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Cooltigerwell that didn't work00:00
CooltigerI just tried to purge and install pidgin all over again any suggestions00:00
ign0ramusCooltiger, maybe this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7480008&postcount=900:03
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ign0ramusCooltiger, alternately, you can use the server: cs101.msg.mud.yahoo.com instead for now00:06
davidjheinrichcan anyone help me with this issue?:00:07
davidjheinrichI have .ORF and .JPEG files, each with the same name before extension (i.e., _15355.ORF and _15355.JPEG). I've deleted .JPEG files I don't want, and want to make a script to get rid of the corresponding .ORF files. I.e., I want to make a script that will, within a folder, find all .ORF files that don't have a corresponding .JPEG file and delete them.00:07
davidjheinrich<actually, what about a script to move those files to a sub-folder>00:08
Cooltigerim not entirely familier with scripting however i am familier with programming so though I can not give the exact code try00:11
Cooltigerhaving it do a ls of that directory00:11
Cooltigerthen pipe it to a check between the ORF and the JPG00:11
Cooltigeranything that fails gets transfered to a sub folder?00:11
davidjheinrichyea, that sounds like what I want to do00:12
Cooltigerand have it list only the *.ORF files00:13
PSiL0is it possible to compile qt 4.5.x in intrepid?00:13
CooltigerI'll work on creating one and let you know what I come up with00:13
davidjheinrichthanks00:14
ign0ramusCooltiger, you could probably use 'cut' to determine similar filenames00:17
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yao_ziyuansuppose i want to create a new user account00:18
gunslinger_wew00:18
yao_ziyuanwho can't see my existing user directory00:18
yao_ziyuanwhat groups should i give it?00:18
yao_ziyuanmy current account is 'yaoziyuan', created during kubuntu installation.00:18
yao_ziyuani want to create another account 'temp',00:19
yao_ziyuanwho can't see my directory (/home/yaoziyuan).00:19
Captain_Haddockyao_ziyuan: you are using kubuntu's user manager?00:20
yao_ziyuanyes, kusers00:20
Cooltigerif it is another user they will be able to see the the folder yaoziyuan but they should not be able to go inside with out SU or SUDO privliges00:20
Captain_Haddockyao_ziyuan: that should, by default, work the way you want it to.00:20
yao_ziyuanbut i assigned some groups to 'temp':00:21
yao_ziyuanadm,00:21
yao_ziyuandialout, cdrom, plugindev,00:22
yao_ziyuanlpadmin, admin, sambashare, vboxusers00:22
yao_ziyuani just give 'temp' all groups that 'yaoziyuan' has.00:22
yao_ziyuanexcept the group 'yaoziyuan'.00:22
yao_ziyuanbut 'temp' has its own unique group, 'temp'.00:22
gunslinger_hi all00:22
yao_ziyuanthen, this 'temp' user can access 'yaoziyuan's home directory.00:23
yao_ziyuanwhich groups should i detach from 'temp'?00:23
liberfiasco Hi.. if I upgrade to 4.3 beta2 in backports, will my system be tracking backports indefinitely, up to 4.3 final and beyond or will ppa take over once final is there?00:24
liberfiascoI currently have ppa enabled00:24
yao_ziyuani see, by default, i shouldn't give 'temp' these groups00:25
Walzmynliberfiasco: i think that it'll use the highest version of a package, so if the one in the main repo gets moved up, the ppa will be ignored00:25
Walzmynliberfiasco: but, the policy is to not impliment "new" things in a stable release, so the stuff in the ppa probably won't be in the main until 9.1000:25
liberfiascoah00:26
liberfiascobut there is a difference, AFAIK, between "backports" and "ppa"?00:26
Walzmynliberfiasco: that's all kinda putting things together, i've not seen an "official" policy on it00:26
Walzmynliberfiasco: backports are things that are ready made for the next release that are being made available for the current release00:26
liberfiascothat is.. the repository currently holding 4.2.4 is "updates" and one with 4.3 is "backports"00:27
Walzmynliberfiasco: so, the difference would just be symantics00:27
* Walzmyn heads to the dinner table00:28
liberfiascoalright, thanks Walzmyn, gonna get 4.3 then :)00:28
Captain_Haddockyao_ziyuan: just give the same set of groups as yourself, minus the one with the same username as yourself. THis should be the default.00:29
yao_ziyuanCaptain_Haddock: i did. but then the new user would be able to see my home directory00:30
Captain_Haddockyao_ziyuan: inside it? unless the directory belongs to a group that the new user belongs to, he shouldn't be able to.00:32
yao_ziyuanCaptain_Haddock: these are the groups that 'yaoziyuan' belongs to: adm, dialout, cdrom, plugindev, lpadmin, admin, sambashare, vboxusers00:33
yao_ziyuanCaptain_Haddock: if i let 'temp' join the same groups, it can see '/home/yaoziyuan's contents00:33
liberfiascothere's 28 blocked updates from backports..00:35
liberfiascoah those seem to be 4.2.4 packages..00:36
liberfiascoin backports.. I guess they should be cleaned out then..00:37
zer0ohi guys how do i run compiz?00:37
zer0oits installed but i dunno how to run it, i want to customize it but dunno where it is00:37
ign0ramus!compiz | zer0o00:41
ubottuzer0o: Compiz (compositing window manager), for a howto see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager and more help #compiz00:41
zer0oive already read that00:42
zer0obut i cant really run it00:42
zer0owhat do i need to do in order to run it00:42
zer0oits installed but i cant read it00:42
zer0o*run it00:42
tomsdaledragon player doesn't play .mp4 files - Is there a know workaround for 9.04? I'm on KDE 4.3 beta200:47
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hrishihi00:55
liberviscoHi.. backports f****d up00:56
liberviscoI can't log in to KDE.. kdm says no widget loaded, startx gets stuck at the world icon..00:57
liberviscohrmmmmm... wait a sec.. kpackagekit does apt-get upgrade by default, not dist-upgrade, which is why some of those packages are "blocked"...00:58
* libervisco is running dist-upgrade and sees KDE related stuff coming down..00:59
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pxwebdevhey everybody01:05
Walzmynhi01:07
* libervisco is regretting this :S01:08
pxwebdevanyone ever worked with mytv?01:08
Walzmynlibervisco: what are you regretting?01:08
liberviscoupgrading to backports KDE 4.3..01:08
liberviscoit wont log in..01:09
Walzmynwon't log into what?01:10
liberviscoKDE4.3.. it gets stuck on the world icon, whatever that represents..01:10
libervisconetworking I guess.. but not sure.. the third icon01:11
Walzmynhmm, i assumn this is a different computer?01:11
Walzmynlibervisco: i don' t know that those icon actually mean anything. I think it's just a little video01:11
libervisconope, I only have this one.. I've seen it said here 4.3 works well (better actually, no bugs I've been experiencing on 4.2) so I went for it01:11
liberviscoI think they do.. probably some parts of the system, as they load so icons appear..01:12
liberviscoif it gets stuck on one, not all icons appear01:12
* libervisco is writing from irssi in console :S01:13
Walzmynlibervisco: sorry bud, it's working for me01:13
Walzmynlibervisco: i know you hate to hear that01:13
liberviscoit's ok..01:13
Walzmynlibervisco: if you were to remove the ppa from sources.list and do an upgrade, would it roll stuff back to where it was before?01:14
liberviscoI could try a reboot again.. looks like there were issues when I upgraded with kpackagekit and some blocked packages (probably cause it runs "upgrade" rather than dist-upgrade..01:14
pxwebdevYou can try looking at the x server log and see what that says01:14
liberviscoWalzmyn: that's what I'd like to know.. if all fails I could try that :)01:14
pxwebdevif its a error, then it would be logged01:15
Walzmynlibervisco: everybody's is seeing those blocked packages01:15
JuJuBeeAnybody familiar with akonadi ?01:16
liberviscopxwebdev: nothing interesting there.. but X runs, it seems it's KDE that gets stuck..01:16
JuJuBeeI am having trouble sync'ing with my palm.  I deleted a record from kaddressbook, but it still remains on palm.  How do I look at the akonadi db?01:16
pxwebdevlibervisco: are you using server or desktop?01:18
liberviscodesktop..01:19
pxwebdevhow long have you waited for it to load?01:22
liberviscoabout a few minutes longest..01:22
liberviscoswitching back and forth between console and KDE login screen (ctrl-alt f keys) to see what's going on (but it says nothing useful)...01:23
liberviscoand then the login screen just went black and shown only the X cursor01:23
liberviscooh and it displays some errors about power management and alsa not working01:24
pxwebdevwell it seems like its loading, but there might be a issue with the video settings01:24
pxwebdevwhat you could try to do is remove it and install the other version01:25
liberviscoyeah..01:25
liberviscoI'll try rebooting and trying once again and then I'll try that..01:26
pxwebdevyeah sorry i couldnt help more01:26
liberviscono probs.. thanks01:26
liberviscobrb01:26
SerpardumMy son has kubuntu installed on a computer but he doesn't see the internet. He has a usb wireless card. What ist he command to look at network connections?01:33
valgaavSerpardum: probably lsusb in this case to see if kernel is seeing the usb device01:36
valgaavthen I guess lsmod to check if the kernel has a module for it01:37
valgaavwould be IMHO a lot easier to just google up "<name of the card> linux  " and check if the drivers are in kernel at all01:38
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SerpardumI did valgaav, got too many responses about things not related01:40
Serpardumrunning commands that dont' exist in kubuntu but in ubuntu, etc.,.01:41
liberviscoI removed all kde stuff (I think) and disabled ppa updates (with 4.2 in there) and some others and am trying 4.3 clean again.. maybe it works this time01:42
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SerpardumWehre is add network device in kubuntu?01:52
SerpardumSays supposed to use ndiswrapper, it's not installed, apt-get install ndiswrapper doesn't find anything.01:55
WalzmynSerpardum: what are you trying to install?01:55
SerpardumLinksys usb wireless network card01:56
Serpardumthe usb driver sees it01:56
Serpardumit's on my son's computer whom I have on the phone01:56
Walzmynhave you just tried using the networkmangaer plasmoid?01:56
Walzmynndiswrapper-common might be what your looking for there01:57
Serpardumhe may have it connected01:57
Walzmynif you've got all the required drivers it *should* just appear in the netowork manager01:58
burn_my trash can shows files in it, explore it, konsole it shows empty, on desktop shows full, when i click empty trash bin it says:The file or folder /home/burn/.local/share/Trash/files/ROMSetup-1c.bin does not exist.01:58
Serpardumokay, he found it in the network manager.  It's not connected yet :D01:58
WalzmynSerpardum: there's also a ndisgtk package that is a gui frontend for ndiswrapper01:59
SerpardumI'm trying to talk him through it but I don't know what the wireless network connection looks like01:59
Walzmynmine always pops up a dialog for the password that gets hidden behind all the other windows01:59
Serpardumhe's eating01:59
WalzmynSerpardum: make sure he looks for that01:59
SerpardumWell, turns out he has to first find the wireless to connect to01:59
Serpardumscan for routers, etc.. I guess02:00
Serpardumthat's the way it is on windows anyway02:00
* Walzmyn nods02:00
burn_anyone to help me with trash can? :D02:00
Serpardumclean it out now and then or it starts to stink burn_02:00
Walzmynburn_: what version of kde?02:00
burn_wont clean, message gets anoyying02:00
Serpardumwhat message?02:01
burn_4.2.3 or 4.2.4 let me check02:01
Walzmynthat's good02:01
Walzmyni meang 3 vs 402:01
burn_it is 4.2.2 on kubuntu jaunty 9.0402:01
Walzmynwhat exactly is it doing?02:01
SerpardumI see, he said up there.02:01
burn_when i click empty trash bin it says: The file or folder /home/burn/.local/share/Trash/files/ROMSetup-1c.bin does not exist.02:01
Walzmynhmm02:02
Walzmynmine has got one file in it, and when i tell it to empty its not removing it either02:02
Serpardummaybe you have to run it as sudo02:02
burn_Walzmyn sudo console and rm it :d02:02
* Serpardum shrugs02:02
burn_nothing in sudo shows empty02:03
Walzmynburn_: yeah, i could02:03
Walzmynburn but i'm wondering why neither of ours is acting as it should02:03
burn_not our folt we should beat the dev's :D02:03
burn_joking they are working so hard to give us this02:04
WalzmynI was REAL skeptical about the convert over to kde4, but I gotta tell ya, i'm loving this thing02:04
burn_how it goes the rm -rf command fo all files in a dir?02:06
ign0ramusWalzmyn, hey, remember how i could only load *some* flash videos?02:08
Walzmynign0ramus: emm, no.02:09
ign0ramusWalzmyn, no? i thought it was you i was talking to yesterday.  my mistake02:09
ign0ramusWalzmyn, but i'm sure you'll be glad to know i resolved the issue02:09
Walzmynign0ramus: we spoke yesterday, but i don't think it was about flash02:09
Walzmynign0ramus: YAY!02:09
ign0ramus:)02:09
* Walzmyn thinks flash is an evil construct of devious demons02:10
ign0ramusWalzmyn, if you ever have an issue where some flash sites load and some don't, check permissions on ~/.macromedia of all things02:10
* ign0ramus is certain it is02:10
burn_yeeeeeeeeeeey fixer trash bin issue :d02:10
Walzmyni do notice that some sites don't load in02:10
ign0ramusWalzmyn, gotta run... was just checking in before i left the house and saw you here02:11
Walzmynign0ramus: what am i checking the permissions on?02:11
ign0ramusWalzmyn, the directory ~/.macromedia02:12
