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| asac | hi | 10:04 |
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| asac | hyperair: hmm. i guess you ask that because we have no enigmail for tbird 3? | 10:04 |
| hyperair | asac: bingo. either way i've just compiled enigmail for tb3 and emailed the xpi to Olav. | 10:06 |
| hyperair | tb3 x86-64 i mean | 10:06 |
| asac | hyperair: yeah. still we need a package for it ... which can be a bit tricky | 10:06 |
| hyperair | yeah i noticed | 10:06 |
| asac | but should be done at some point | 10:06 |
| hyperair | i can't even begin to understand how that crazy looking rules file works. X_X | 10:06 |
| asac | haha | 10:06 |
| asac | yeah | 10:06 |
| asac | the idea is to fix the packaging and start somewhat fr0om scratch using the xulrunner build-system | 10:07 |
| hyperair | xulrunner build system? | 10:07 |
| asac | dpkg -L xulrunner-1.9.1-dev | grep build | 10:23 |
| asac | /usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9.1/sdk/build-system.tar.gz | 10:23 |
| hyperair | hmm | 10:27 |
| * asac reboots after upgrade | 11:19 | |
| asac | hmm. not yet;) | 11:19 |
| andrew_sayers | asac: we talked a while back about a patch that would fix the screensaver with Flash. Is there anything I can do to help get the patch merged into nspluginwrapper? | 11:21 |
| asac | andrew_sayers: did you suggest a merge? | 12:02 |
| asac | (sorry if this fell off the radar again) | 12:02 |
| andrew_sayers | asac: https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-bugs-launchpad-net/nspluginwrapper/flashsaver/+merge/7406 | 12:02 |
| andrew_sayers | Actually, I just realised I haven't run it through valgrind, so it's kind of a happy accident :) | 12:03 |
| andrew_sayers | My C skills are a little rusty. | 12:03 |
| asac | andrew_sayers: i was on holdiday for two days and have to catch up on lots of stuff first. will check your merge tomorrow i hope | 12:11 |
| andrew_sayers | asac: Sounds good to me. Looks like the program's leaking a few bytes here and there, so I'll make another commit later today, and bug you again later in the week. | 12:12 |
| asac | andrew_sayers: yeah. i think you need to re-request merge so i can see latest | 12:14 |
| andrew_sayers | asac: Fair enough, will do. | 12:15 |
| asac | fta: you created another team for songbird dailies? | 12:19 |
| asac | fta: thought we wanted to consolidate having all PPAs in one team (yes, songbird is not directly mozilla, but its related enough imo) | 12:20 |
| asac | fta: ok made -daily PPA a restricted team (so nobody can apply for membership) | 12:47 |
| fta2 | asac, songbird is a dedicated team, different upstream. about the daily vs release PPAs, i bring the topic *after* i created the sb-daily one | 14:06 |
| asac | fta2: ok. | 14:11 |
| asac | still i wouldnt think you need teams for everything that is based on mozilla | 14:12 |
| asac | its similar enough to put in the mozillateam domain | 14:12 |
| * asac lunch time | 14:13 | |
| fta2 | asac, at least, they should have a different a different ppa, if not a team. users would want to play with songbird but not firefox for example | 14:21 |
| fta2 | -a different | 14:21 |
| andrew_sayers | asac: merge re-requested. See you later in the week :) | 14:22 |
| asac | fta2: yes. i wanted to have a "songbird-, thunderbird-, firefox-, etc. PPA dedicated for each app | 14:48 |
| asac | so basically "scoped through app and purpose" | 14:48 |
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| fta2 | asac, can lp provide redirects for everything? including ppa? | 15:15 |
| asac | fta2: did you get the message before the weeke | 15:27 |
| asac | i said i wanted to ask that ;) | 15:28 |
