream is fine I really think we should just do it
[22:33] <hsitter> of course via adding a superset icon theme that just overrides oxygen for start-here-kde, so one can remove the branding easily
[22:34] <hsitter> the thing is, we should squeeze as much branding out of the GUI as upstream would agree to
[22:35] <hsitter> as much as we want to have Kubuntu be a KDE refernce distribution, it is not, for one we have the ubuntu stack and a rather unkdeish name and we are not deploying a vinall KDE eitherway
[22:41] <Riddell> note that Ubuntu generally has rules against adding branding so as not to inconvenince our downstreams
[22:42] <freinhard> where do debug symbols for plasma-widget-network-manager hide?
[22:43] <Riddell> freinhard: you'd need the ddeb
[22:44] <hsitter> Riddell: well, ubuntu-desktop changes the gnome foot as well ;-)
[22:44] <Riddell> right
[22:44] <freinhard> Riddell: ddeb?
[22:44] <hsitter> anyway, time for bed
[22:44] <nhandler> Night hsitter
[22:44] <hsitter> nini
[22:44] <Riddell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-August/000330.html  freinhard
[22:45] <freinhard> Riddell: thx
[22:47] <Quintasan> hmm if I want to add another email (quintasan@kubuntu.org) I should "Add UserID" on my current key?
[22:48] <nhandler> ryanakca: Can I update your kubuntu/BrokenTable page to see if slightly more advanced ToC's work?
[22:48] <seele> Riddell: soo.. is that a yes or no?
[22:49] <ryanakca> nhandler: sure, you'll have to register though, iirc
[22:49] <seele> and it might not be too hard to add an icon picker
[22:49] <ryanakca> Riddell: If you have time, feel like pushing libqinfinity through the new queue?
[22:51] <Riddell> seele: as I say I'm not in favour, others might take a different opinion
[22:52] <Riddell> ryanakca: let me look
[22:53] <ryanakca> Riddell: thanks
[22:54] <Riddell> accepted!
[22:55] <ryanakca> Riddell: Awesome, thanks :)
[22:55]  * ryanakca goes to get people to review kobby
[22:55] <freinhard> broken. plasma-widget-network-manager-dbgsym: Depends: plasma-widget-network-manager (= 0.0+svn976478-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed.
[22:56] <freinhard> that version listed is installed.
[22:57] <nhandler> ryanakca: Where is it? REVU?
[22:58] <Riddell> freinhard: apt-cache policy plasma-widget-network-manager ?
[23:00] <freinhard> http://paste.ubuntu.com/202445/
[23:00] <nhandler> ryanakca: That is two of my bug reports fixed today ;)
[23:00] <freinhard> apt says: E: Broken packages
[23:01] <DaskreeCH> hsitter: which Distro has a KDEish name?
[23:01] <Riddell> freinhard: hmm.  apt-get install plasma-widget-network-manager plasma-widget-network-manager-dbgsym   does what?
[23:04] <freinhard> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/202447/
[23:05] <Riddell> freinhard: oh hmm it's probably because we have a transition in the plasma-widget-network-manager package name
[23:05] <Riddell> it's changing names to get into sync with Debian
[23:06] <Riddell> freinhard: I've just let the new one through New so it should be on the main archive site in an hour or less, dunno how long it takes for ddebs to catch up
[23:07] <freinhard> Riddell: thx.
[23:09] <Riddell> freinhard: or you could compile it yourself and do a manual make install :)
[23:09] <Riddell> although debugging network manager is not easy
[23:10] <freinhard> reason: plasma-w-n-m crashes plasma each time i plug in a pcmcia wlan card
[23:17] <ryanakca> nhandler: Yep, revu, http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kobby
[23:17] <nhandler> ryanakca: I'll try to get to it tonight. I'm trying to write a classroom session and watch the meeting in -meeting right now
[23:18] <ryanakca> nhandler: Great, thanks, if not, I'll just prod Roderick tomorrow :)
[23:29] <Riddell> can someone look at kimpanel in revu too?
[23:30] <Riddell> would be good to get that in
[23:30] <nhandler> Riddell: I'll see if I have time. No promises though
[23:31] <Riddell> I don't know who packaged it or if it's up to date
[23:32] <jmthomas> looks like kimpanel has needed a license for a month
[23:33] <Riddell> well that's easy enough to fix
[23:33] <Riddell> if I can find where it is in svn
[23:36] <Riddell> added into svn
[23:37] <Riddell> so find to add to .orig.tar.gz (or not I'll accept it through New anyway if it's in svn)
[23:44] <rickspencer3> Riddell: did the MIR team looks at the MIRs that you mentioned in last week's team meeting?
[23:55] <Gon> I have a question...
[23:56] <Gon> why system-config-printer-kde doesn't appear as systemsettings module?