Walzmynthe /,macromedia directory itself?02:12
Walzmynign0ramus: what should it be set to?02:12
ign0ramusWalzmyn, mine was not writable, and some flash videos wouldn't load (but youtube and others did) :/02:12
ign0ramusWalzmyn, i have mine at 77502:12
ign0ramusWalzmyn, gotta run dude02:12
maicuong,l02:43
h3nchm3n81I have a Gateway M675 running kubuntu 9.04 and i cannot seem to turn on my wireless.  Any suggestions?03:02
h3nchm3n81exit03:04
luis_hola alguien sabe que programa puedo usar para imprimir fotos en ubuntu pero que imprima la fecha y la hora tambien03:06
Ursinhaluis_, !es03:07
Ursinhaerrr03:07
Ursinha!es | luis_03:07
ubottuluis_: En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es.03:07
Ursinha:)03:07
Ursinhasorry03:07
FloodBotK1Ursinha: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.03:07
Ursinhalol03:07
luis_en el canal es no me ayudan03:08
luis_hola alguien sabe que programa puedo usar para imprimir fotos en ubuntu pero que imprima la fecha y la hora tambien03:08
Ursinhaluis_, but this channel is english only, sorry :( - and I don't speak Spanish03:08
luis_ok03:09
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KDeskhi03:45
Elonesomething wrong with the linux kernel 2.6.28.11.15?it is show blocked in my update03:45
fireballhey all, my user permissions are "wrong", please advise. . . upon start up i receive a message about my .dmrc file being ignored, need 644 permissions and users $home folder not writable by others. . .03:45
gunslinger_wew03:45
fireballi think this upsetting my kde updater too03:45
KDeskdo you know where could I get firefox 3.5 for 64 bit? in a deb if possible.03:45
DragnslcrElone- for some reason, KPackageKit is showing it as blocked because of dependencies. You can install the updates by running "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"03:46
Eloneoh03:49
dksoba88any recommendations for a good torrent client?03:54
Elonektorrent is good XD03:54
Eloneor utorrent  with wine03:54
dksoba88ic03:55
dksoba88thanks03:55
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wolexzoapart form kde, any difference btw ubuntu and kubuntu?04:23
Zoraelbundled packages, basically (which includes KDE/GNOME). Ubuntu uses PulseAudio, Kubuntu doesn't. Ubuntu comes with Firefox, Kubuntu doesn't. etc04:37
dksoba88I'm trying to get Amarok to work right but I can't seem to get my mp3's to play on there04:37
dksoba88it just skips through the whole playlist but no error messages04:37
dksoba88I think I have the right mp3 codecs installed and whatnot though04:38
SerpardumHow do I stop ktorrent from starting when kubuntu starts?04:39
ZoraelSerpardum: check Session Manager in System Settings, see if it's loading a previously saved session04:40
Zoraeljust set it to start with an empty one04:41
SerpardumI do not see a "Session Manger"04:42
Serpardumunder Configure KTorrent04:42
SerpardumHmm.. I stopped the download I had, maybe that will work04:43
ZoraelSerpardum: No, KDE's system settings, then Session Manager04:46
gunslinger_halohalokaka04:46
ZoraelSerpardum: Advanced tab04:46
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Serpardumwhat was that command to see how much disk space is left?  I thought it was fs.. maybe sf?05:25
Serpardumbah, can't remember it05:25
jedixdf05:25
Serpardumthanks05:26
galvaoGreetings. Using Kubuntu 9.04 here. I'm wondering why I can't apply the new kernel updates? KDE Control Module shows these 4 updates as "Blocked"05:31
peabodyyo05:50
phmayoyo06:04
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estreshi there06:32
estresI have this problem:06:32
estresI can not connect my computer from KDE to internet06:32
estresI am doing it from GNOME06:32
estresany ideas on how to solve this one?06:32
bazhangestres, open a konsole and type ifconfig06:33
estresbazhang: wait a minute06:34
netdaemonif it's a hidden network i find a sudo iwlist wlan0 scan essid yourEssid works06:35
estresok I have done it06:35
netdaemonmay have to do that a few times06:35
bazhangestres, you see eth0 wlan0 and the like?06:35
estresI see eth0 eth1 lo06:35
bazhangestres, you trying to connect via ethernet or wireless06:36
estres ethernet06:36
estresI am conected right now by ethernet06:36
estresbut gnome06:36
bazhangsudo dhclient eth0  estres06:36
bazhangin KDE via Konsole06:37
estresI do not know why is not working in KDE06:37
estressame computer but in KDE no conection06:37
bazhangit will work in KDE if it works in GNOME via cmd line06:37
estresI think I did wrong button in kwallet06:37
bazhangcould be06:38
estreshow can I initialize this one or disble kwallet06:38
estresbecause I do not think is a configuration proble06:38
estresm06:38
estres??06:38
estresbazhang: do you think if I delete .kde may be it can solve my problem?06:40
bazhangestres, no06:41
estresbazhang: ok06:41
estresbazhang: please give some ideas to try06:41
bazhangestres, first see if the command works under KDE, worry about kwallet in a bit06:42
estresok I come back from KDE in a few minuts06:43
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bazhangestres, success? now in KDE?06:47
estresbazhang: yeah...06:47
estres;)06:47
estresthank you06:47
bazhangnice :)06:47
estresis working fine now06:47
estresI will try wireless now06:47
bazhanglet me get you a guide for cli (wireless) for future reference :)06:48
bazhanghttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188 estres06:48
bazhangwhoops06:48
netdaemoni have a question about the repos, why are the kde bugfix releases (kde 4.2.x) not in the main repos?06:49
bazhanghttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188 estres06:49
estresbazhang: wireless is working good06:49
estresbazhang: ok thank you06:49
netdaemoni can understand not wanting 4.3 hitting the main repos in the middle of jaunty's run, but a bugfix release :S06:49
TheJBird\06:57
coz_guys where is the menu editor in kde4 ?07:27
coz_sorry about that07:28
coz_hey guys how to get svg files to preview? in dolphin07:40
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Freewolfhey all08:36
Freewolfis there anybody willing to help with kmyfirewall configuration?08:36
ct529I am using top on a server, and it returns the memory nearly all used .... but it is not, no process is actually using it ....08:47
coz_is there a way to make dolphin preview svg images?08:47
hitmanкак открыть порт на kubunte?08:51
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ultralaserhow do i remove kde 4 and get 3 back09:26
ultralasercan anyone tell me how to get kde3 back and drop kde409:27
ultralaserBTW the answer was, Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty09:29
ultralaseryour welcome, stockholm09:29
TMKCodesHey where i can download kubuntu 8.1009:34
TMKCodes?09:34
TMKCodesi found :)09:35
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MamarokTMKCodes: it is Alpha 2, so be careful...09:46
TMKCodes:P09:46
TMKCodesTMKCodes: Damn that i had to try fedora 11 and broke my ubuntu8.10/KDE4.2 system :(09:47
ahmadhi10:18
ahmaddo u herme10:19
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Matissehi10:50
Matissehow do I find out, if my new sata hd is recognized?10:50
Matisseit has no filesystem on it10:50
shadeslayerMatisse: lsscsi10:52
shadeslayer!info lsscsi | Matisse10:52
ubottuMatisse: lsscsi (source: lsscsi): list all SCSI devices (or hosts) currently on system. In component main, is optional. Version 0.21-2 (jaunty), package size 35 kB, installed size 156 kB10:52
shadeslayerMatisse: you need to install it via apt-get first :)10:52
shadeslayerMatisse: or theres another method...remove the drive and plug it back in and type dmesg | tail in a terminal and see if its recognised there10:55
Tm_Tshadeslayer: not needed10:55
shadeslayerTm_T: hmm ?10:55
Tm_Tand you NEVER hotswap drives unless you know what you're doing10:56
Matisseshadeslayer, dmesg also showed something without replugging10:56
Matisseand lsscsi also worked, thx10:56
Tm_Tshadeslayer: no point replugging anyway, you can grep the information from dmesg10:56
shadeslayerTm_T: ok,ill remember that10:57
Matissethe update tool always shows "Changes:The list of changes is not available". Same problem for gnome, but there a update / reinstall solved the prob. How do I solve it in kde?11:14
shadeslayerMatisse: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade11:20
Matisseshadeslayer, thought I was already on the newest version...11:22
MatisseUbuntu 4.3.3-5ubuntu411:22
shadeslayer4.3 ??11:22
shadeslayerMatisse: its usually used for kernel upgrade (via backports) or for KDE upgrades from 4.2 to 4.2.4 and similar11:24
bug2783hi all11:24
shadeslayer!hi | bug278311:25
ubottubug2783: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!11:25
bug2783i have a problem with cpu temperature that with kde is more high that with gnome11:25
bug2783about 15 degrees up11:25
giovannic'è qualche italiano???11:26
shadeslayer!it giovanni11:26
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about it giovanni11:26
shadeslayer!it| giovanni11:26
ubottugiovanni: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (click col tasto destro sul nome del canale per entrare)11:26
ZensursulaHi, just a question: what is the "state of the art" WebDev Package for Kubuntu?11:27
shadeslayerbug2783: thats alot...did you try changing the power management to power save?11:27
Zensursulawhen I try to install Quanta, it comes with old stuff???11:27
shadeslayerbug2783: or tinker with the power settings and see if it works11:28
phmashadeslayer: what happens if someone comes in here talking Hindi?11:28
shadeslayer!in | phma11:28
ubottuphma: #ubuntu-in is the channel for Ubuntu in India11:28
shadeslayerphma: im a india11:28
shadeslayer*india11:28
shadeslayer*indian11:28
bug2783shadeslayer: i tried to change from performance to powersave11:29
bug2783but nothing change in the temperature11:29
phmaah! I thought they were named by languages11:29
Jimi_Neutralhi all, i just attatched a hdd as a salve cause i need to get something off it, this i the first time i have used the kde desktop can anyone tell me how i can see this drive graphically11:30
Matisseshadeslayer, isn't dist-upgrade for upgrading kubuntu (and not just only kde)11:31
shadeslayerJimi_Neutral: open dolphin11:31
shadeslayerMatisse: that too apart from other things11:31
MatisseI thought it's only used if a new version of (k)ubuntu is released...11:32
Jimi_Neutralshadeslayer, doplphin open11:32
shadeslayerJimi_Neutral: it should be on the left hand side11:32
Jimi_Neutralshadeslayer, i got home, netowrk, root, trash11:32
Jimi_Neutralshadeslayer, sorry im telling a lie, its not a slave, its on itw own bus11:33
Jimi_Neutralthats how i was told to set it up cause it has a problem11:33
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bug2783anyone use cpufreqd instead power manager?11:34
MatisseJimi_Neutral, start a shell,  then lsscsi11:34
shadeslayerJimi_Neutral: i think if you attach any removable storage media it should show up on dophin or atleast the devices plugged in plasmoid11:34
Matisseshadeslayer, doesnt sound like a removable media...11:34
Jimi_Neutralits not, its an ide hdd11:35
shadeslayerJimi_Neutral: no idea then....11:35
MatisseJimi_Neutral, start a shell,  then lsscsi11:35
Matissethen maybe the given command for installing11:35
Jimi_Neutralok installing lsscsi now11:35
Matisselsscsi for finding out the /dev/...11:36
shadeslayerMatisse: that can be found by sudo fdisk -l11:36
bug2783damn11:36
Jimi_Neutralyou are talking to a linux newb by the way, sorry11:36
shadeslayerJimi_Neutral: install lsscsi and then sudo fdisk -l11:37
Jimi_Neutralhmm no its now showing it11:38
Jimi_Neutralnot11:38
Jimi_Neutralwth is going on11:38
Jimi_Neutralyou think it is cause it is on its own bus rather than being set up as a slave on the same ribbon?11:38
Matissewont work if not mounted11:39
Jimi_Neutral?11:39
Matisselsscsi11:39
Matissethe fdisk command wont work if not mounted so use lsscsi11:40
Jimi_Neutraland what exactly do i do with lsscsi11:40
Matisseshowing all plugged devices like hd and so11:40
Matisseevery ide / ata stuff11:40
sugalohi; how can i use gwenview's previous and next buttons with my keyboard arrows ?11:41
Jimi_Neutralaye, an i said, its showing the ATA disk the cdrom and for some reason its showing dvdram whatever that means11:41
MatisseJimi_Neutral, not both disks?11:41
sugalohm there is configure shortcuts button it's helpful11:41
Jimi_Neutralthe disk with th stuff i need to get off is plugged into the cdrom ide slot and the cdrom is on as a slave cause thats how this guy tol me to set it up11:42
Matissethats not important11:42
Jimi_Neutralwell its not showing the other disk anyway11:42
MatisseJimi_Neutral, are there 2 harddisk?11:42
Jimi_NeutralMatisse, yes11:42
Matissethats bad11:42
Jimi_Neutralit showed up fine when i plugged it in as an external into a windows machine11:43
Jimi_Neutralthru usb11:43
shadeslayerJimi_Neutral: then do the same for kubuntu11:43
Jimi_Neutralbut as i say when i tryied to copy i got an I/O error, thats why this guy told me to do it on a linux box and take a snapshot, then take the file off the good hdd11:43
MatisseJimi_Neutral, I mean does lsscsi  show 2 disks?11:43
Jimi_NeutralMatisse, no it doesnt11:44
Matissewell, then I got no idea. Ask the guy again, how a snapshot is done :) maybe you dont need to mount it or something...11:44
Jimi_Neutrali been trying to get hold of him11:45
shadeslayerJimi_Neutral: have a look at dmesg and see if its properly detected there11:45
Jimi_Neutralut hes not answering..i dont blame him11:45
MatisseJimi_Neutral, type: dmesg | grep sd11:45