| asac | (most likely needs some manual actions from lp folks, but i hope i could convince them to be not lazy ;)) | 15:28 |
| asac | jk | 15:28 |
| asac | fta: what is the fakeroot package doing in ucd? | 16:58 |
| fta2 | supposedly fixing a crash, but it doesn't | 17:05 |
| asac | ok | 17:06 |
| fta2 | asac, i've packaged a plugin, not sure where to publish it (ppa) | 17:06 |
| asac | fta2: plugin? | 17:06 |
| asac | or extension? | 17:06 |
| asac | (for chrome?) | 17:06 |
| fta2 | plugin | 17:06 |
| fta2 | for ff and chrome | 17:06 |
| asac | which one? | 17:06 |
| fta2 | o3d | 17:07 |
| fta2 | http://code.google.com/apis/o3d/ | 17:07 |
| asac | why not in the real archive? | 17:07 |
| fta2 | another huge monster | 17:07 |
| fta2 | no release, just svn | 17:07 |
| fta2 | -rw-r--r-- 1 fta fta 312876290 2009-06-22 03:33 tarballs/o3d_0.1.38.0~svn20090619r18874.orig.tar.gz | 17:08 |
| asac | not sure. i think should consider such cases when planning PPA reorganization | 17:08 |
| fta2 | it's a 1st shot, i can problably trim a lot from this. | 17:10 |
| fta2 | it's another ia32 app | 17:10 |
| asac | yeah. i would guess that we can strip 2/3 ;) | 17:14 |
| asac | at least i would hope | 17:14 |
| fta2 | grr, nspluginwrapper | 17:25 |
| fta2 | mine still crashes | 17:25 |
| asac | hmm odd | 17:32 |
| asac | fta2: with your ia32-libs? | 17:32 |
| fta2 | yes | 17:42 |
| fta2 | not sure how to get a proper traceback | 17:43 |
| asac | did you try to change anything? or just a recent snapshot?= | 17:43 |
| asac | crashes? for me it doesnt crash, but just fails because something fails | 17:43 |
| fta2 | no | 17:43 |
| fta2 | $ dmesg | grep npv | 17:43 |
| fta2 | [ 600.253478] npviewer.bin[17246]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00000000ffbe273c error 14 in npviewer.bin[8048000+1f000] | 17:43 |
| fta2 | [ 1417.260164] npviewer.bin[19601]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00000000fff796bc error 14 in npviewer.bin[8048000+1f000] | 17:43 |
| fta2 | [ 5316.687682] npviewer.bin[25186]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00000000ff9b17ec error 14 in npviewer.bin[8048000+1f000] | 17:43 |
| asac | hmm | 17:43 |
| asac | fta2: do you see this "cant create connection" thing? | 17:43 |
| fta2 | yes | 17:43 |
| fta2 | i have nothing in /var/crash/, at least for npv | 17:44 |
| asac | fta2: can you reproduce by running the npplayer? | 17:46 |
| asac | (e.g. you can run flash in wrapper also from command line standalone ... which makes it easier to capture backtraces) | 17:46 |
| fta2 | asac, hm, no dbg/dbgsym :( | 17:56 |
| asac | yeah. but build takes a minute or so | 17:56 |
| fta2 | another time | 18:00 |
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| micahg | I see we;ve gone back to shiretoko in the menu branding | 19:29 |
| fta | asac, i want to push o3d somewhere now. I think ill got for ~od3/daily | 19:29 |
| fta | micahg, yes | 19:29 |
| micahg | so now will teh daily stay at rc2? | 19:29 |
| fta | better than minefield anyway | 19:29 |
| fta | i stopped the dailies for 3.5/1.9.1 | 19:30 |
| micahg | ok | 19:30 |
| fta | until 3.5.0 is out | 19:30 |
| micahg | is the 3.6 branch trunk? | 19:32 |
| fta | yes | 19:34 |
| asac | fta: another team? | 19:34 |
| asac | stop the team inflation ;) | 19:35 |
| fta | ~google then? | 19:36 |
| fta | it's even that, it's google+the community | 19:36 |
| asac | fta: yes. maybe. but ubuntu-google (please prefix stuff with ubuntu-) | 19:37 |
| asac | ubuntu-googleapps | 19:38 |
| asac | or something | 19:38 |
| BUGabundo | Bom S. João para tds, e cuidado com as espinhas :)) | 19:39 |
| asac | or ubuntu-googlecode | 19:39 |
