=== kbrosnan_ is now known as kbrosnan === micahg1 is now known as micahg [10:04] hi [10:04] hyperair: hmm. i guess you ask that because we have no enigmail for tbird 3? [10:06] asac: bingo. either way i've just compiled enigmail for tb3 and emailed the xpi to Olav. [10:06] tb3 x86-64 i mean [10:06] hyperair: yeah. still we need a package for it ... which can be a bit tricky [10:06] yeah i noticed [10:06] but should be done at some point [10:06] i can't even begin to understand how that crazy looking rules file works. X_X [10:06] haha [10:06] yeah [10:07] the idea is to fix the packaging and start somewhat fr0om scratch using the xulrunner build-system [10:07] xulrunner build system? [10:23] dpkg -L xulrunner-1.9.1-dev | grep build [10:23] /usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9.1/sdk/build-system.tar.gz [10:27] hmm [11:19] * asac reboots after upgrade [11:19] hmm. not yet;) [11:21] asac: we talked a while back about a patch that would fix the screensaver with Flash. Is there anything I can do to help get the patch merged into nspluginwrapper? [12:02] andrew_sayers: did you suggest a merge? [12:02] (sorry if this fell off the radar again) [12:02] asac: https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-bugs-launchpad-net/nspluginwrapper/flashsaver/+merge/7406 [12:03] Actually, I just realised I haven't run it through valgrind, so it's kind of a happy accident :) [12:03] My C skills are a little rusty. [12:11] andrew_sayers: i was on holdiday for two days and have to catch up on lots of stuff first. will check your merge tomorrow i hope [12:12] asac: Sounds good to me. Looks like the program's leaking a few bytes here and there, so I'll make another commit later today, and bug you again later in the week. [12:14] andrew_sayers: yeah. i think you need to re-request merge so i can see latest [12:15] asac: Fair enough, will do. [12:19] fta: you created another team for songbird dailies? [12:20] fta: thought we wanted to consolidate having all PPAs in one team (yes, songbird is not directly mozilla, but its related enough imo) [12:47] fta: ok made -daily PPA a restricted team (so nobody can apply for membership) [14:06] asac, songbird is a dedicated team, different upstream. about the daily vs release PPAs, i bring the topic *after* i created the sb-daily one [14:11] fta2: ok. [14:12] still i wouldnt think you need teams for everything that is based on mozilla [14:12] its similar enough to put in the mozillateam domain [14:13] * asac lunch time [14:21] asac, at least, they should have a different a different ppa, if not a team. users would want to play with songbird but not firefox for example [14:21] -a different [14:22] asac: merge re-requested. See you later in the week :) [14:48] fta2: yes. i wanted to have a "songbird-, thunderbird-, firefox-, etc. PPA dedicated for each app [14:48] so basically "scoped through app and purpose" === ejat is now known as e-jat [15:15] asac, can lp provide redirects for everything? including ppa? [15:27] fta2: did you get the message before the weeke [15:28] i said i wanted to ask that ;) [15:28] (most likely needs some manual actions from lp folks, but i hope i could convince them to be not lazy ;)) [15:28] jk [16:58] fta: what is the fakeroot package doing in ucd? [17:05] supposedly fixing a crash, but it doesn't [17:06] ok [17:06] asac, i've packaged a plugin, not sure where to publish it (ppa) [17:06] fta2: plugin? [17:06] or extension? [17:06] (for chrome?) [17:06] plugin [17:06] for ff and chrome [17:06] which one? [17:07] o3d [17:07] http://code.google.com/apis/o3d/ [17:07] why not in the real archive? [17:07] another huge monster [17:07] no release, just svn [17:08] -rw-r--r-- 1 fta fta 312876290 2009-06-22 03:33 tarballs/o3d_0.1.38.0~svn20090619r18874.orig.tar.gz [17:08] not sure. i think should consider such cases when planning PPA reorganization [17:10] it's a 1st shot, i can problably trim a lot from this. [17:10] it's another ia32 app [17:14] yeah. i would guess that we can strip 2/3 ;) [17:14] at least i would hope [17:25] grr, nspluginwrapper [17:25] mine still crashes [17:32] hmm odd [17:32] fta2: with your ia32-libs? [17:42] yes [17:43] not sure how to get a proper traceback [17:43] did you try to change anything? or just a recent snapshot?