Jimi_NeutralMatisse, how do i do that line11:46
Matissein a shell11:51
Matisselike before11:52
Jimi_Neutralno the vertical line11:52
Jimi_Neutralbetween dmesg and grep11:52
kasmassallam11:53
kasmasany urdu speaker here11:53
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MatisseJimi_Neutral,  i do it with "Alt Gr" + "<"11:53
kasmasjimi11:53
Jimi_Neutralyes11:53
kasmascan u help out11:53
Jimi_Neutralim nt a mind reader so i dont know11:53
kasmasmy browsing is not working11:53
kasmasbcaz i m using cable net with beyond isa server11:54
phmaon my keyboard it's shift backslash | what's your layout11:54
kasmasi don't where to download isa client for kubuntu11:54
Jimi_Neutralcomman not found11:54
Jimi_Neutrali found it, but the command doesnt work11:54
kasmasqwerty is my keyboard layout11:54
Jimi_Neutrali dont know kasmas, sorry i cant help u there11:55
phmaWhat happens? I get lines like "[   36.700000] sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sda"11:56
kasmasok11:56
kasmasis ur web browsing working on kubuntu ?11:56
Jimi_Neutralyes11:57
kasmasso how it work ?11:57
kasmashere i have isa client but it works only on windows11:58
kasmashello11:59
shadeslayerkasmas: isa client??12:00
shadeslayerkasmas: something like that 24 hour client thing?12:00
kasmasyes plz12:00
kasmasi m beyond isa client12:01
kasmashere on kubuntu i don't know how to run isa12:01
shadeslayerkasmas: well as i remember 1)there is no such client for kubuntu and 2) you can open konqueror and open any site and you will be directed to the login page which acts as a isa client12:01
kasmasyes you r  right12:02
shadeslayerkasmas: see...problem solved...have fun :)12:03
shadeslayerbye all...12:03
kasmasbut here is giving error that u do not have isa connected12:04
kasmascan any help how to connect browsing on kubuntu12:06
kasmasi m totally new in this OS12:06
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Mamarokkasmas: sorry, I don't even know what isa is12:08
MatisseJimi_Neutral, just mark the    |  with your mouse and middle-mouse click into the shell12:08
Mamarokkasmas: is this some sort of firewall or similar?12:09
kasmasyes12:09
mniHI all12:10
kasmashere is a internet provider he has isa server .through he manage ..and provide us net12:10
Mamarokkasmas: well, Linux uses it's own firewall application12:10
mnihow can i connect kubuntu with internet12:10
mnihow can i connect kubuntu with internet?12:11
Mamarokkasmas: so you actually want to connect to their network, hence you have a network question, right?12:11
kasmasmni here is also problem with me same12:11
Mamarokmni: you need to setup your internet connection first I think12:11
kasmaslook i am talking to u offcource it is on internet ..but browsing is not working12:12
Mamarokkasmas: what broser are you using?12:12
kasmaskonqueror12:12
mniyes of course likewise me12:12
mnime too konquree12:12
kasmashere is giving some problem with proxies script or any thing related with proxy setting12:13
mniyes same as me12:13
Mamarokkasmas: well, the proxy settings are doen in systemsettings -> Network12:13
Mamaroknot in the browser12:13
Mamarokdone*12:13
kasmascan u tell me how to set from there12:13
Mamarokkasmas: open that tool, you will see by yourself, I don't have your proxy settings, you need to enter those there yourself12:14
kasmasi know my server proxy12:14
mnikasmas: pls help me with e.g of proxy settings12:14
kasmasit is web:808012:14
kasmasmni wait i m trying to solve12:14
mniok12:15
Mamarokmni, kasmas both, just read what is written in the Network Settings, it's self explaining12:15
mniam waching:)12:15
kasmasthere some option that say12:15
kasmasdirect connect to internet12:15
kasmasuse manually proxies12:15
Mamarokwell, obviously that's not the one...12:15
kasmasand other url proxy12:16
Mamarokkasmas: how did you setup your proxy in WIndows then? It's the same way here12:16
kasmasyes offcourse here i am did same was there ..but it is not working12:16
Mamarokyou need to either ask it to detect your proxy settings automatically, or enter the proxy details12:16
kasmasautomatically is not working ..and manually i m filling but nothing is happining12:17
Mamarokdoesn't your ISP provide a proxy setting URL?12:17
Mamarokkasmas: you need to reconnect your lan after the settings are done12:17
kasmasThe page cannot be displayed12:17
kasmas  Explanation: There is a problem with the page you are trying to reach and it cannot be displayed.12:17
kasmas   12:18
kasmasTry the following:12:18
kasmasRefresh page: Search for the page again by clicking the Refresh button. The timeout may have occurred due to Internet congestion.12:18
kasmasCheck spelling: Check that you typed the Web page address correctly. The address may have been mistyped.12:18
kasmasAccess from a link: If there is a link to the page you are looking for, try accessing the page from that link.12:18
kasmasTechnical Information (for support personnel)12:18
FloodBotK1kasmas: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.12:18
Mamarokkasmas: please, use the pastebin for more than 3 lines!12:18
Mamarok!paste | kasmas12:18
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kasmasi think no one can help on kubuntu12:19
kasmasi change my OS12:19
Jimi_NeutralMatisse, im on a diff pc but i did the line anyway and the command dint work12:20
Mamarokkasmas: come on, you loose patience very fast :)12:20
Mamarokkasmas: see with #ubuntu, there are more eyes there, and don't forget we are all volunteeres here12:20
kasmasdear i already searched lot of about this12:21
kasmasbut net is beyond on isa server12:21
Mamarokkasmas: well, you are here since not more than 15 minutes...12:21
MatisseJimi_Neutral, what did it say?12:21
sugalokasmas: you are connected on internet and you can talk on irc but you can't browse ?12:21
kasmasyes but after some days i cut out my this harddisk which has kubuntu installed  bcaz of browsing is not working12:22
kasmasyes12:22
Mamarokkasmas: you need to be patient or get payed support then :/12:22
kasmassugalo u r812:22
sugalokasmas: hm .. who is your ISP ?12:22
sugalowhat* (?)12:22
bazhangsounds like dns not isa-relate12:22
kasmas11.0.0.1 here is my server ip12:23
sugalokasmas: no i'm asking the name of your provider12:23
sugalo(i had a similar problem once i12:23
kasmasPTCL12:23
sugaloit was becoming from my ISP)12:23
Jimi_NeutralMatisse, bash:   sd: command not found12:23
kasmasim  4rm pakistan12:23
sugalohm ok12:24
sugalokasmas: and can you 'ping' ?12:24
sugalokasmas: for instance 'ping 209.85.227.147'12:24
MatisseJimi_Neutral, you have to put that in one line12:25
DasDeeHi guys. new to kubuntu & having probs wit internet conn12:25
Matissedmesg | grep sd12:25
ActionParsnipDasDee: ask and the room will reply if it can12:25
Jimi_NeutralMatisse, i did12:26
DasDeei can't connect to both the LAN & internet using both the Ethernet & wireless12:26
DasDeepls i ll b nidin a step by step demo if possible12:26
bazhangDasDee, open a konsole12:27
MatisseJimi_Neutral, but then that error message wouldnt come. "sd" is a input for grep and not a command12:27
DasDeesugalo, i dont even know to do d pingin. i am a newbie12:27
sugaloDasDee: so you are kasmas ?12:28
kasmasyes12:28
sugaloDasDee: open Konsole and type 'ping 209.85.227.147' and give us the output12:28
kasmasthat ip is not pinging12:28
kasmasok can any 1 send me software for playing audio and video files12:29
MatisseJimi_Neutral, still the error message?12:29
bazhangkubuntu-restricted-extras kasmas12:30
kasmasok12:30
kasmasbut i don;t have any software which can play audio or video file12:30
bazhangkasmas, sure you do12:30
bazhangkasmas, this is Ubuntu or Kubuntu12:31
kasmaskubuntu12:31
kasmasand my browsing is not working12:31
sugaloyou can't ping google that's weird12:31
bazhangkasmas, open a konsole and type sudo apt-get update  <--what does that return12:31
kasmasyes it is pinging12:32
Jimi_NeutralMatisse, i am putting in dmesg grep | sd and it is saying bash: sd: command not found12:33
sugalokasmas: ok; what about 'ping www.google.com' ?12:33
bazhangkasmas, run the command above12:33
kasmasi think this Os is much harder then xp12:33
sugaloJimi_Neutral: put the pipe ( '|' ) at the right place :)12:33
kasmasall things r corrent but i don;t know i to set proxy for browsing12:33
MatisseJimi_Neutral, the | is at the wrong position12:34
bazhangkasmas, thought you wanted to play video and audio?12:34
kasmasyes12:34
MatisseJimi_Neutral, so I have to do a reboot now...12:34
bazhangthen sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras (from the konsole)12:34
ActionParsnipbazhang: whats the difference between ubuntu-restricted-extras and kubuntu-restricted-extras12:36
digdeepkasmas: System -> System Settings -> Proxy12:36
ActionParsnipand for than matter xubuntu-restricted-extras12:36
bazhangkasmas, did you run the command or not?12:36
kasmasyes12:36
kasmashere is saying12:36
bazhangActionParsnip, gstreamer vs libxine I would imagine for starter12:36
kasmascoud not find package12:36
Jimi_Neutralmatisse: ok done that, sorry, doing too many things at once12:37
DasDeesori guys, i am starting the other sys wit kubuntu12:37
bazhangkasmas, is this a livecd, or have you installed kubuntu12:37
kasmasi installed12:37
ActionParsnipbazhang: cool, thought it was jut a comfortable name etc12:37
kasmasburned a cd12:37
bazhangDasDee, = kasmas ??12:37
bazhangkasmas, paste.ubuntu.com with your /etc/apt/sources.list12:38
bazhangkasmas, do NOT paste here.12:38
ActionParsnip!paste12:39
ubottupastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic12:39
kasmascan i update kubuntu 8.04 to 9.04 ?12:40
bazhangkasmas, you are not following through on what you are asking12:41
bazhangkasmas, please finish the first steps (installing audio and video codecs)12:41
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kasmasyes bazhang12:42
kasmaswhere to download codec ?12:42
bazhangkasmas, I told you12:43
kasmasit say could't find packages12:43
bazhangsudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras <<<---- kasmas12:43
bazhangkasmas, in that case paste.ubuntu.com /etc/apt/sources.list12:44
kasmaswhere to put this command     paste.ubuntu.com /etc/apt/sources.list12:44
bazhangkasmas, open a konsole12:45
kasmasyes12:45
kasmasthen12:45
kasmasthan12:45
kasmashi ahmad12:46
kasmasdo u speak urdu ?12:46
bazhangin konsole type: cat /etc/apt/sources.list12:46
kasmasyes12:47
bazhangthen paste.ubuntu.com (in a browser) and paste that there <<<-- give us the resulting link kasmas12:48
kasmasbut my browsing is opening any site12:49
bazhangkasmas, okay, then in a console type ifconfig12:49
bazhangkasmas, and do you see eth0 wlan0 lo etc ?12:50
kasmasyes12:50
DasDeeerror msg after pinging "could not open loc file.permission denied"12:50
kasmasbazhang can i invite u in my pc ?12:52
ActionParsnipbazhang: why not use pastebinit12:52
DasDeebazhang i too see the messages now12:53
DasDeewat next pls ?12:53
DasDeebazhang, but no error msgs12:54
bazhangkasmas, ping www.google.com12:54
kasmasyes it is pingin12:55
bazhangkasmas, now ctrl c12:55
kasmasyes than12:55
DasDeebazhang: after pingin google.com, error msg command not found12:56
bazhangsudo apt-get update kasmas12:56
kasmasin konsole ?12:56
bazhangYes12:56
ActionParsnipore systems if they are available12:57
kasmasThe update command takes no arguments     this is giving12:57
kasmasbazhang do u use windows?12:57
bazhangkasmas, are you running these commands on a windows machine?12:57
kasmasno dear12:57
kasmasi m running these commands on kubuntu konsole12:58
kasmasi was just asking do u use windows xp or vista ?12:58
kasmasr u newbie in kubuntu  ?12:58
bazhangkasmas, sudo apt-get update   <--- just like that12:58
kasmasi think this command is working12:59
kasmasbut the ISA SERVER is denied13:00
kasmasThe ISA Server denied the specified Uniform Resource Locator (URL)13:00
bazhangkasmas, you are accessing the internet from home, school office or where13:01
kasmashome13:01
bazhangwhat is ISA server?13:01
cortex_sk:D i hope "isa server" is not this http://www.microsoft.com/forefront/edgesecurity/isaserver/en/us/default.aspx13:01
kasmaslike there r network servers13:02
kasmasand individual windows server13:03
bazhangno idea about windows servers, isa server etc13:03
kasmasok thank u very much bazhang13:03
kasmasu tried lot of help13:03
kasmashave u not ever use windows  ???????????????13:04
bazhangperhaps they can help with ISA server issues in ##windows13:04
bazhangnever touched it myself, except to fix broken ones13:04
kasmasok13:05
kasmascan u not send me here some software packages ?13:05
kasmasi m 21 years old ..and u ? bazhang13:05
Tm_T!ot | kasmas13:05
ubottukasmas: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!13:05
kasmasthis is really nice to talk with u13:05
kasmasthere is no 1 replaying13:07
bazhangkasmas, this channel is for support ONLY ; chat in #kubuntu-offtopic13:08
kasmasok13:09
kasmasbazhang ur asl ?13:09
bazhangkasmas, not here, and not on freenode really, you can also chat in #defocus13:10
zirodaykasmas: could you stop PM'ing me please13:11
kasmasok13:12
bazhangkasmas, /join #defocus13:12
kasmasi think no buddy have good information w13:14
kasmasi thought Kubuntu will be very nice ..but when user don;t know any thing about it so how can i solve this13:15
kasmass13:17
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FloodBotK1kasmas: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.13:17
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bazhangkasmas, stop that13:17
Leo24MuGood afternoon :D13:21
Leo24Mui know ill look so noob, but... how can i install flash player on kubuntu 9.04?13:23
