| sadmac2 | Keybuk_: what's supposed to be in 0.6? | 14:18 |
|---|---|---|
| Keybuk_ | 0.5.3, plus a few fixes to the util/ stuff, plus some migration tools Debian want | 14:27 |
| sadmac2 | Keybuk_: hmm. almost doesn't seem worth a minor bump | 14:30 |
| sadmac2 | Keybuk_: side note, I've done the style cleanup on the state transfer patch. It still needs test cases though. | 14:31 |
| Keybuk_ | it's more of a statement of intent | 14:34 |
| Keybuk_ | 0.5 was tagged as a development series, while 0.3 was stable | 14:34 |
| Keybuk_ | calling it 0.6 means it can be labelled stable | 14:34 |
| sadmac2 | woohoo! | 14:35 |
| sadmac2 | Keybuk_: are we still on target for a 1.0/0.10 at LPC? | 14:36 |
| Keybuk_ | sadmac2: yes | 14:50 |
| sadmac2 | cool | 14:51 |
| sadmac2 | notting: petr should probably be in here | 16:06 |
| Keybuk_ | petr? | 16:09 |
| plautrba | Keybuk_: yes | 16:09 |
| Keybuk_ | ah hi :-) | 16:10 |
| sadmac2 | Keybuk_: since I'm not a dev engineer anymore, petr will be the RHEL 6 Upstart maintainer | 16:10 |
| Keybuk_ | it was more of a "who is Petr?" kind of question, but you pretty much answered that :-) | 16:10 |
| Keybuk_ | plautrba: pleased to meet you! | 16:10 |
| plautrba | Keybuk_: hi, nice to meet to too | 16:10 |
| plautrba | *you | 16:10 |
| Keybuk_ | RHEL 6 and Fedora? | 16:11 |
| plautrba | for now it's for rhel6 but i would like to involve in fedora too | 16:12 |
| sadmac2 | plautrba: where are you out of? I don't think we even met. | 16:14 |
| Keybuk_ | sadmac2: you'll be still doing the Fedora packages? | 16:15 |
| Keybuk_ | when is RHEL 6 scheduled for? what kind of timeframe? | 16:15 |
| sadmac2 | Keybuk_: yes | 16:15 |
| notting | Keybuk_: *cough* | 16:15 |
| Keybuk_ | notting: you can't say? :p | 16:15 |
| Keybuk_ | or you have no idea? | 16:15 |
| plautrba | sadmac2: i am from brno | 16:15 |
| sadmac2 | plautrba: ah. cool | 16:16 |
| notting | Keybuk_: the former | 16:16 |
| plautrba | sadmac2: i'm sure we haven't met yet | 16:16 |
| Keybuk_ | I'd strongly prefer you were able to run 0.6 in RHEL 6 | 16:16 |
| Keybuk_ | since that'll be the stable version that Ubuntu and Debian will also be using | 16:16 |
| sadmac2 | notting: ^^yeah, we need to look into this | 16:16 |
| Keybuk_ | and the version I'm trying to bribe SuSE into using | 16:16 |
| Keybuk_ | (instead of using 0.3 or 0.5) | 16:17 |
| notting | Keybuk_: unlikely as it stands now, given the format changes | 16:17 |
| Keybuk_ | notting: 0.6 is basically compatible | 16:17 |
| Keybuk_ | it's me declaring the 0.5 version "better" than the 0.3 version, and fixing up the last few bits that aren't the same | 16:17 |
| sadmac2 | Keybuk_: you say it'll be compatible with 0.10. Does that mean 0.10 is keeping start/stop on? | 16:17 |
| notting | ? 0.5 wasn't compatible with 0.3. | 16:17 |
| Keybuk_ | notting: it's mostly compatible, a few bits that aren't will be fixed for 0.6 | 16:18 |
| Keybuk_ | sadmac2: 0.10 will read the 0.6 jobs, and apply some logic to making them work | 16:18 |
| Keybuk_ | sadmac2: I may simply still support "stop on" to allow easier transition | 16:18 |
| sadmac2 | Keybuk_: how will it know which one is which? folders? new job_version stanza? | 16:18 |
| Keybuk_ | sadmac2: 0.10 jobs use "while/on", 0.6 jobs use "start on" | 16:19 |
| sadmac2 | Keybuk_: either can use exec foo with no other info in the file | 16:19 |
| notting | Keybuk_: including file locations, or is that a lost cause? | 16:19 |
| Keybuk_ | sadmac2: and both will behave the same way in that case | 16:21 |