= [17:43] crashes? for me it doesnt crash, but just fails because something fails [17:43] no [17:43] $ dmesg | grep npv [17:43] [ 600.253478] npviewer.bin[17246]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00000000ffbe273c error 14 in npviewer.bin[8048000+1f000] [17:43] [ 1417.260164] npviewer.bin[19601]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00000000fff796bc error 14 in npviewer.bin[8048000+1f000] [17:43] [ 5316.687682] npviewer.bin[25186]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00000000ff9b17ec error 14 in npviewer.bin[8048000+1f000] [17:43] hmm [17:43] fta2: do you see this "cant create connection" thing? [17:43] yes [17:44] i have nothing in /var/crash/, at least for npv [17:46] fta2: can you reproduce by running the npplayer? [17:46] (e.g. you can run flash in wrapper also from command line standalone ... which makes it easier to capture backtraces) [17:56] asac, hm, no dbg/dbgsym :( [17:56] yeah. but build takes a minute or so [18:00] another time === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 [19:29] I see we;ve gone back to shiretoko in the menu branding [19:29] asac, i want to push o3d somewhere now. I think ill got for ~od3/daily [19:29] micahg, yes [19:29] so now will teh daily stay at rc2? [19:29] better than minefield anyway [19:30] i stopped the dailies for 3.5/1.9.1 [19:30] ok [19:30] until 3.5.0 is out [19:32] is the 3.6 branch trunk? [19:34] yes [19:34] fta: another team? [19:35] stop the team inflation ;) [19:36] ~google then? [19:36] it's even that, it's google+the community [19:37] fta: yes. maybe. but ubuntu-google (please prefix stuff with ubuntu-) [19:38] ubuntu-googleapps [19:38] or something [19:39] Bom S. João para tds, e cuidado com as espinhas :)) [19:39] or ubuntu-googlecode [19:39] BUGabundo: that means? [19:40] eheh it's a Popular Holiday [19:40] its Saint Peters or something like that [19:40] then I added a joke [19:40] ppl usualy eat fish (sardines) and those have scales [19:47] asac, i don't like ubuntu-*, we are the only ones using that [19:47] and it's too long [19:47] lol [19:47] what are you guys discussion? [19:48] fta: sure? ~ubuntu-desktop ~ubuntu-core-dev ~ubuntu-dev [19:48] ~ubuntu-server ~ubuntu-mobile [19:48] those are pure ubuntu [19:48] fta: and we also do gentoo? ;) [19:49] i mean.... unless you are an upstream team (or a joint team with upstream) we prefixing it with the target project helps preventing name clashes in future [19:49] a sensible precaution [19:50] i just don't want to put that in my own ppa [19:50] asac, the description is there for a reason [19:50] jcastro, ^^ what do you think of all this? [19:50] fta: name clashes are not resolved by description [19:51] i just think its fair use to not claim the upstream name for the ubuntu team name in launchpad [19:53] fta: which apps are you talking about? [19:53] o3d [19:53] jcastro: talking about team names [19:53] not apps [19:53] oh [19:53] but it's more a generic question [19:53] jcastro: and not prefixing them with ubuntu- [19:53] I've always said ubuntu-webtech or something [19:53] oh, heh [19:54] we now have: [19:54] - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa [19:54] - https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa [19:54] - https://launchpad.net/~songbird-daily/+archive/ppa [19:54] - https://launchpad.net/~gwibber-daily/+archive/ppa [19:55] pewrsonallyi think somthing like ~ubuntu-webtech/+archive/gwibber-daily etc. would be better and more scalable [19:55] asac said songbird should be in ubuntu-mozilla-daily [19:55] preventing team name clashes [19:55] fta: i didnt say that [19:55] i said that we shouldnt create new teams for everything ;) [19:56] and said that we could put it in the "~mozillateam" domain ... but if we create ~ubuntu-webtech or something that would probably be a better match [19:56] fta: you created another team for songbird dailies? [19:56] fta: thought we wanted to consolidate having all PPAs in one team (yes, songbird is not directly mozilla, but its related enough imo) [19:56] fta: right. but didnt say ubuntu-mozilla-daily [19:56] those look ok to me [19:56] ~ubuntu-webtech/+archive/songbird-daily .... etc. [19:57] ~ubuntu-web [19:57] ~ubuntu-netapps [19:57] so no more project pages? [19:58] fta: project pages are independent from teams [19:58] arent they? [19:58] i think its a separate issue (but yes, that also needs to be discussed) [19:58] but i think projects are ok to not prefix if we are open to hand them over to the upstream project if they want to [19:58] while we cannot really hand over teams where we run PPAs on imo [19:59] err aren't ppas FREE ? [19:59] because packaging and distro stuff usually isnt what upstreams are good at ;) [19:59] why make them a tree? [19:59] BUGabundo: not sure what you mean [20:00] BUGabundo: until recently, there was only 1 ppa per user/team, now we can add as many as we want [20:01] asac: why guys seem to be discussion the cosolidation of PPAs === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [20:01] but isn't it easier for users to just track ONE ppa per subject [20:01] ? [20:01] but we still want to control who pushes stuff to PPA, impossible if we hand the team over to upstream [20:01] BUGabundo: its about preventing team inflation (aka creating a new team for each and every thing you want to run) [20:01] fta: right. thats why we should prefix it with ~ubuntu- ... so no need to hand it over [20:02] that was the point i tried to make above [20:02] (i talked about projects) [20:02] 20:58 < asac> but i think projects are ok to not prefix if we are open to hand them over to the upstream project if they want to [20:02] 20:58 < asac> while we cannot