Leo24MuIm totally lost :S13:23
bazhang!flash | Leo24Mu13:23
ubottuLeo24Mu: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - See also  !Restricted and !Gnash13:23
kasmasgh'g13:24
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Leo24Muthanks ubottu13:24
Leo24Muill try now13:24
bazhangkasmas, this is abdullah ?13:24
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FloodBotK1kasmas: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.13:24
Leo24Muits my first time on linux :p13:24
kasmasg'h13:25
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bazhangkasmas, stop13:25
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Leo24Muubottu:13:26
Leo24Muanother question for u plz13:26
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bazhangLeo24Mu, did you check the link ?13:26
Leo24Mujajaja13:26
Leo24MuYes, i checked the link13:26
Leo24MuBut i have a problem, im using firefox, so apt command is not associated13:27
Leo24Mu:S13:27
Leo24MuHow can i associate it to an app? :S13:28
johnfluxHey all13:29
johnfluxhow do I install ati drivers?13:29
claydoh!fglrx13:29
ubottuFor Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto13:29
johnfluxhmm, is this out of date now:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI/  ?13:30
claydohjohnflux: but first make sure your card is supported by the binary driver13:30
Leo24Muclaydoh: can you help me, please?13:30
grandihow do I kill the system sounds in kubuntu 09.0413:31
johnfluxclaydoh, I can't find the restricted manager in 9.0413:31
johnfluxclaydoh, the instructions on that page are a year out of date13:31
claydohjohn but still valid13:31
johnfluxclaydoh,  it says:13:32
johnfluxEnable accelerated the accelerated ATI graphics driver in the restricted-manager, then do:13:32
johnfluxclaydoh, how do I do that?13:32
claydohtry under system - hardware drivers from the k-menu13:33
claydohif that is not working, then install package xorg-driver-fglrx13:34
johnfluxah, hardware drivers13:34
johnfluxI'll update that wiki page13:34
claydohjohnflux: what video card? many are not suppordted bt the latest driver13:34
claydohLeo24Mu: what's up?13:35
MatisseJimi_Neutral, back13:35
Leo24Muclaydoh:  im talking to a spanish guy on another kubuntu channel ^^ thanks anyway13:36
johnfluxclaydoh, 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]13:40
johnfluxclaydoh, the hardware installer thing doesn't mention any option about installing a driver for this13:40
johnfluxclaydoh, so maybe it isn't supported13:40
claydohit may not be supported by the new driver13:41
* claydoh checks13:41
Jimi_NeutralMatisse, sorry work called13:43
MatisseJimi_Neutral, do you want to try further?13:45
johnfluxclaydoh, "I have radeon xpress x1250 in a laptop which is 1200 series chipset; I read in the fourums that this chipset has been "blacklisted" due to a bug that causes Ubuntu to crash if enhanced graphics are enabled"13:46
johnfluxclaydoh, from ubuntuforums13:46
claydohprob true, i waswading through a seasrch and finding that out13:47
Jimi_NeutralMatisse, i wil have to leave it for a minute, got loads going on with sorting out new smart phones for our reps but ty, i might come back to you laters13:47
MatisseDont know how long I'm going to stay here13:48
Matissejust ask, if you have time13:48
claydohjohnflux: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver13:49
claydohhas some tweaks you can try to xorg, and some of the links at the bottom have some as well13:50
Jimi_Neutralok ty matisse13:50
claydohjohnflux: but these are more advanced things13:50
ahoxHi, is there something like kprof (gui for gprof) for kde4?13:55
bazhangwhat is gprof13:56
ahoxa profiler13:56
bazhang!info gprof13:56
ubottuPackage gprof does not exist in jaunty13:56
ahox!info kprof13:57
ubottukprof (source: kprof): a KDE3 visual tool to help analyze profiling results. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.3-10 (jaunty), package size 116 kB, installed size 580 kB13:57
bazhangahox, seems that you have to use that with kde413:59
ahoxkprof crashes, and I haven't figured out yet, why13:59
bazhangahox, not everything got the kde4-ization13:59
liberviscowell KDE 4.3 still has display issues (plasma leaving trails, not as well performing as I expected)14:06
liberviscoand I still don't get why does it take a second for quassel to send a message when it takes a milisecond in xchat.. sluggishness is the sole reason I prefer xchat to quassel14:07
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omeowwHi there.14:32
omeowwI can't seem to connect to a wireless network that has a WEP key.14:32
omeowwIf I reboot to Windows, I am able to connect just fine.14:32
omeowwDoes anyone know a fix to the problem? I googled a bit, but I'm not sure what to do.14:33
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Guest66237привет пиплы!14:33
omeowwConnecting to a router that uses a WPA key seems to work fine on Linux. I know WPA's better, but the company I work for refuses to change it. (And really, it should just work. =P)14:34
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nikitisI need help.  I'm trying to tell ventrilo to use my capture card, but instead it only sees playback for capture.  how can i remap14:37
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BluesKajHiya folks14:39
cw5411is there anyway to add a protected nfs share to fstab ?14:44
nikitisAnyone?14:50
cw5411does anyone come here to talk?14:53
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BluesKajcw5411, yes, to help you fix a problem, if we know the answer, when you ask a question :)14:56
claydohcw5411: this is a support channel, general chat can be found in #kubuntu-offtopic14:56
cw5411I asked a question14:57
BluesKajnikitis, you running a wine app , maybe the folks at #wine can help14:57
nikitisBlueKaj well it's wine yes, but it's my sound card configuration that is causing it14:58
BluesKajcw5411, yes, if we know the answer14:58
cw5411I asked about mounting a protected nfs share in fstab. Then I noticed that I got no reply, and that nobody was talking at all14:58
BluesKajnikitis,which soundcard ?14:58
nikitisThe original Audigy14:58
nikitisI think the problem is, for playback and capture cards, it's listed as the same thing14:59
nikitisAudigy 1 [SB0090] (rev.3, serial:0x511102) (ADC Capture/Standard PCM Playback)14:59
nikitisand it shows that for capture and playback cards15:00
claydohcw5411: probably just because no one watching knows the answer right off15:00
BluesKajnikitis, I see some patches for audigy in adept , check it out15:00
nikitiswhere is that?15:00
nikitisI'm new to kde15:00
BlakHat_hi guys, i just installed kubuntu 9.04 inside my windows 7 c:\ drive. does anyone know how i can start it?15:01
BluesKajthe adept package manager, or synaptic15:01
nikitiswhat's the package name?15:01
BluesKajBlakHat_, you should have a grub menu at boot15:02
BluesKajBlakHat_, did you use wubi ?15:02
cw5411claydoh: I have no problem with that. Wasn't trying to be smart.15:03
cw5411claydoh: just thought it odd that no one at the time was saying anything/15:03
claydohcw5411: didn't think  you were :)15:03
BlakHat_BluesKaj, i dont for some reason15:03
claydohcw5411: sometimes it just gets quiet :)15:03
BlakHat_yes15:04
BluesKajnikitis, sudo apt get install adept15:04
BluesKajerrsudo apt-get install adept15:04
cw5411I guess so, I am knew to kubuntu and this channel I am from gentoo, and they talk talk talk :-D15:04
BluesKajwe talk when we're helping , otherwise just for chatting we use #kubuntu-offtopic15:05
BlakHat_i also went to right click my computer, properties, advanced settings, startup settings, and it only shows windows 7 as the only operating system installed15:05
BlakHat_for some reason i didnt get a grub menu and it didnt install into the boot manager...15:05
BlakHat_is that normal?15:05
claydohcw5411: well it is usually busy enough in here15:05
claydohBlakHat_: did you use Wubi to install it inside windows?15:07
BluesKajBlakHat_, reboot, there should be a choice , it'll look like the windows boot menu manager , kubuntu should be listed15:07
claydohBlakHat_: I don't think wubi would install grub, but somehow add an entry to the windows bootloader15:07
BluesKajyes , I was mistaken about grub ...it just adds kubuntu to the boot manager list15:08
BlakHat_hmmm, actually none of those options are the case here15:09
BlakHat_BluesKaj claydoh when i restart my pc, it goes straight to windows15:09
BluesKajI should know that..got juanty installed by wubi on our laptop15:09
BlakHat_oh i made a mistake15:10
claydohBlakHat_: never used it  myself no windows here15:10
BlakHat_i am installing kubuntu 8.04 not 9.0415:11
claydohthe wubi may not support windows 7 maybe?15:11
BluesKajwubi on W7 ? maybe wubi won't work on it15:11
BlakHat_i think that should b the case15:11
BlakHat_i was hoping there is a manual way to install it?15:12
BlakHat_install grub i mean15:12
BluesKajBlakHat_, no matter what kubuntu version , don't think wubi has been written for W7 yet15:12
BlakHat_BluesKaj i guess so. anyway just wanted to know if this is normal, i guess not15:13
BluesKajBlakHat_, I have W7 on one partion and Kubuntu on the other, dual boot is the best way to go15:13
BluesKajerr partition15:14
BlakHat_BluesKaj ya, i have 4 linuxes, quadruple booting :P but i was trying to install for a frend15:14
BlakHat_ok i will see you latter15:14
BluesKajeven for your friend15:14
claydohBlakHat_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=102157615:15
BlakHat_he is new, jus wwants to mess around, doesnt want to commit15:15
BluesKajyou can always fix grub later , BlakHat_15:15
BlakHat_dont want to have to partition and shit15:15
BlakHat_claydoh THANKX15:15
BluesKajsounds like your friend is serious bleeding edge by running W715:16
PiciBlakHat_: Please mind your language in this channel.15:16
BlakHat_this is exactly it15:17
KubuntuStudioLivI may be loged in using someone elses name?15:17
BlakHat_Pici, sori15:17
BlakHat_claydoh i am trying that solution now...15:17
BluesKajclaydoh, that's installing grub :)15:20
claydohBluesKaj: hopefully it still works for BlakHat_ :)15:20
claydohbut entry #23 shows  to edit widows' boot menu15:21
BluesKajclaydoh, yeah hopefully  for sure :)15:21
* claydoh has a complete lack of windows hacking skills anymore15:22
BluesKajit's sort of a given , when installing windows after linux15:22
BluesKajyeah, i just keep windows around to help friends and family who fail to understand (or won't ) the benefits of Linux :)15:23
BluesKajWicd  found several more local wifi networks than the default network management ... I was able to piggy back on an unsecured network to get advice here on how configure the encryption on mine :)15:26
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ejmok, has anyone had problems with wesnoth lately? I'm using ubuntu 9.04 with ext4 32-bit15:32
ejmMy problems are the sound/music just stopping, and also when I try to quit in fullscreen mode, it freezes up X.org15:33
noaXesshey folks15:36
noaXesssometimes i get no update information, so i need to manually run sudo apt-get update... the settings are to automaticaly check for updates each day..15:37
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noaXessis there another settings i need to set, that updates are checked each day?15:39
zer0ohi guys how do u format a pen drive?15:40
zirodayzer0o: you can use qtparted15:41
zer0ogparted does not do the same?15:41
zer0ocuz it doesnt see it15:41
zer0oisnt there a command from the terminal?15:41
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ejmapt-get update15:44
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liberviscoKDE 4.3 beta 2 causes more plasma artifacts than 4.2 :S16:02
paolo_que tal a todos los lunixeros....16:05
paolo_essto es lo mejor.......16:05
paolo_quien me dice un canal en espanol....16:07
libervisco#kubuntu-es16:07
Dragnslcr!es | paolo_16:07
ubottupaolo_: En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es.16:07
paolo_gracias....16:08
paolo_el ingles no lo domino bien...16:09
DaskreeCHDoes the restricted Manager work in Jackalope?16:13
ZensursulaHi, just a question: what is the "state of the art" WebDev Package for Kubuntu?16:17
Zensursulai try to use the KDEWebDev but there is no GUI to it in Jackalope.16:17
ZensursulaInstalling Quanta means uninstalling KDEWebDEV?16:18
ZensursulaAny ideas?16:18
jared555any ideas why I can't ping server.local (local is my internal DNS setup) but I can ping server? they both work on the router, dns, and server machines16:29
jared555just not on this kubuntu machine16:30
julian__hallo16:30
declanHello lovely kubuntuites!!16:30
julian__hi16:30
julian__what's up16:30
declanHaving a problem with sound in flash/firefox. Seems common but i've tried some of the fixes i've seen from a google search and no luck.16:31
noaXess!raid16:31
ubottuTips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto16:31
declanmost seem gnomecentric (based on pulse)16:31
declanif anyone can help, that'd be great16:31
firecrotchjared555:  DNS is probably not working right for your Kubuntu machine... "server" is working because its the netBIOS name of the machine16:33
jared555firecrotch: resolv.conf is identical on all the machines16:35
jared555the only issue I can see is the AUTHORITY section being returned is listing the root name servers, not the local one16:35
noaXess!dmraid16:36
jared555http://pastebin.com/d6c64da316:36
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about dmraid16:36
noaXess!search dmraid16:36
ubottuFound:16:36
declanIs anyone anygood with flash issues? Or sound issues I suppose? thanks16:37
kazihi16:37
