| psyke83 | hi | 14:45 |
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| kwwii | hi | 14:47 |
| psyke83 | kwwii: hey, I haven't heard back from you re: the theme update, any news? | 14:47 |
| kwwii | psyke83: yeah, I have been testing it and was going to put it in this week...got side-tracked by some UNR work | 14:48 |
| kwwii | I like the simple progress bars bettr :) | 14:48 |
| psyke83 | kwwii: sure, no prob | 14:48 |
| psyke83 | did you notice that the metacity was updated, though? I previously used a hack in Human-Murrine and Human-Clearlooks to keep the original metacity colour, but it caused incompatibilities. The "Humanity" code has those hacks removed, and the metacity was adjusted | 14:49 |
| psyke83 | this means that the Human Clearlooks needs a very slight tweak (otherwise the metacity will look too light), shall I send it to you? | 14:50 |
| kwwii | psyke83: to be honest, I only am using the gtkrc you gave me | 14:50 |
| kwwii | yes, please do | 14:50 |
| psyke83 | kwwii: the version from the forum is newer, and has some other slight fixes. I'll send all the updates in an email in a little while | 14:51 |
| psyke83 | I'll also revert the scrollbar to normal | 14:51 |
| kwwii | psyke83: killer, thanks | 14:51 |
| kwwii | what do you mean by normal? | 14:51 |
| psyke83 | ah wait, sorry | 14:52 |
| psyke83 | I misread what you wrote a minute ago, I thought you said that you preferred the simple scrollbars better | 14:52 |
| kwwii | hehe...no, I meant the progress bars without the stripes | 14:52 |
| psyke83 | yeah, that's fine ;) | 14:53 |
| psyke83 | anyway I'll send everything to you in a little while ;) | 14:53 |
| kwwii | cool | 14:53 |
| kwwii | I have a new package with some other changes underway | 14:53 |
| psyke83 | there's a small problem with the scrollbars, did you notice? When the trough border is >0, Firefox has a little problem when displaying text boxes | 14:55 |
| psyke83 | it's a bug only in firefox and it's minor, but it's a bug nevertheless | 14:55 |
| kwwii | I hadn't noticed that | 14:56 |
| psyke83 | there's an upstream bug report, I'll mention it when I send the updates | 14:57 |
| kwwii | just trying to reproduce it...not sure what to look for, really :p | 14:58 |
| psyke83 | I was gonna send a screenshot, but I'm not running Ubuntu right now. Here's an example (not from my theme): https://bug471789.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=355040 | 14:59 |
| psyke83 | see the grey box underneath the frames? | 14:59 |
| kwwii | right | 14:59 |
| kwwii | really freaky | 14:59 |
| psyke83 | it's a problem with xulrunner and it's not fixed in firefox 3.5rc2 yet, unfortunately | 15:00 |
| psyke83 | maybe if I bring it to the attention to the ubuntu-mozilla folks, they can take a look | 15:00 |
| kwwii | definitely not a bad idea to mention | 15:01 |
| kwwii | psyke83: really wierd, that only happens on certain sites/code...I cannot find a page :p | 15:11 |
| kwwii | anyway, a trough >0 looks bad | 15:12 |
| psyke83 | brb | 15:13 |
| psyke83 | kwwii: shall we just set the trough-border back to 0, then? | 15:20 |
| psyke83 | apart from the firefox bug, I quite liked the trough | 15:20 |
| kwwii | psyke83: yes, I think so | 15:24 |
| kwwii | if we set it, it needs at least 2 I think | 15:24 |
| kwwii | so either 2 or 0 if you ask me | 15:24 |
| kwwii | we can at elast try it out this way and see what people think | 15:24 |
| psyke83 | kwwii: ah I forgot that you're using an older revision. I had set it to 2 | 15:25 |
| psyke83 | let's decide after I send the update - if you still don't like, we can easily set the trough to 0 | 15:26 |
| kwwii | psyke83: no, I had set it from 0 to 2 on my own to test that bug | 15:26 |
| psyke83 | ok | 15:26 |
| psyke83 | if this bug didn't exist in firefox, would you prefer to keep the trough at 2, then? | 15:27 |
| coz_ | hey guys.. I keep getting email my memebership is about to expire...who takes care of that here? | 15:59 |
| SiDi | membership to ? | 16:09 |
| SiDi | the launchpad group ? | 16:09 |
| coz_ | SiDi, I suppose I havet kept up with things.. as part of the art team | 16:15 |
| SiDi | coz_: it sends expiration emails on a regular basis to clear inactive members | 16:17 |
| coz_ | SiDi, well I am not exactly inactive ,, i have been a memeber for years but the email wants me to contact one of you guys and I did send a message to someone but if necessary I will join again | 16:19 |
| SiDi | can you show me the message ? sounds suspicious :| | 16:19 |
| coz_ | sure hold on | 16:19 |