| asac | BUGabundo: that means? | 19:39 |
| BUGabundo | eheh it's a Popular Holiday | 19:40 |
| BUGabundo | its Saint Peters or something like that | 19:40 |
| BUGabundo | then I added a joke | 19:40 |
| BUGabundo | ppl usualy eat fish (sardines) and those have scales | 19:40 |
| fta | asac, i don't like ubuntu-*, we are the only ones using that | 19:47 |
| fta | and it's too long | 19:47 |
| BUGabundo | lol | 19:47 |
| BUGabundo | what are you guys discussion? | 19:47 |
| asac | fta: sure? ~ubuntu-desktop ~ubuntu-core-dev ~ubuntu-dev | 19:48 |
| asac | ~ubuntu-server ~ubuntu-mobile | 19:48 |
| fta | those are pure ubuntu | 19:48 |
| asac | fta: and we also do gentoo? ;) | 19:48 |
| asac | i mean.... unless you are an upstream team (or a joint team with upstream) we prefixing it with the target project helps preventing name clashes in future | 19:49 |
| micahg | a sensible precaution | 19:49 |
| fta | i just don't want to put that in my own ppa | 19:50 |
| fta | asac, the description is there for a reason | 19:50 |
| fta | jcastro, ^^ what do you think of all this? | 19:50 |
| asac | fta: name clashes are not resolved by description | 19:50 |
| asac | i just think its fair use to not claim the upstream name for the ubuntu team name in launchpad | 19:51 |
| jcastro | fta: which apps are you talking about? | 19:53 |
| fta | o3d | 19:53 |
| asac | jcastro: talking about team names | 19:53 |
| asac | not apps | 19:53 |
| jcastro | oh | 19:53 |
| fta | but it's more a generic question | 19:53 |
| asac | jcastro: and not prefixing them with ubuntu- | 19:53 |
| jcastro | I've always said ubuntu-webtech or something | 19:53 |
| jcastro | oh, heh | 19:53 |
| fta | we now have: | 19:54 |
| fta | - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa | 19:54 |
| fta | - https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa | 19:54 |
| fta | - https://launchpad.net/~songbird-daily/+archive/ppa | 19:54 |
| fta | - https://launchpad.net/~gwibber-daily/+archive/ppa | 19:54 |
| asac | pewrsonallyi think somthing like ~ubuntu-webtech/+archive/gwibber-daily etc. would be better and more scalable | 19:55 |
| fta | asac said songbird should be in ubuntu-mozilla-daily | 19:55 |
| asac | preventing team name clashes | 19:55 |
| asac | fta: i didnt say that | 19:55 |
| asac | i said that we shouldnt create new teams for everything ;) | 19:55 |
| asac | and said that we could put it in the "~mozillateam" domain ... but if we create ~ubuntu-webtech or something that would probably be a better match | 19:56 |
| fta | <asac> fta: you created another team for songbird dailies? | 19:56 |
| fta | <asac> fta: thought we wanted to consolidate having all PPAs in one team (yes, songbird is not directly mozilla, but its related enough imo) | 19:56 |
| asac | fta: right. but didnt say ubuntu-mozilla-daily | 19:56 |
| BUGabundo | those look ok to me | 19:56 |
| asac | ~ubuntu-webtech/+archive/songbird-daily .... etc. | 19:56 |
| asac | ~ubuntu-web | 19:57 |
| asac | ~ubuntu-netapps | 19:57 |
| fta | so no more project pages? | 19:57 |
| asac | fta: project pages are independent from teams | 19:58 |
| asac | arent they? | 19:58 |
| asac | i think its a separate issue (but yes, that also needs to be discussed) | 19:58 |
| asac | but i think projects are ok to not prefix if we are open to hand them over to the upstream project if they want to | 19:58 |
| asac | while we cannot really hand over teams where we run PPAs on imo | 19:58 |
| BUGabundo | err aren't ppas FREE ? | 19:59 |
| asac | because packaging and distro stuff usually isnt what upstreams are good at ;) | 19:59 |
| BUGabundo | why make them a tree? | 19:59 |