DaskreeCHdeclan: you have pulse installed?16:37
jared555note: router.local and server.local are separate machines, dns.local is a virtual machine on server.local16:37
kazidoes  anybody knows how to create xmlsitemap for OsCommerce website?16:37
declanI do, yeah. Its default install. Is that good/bad?16:38
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declanoh and thanks16:38
firecrotchjared555: Able to ping dns.local from the kubuntu machine?16:38
jared555nope16:38
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jared555http://pastebin.com/d6c64da3 <<< that is what dig returns also16:39
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jared555http://pastebin.com/d7c08e123 <<< that is the router's bind configuration16:39
firecrotchjared555:  What about by using the ip address of dns.local?16:39
jared555it doesn't actually return a response but I can connect to the machine16:40
jared555when I ping dns.local from the router it resolves the hostname and that is it16:40
jared555(which is how it is supposed to be)16:40
declanDamn. Sorry everyone. I feel really embarrassed. PCM was down low. turned it up and flash sound. For some reason everything else uses master except flash! Sorry !16:41
jared555the only machine that isn't *ubuntu* is the router16:41
firecrotchjared555: whats the router running on?16:41
jared555centos16:41
jared555it is still bind16:42
jared555firecrotch: , you happen to check out the pastebin links?16:42
firecrotchyes16:43
jared555notice anything there by any chance?16:43
firecrotchnope16:44
jared555http://pastebin.com/d630e2075 <<< one of the zone files16:44
DarkSmokehey guyzz16:57
DarkSmokeim having a problem on kubuntu, its crashing sometimes16:58
DarkSmokewhen i rm -rf something or compile :S16:58
DarkSmokethe screen just freezes16:58
dendrayaexit17:00
DarkSmokeexit what17:01
BluesKajDarkSmoke, that's an old irc cmnd for leaving a chat17:02
DarkSmokeah ok17:02
BluesKajDarkSmoke, no need to rm -rf  apps that have been instaaled with package mangers or apt ..only stubborn compiled apps that won't go away should be rm-rf'd17:07
DarkSmokei know17:08
DarkSmokei meant rm -rf something17:08
DarkSmokelike a folder or anything17:08
BluesKajDarkSmoke, have you updated/upgraded lately ?17:10
DarkSmokeyes my system is always up to date17:11
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ehehehany hits how to solve my printer problem? http://forums.linux-foundation.org/read.php?25,964017:22
eheheh*hints17:23
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tumundoinfo1alguien habla español aquí ?17:31
Zokuduwhys it so quiet in here17:32
tumundoinfo1reflauta... alguien conteste17:33
Tsangetsuno se..17:33
p_quarles!es17:33
ubottuEn la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es.17:33
tumundoinfo1gracias17:33
Tsangetsucreo que son elaces para otros foros...17:33
Tsangetsuregistrate en español..17:34
amikhow can I uninstall sendmail? I've apt-get remove/purged it, apt-get says it's not installed, but it's still up and running...17:35
BluesKajamik , how did you install it ?17:40
amikBluesKaj: 'apt-get install sendmail'17:41
amikI meant to install the sendmail utility used for sending out mail (because backuppc needs it), but found that it installed a whole smtp server thing. So I want to undo the installtion, but it doesn't seem to want to...17:43
BluesKajamik, maybe it runs as  daemon and has to be stopped first in order to remove it17:43
amikI tried that too (even though I'd expect the uninstall script to do it anyway)17:44
BluesKajwell you could copy the paths and the rm-rf them17:45
DragnslcrWhat happens when you try to remove the package?17:46
BluesKajthen rm -rf17:46
amikis there any way to see if the files somehow belong to a different package as well?17:46
BluesKajlocate17:46
amikDragnslcr: apt-get behaves as if it removed them, as normal. except, everything's still up and running.17:46
amikBluesKaj: I meant is there a way to see for a given file which package installed it? I'm thinking maybe the same files for some reason are part of another package too and so are left behind (does that even make sense?)17:47
BluesKajmaybe a reboot is in order , amik17:47
DragnslcrAre you just doing apt-get remove sendmail?17:47
BluesKajyeah, kmail maybe ?17:48
amikI thought reboots after install/uninstall is something I left behind with Windows ;-)17:48
amikDragnslcr: yep, and tried it with purge as well17:49
DragnslcrMy guess is that "sendmail" is just a metapackage17:49
BluesKajamik do you have adept or synaptic installed, preferably synaptic it will take it down / purge it as well as anything if apt was used to install it17:50
amikDragnslcr: how do I check that?17:51
Dragnslcr"apt-cache show sendmail" will show you all the other packages that it depends on17:52
amikBluesKaj: I have adept, but afaik it's just a front end to apt-get17:52
BluesKajyes , but synaptic is better at removing dependencies and warning about conflicts when removing packages17:53
DragnslcrYou could also try "apt-get autoremove sendmail" to uninstall the dependency packages17:54
ZokuduOk I'm new to Linux in general. If I install Kubuntu on its own partition will it be able to load any music or text files etc I had saved in wondows?17:55
Zokuduwindows*17:55
BluesKajZokudu, yes17:56
amikZokudu: I'm also a convert, and I access my media files from the old NTFS (windows) drive/partition, so - yes :-)17:56
DragnslcrZokudu- most likely, yeah17:56
ZokuduThats cool so if I'm nervous about doing a large partition scheme Just tossing Kubuntu onto a 20 GB partition and put an 8GB SWAP in is all I need?17:58
w-heathi, is there any way I can disable a specific USB device from automounting?17:59
DragnslcrZokudu- that would work for a test drive, yeah18:02
amikwell I've found a few more packages which were installed with sendmail - sendmail-base sendmail-bin sendmail-cf and removed them, so I'll try a restart now - thanks for the help guys :-)18:06
tmkcodesHow do i disable kubuntu 8.10 from upgrading?18:06
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kaddiw-heat what do you mean by automounting? As far as I know external drives aren't automatically mounted when they are inserted.18:07
Dragnslcramik- in theory, "apt-get autoremove sendmail" would uninstall those packages for you18:07
amikDragnslcr: in theory :-)18:08
DragnslcrHeh18:08
grim_salut out le monde18:08
DragnslcrDid you try it?18:08
grim_quelqun parle francais ?18:08
w-heatkaddi: I presumed that the device notifier's option to browse the filesystem meant that it had mounted it. Anyway, think I've got it: add an elective mountpoint in fstab18:08
Dragnslcr!fr | grim_18:08
ubottugrim_: Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr18:08
DaskreeCHamik: A uninstall doesn't have to stop the server in fact you can uninstall a server and install a brand new upgraded one with a new config file without disturbing the service18:08
amikDaskreeCH: there's never a 'file in use' problem (as there always is in windows)? everything is loaded once in memory?18:09
DaskreeCHamik: no the process is divorced from the file unless it's database or streaming in data from the HDD18:09
DaskreeCHOr for some reason it wants to lock it18:10
* DaskreeCH stares hard at OO.o18:10
kaddiw-heat: in the default config the drive will only be mounted when you choose to broswe the filesystem. If you only insert the stick it is simply recognized, but not mounted. (at least on my pc. :) ) Glad to hear you found what you were looking for, because I couldn't have told you about the elective mountpoints ;)18:10
DaskreeCHamik: you could in theory wipe out the entire hard drive from under Linux running and replace it18:10
w-heatkaddi: I see - perhaps there's no need for an elective mountpoint then! Thanks for the response :)18:11
developerI need some help installing  QT Creator18:11
DaskreeCHTMKCodes: It shouldn't upgrade unless you tell it to so a better question is why is it automatically upgrading18:11
amikDaskreeCH: good to know! (in the 'very interesting' sense, not the 'I should try that sometime' sense :-) )18:11
developerand all staf for it18:11
developercan anyone help me with this18:12
developer?18:12
DaskreeCHamik: I did try it Libc6 will screw up but the system will still be running18:12
DaskreeCHgranted with a lot less icons :) and anything that wasn't hashed of course can't be run again18:12
DaskreeCHdeveloper: #qt can probably help :)18:13
amikwell I think I'll have to reboot anyway, coz I can't find a way to stop the sendmail daemon18:14
DaskreeCHwhat did you try?18:14
amik /etc/init.d/senmail is still there, but seems to do nothing18:14
amikwouldn't it be removed by the uninstall? it's still there on-disk...18:15
DaskreeCHamik: you did sudo /etc/init.d/sendmail stop ?18:15
DaskreeCHamik: not if you didn't do a purge I think18:15
amikDaskreeCH: yes, I did a stop. and I did a purge too - that was my original question here - I'm trying to remove/purge/destroy sendmail, but it won't budge18:17
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Zokudulol destroy18:20
DaskreeCHI'm guessing that sendmail is really a collection of stuff18:20
DaskreeCHmost people use postfix (like the person who wrote sendmail) It's actaully a really bad bit of software18:20
phmaI have /boot 69% full, with 8 kernels and 12 initrds. What's the proper way to delete the old ones?18:26
DaskreeCHapt-get remove18:26
phmahow do I remove just the old versions?18:28
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fabrizio_Hi18:37
Cictaniphma: use sudo apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.xx-xx etc (exactly the version as in /boot)18:39
BluesKajphma, use Synaptic Package Manager or Adept and search for linux-image, choose the older versions and remove them18:41
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commander_kopete is not working for me . can i try pidgin?18:51
tmkcodesSoo, how do i disable kubuntu 8.10 from suggesting upgrade?18:51
Dragnslcrcommander_- you can if you want, or you can try asking for help with Kopete18:52
commander_yeah for some reason Yahoo i'm not getting when i load it up18:53
DragnslcrPidgin has the same problem. It's on Yahoo's end18:54
Dragnslcr!yahoo18:54
ubottuAt the moment there are many pidgin users experiencing problems connecting to Yahoo IM, you can try changing your paging server to cs101.msg.mud.yahoo.com and see if that helps.18:54
susafderhello18:54
amikhi18:54
susafderthe beta has expoded my desktop can i switch to gnome ?18:56
BluesKajamik , did you get rid of sendmail ?18:56
amikwhich beta?18:56
susafder4.2 kde18:57
susafdersorry 4.3 i still have a shell18:57
amikBluesKaj: I rebooted, uninstalled the dependent packages (which weren't automatically installed), and now it's not running, although it left garbage behind (e.g. /etc/init.d/sendmail)18:57
amiksusafder: u can install the gnome desktop, but u can probably also reinstall kde 4.2.4 ... what exactly happened?18:58
susafderi ran an update after adding the backport depot then kde would not give me the login screen and now it doesn't show me anything i can read19:00
susafderbut i can still boot in recovery mode19:01
amikcan u uninstall what u installed?19:02
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susafderwell i was thinking removing all kde and going for a stable kde if possible19:03
susafderbut at this point i don't even know the state of X19:03
susafderhow do i reconfigure the X server knowing that i have an nvidia card19:04
amikhmmm... I think dpkg-reconfigure can do something of the sort, but iirc it ends up not being identical to the auto-configuration of a fresh install (never did figure out how to redo that)19:06
amikbut maybe it'll work19:06
amikbtw, there might be a backup xorg.conf in /etc/X11...19:07
amikbtw I'm far from a pro with linux - sorry... if anyone here knows better, please do speak up :-)19:08
commander_does anyone have digikam 0.10.0?19:08
dmitry_привет всем!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!19:10
amiksusafder: also, if it helps, the package names for the desktops are ubuntu-desktop (gnome), kubuntu-desktop (kde), xubuntu-desktop (xfce), etc.19:10
BluesKaj!ru | dmitry_19:10
ubottudmitry_: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke19:10
susafderok i found some backups in /etc/x1119:11
amiksuafder: so u can copy them over xorg.conf (u can back that one up too, in case it's not what's broken) and restart X19:12
commander_hello!19:12
amikcommander_: hi19:12
houdinihello19:12
BluesKajamik, alt+f2 kdesudo konqueror  /etc/init.d    find the find the guilty party, right click and delete :)19:13
houdinicould i get some possible help with sound card activation?19:13
amikcommander_: sorry, I know nothing of digikam19:13
susafderYES  it looks back on thanks that was the X conf that had broke19:13
commander_i have 2 problems 1.i can't get kopete to work so i want to install Pidgin. 2. does anyone on here have digikam 0.10.0?19:13
amikBluesKaj: yes, rm can work too... but god knows how much other junk is left elsewhere :-/19:14
BluesKajoops repeating myself again19:14
houdinihas anyone had problems with sound? If so how did they fix this? (the absence of sound during OS operation)?19:14
BluesKajamik , do a locate sendmail19:14
DaskreeCHTMKCodes: It shouldn't upgrade unless you tell it to so a better question is why is it automatically upgrading?19:15
BluesKajamik but I also have the libs and pythons by default even tho I don't have sendmail actually installed19:15
DaskreeCHsusafder: run sudo apt-get -f install19:16