| sadmac2 | notting: shouldn't be hard to make it support the old location as well as the new | 16:21 |
| sadmac2 | Keybuk_: true. | 16:21 |
| * sadmac2 goes to feed himself | 16:22 | |
| Keybuk_ | notting: I'd like to get everyone on broadly the same page | 16:22 |
| ion_ | keybuk: Karmic will get 0.6 instead of 0.10? | 16:22 |
| notting | Keybuk_: what's your schedule? | 16:22 |
| Keybuk_ | ion_: Karmic will get 0.6, 0.10 is due for plumbers so that's "too late" for Karmic | 16:23 |
| Keybuk_ | and will go into Karmic+1 | 16:23 |
| Keybuk_ | Debian will have 0.6 in unstable when it's released | 16:23 |
| Keybuk_ | and will move to 0.10 in September for squeeze (the next release) | 16:23 |
| ion_ | Ok. Will Karmic get a startup based on 0.6 (if that’s even possible) or still sysvrc? | 16:23 |
| Keybuk_ | notting: 0.6.0 this week, 0.10.0 for plumbers | 16:23 |
| Keybuk_ | ion_: yes, partly | 16:23 |
| notting | Keybuk_: if we don't actually use it for anything native beyond rcS... what does 0.6 buy me? :) | 16:24 |
| Keybuk_ | notting: support | 16:24 |
| Keybuk_ | cf. your recent crasher bug with 0.3.x | 16:24 |
| Keybuk_ | which already didn't effect 0.5 | 16:24 |
| ion_ | How are you planning to support 0.6 jobs in 0.10? How about /{etc,lib}/init/$formatversion/ and have separate parsers for both trees (and yet another separate piece of code to yield 0.10-compatible jobs based on the 0.6 parser’s result) in order to not contaminate the 0.10 code with 0.6 stuff? Too idealistic? :-) | 16:29 |
| ion_ | One could then easily rid the codebase of 0.6 stuff in n years when nobody uses 0.6 anymore. | 16:30 |
| Keybuk_ | separate parser code is probably the easiest way | 16:43 |
| sadmac2 | Keybuk_: if you still have a directory change in mind, it might actually simplify things. Folder x for 0.6 jobs, folder y for 0.10 | 17:41 |
| ion_ | /lib/init/0.6/jobs, /lib/init/0.10/jobs, /lib/init/42.0/jobs, or call the 0.6 format “0”, the 0.10 format “1” and the 42.0 format “2” and use /lib/init/{0,1,2}/jobs | 17:46 |
| sadmac2 | ion_: I don't think we're doing them in /lib | 17:46 |
| sadmac2 | Keybuk_: why do you have better candy in the UK?! | 17:49 |
| * sadmac2 eats an aero bar | 17:49 | |
| Keybuk_ | a not unreasonable idea might be just to have 0.6 jobs in /etc/event.d <g> | 17:51 |
| Keybuk_ | err | 17:51 |
| Keybuk_ | yeah I do mean that | 17:51 |
| Keybuk_ | sadmac2: you're in the UK? | 17:51 |
| Keybuk_ | ion_: you appear to have misspelled /etc | 17:51 |
| ion_ | keybuk: I thought the distro-supplied jobs were supposed to go to /lib and the user jobs or overrides to /etc at some point. | 17:54 |
| sadmac2 | Keybuk_: no. Friend found them at an import store. | 18:00 |
| sadmac2 | Keybuk_: but I now have one more reason to come. | 18:00 |
| Keybuk_ | ion_: no | 18:01 |
| sadmac2 | ion_: it never felt right to me. If anything I'd say distro jobs would go in /share, if there were such a thing. | 18:01 |
| Keybuk_ | jobs go in /etc | 18:01 |
| Keybuk_ | they're configuration files | 18:01 |
| ion_ | Alright | 18:01 |
| soren | ion_: Perhaps you're thinking of udev rules? | 21:06 |
| ion_ | No | 21:07 |
| sadmac2 | soren: no, there was discussion of upstart keeping its config in /lib (the reasoning being that job definitions are "like udev rules"), but it was canned | 21:07 |
| soren | ion_, sadmac2: Oh, I see. | 21:08 |
| * soren crawls back under his rock | 21:08 | |
| === ion_ is now known as ion | ||
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