| asac | BUGabundo: not sure what you mean | 19:59 |
| fta | BUGabundo: until recently, there was only 1 ppa per user/team, now we can add as many as we want | 20:00 |
| BUGabundo | asac: why guys seem to be discussion the cosolidation of PPAs | 20:01 |
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| BUGabundo | but isn't it easier for users to just track ONE ppa per subject | 20:01 |
| BUGabundo | ? | 20:01 |
| fta | but we still want to control who pushes stuff to PPA, impossible if we hand the team over to upstream | 20:01 |
| asac | BUGabundo: its about preventing team inflation (aka creating a new team for each and every thing you want to run) | 20:01 |
| asac | fta: right. thats why we should prefix it with ~ubuntu- ... so no need to hand it over | 20:01 |
| asac | that was the point i tried to make above | 20:02 |
| asac | (i talked about projects) | 20:02 |
| asac | 20:58 < asac> but i think projects are ok to not prefix if we are open to hand them over to the upstream project if they want to | 20:02 |
| asac | 20:58 < asac> while we cannot really hand over teams where we run PPAs on imo | 20:02 |
| BUGabundo | ahh | 20:03 |
| fta | initially, i just wanted to change ~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa into ~ubuntu-mozilla/+archive/daily and add ~ubuntu-mozilla/+archive/releases | 20:03 |
| fta | but not reorganize the teams | 20:03 |
| micahg | fta: so stuff like the dailies and rcs are different? | 20:03 |
| micahg | or would you put actual release versions in there? | 20:04 |
| fta | i mean, for me, songbird is different from mozilla, chromium is different from o3d even if they are both from google, etc.. | 20:04 |
| asac | micahg: in the end we want PPAs for dailies, milestones, releases | 20:04 |
| fta | micahg, mostly tags, kind of automatic backports | 20:05 |
| micahg | sounds good to me | 20:05 |
| asac | fta: right thats why i like to move everything to a team called ~ubuntu-webapps | 20:05 |
| asac | like the idea | 20:05 |
| fta | i don't, too many stuff will end in there with the same rights, meaning new contributors to project x will gain privileges on everything else | 20:06 |
| BUGabundo | shouldn't | 20:16 |
| BUGabundo | LP allows permition per user per package/branch | 20:16 |
| BUGabundo | so you can allow micahg to upload to daily but not rc | 20:16 |
| asac | BUGabundo: no thats not possible atm afaik | 20:17 |
| asac | but maybe we get that feature now that the archive reorganisation starts | 20:17 |
| asac | err component reorganization | 20:17 |
| asac | i guess i have to look up cjwatsons mail again | 20:18 |
| asac | but first dinner ;) | 20:18 |
| * BUGabundo hands asac two sardines | 20:18 | |
| BUGabundo | lookout they are hot | 20:19 |
| fta | i still don't know where to push o3d | 20:19 |
| micahg | hmm, a micahg buildbot... | 20:20 |
| BUGabundo | lolololol | 20:21 |
| BUGabundo | fta: not sure what o3d is, but if it is google, lets go with asac idea: ubuntu-webapps/3rdparty/google/o3d | 20:22 |
| fta | too many levels | 20:22 |
| fta | impossible | 20:22 |
| BUGabundo | not sure "3rd party" is need | 20:22 |
| BUGabundo | ok remove it then | 20:22 |
| fta | team/project/flavor | 20:23 |
| fta | x/o3d/daily | 20:23 |
| micahg | and flavor is ppa name? | 20:23 |
| fta | yes | 20:23 |
| fta | instead of x/o3d-daily/ppa | 20:24 |
| asac | fta: err. thats the hierarchy for branches. | 20:24 |
| asac | ppas dont have projects | 20:24 |
| asac | so its x/+archive/project-flavour | 20:24 |
| asac | ok now off for dinner | 20:24 |
| fta | whatever | 20:27 |
| fta | it will end up once again in my ppa :( | 20:27 |
| fta | or i just hold the push until hell freezes over | 20:28 |