amikBluesKaj: there are tens of files, and yes, I remember seeing some from before installation (when I was wondering if it's already installed by default or something) - so I'm reluctant to touch it19:16
amikI guess as long as it's not running, I can live with it until the next fresh install...19:16
BluesKajyeah amik , just leave it alone , as long as sendmail itself is no longer a problem19:17
amikcommander_: I use pidgin. it does a good job.19:17
commander_amik then that's who i want as a IM Clent on here.Kopete sucks and it n's not working .how can i get pidgin on here?19:18
DaskreeCHcommander_: apt-get install pidgin19:18
amiksusafder: so is everything ok now?19:19
amikhoudini: no idea about sound cards... mine just always worked19:20
Dragnslcrcommander_- if your problem with Kopete is that it can't connect Yahoo, Pidgin won't work any better19:20
compilerwriterIs anyone else have trouble with kpackagekit and Xwin in Jaunty?19:20
commander_I BELEIVE IT GOT SOMETHing to do w/Yahoo protocol19:21
houdiniamik: thanks ill try some of the tips online. Its pretty annoying with no sound..Make it harder to do work19:21
Dragnslcrcommander_- yes, it does, and it affects both Kopete and Pidgin19:21
Dragnslcr!yahoo | commander_19:22
ubottucommander_: At the moment there are many pidgin users experiencing problems connecting to Yahoo IM, you can try changing your paging server to cs101.msg.mud.yahoo.com and see if that helps.19:22
susafderkde is working but i lost sound and the icon for restart is missing19:22
DaskreeCHcommander_: If you just want to connect to yahoo then change your server in kopete19:23
houdinisusafder: Sound is gone for me too. I have had no luck getting it back19:23
BluesKajhoudini, in the terminal aplay -l19:23
houdiniBluesKaj, what does that command do??/19:24
BluesKajtells us what soundcard19:24
houdinioo kk19:24
commander_d i want to connect to Yahoo MySpace and i think there's a 3rd app you can connect to Facebook19:25
houdiniBlueskaj, Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: AD198x Digital [AD198x Digital]19:25
DaskreeCHYahoo's Myspace?19:25
DaskreeCHoh Yahoo, Myspace19:25
DragnslcrYahoo works fine for me on Kopete. No idea about MySpace (don't much care, either). The Facebook plugin is almost done (there's a package in the 9.10 repository for KDE 4.3)19:26
houdiniim having startup, and shutdown sounds. I believe that analog is working only. Have seen problems online consisting of this before but none of them helped.19:26
BluesKaj!Intelhda | houdini19:26
ubottuhoudini: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto19:26
amikBluesKaj: man, u know all them bot shortcuts darn well!19:27
amiksay, what goes into /var/log/messages? all system stuff? bootup messages too?19:28
houdiniBluesKaj,ubottu thanks very much for the advice, ill begin to work.19:29
susafderanyways i got my video back thanks a lot guys19:29
susafderbye19:29
tmkcodesHey i got an problem. Dolphin copy pasting does not work :/19:29
BluesKajamik, well it just happens that our laptop has kubuntu installed on it and that page helped me restore the sound afteran update :)19:31
DaskreeCHtmkcodes:  It shouldn't upgrade unless you tell it to so a better question is why is it automatically upgrading? (repost)19:32
DaskreeCHamik: pretty much19:32
tmkcodesDaskreeCH: it's not updating, but the notify is annoying and dolphin does not copy paste my files :/19:33
compilerwriterBlueskaj do you think I will be able to go directly from Ibex to Koala?  Jaunty is not working out for me at all.19:33
DaskreeCHtmkcodes: From where to where?19:33
DaskreeCHcompilerwriter: no19:33
tmkcodesDaskreeCH: it does not copypaste anything :P19:34
amikDaskreeCH: say I have a daemon that's supposed to run on boot (there's an rc script, init.d script which works manually, etc.), yet it doesn't start - where else can I find some mention of what happened, why it didn't start or if it tried to at all?19:34
BluesKajcompilerwriter, no, if you have broken apps it will just complicate the upgrade19:34
snarksterwould of you know what to add to the command line to automatically turn off composting for a wine program icon?19:35
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snarksteris there a command to turn off composting?19:36
DaskreeCHalt+shift+f1219:36
DaskreeCHtmkcodes: how are youcopy pasting?19:37
BluesKajamik , you may needd to make system links to rc*d  runlevels for the init.d script to run19:37
JuJuBeeSomething is up with my system.  When I log in, the desktop is gray and white checkerboard.  I cannot right click on the desktop and get a context menu anymore either to set background etc...(Appearance Settings)  My Panel is also messed up,  I cannot move things on the panel.19:38
DaskreeCHsnarkster: http://identi.ca/notice/505649719:38
tmkcodesDaskreeCH: mouse 2 click -> copy -> move to another folder -> mouse 2 click -> paste and i cant click the paste19:38
amikBluesKaj: there already are rc scripts in place19:38
snarksterDaskreeCH: Right I know alt-shift-f12, wouldnt be nice to leave it on but turn it off for certain programs?19:39
DaskreeCHJuJuBee: reset your config?19:39
JuJuBeeHow?19:39
DaskreeCHJuJuBee: do you have a cashew in the cupper right?19:39
DaskreeCHupper19:39
snarksterthat is awesome, now for a nuub like me how do i incorporate that?19:39
JuJuBeeI moved the .kde folder to kde_BAK and logged back in to similar problem.  No cashew in upper right. or on end of panel either.19:40
DaskreeCHtmkcodes: hmm ok can you make a new folder in the second folder?19:40
tmkcodesDaskreeCH: i can create folders19:40
snarksterdid you unlock?19:40
DaskreeCHJuJuBee: can you right click the panel and unlock it?19:41
DaskreeCHtmkcodes: Try using the copy to submenu19:41
amikis there a quick way to prefix a message with a username for irc hilite without having to type in the full name each time? (Konversation)19:41
JuJuBeeDaskreeCH: Not locked...19:42
tmkcodesDaskreeCH: Copy to submenu?19:42
DaskreeCH!tab | amik19:42
ubottuamik: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.19:42
DaskreeCHJuJuBee: When did this start19:42
JuJuBeeThis morning.19:42
JuJuBeeThe last thing I installed was kdepim-dev19:43
DaskreeCHtmkcodes: Settings -> configure dolphin -> general -> Context Menu -> show moveto/copy to19:43
liberviscoHi.. KDE4 compositing settings are a little sparse compared to compiz.. but anyway, is there a way to show the size of the window when resizing?19:43
libervisco(I use that to test scalability of my design in web browser.. to lower resolutions)19:44
DaskreeCHlibervisco: That has nothing to do with compositing :)19:44
tmkcodesDaskreeCH: that works.19:44
DaskreeCHlibervisco: Ah as in actual size?19:44
liberviscoDaskreeCH, oh.. I just remember it being a feature that turns on when compiz is on in GNOME..19:44
DaskreeCHYes but it has nothing to do with compositing :)19:44
liberviscoalright :)19:45
liberviscothen.. window management? :P19:45
DaskreeCHalt+F3 -> configure window -> moving -> show window geometery19:45
DaskreeCHtmkcodes: Great19:45
JuJuBeeDaskreeCH: sorry, I had to open my irc client via cli and I closed the terminal19:45
liberviscoDaskreeCH, awesome, thanks :)19:46
DaskreeCHJuJuBee: fine. Can you logout then rename your ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* files ?19:46
JuJuBeeI will try.  brb19:46
DaskreeCHLinux is great :)19:46
JuJuBeewait.  But I moved the  entire .kde folder so it had to create a new one...19:46
JuJuBeeSo I should have fresh copies...19:47
DaskreeCHJuJuBee: Did you do it while logged into KDE ?19:48
JuJuBeeno at the login screen ctrl+alt+f119:48
DaskreeCHthen loggedin ?19:48
JuJuBeeYes19:48
DaskreeCHHrrm that's funky19:48
JuJuBeeI agree19:48
JuJuBeeI will try it again I guess...19:49
JuJuBeebrb19:49
DaskreeCHsudo apt-get upgrade ?19:49
DaskreeCHsee if something needs updating?19:49
JuJuBeeNope.19:49
JuJuBeeAlthough 12 packages have been kept back...19:49
JuJuBee  kde-printer-applet kdebase-plasma kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-data kdegraphics-strigi-plugins kdeplasma-addons konqueror kopete linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic19:50
commander_ok i got digikam i'm good on that19:54
commander_also does anyone have cairo docks or kool docks?19:54
amikcommander_: what's that?19:55
commander_OSX DOCKS LIKE ON MAC u kNow AWN19:56
amikcommander_: sorry I don't19:56
amikbut I'm learning a lot on the channel today :-)19:57
compilerwriterI gave up on Jaunty and went back to Ibex.  I should be able to install KDE 4.2.4 though should I not?19:57
Dragnslcr!info kdebase intrepid20:02
ubottukdebase (source: kdebase): base applications from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid2 (intrepid), package size 67 kB, installed size 180 kB20:02
JuJuBeeDaskreeCH: I recently upgraded to lates amarok which I think upgraded kde to 4.3?  I had to install kdebase-worspace and things are working fine now.20:04
Dragnslcrcompilerwriter- there are KDE 4.2.2 packages for 8.10 in the PPA, but I'm not sure about 4.2.420:04
commander_ubottu it worked !20:05
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about it worked !20:05
amikhehe - commander_, ubottu is a bot, not a human. it shows info when someone asks it to, like Dragnslcr did right before that answer...20:06
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lenaHi, I might be in need of some help. When trying to install gimp using kpackage my screen turns black and does not respond to ctrl+alt+backspace nor powerbutton. Anyone heard of such a bug or know where I can find the logs that might tell me what has happen?20:22
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BluesKajlena, try insalling gimp with apt20:27
lenaBluesKaj, Yeah, I'm just looking for a more solid/permanent solution or if I should file a bugreport about this.20:28
BluesKajlena , the linux 3 finger salute works for some and not others20:28
lenanot in this case...20:29
BluesKajdoesn't work for me either , even with dontzap20:29
BluesKaj!dontzap20:30
ubottuTo re-enable the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace combination that restarts your X server, you can install the "dontzap" package and use the command « sudo dontzap --disable ». The combination Alt+SysRq+K can also be used to obtain a similar effect.20:30
lenak, thnx.20:31
julian__muy buenas tardes alguien habla español20:36
Dragnslcr!es | julian__20:36
ubottujulian__: En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es.20:36
julian__bien muchas gracias20:36
amikwhere does the output of echo commands in an init.d script go to (when run at boot time)20:37
commander_my facebook plugin is not working in pidgin20:40
DaskreeCHamik: messages20:48
DaskreeCHcommander_: ask in #ubuntu20:49
amik10x again20:49
DaskreeCHamik: hmm?20:50
amikDaskreeCH:  you (and the other guys) have been very helpful... I've learned a lot today :-)20:51
TMKCodeshmm.. any c++/SFML programmers here?20:53
DaskreeCHamik: Just hang out here you pick up so much every day that pretty soon you start wondering at why people think you are so skilled :)20:53
DaskreeCHlikely but if you want specific help #cplusplus is a good chan20:53
amiktrue... I actually helped out a couple of ppl here solve their problems, and I'm a noob myself :-)20:54
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w-heathi, is ext4 considered stable in light of the data loss issues recently?20:56
DaskreeCHw-heat: what data loss?20:58
amikw-heat: I don't have experience with it, but from what I've read, it's not stability per-se, but trouble that happens when u pull the plug on the pc, etc.20:59
w-heatDaskreeCH: http://www.h-online.com/open/Ext4-data-loss-explanations-and-workarounds--/news/112892 for example20:59
amikso if u have a ups, I don't think there's a problem (but again, it's just stuff I've read)20:59
w-heatin fact: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/31778121:00
amikon the other hand, when asking myself the ext3/ext4 question a couple months ago, I couldn't think of any reason for my usage pattern to care one way or the other, so I stuch with the battle worn ext321:00
w-heatyeah, reckon I will also go that way21:00
w-heatthe reason I ask is that I've currently got an NTFS partition mounted from my old windows install; would there be a noticeable performance increase in switching to ext3?21:01
amikis there supposed to be any significant performance difference of ext4 over ext3? or some other advantage?21:02
amikagain, I'm not too experienced, but regarding NTFS I think there will be a difference.21:02
amikfrom my personal experience, NTFS drivers are comewhat cpu intensive and somewhat slow21:02
w-heatamik: I thought there would be from NTFS -> ext3 and I assume that there is little point in ext4's existence unless there is some speed increase21:02
amikthere might be differences other than speed - features which, as filesystems go, the majority of ppl won't really care about or notice...21:04
amikcopying many GBs off NTFS on my system was much slower than the actual disk speed should have been... I'd switch if I didn't need compatibility21:06
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w-heatamik: well, thanks for the advice21:10
w-heatgoing to copy my 400gb onto external drives and reformat as ext3 as i've succesfully used kubuntu for 6 months now without a single dual boot21:10
amgarchIn9amik: NTFS is a hack in user space, use it only when interoperability matters21:10
BluesKajI tried ext4 on jaunty ,, was vaery unstable , lots of freezups21:10
w-heatext3 it is then :P21:11
BluesKajor lemme rephrase that...jaunty on ext4 is unstable in my experience21:11
