[00:00] <bodhi_zazen> doctormo: if they need help, and they got "lost" in #ubuntu (too big) you can sent them to ##beginners-help if you wish
[00:01] <dinda> made it
[00:01] <cprofitt> #ubuntu-meeting
[00:02] <dinda> or rather I made it *this far*  :)
[00:02] <cprofitt> lol
[00:02] <cprofitt> doctormo, #ubuntu-meeting
[00:08] <cprofitt> doctormo, pleia2 #ubuntu-meeting
[00:11] <Vantrax> lo all
[00:16] <pleia2> k, am back w/ pizza
[00:16]  * pleia2 shares and pops into -meeting
[00:17] <cprofitt> doctormo, #ubuntu-meeting
[00:42] <doctormo> cprofitt: That's for the notifs, what's the points so far?
[00:42] <doctormo> thanks*
[01:04] <Vantrax> sorry that ive been a little awol lately
[01:04] <cprofitt> I think we need to have another meeting next week... to keep us moving on the structure
[01:04] <pleia2> thanks for chairing again, cprofitt :)
[01:04] <pleia2> agreed
[01:04] <cprofitt> thanks pleia2
[01:04] <Vantrax> i had my hip pop out over the weekend and work has been very hectic
[01:04] <pleia2> er
[01:05] <DougieRichardson> Before I go to bed, I have to mention the meeting times
[01:06] <cprofitt> structure page started -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Structure
[01:06] <Vantrax> go DougieRichardson
[01:06] <dinda> DougieRichardson: yes, might good to rotate at least a few to better for UK/european folks
[01:07] <cprofitt> dinda, DougieRichardson we do need to look at the poll again to see what the best alternate time is
[01:07] <pleia2> Vantrax: how early can you be to a meeting UTC?
[01:08] <DougieRichardson> UTC? 1630 earliest
[01:08] <Vantrax> i can do 8am so thats 2 hours ago
[01:08] <pleia2> ok, so we could bump it to 22:00
[01:08] <pleia2> DougieRichardson: does that help?
[01:09] <Vantrax> i could get about 30-40 min at 21:00
[01:09] <DougieRichardson> Yes that's a bit better - what's that for most of you stateside?
[01:09] <pleia2> that'd be 6PM for us
[01:09] <pleia2> eastern
[01:09] <cprofitt> 16:30 UTC would be 2:30
[01:09] <cprofitt> 22:00 would be 6pm
[01:10] <cprofitt> 6pm is much more possible for me...
[01:10] <cprofitt> but it is not fair that Vantrax always has to do this from work
[01:10] <Vantrax> its ok
[01:10] <cprofitt> a 14:00 UTC would work -- that would take my lunch time
[01:10] <cprofitt> but I would not be fired for doing so
[01:10] <Vantrax> 8am  -  9am no one is in the office
[01:10] <DougieRichardson> see,  I can't from work - mil network/no irc
[01:10] <pleia2> Vantrax: would be sleeping then :)
[01:10] <doctormo> The guy got himself born in Australia :-P
[01:10] <cprofitt> though the summer is a crap shoot for doing things at work
[01:10] <Vantrax> I work at a university
[01:11] <cprofitt> my boss micro manages during the summer to a tremendous degree
[01:11] <doctormo> I think 6pm would be better for me, less likely to fall asleep for a nap and wake up late again
[01:12] <dinda> 6 PM Eastern?
[01:12] <dinda> that pleia2 is quick!
[01:12] <cprofitt> I can deal with 6pm EDT
[01:12] <pleia2> ok
[01:12] <DougieRichardson> that's great, thanks all
[01:12] <cprofitt> I wish universities paid decently around me
[01:12] <cprofitt> I would be able to get a Masters that way...
[01:13]  * DougieRichardson yawns and wavew goodnight
[01:13] <pleia2> a friend of mine works for the NJ university, he mostly stays for the benefits :\
[01:13] <dinda> cprofitt: some do offer tuition reimbursement
[01:13] <pleia2> doesn't really make a competitive salary
[01:13]  * dinda waves to DougieRichardson
[01:13] <cprofitt> dinda, many here offer 100% free courses after two years...
[01:13]  * DougieRichardson waves dinda
[01:13] <cprofitt> but the base pay is terrible in comparison to what I make at a K-12
[01:14] <Vantrax> universities dont pay well here...
[01:14] <dinda> cprofitt: really?  I've seen the opposite here in TX
[01:14] <Vantrax> the benefits are good tho
[01:14] <dinda> universities pay much better than k12
[01:14] <dinda> great benefits
[01:14] <cprofitt> dinda, sent you a private with the information
[01:14] <Vantrax> dinda: they pay better at the upper levels
[01:14] <Vantrax> not at the entry levels
[01:15] <cprofitt> I am the highest I can go and not be Administration
[01:16] <dinda> how long you been there?
[01:17] <cprofitt> 11 years
[01:18]  * dinda points folks to http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/
[01:18] <dinda> some sys admin jobs open currently
[01:18] <cprofitt> nice
[01:19] <cprofitt> I still have some learning to do on the Ubuntu/Linux side
[01:19] <cprofitt> before I would consider myself ready
[01:19] <dinda> wow - 11 years - makes one very comfortable and safe
[01:19] <cprofitt> if it were Windows / AD / SQL...
[01:19] <cprofitt> longest I have ever held a job
[01:20] <Vantrax> i actually put in for a canonical sysadmin job:P
[01:20] <Vantrax> it vanished into the ether...
[01:20] <cprofitt> there is another one Vantrax
[01:20] <pleia2> cprofitt: how many of your agenda items did we get to?
[01:21] <cprofitt> all but one
[01:21] <cprofitt> I am good pleia2
[01:21] <dinda> Vantrax: the hiring process can take months
[01:21] <pleia2> which one?
[01:21] <cprofitt> the one we did not get to really will depend on our structure
[01:21] <cprofitt> how to approve courses
[01:21] <pleia2> k
[01:21] <cprofitt> I think we need a review board... but we need a structure before taking that on
[01:21] <cprofitt> or that is part of our structure
[01:21] <Vantrax> dinda: ahh, im tied up for a few months now on this AD project
[01:22] <Vantrax> cprofitt: that would be part of it
[01:26] <dinda> ok, outside time now
[01:26]  * dinda waves to all - you folks rock!
[01:26] <doctormo> Vantrax: I actually held a job at Canonical, it's a great place to work, broke my heart though to leave, so be warned.
[01:26] <Vantrax> lol yeah
[01:26] <Vantrax> that happens
[01:27] <Vantrax> long as they pay me enough that my wife wont kill me ill be happy
[01:27]  * Vantrax 's wife is a banker
[01:27] <doctormo> Vantrax: Oh god, my wife's already sharpening the bread knif, out of work for 6 months now.
[02:49] <Vantrax> dinda you still around
[02:52] <Vantrax> board mailing list is ubuntu-learning-board@lists.launchpad.net
[15:31] <doctormo> Morning all
[20:53] <cprofitt> pleia2, are you here?
[20:54] <pleia2> for a few more minutes
[20:54] <pleia2> cprofitt: what's up?
[20:55] <cprofitt> I apologize for Montel - he was banned by UBT last night
[20:55] <cprofitt> and has been told on multiple occasions not to bring bots in to channels
[20:55] <pleia2> yeah, I know :\
[20:55] <pleia2> you guys did your best