| BUGabundo | aahahahah | 20:29 |
| * BUGabundo listen to fta mumuring: or push it to a new ppa | 20:29 | |
| fta | flash stole my keyboard again | 20:31 |
| BUGabundo | LOLOL | 20:32 |
| BUGabundo | open this link : www.fta.com | 20:32 |
| fta | yeah, i know | 20:33 |
| BUGabundo | just trying to help | 20:33 |
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| asac | http://blog.mozilla.com/cjones/2009/06/21/multi-process-firefox-coming-to-an-internets-near-you/ | 21:15 |
| micahg | cool | 21:17 |
| * fta is waiting for the hell to cool down | 21:27 | |
| asac | hehe | 21:27 |
| asac | fta: ~ubuntu-webapps-archive | 21:28 |
| asac | ;) | 21:28 |
| asac | with restricted policy ;) | 21:28 |
| micahg | asac: is there a sudo firefox reference that it's a no no | 21:30 |
| asac | i dont think we have it. just say them that they shouldnt do that | 21:31 |
| micahg | did that already :) | 21:31 |
| asac | and ask them for their use-case if they complain | 21:31 |
| BUGabundo | asac: when is that ? | 21:32 |
| asac | BUGabundo: when is what? | 21:33 |
| BUGabundo | the FF multiprocess ? | 21:33 |
| asac | probably not for 3.5 ;) | 21:36 |
| asac | hopefully for whatever comes after that | 21:37 |
| BUGabundo | 3.6? | 21:37 |
| asac | the next version is unknown | 21:37 |
| asac | maybe 3.6 or maybe 4.0?;) | 21:37 |
| fta | or maybe never, like moz2 | 21:42 |
| fta | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28252284/o3d-plugin_0.1.38.0%7Esvn20090619r18874-0ubuntu1_i386.deb if someone want to try | 21:43 |
| fta | no amd64 | 21:43 |
| BUGabundo | then not me | 21:43 |
| BUGabundo | lo | 21:43 |
| BUGabundo | lol | 21:43 |
| BUGabundo | fta: what was moz2? | 21:43 |
| fta | the graal | 21:44 |
| asac | moz2 is still planned | 21:44 |
| fta | holy grail | 21:44 |
| asac | its just that it gets more difficult now that moz tries to do quick release cycles (9-12 month) | 21:44 |
| * micahg likes faster release cycles | 21:46 | |
| asac | i agree. what i dont like are the faster security cycles | 21:46 |
| asac | previously 3 ... now 1 month | 21:46 |
| fta | https://wiki.mozilla.org/Content_Processes | 21:48 |
| BUGabundo | ahaha | 21:52 |
| BUGabundo | more ff work asac | 21:52 |
| micahg | asac: isn't that better for security :) | 21:54 |
| asac | not so sure. | 21:55 |
| asac | problem is that when users become annoyed, they wont do security updates | 21:55 |
| micahg | yeah | 21:55 |
| micahg | but Microsoft does monthly patching | 21:55 |
| micahg | so converts would be used to it | 21:56 |
| fta | BUGabundo, that was 140, no more | 21:56 |
| micahg | and regular linux users are used to updates I woudl think | 21:56 |
| BUGabundo | ahah | 21:56 |
| fta | lol, star trek 3. "enter auto destruct code part 1", "1..A..", "now part 2", "1A..2..B", "now part 3", "1A2B..3..C", "confirmed, now enter the final code to start the countdown", "...0...0......0........0". *****boom*** | 22:05 |
| micahg | no, It's zero, zero, zero, destruct, zero | 22:05 |
| BUGabundo | LOLOL | 22:06 |
| fta | micahg, good memory? | 22:06 |
| micahg | :D | 22:06 |
| asac | what is star trek 3 title? | 22:07 |
| micahg | The Search for Spock | 22:07 |
| fta | micahg, or you're a hard core fan? | 22:07 |
| micahg | :D | 22:07 |
| micahg | Here's the sequence with a song | 22:10 |
| micahg | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeW_TwyDGIU&feature=related | 22:10 |
| BUGabundo | LOOLOL | 22:12 |
| * BUGabundo watcs | 22:12 | |
| BUGabundo | micahg: YouTube is down for maintenance and will be back shortly. | 22:14 |
| BUGabundo | duh | 22:14 |
| * micahg doesn't run youtube | 22:14 | |
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