amikamgarchIn9: NTFS is very stable (r/w) and works great for day to day use - the only drawback I've found is when copying many GBs which is somewhat slower than it should be. I do keep it for interoperability, but all in all they did a very good job with it21:13
DaskreeCHw-heat: It is significantly faster for some use cases and the same for the others It also does full fscks in seconds for multi terrabyte drives which is very useful for server/databse machines21:17
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DaskreeCHBluesKaj: You lost data?21:18
BluesKajdolphin comes with a default link to NTFS volumes , no need to install any other apps to access NTFS21:18
w-heatthe problem with ext4's delayed commit is pretty well explained in the wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4 ; basically you get datat loss instead of the old file contents in the case of power loss before fsync21:18
BluesKajDaskreeCH, no had it on another partition just in case and i copied it back after reformatting to ext321:19
BluesKajthe data21:19
DaskreeCHw-heat: That's not a problem with ext421:21
DaskreeCHBluesKaj: Right :) but did you lose any data when it was on the ext4 partition?21:21
w-heatDaskreeCH: it's not a bug, it's a feature? Basically it doesn't behave in the way that most users would want which is to either preserve the old file, or the new file in case of powerloss. In ext4, if there is power loss before fsync the file is obliterated21:22
BluesKajDaskreeCH, i never stopped to check , after the 4th or so freezup, i gave up on ext4 and just reformatted and reinstalled jaunty21:23
amikany thoughts on how to debug a daemon that isn't starting on boot? it's in the rc.d's, init.d, runs manually ok, but on boot shows no sign of life - daemon process doesn't exist, and no mention in /var/log/messages. How do I figure what's going on?21:25
DaskreeCHw-heat: Right which is really how most file systems should work. Programmers just don't call fsync based on assumptions. What needs patching is the Linux Kernel to make fsync less expensive as per something like the BSd kernel21:25
DaskreeCHamik: How do you have it set to startup? Also21:26
DaskreeCH!upstart | amik21:26
ubottuamik: Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/21:26
BluesKajDaskreeCH, most of my data is media files etc21:26
DaskreeCHYeah Ext4 is pretty good with chunky data like that21:26
amikDaskreeCH: I followed some tutorial, basically prepared the script /etc/init.d/james (which starts manually ok when I just run it), and then 'update-rc.d james start 21 2 3 4 5 . stop 19 0 1 6 .' (it's the Apache James mail server, and it depends on mysql, hence 19/21 levels)21:28
DaskreeCH21 ?21:29
amikmysql starts/stops on level 20 (is it called level? is there a word for it?), so james starts on 21 (after) and stops before (19) it21:30
w-heatDaskreeCH: I'm afraid I'm not really competent to discuss the relative merits of BSD vs. Linux fsync performance and the philosophy of FS delayed-writes; all I know is that, as a user, if I suffered a power loss I'd be far happier with the old version of a file than a zero byter21:30
amikfrom the little I know, it looks like the rc.d scripts are all in place21:30
DaskreeCHw-heat: Agreed and Gnome and KDE are trying to work on that. The main back and forth fight is that the kernel FS devs are saying that ~/.kde and whatever Gnome uses should be a minidatabase type file instead of hundreds of small flat files which both DEs and myself personally disagree with. Something will be worked out by this time next year easily that will be good for all parties21:32
amikif, say, it did try loading on boot but failed for some reason, how would it show in messages log? I can't find any mention...21:32
DaskreeCHw-heat: Having said that ext4 is probably not a good choice for /home at this time. / is much more likely a good candidate And from the advances made ext4 really feels like a good fit for Server environments21:33
DaskreeCHplus nothing stops you from using ext3 for like ... forever21:33
DaskreeCHamik: if you are talking about boot up then Sysv only effectively has 6 levels21:34
DaskreeCH9 if you want to push it. where ae you getting 21 and 19 from?21:34
BluesKajamik, I beleive that the S20/21/etc designates what order the script starts21:35
amikDaskreeCH: I'm getting the terminology mixed up - I'm not talking about the runlevels, just the order in which scripts are run (0-99) - what's the name for those?21:35
amikboot order number? well anyway - I hope u know what I'm talking about :-)21:36
DaskreeCHamik: Right ok umm order?21:36
DaskreeCHDon't know actually :)21:36
DaskreeCHamik: in any case in short Ubuntu is no longer a SysV linux. Look at the docs there for upstart. It may give you a more Ubuntu way of doing thigns21:37
amikok, I shall. though being a beginner, I like to learn also the linux conventions not only ubuntu-specific.21:38
amikin any case, it should be working, no?21:38
DaskreeCHamik: Should. do you have the right pointers created in the /etc/rc.x directory?21:39
amikyes, they all seem in the right place21:40
BluesKajamik, what does the script actaually do ? I have a scipt that wouldn't run no matter what I did until a friendly pyTivo expert helped me with a small cmnd fix in the text21:41
amikhmmm strange - it looks like all rc scripts (not just james) are rwxrwxrwx, isn't that bad?21:42
BluesKajit was due to a " HW anomoly " whatever that was supposed to mean :)21:42
amikBluesKaj: the rc's are all links to /etc/init.d/james, which, when run manually from the console with sudo, starts the daemon and works perfectly21:42
DaskreeCHBluesKaj: Well he says that it works manually (assuming amik is a he)21:43
amikI am!21:43
DaskreeCH\o/21:43
BluesKajas did mine , yes , im familair with the situation21:43
amikthe strangest thing is that in hebrew, the pronounciation 'he', as a hebrew word, actually means 'she'! :-p21:44
BluesKajamik , this was the cmnd i used : /etc/init.d/pyTivo-autorun.sh start21:44
Dragnslcramik- yeah, but that chain of words was great for us kids21:45
amiknow one hint I got a few days back was the when run as root, as opposed to from the console, some environment variables don't exist (JAVA_HOME for instance), as well as path etc. but I already fixed that, and it worked iirc - it specifies all env variables it needs in the script itself21:45
w-heatDaskreeCH: all sounds good; I don't entirely understand the position of kernel devs for minidatabase, I mean what happens when that gets borked to a 0 byte file - the entire settings db is gone21:46
amikand finally - even if it fails, for whatever script/permissions/bad mood reasons, I'd expect it to have a mention somewhere, in some log - but I can't find it!21:46
amikman, this is driving me crazy...21:47
BluesKajamik I had to add nohup (whatever that means) to the line that calls the script to look for python and the application path21:48
DaskreeCHw-heat: It wouldn't get borked it only happens for files small enough foe the kernel to essentially eternally cache it without it being told to write them21:48
DaskreeCHfor21:48
DaskreeCHBluesKaj: nohup means that if the calling process dies then this process will continue to live and be promoted to it's grandparent (normally init)21:48
BluesKajaha ...thanks for that DaskreeCH21:49
DaskreeCHIt stands for nohangup21:49
w-heatDaskreeCH: oh, I see, so larger files would be immune because they would be written immediately. It seems a poor workaround to suggest that the problem would be fixed if your files were larger.21:49
DragnslcrWell that's better than what I was going to guess (tells the process to ignore sighup)21:49
amikare boot scripts run by the init process? by the root user?21:49
DragnslcrYeah, they're run by root21:50
DaskreeCHw-heat: no that's not fully what they were saying they were saying the whole system would work better if that was done but wasn't the actual only solution they proposed. Naturally if it provides good benefits it should be discussed which is what is going on now21:50
DaskreeCHDragnslcr: Same thing :)21:51
DragnslcrHeh, but you actually knew what you were saying21:51
w-heatDaskreeCH: well, as I said, I'm no expert, but thank you for the synopsis. Will be interesting to see which way it goes :)21:52
DaskreeCHYeah I could give you more history but basically it means when you stop caring as longas there is a root user it will keep running that process21:52
DaskreeCHw-heat: Forward ;-)21:52
w-heatDaskreeCH: oh you positivist you! ;P21:53
BluesKajbbl21:53
DaskreeCHw-heat: one of the fun things with FOSS is that the code normally wins over politics if it gets too much of a back and forthsomeone who just wants the system to work will do it that way and everyone else will folow21:53
DaskreeCHunless it's not worth it no one is held at ransom21:54
w-heatDaskreeCH: well, it can only be a good thing - anyway, night night, I'm off now :)21:54
DaskreeCHgood night21:55
DaskreeCHsee MS implementation of ODF for a held at ransom attempt21:55
amikso any regular echo message in an init script goes to messages? everyone sure about that?21:58
ceoalguien que hable español21:59
DaskreeCH!es | ceo22:00
ubottuceo: En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es.22:00
ceook gracias22:00
amikde nada22:00
DaskreeCHamik: write it into your own personal log if you like22:00
amikecho "something" > mylog.txt   ?22:01
DaskreeCHneeds a path :) it has no clue where mylog.txt is supposed to be22:02
amikright :-)22:02
amikok, I'll try.22:02
amikman, I've rebooted more times today than I've rebooted windows in the past half a year22:03
DaskreeCHamik: Why?22:03
amikwell, in the morning I was compiling and setting up nvidia drivers which required some reboots (didn't go smooth, but eventually I got it working and now have desktop effects working after 3 months without them)22:04
amikand now I'm trying to figure out this init-boot thing, for which I need to boot in order to test22:04
DaskreeCH\o/ I should probably try and fix mine22:04
DaskreeCH I miss present windows22:04
DaskreeCHamik: you can just do level jumps22:05
amikwhat does that entail?22:05
DaskreeCHsudo init 1 && sudo init 2 is roughly the same as a reboot and like waaaaay faster22:05
amikyou've taught me much today, wise one22:05
amikthat's the fun part of being a noob - so much learning going on...22:06
DaskreeCHit drops just about everything but the kernel (which you needed for the driver thing (well no not really but I won't confuse you )) and then starts all the services back up22:06
DaskreeCHamik: it will kill your network and gui and everything so you may want to jump to a VT22:07
amikmy goal is to put my old windows pc to sleep - the new/linux and old/windows machines are running side by side for months now, migrating piece by piece and learning along the way...22:07
amiku mean first logout and then do it from tty?22:07
DaskreeCHyeah22:08
DaskreeCHLinux rocks ;)22:08
DaskreeCHbasically once you have a network and a non paniced kernel (and some shell) you can do nigh anything22:09
amikok, c u on the other side22:12
DaskreeCHeveryone hide!22:12
DaskreeCHoh wait he's still here22:12
amikhey I heard that22:12
amikhello?22:13
amikanyone?22:13
kaddinobody is here :D22:13
* DaskreeCH gives the universal Sshhhhhh sign22:14
* amik scratches his head22:14
* amik goes to eat some icecream and chocolate all alone22:16
amikguys?22:27
amikhey guys?22:27
* kaddi goes to look after the chocolate amik must have left alone when he came back22:28
DaskreeCH:-)22:28
DaskreeCHHi amik22:28
* amik doesn't take prisoners22:28
DaskreeCHtoo lazy to build a jail?22:29
ign0ramushi kaddi22:29
kaddiheya ign0ramus :)22:29
ign0ramuskaddi, i finally figured out why some flash was not working for me!22:29
amikchocolate won't make it in jail. it'll melt of fear.22:29
kaddireally? :D Tell me! :)22:29
ign0ramuskaddi, when i first installed Jaunty, i found that ~/.macromedia was keeping a log of all flash sites visited, so i changed permissions on it22:30
ign0ramuskaddi, i completely forgot about that, because most flash video was still working22:30
* kaddi is going to check on .macromedia22:30
kaddi:D22:31
kaddiso macromedia won't work if it can't spy on you? :D22:31
ign0ramuskaddi, apparently, it needs to be writable for some videos, but not others...22:31
kaddiok22:31
ign0ramuskaddi, youtube and other sites always worked fine, but if you remember, some sites, like the Onion and wimp.com wouldn't work22:32
amikbtw that init 1 && init 2 thing didn't quite do the magic22:32
ign0ramuskaddi, now, everything's back to normal, but Flash is still logging all Flash in ~/.macromedia   :/22:32
kaddianybode else has this bug in the sound when all of a sudden sound plays twice as quick before crashing the entire application?22:32
DaskreeCHamik: did it do a card trick at least?22:33
DaskreeCHign0ramus: wipe it when you logout22:33
ign0ramuskaddi, can't say that i have22:33
ign0ramusDaskreeCH, make a logout script?22:33
amikit worked once, but after returning, all ttys were dead and when trying 'login to console' from the X menu, the gui screen died too. which left me with nothing but a hard reset.22:33
DaskreeCHamik: sounds like deeper issues22:34
ign0ramusDaskreeCH, or even better (as i don't logout all that often)... how about a cron job that runs once every 12 hours or something?22:34
DaskreeCHThough I blame upstart22:34
DaskreeCHign0ramus: Bingo22:34
ign0ramusDaskreeCH, thats thinking with portals :)22:34
kaddiign0ramus that reminds me, Flash has something like cookies called SharedObjects, you can't configure this in the player itself, but you can on the adobe-website (allegedly) maybe this is what you were seeing?22:34