really hand over teams where we run PPAs on imo [20:03] ahh [20:03] initially, i just wanted to change ~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa into ~ubuntu-mozilla/+archive/daily and add ~ubuntu-mozilla/+archive/releases [20:03] but not reorganize the teams [20:03] fta: so stuff like the dailies and rcs are different? [20:04] or would you put actual release versions in there? [20:04] i mean, for me, songbird is different from mozilla, chromium is different from o3d even if they are both from google, etc.. [20:04] micahg: in the end we want PPAs for dailies, milestones, releases [20:05] micahg, mostly tags, kind of automatic backports [20:05] sounds good to me [20:05] fta: right thats why i like to move everything to a team called ~ubuntu-webapps [20:05] like the idea [20:06] i don't, too many stuff will end in there with the same rights, meaning new contributors to project x will gain privileges on everything else [20:16] shouldn't [20:16] LP allows permition per user per package/branch [20:16] so you can allow micahg to upload to daily but not rc [20:17] BUGabundo: no thats not possible atm afaik [20:17] but maybe we get that feature now that the archive reorganisation starts [20:17] err component reorganization [20:18] i guess i have to look up cjwatsons mail again [20:18] but first dinner ;) [20:18] * BUGabundo hands asac two sardines [20:19] lookout they are hot [20:19] i still don't know where to push o3d [20:20] hmm, a micahg buildbot... [20:21] lolololol [20:22] fta: not sure what o3d is, but if it is google, lets go with asac idea: ubuntu-webapps/3rdparty/google/o3d [20:22] too many levels [20:22] impossible [20:22] not sure "3rd party" is need [20:22] ok remove it then [20:23] team/project/flavor [20:23] x/o3d/daily [20:23] and flavor is ppa name? [20:23] yes [20:24] instead of x/o3d-daily/ppa [20:24] fta: err. thats the hierarchy for branches. [20:24] ppas dont have projects [20:24] so its x/+archive/project-flavour [20:24] ok now off for dinner [20:27] whatever [20:27] it will end up once again in my ppa :( [20:28] or i just hold the push until hell freezes over [20:29] aahahahah [20:29] * BUGabundo listen to fta mumuring: or push it to a new ppa [20:31] flash stole my keyboard again [20:32] LOLOL [20:32] open this link : www.fta.com [20:33] yeah, i know [20:33] just trying to help === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [21:15] http://blog.mozilla.com/cjones/2009/06/21/multi-process-firefox-coming-to-an-internets-near-you/ [21:17] cool [21:27] * fta is waiting for the hell to cool down [21:27] hehe [21:28] fta: ~ubuntu-webapps-archive [21:28] ;) [21:28] with restricted policy ;) [21:30] asac: is there a sudo firefox reference that it's a no no [21:31] i dont think we have it. just say them that they shouldnt do that [21:31] did that already :) [21:31] and ask them for their use-case if they complain [21:32] asac: when is that ? [21:33] BUGabundo: when is what? [21:33] the FF multiprocess ? [21:36] probably not for 3.5 ;) [21:37] hopefully for whatever comes after that [21:37] 3.6? [21:37] the next version is unknown [21:37] maybe 3.6 or maybe 4.0?;) [21:42] or maybe never, like moz2 [21:43] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28252284/o3d-plugin_0.1.38.0%7Esvn20090619r18874-0ubuntu1_i386.deb if someone want to try [21:43] no amd64 [21:43] then not me [21:43] lo [21:43] lol [21:43] fta: what was moz2? [21:44] the graal [21:44] moz2 is still planned [21:44] holy grail [21:44] its just that it gets more difficult now that moz tries to do quick release cycles (9-12 month) [21:46] * micahg likes faster release cycles [21:46] i agree. what i dont like are the faster security cycles [21:46] previously 3 ... now 1 month [21:48] https://wiki.mozilla.org/Content_Processes [21:52] ahaha [21:52] more ff work asac [21:54] asac: isn't that better for security :) [21:55] not so sure. [21:55] problem is that when users become annoyed, they wont do security updates [21:55] yeah [21:55] but Microsoft does monthly patching [21:56] so converts would be used to it [21:56] BUGabundo, that was 140, no more [21:56] and regular linux users are used to updates I woudl think [21:56] ahah [22:05] lol, star trek 3. "enter auto destruct code part 1", "1..A..", "now part 2", "1A..2..B", "now part 3", "1A2B..3..C", "confirmed, now enter the final code to start the countdown", "...0...0......0........0". *****boom*** [22:05] no, It's zero, zero, zero, destruct, zero [22:06] LOLOL [22:06] micahg, good memory? [22:06] :D [22:07] what is star trek 3 title? [22:07] The Search for Spock [22:07] micahg, or you're a hard core fan? [22:07] :D [22:10] Here's the sequence with a song [22:10] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeW_TwyDGIU&feature=related [22:12] LOOLOL [22:12] * BUGabundo watcs [22:14] micahg: YouTube is down for maintenance and will be back shortly. [22:14] duh [22:14] * micahg doesn't run youtube === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3