ign0ramuskaddi, i thought so maybe too, but i disabled all storage locally from the adobe website, and sites still appear logged in ~/.macromedia22:35
DaskreeCHign0ramus: Cake \o/22:35
ign0ramusDaskreeCH, it's a lie! :D22:36
DaskreeCHNoooooooo22:36
* DaskreeCH hugs his kompanion kube for komfort22:36
ign0ramusDaskreeCH, lol22:36
kaddil22:37
ign0ramuskaddi, do you have listings in ~/.macromedia/Flash_Player/#SharedObjects/  ?22:37
kaddiyes, there are a lot of sites listed22:37
ign0ramuskaddi, yeah, that was the issue, and turning storage to 0kB doesn't seem to work :/22:37
kaddibut most of them are also listed in macromedia.com/support/flashplayer/sys22:38
ign0ramuskaddi, i didn't even check there :P22:38
kaddiign0ramus: I haven't turned shared objects off. I just read about them recently22:38
amikDaskreeCH: however, the added log message from the init script did get written! so the script is indeed being run - just without any trace in the logs, and without a live process.22:38
ign0ramuskaddi, if you know a way to do it, let me know22:38
kaddiign0ramus: I'll look into it :)22:39
ign0ramuskaddi, thanks :)22:39
DaskreeCHamik: write the process number in the log :)22:40
amikDaskreeCH: how?22:44
DaskreeCHecho $$22:45
amikis the pid of the script the same as the process it starts?22:45
amikwhat can I do with the pid?22:46
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DaskreeCHDont know haven't thought that far :)22:47
amiklol22:48
DarkSmokehey guys22:48
shadeslayerDarkSmoke: hi22:48
DarkSmokewhat the hell is with this network manager in kde4  ?22:48
DarkSmokei added my own ip address22:48
DarkSmokei logged out and logged in22:48
DarkSmokeand its still using DHCP22:48
DaskreeCHStatic ip addresses might be an issue22:48
DarkSmokei press the disconnect button and it doesnt work neither O_o22:49
shadeslayeractually they are :P22:49
amikwhat I can do is now add lots of debug messages in the script... now I actually have some work to do!22:49
DarkSmokeand why /etc/init.d/networking doesn't work anymore?22:49
DarkSmoke:O22:49
DarkSmokeas in , i used to disconnect internet and reconnect with sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart22:49
DarkSmokeok22:50
DarkSmokewhat am i gonna do to get static up address?22:50
shadeslayerDarkSmoke: sudo ifconfig eth0 XXX.YYY.ZZZ.120 netmask 255.255.255.12822:50
DarkSmokecan you easily switch to Wicd client in kubuntu ?22:51
DarkSmoke255.255.255.0 actually22:51
DarkSmoke;p22:51
shadeslayerDarkSmoke: try that for static address22:51
DarkSmokeok22:51
DarkSmokecan you switch to Wicd easily on kubuntu?22:51
shadeslayerDarkSmoke: http://forum.kde.org/network-management-and-static-ip-adress-t-60038.html22:51
kaddiign0ramus: I followed the settings on this site: http://libre-et-ouvert.blogspot.com/2009/03/facheux-flash.html (it's in french, but there are screenshots further down) and now I've visited theonien, youtube and wimp without them appearing in sharedobjects22:51
shadeslayerDarkSmoke: also : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/%2Bsource/plasma-widget-network-manager/%2Bbug/35628722:51
ign0ramuskaddi, excellent! plus, i could brush up on my french in the meantime :D22:52
kaddiign0ramus: that site also told about the sites being mirrored in the security-folder and possibly in .adobe/Flash_Player/assetache22:52
kaddi(but I checked that folder only after making the new settings which means, it was empty :p )22:53
ign0ramuskaddi, that's pretty lame.22:53
DarkSmokehello22:53
DarkSmokecan you switch to wicd easily on kubuntu?22:53
ign0ramuskaddi, cool!  i saw there is a Fx add-on that is supposed to wipe Shared Objects, but it doesn't work that well22:53
shadeslayer!wicd22:53
ign0ramusDarkSmoke, yes22:53
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about wicd22:53
DarkSmokehow ign0ramus22:53
shadeslayerign0ramus: yeah..just remove the default network manager and install wicd22:54
ign0ramusDarkSmoke, it will necessarily remove network manager and the widget, but it is great22:54
ign0ramusDarkSmoke, 'sudo apt-get install wicd'22:54
kaddiign0ramus: yeah, I've heard of it.. betterprivacy I believe. Haven't tried it out so far.22:54
DarkSmokeyes thats what i did on sabayon i installed wicd because its way better22:54
DarkSmokehow do i remove network manager22:54
DarkSmoke?22:54
ign0ramuskaddi, i've never liked NM, and wicd connects no problems, and has a better connection22:54
kaddiDarkSmoke For your information: sudo apt-get install wicd will remove networkmanager.22:54
DarkSmokeok22:55
DarkSmokethanks dude22:55
DarkSmokexD22:55
ign0ramus^ what kaddi said :)22:55
ign0ramusDarkSmoke, kaddi is a very attractive 'dude'22:55
DarkSmokelol22:55
DarkSmokegood22:55
ign0ramusDarkSmoke, i thought the same... not too many females around these parts :)22:56
kaddiign0ramus: I recall installing wicd because NM wouldn't work on a regular basis... I kind of panicked when it uninstalled NM because I had no clue if wicd would work. ;D But it did :)22:56
ign0ramuskaddi, does it ever :)22:56
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DarkSmokehm22:56
DarkSmokedoes it add the wicd client automatic at kde startup , or i add it myself?22:56
ign0ramusDarkSmoke, it installs a daemon that runs at startup - you don't have to do anything22:58
ign0ramusDarkSmoke, unless of course you choose to NOT make it load at startup22:58
shadeslayerhurrah for daemons :P22:58
liberviscoHi guys and gals..23:00
cmreigrutWhat's the difference between wicd and networkmanager?23:00
shadeslayerlibervisco: hey23:00
shadeslayer!info wicd | cmreigrut23:00
ubottucmreigrut: wicd (source: wicd): wired and wireless network manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5.9-2 (jaunty), package size 247 kB, installed size 1860 kB23:00
liberviscoI have accidentally discovered a second bug while trying to compile evidence of the first..23:00
liberviscohttp://memenode.com/misc/KDE4.3-artifacts/23:00
DaskreeCHign0ramus: I'm an attractive dude too :(23:00
liberviscothe first bug is those distortions on screen23:00
shadeslayerlibervisco: haha23:00
liberviscowhich the screenshots are off23:00
liberviscothe second bug is those file names.. wtf? I didn't name them like that before uploading.. all KDE4.3 :D23:01
cmreigrutYes, I get that they're both network managers.  I asked what the difference was...i.e. why I'd choose wicd over networkmanager (or vice versa)23:01
ign0ramusDaskreeCH, kaddi's a different kind of dude, although i'm sure you're an adonis as well :)23:01
shadeslayercmreigrut: some hardware is supported by wicd but not by nm and some by nm but not wicd23:01
ign0ramuscmreigrut, also, i have hardware tha NM does 'work' on, but not consistently (drops connection)... i have no problems with wicd.23:02
DaskreeCHign0ramus: Yeah it's just nice to hear once in a while :)23:02
ign0ramuscmreigrut, if NM is working flawlessly for you, really no need to switcch23:02
cmreigrutHmmm, might have to try wicd then.  I've been tearing my hair out over an issue for the past several hours where networkmanager believes that the switch for my internal wireless is off...and no amount of convincing will change its mind23:02
ign0ramusDaskreeCH, i'll make a note of it :P23:02
shadeslayerlibervisco: ps : svn and nightly builds are not supported here ;)23:03
cmreigrutDoes wicd use rfkill?23:03
liberviscoshadeslayer, this is beta2 :)23:04
shadeslayercmreigrut: i have an idea before that23:04
ign0ramuscmreigrut, not yet23:04
liberviscofrom backports23:04
shadeslayerlibervisco: still not supported :)23:04
liberviscohehe23:04
shadeslayercmreigrut: you can use sudo ifconfig wlan0 up to bring the interface up23:04
ign0ramuscmreigrut, current stable wicd is 1.6.0 (last i checked maybe a week ago) and rfkill is not supporte23:04
liberviscowell.. at least.. did anyone experience those?23:04
shadeslayerlibervisco: im on nightly and no i dont have those issues..23:05
liberviscohmm23:05
shadeslayerlibervisco: 4.2.92 (KDE 4.2.92 (KDE 4.3 >= 20090617))23:06
burn_wich program on linux is for 3D modeling?23:06
liberviscoshadeslayer, where do you get that info?23:06
DaskreeCH!blender23:07
ubottublender is a free application for 3D modelling, animation, rendering, etc. You can install it from Ubuntu's repositories, and tutorials are at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro23:07
shadeslayerlibervisco: hehe... help > about KDE in any app23:07
liberviscooh23:07
burn_blender is only one free? what about maya?23:07
Shura!women23:07
ubottuThe women and men of the Ubuntu women project hang out in #ubuntu-women. Encouraging women to use linux? Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ for some suggestions compiled by women who use Linux on how to do so effectively.23:07
liberviscoVersion 4.2.90 (KDE 4.2.90 (KDE 4.3 Beta2))23:07
Shura:/23:07
DaskreeCHburn_: That's "free"23:07
liberviscook so there's hope it'll be fixed by final then, if it's ok there :)23:07
liberviscoshadeslayer, you're using nvidia?23:08
shadeslayerburn_: maya is proprietary :)23:08
DaskreeCHShura: looking for something?23:08
shadeslayerlibervisco: yep23:08
liberviscocool, same here23:08
Shura(No, just kiddin')23:08
burn_so blender is good choice?23:08
shadeslayerhmm23:09
ign0ramusburn_, why not try it out for yourself?  you can always uninstall if you want.  i've never used it, but people say it's pretty awesome23:09
burn_yea bleders is awesome23:10
burn_i am actualy asking for info, my friend will use somenthing for 3D :D23:10
shadeslayeri really wish they would get gfxboot-grub back in the repo :(23:10
ign0ramusshadeslayer, as i'm sure you know, you can do all that stuff by hand23:11
ign0ramusshadeslayer, qgrubeditor does some basic stuff like colors ...23:11
shadeslayerign0ramus: thats only for low resolutions and i have a 1440X900 rez.....23:12
ign0ramusshadeslayer, O_o23:12
shadeslayerign0ramus: well thats wht ive read23:12
ign0ramusshadeslayer, don't know (1024 x 800 here)23:12
shadeslayerign0ramus: and you must have installed splash images right??23:13
ign0ramusshadeslayer, i meant 1280 x 800.  (had to check xrandr)23:13
ign0ramusshadeslayer, i have them installed but disabled.23:13
ign0ramusshadeslayer, they do work fine, though23:14
shadeslayerign0ramus: hehe...23:14
shadeslayerign0ramus: one sec23:14
shadeslayerign0ramus: nothing like this : http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/KDE+4+gfxboot+theme?content=7544323:14
IvoryZionI'm running Kubuntu 9.0.4 and would like to upgrade KDE.  This link ( http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.4) tells me to "do a full upgrade".  Does this mean a full distribution upgrade?  I added the source to /etc/apt/sources.list23:14
IvoryZionapt-get dist-upgrade ?23:15
kaddihmm...that looks as if it might be almost useful for a bugreport :D E: core-util.c: Assertion 'pa_close(fds[0]) == 0' failed at pulsecore/core-util.c:2109, function pa_close_pipe(). Aborting.23:15
shadeslayerIvoryZion: no,just add the line and do dist-upgrade23:15
ign0ramusshadeslayer, that's pretty epic23:15
shadeslayerign0ramus: for someone who loves KDE so much ;)23:16
IvoryZionshadeslayer: is apt-get dist-upgrade the correct command?23:16
ign0ramusshadeslayer, kde 4 has really started to grow on me23:16
shadeslayerIvoryZion: yes,sudo apt-get dist-upgrade23:16
ign0ramusIvoryZion, see here for info about dist-upgrade: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/6923:16
IvoryZiongreat... thank you23:16
shadeslayerign0ramus: i went from KDE 4.2 to gnome and then to KDE 4.2.4 + KDE nightly :)23:17
ign0ramusshadeslayer, i've never liked gnome, but i was really not thrilled with kde 4.0 - 4.1.x23:17
shadeslayernow i have no gnome libs apart from a very few required by FF23:17
shadeslayerign0ramus: me neither23:17
ign0ramusshadeslayer, sweet.  me too. and pidgin :P23:18
shadeslayerkopete for me :)...maybe empathy if i require it later on23:18
DaskreeCHburn_: check blender3d.org23:18
ign0ramusshadeslayer, never heard of empathy... worth checking out.  kde 4 kopete is still crash-y for me :(23:19
DaskreeCHign0ramus: KDE 4.4 :-D23:19
ign0ramusDaskreeCH, is it usable?23:19
shadeslayerDaskreeCH: 4.4 ??23:19
shadeslayerDaskreeCH: svn build?23:19
ign0ramusdoes it even exist yet?23:19
shadeslayerhaha...23:20
DaskreeCHNo but the projects from GSoC will turn up there and they have some fantastic projects23:20
shadeslayer4.5 will rock the world...23:20
ign0ramusshadeslayer, i hope so.  i honestly think qt is the future of DE's23:20
shadeslayer5.0 will be out of this world :P23:20
ikoniamaybe take this to offtopic as it's pure speculation23:21
shadeslayerign0ramus: ubuntu-offtopic?23:21
ign0ramusshadeslayer, actually about to eat dinner (tacos!)23:22
shadeslayerign0ramus: ah..ok then :)23:22
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yogaI am installing Kubuntu the latest CD, and need some hand holding from you guys/girls. What format of the file system to choose, there are ext2,ext3,reiserFS, etc. so many.23:45
HaRDi437ext323:46
HaRDi437best choice for home user :)23:47
yogaHaRDi437: ok, I'll take it. Aman.23:47
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Guest81750hi to all23:52
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cmreigrutthanks for the earlier advice--I managed to get Dan Williams on the #nm channel, and we managed to get it configured (granted, by removing the rfkill config, but still)23:54
cmreigrutSo networkmanager is once again working for me23:54
cmreigrutThanks again!23:54
* yoga Copying files...23:57

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