| coz_ | SiDi, http://pastebin.com/mfb308c9 | 16:21 |
| SiDi | hm, well, i guess you shall wait for them :p | 16:30 |
| SiDi | i think they sent such mails to clean the group a little | 16:31 |
| psyke83 | kwwii: sent the updates to your email | 16:31 |
| kwwii | psyke83: cool, I will keep an eye out | 16:32 |
| coz_ | SiDi, well I dont need cleaned up :) but i will try contacting again | 16:34 |
| SiDi | kwwii: did you send expiration mails to inactive LP group members ? | 16:36 |
| kwwii | SiDi: no, it is automatic | 16:58 |
| kwwii | and it is there to clean out the cruft | 16:58 |
| kwwii | otherwise how would I know how long something went unused and whether a person still wants to be on the list? | 16:58 |
| thorwil | you don't have a database in your head? | 16:59 |
| kwwii | not yet | 16:59 |
| knome | %) | 16:59 |
| knome | kewl, he's planning on one | 17:00 |
| knome | how does the api work? | 17:00 |
| kwwii | ask oracle | 17:00 |
| knome | heh | 17:00 |
| michote | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=face-monkey.png | 17:52 |
| michote | feedback? | 17:52 |
| knome | it's... a monkey | 17:52 |
| knome | i personally find the two smallest sizes a bit too blurry | 17:53 |
| knome | and maybe there is a bit too much detail on the mouth/eyes area comparing to the orange head, which is detailless. | 17:53 |
| knome | and the eyes itself look a bit scary on the biggest size. i don't know if that's a goal, though. | 17:54 |
| knome | but the shape and the overall idea/how it's crafted looks good. | 17:54 |
| thorwil | michote: it looks like a monkey/smiley crash. either part is well done, but the combination is a bit unsettling | 17:56 |
| knome | actually it looks a bit like a lion. :) | 17:56 |
| thorwil | michote: i think you should try to stay with the smiley base color. try to make the ears part of the smiley shape | 17:57 |
| thorwil | and make sure the face is part of the smiley surface | 17:57 |
| thorwil | gotta run, bbl | 17:57 |
| michote | ;) I think its very hard to get an monkey which fits an buttonstyle | 17:57 |
| michote | thorwil: you want a yellow monkey? It'll look more like a lion | 17:59 |
| michote | knome: would smaler eyes look better? | 18:04 |
| knome | i don't know id it's the size but the reflection more. | 18:05 |
| knome | you need something else than a vertical gradient | 18:05 |
| knome | don't know how that would look in the small sizes again | 18:05 |
| michote | I wanted to fit the eye-style of the other smileys, but maybe it's really crashing | 18:07 |
| SiDi | this monkey makes me think about carrots | 18:09 |
| knome | SiDi, lol | 18:09 |
| knome | michote, the monkey is otherwise way more realistic than the smileys | 18:10 |
| knome | michote, that's why the eyes don't fit in that good. | 18:10 |
| michote | SiDi: http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc213/mattnyc82/Baby_ginger_monkey.jpg | 18:13 |
| kwwii | that looks like my son | 18:14 |
| michote | than I would try to simplify the monkey-face | 18:15 |
| michote | :D | 18:15 |
| macvr | kwwii: too cruel! hehe | 18:15 |
| michote | http://www.mbl.edu/news/press_releases/images/cute.monkey.jpg | 18:15 |
| SiDi | aw this photo | 18:15 |
| SiDi | the baby monkey looks like an hazelnut | 18:16 |
| knome | ... | 18:16 |
| knome | i read that it made you feel like a hazelnut ... | 18:17 |
| michote | carrots and hazelnut? | 18:17 |
| knome | michote, SiDi is a bit crazy, don't mind him | 18:19 |
| macvr | michote: try using brown... orange makes it look like the monkey has carotenemia ;p | 18:19 |
| michote | :D | 18:20 |
| michote | Any Ideas how to integrate the face into the smiley surface? | 18:21 |
| knome | same color, only brightness changes? | 18:24 |
| knome | have to go | 18:25 |
| knome | see you | 18:25 |
| SiDi | give him more little cheeks and bigger ears, and add him some hair on the top of the head ? D: | 18:25 |
| michote | SiDi: Good Idea, but this would be even more detail :P | 18:28 |
| SiDi | michote: at least on the big sizes :D | 18:45 |
| knome | in general i think it's a bad idea to have lots of detail in big sizes and then a relly simplified small icon | 19:57 |
| psyke83 | kwwii: I sent an update re: the trough border bug to your email. He wants us to upload the theme as-is, and that'll put more pressure on the Mozilla folks to fix the bug in Firefox | 20:36 |
| psyke83 | *He=asac | 20:36 |
| kwwii | yeah, that sounds like asac :p | 20:36 |
| psyke83 | ;) | 20:36 |
| kwwii | I didn't expect him to do too much | 20:37 |
| psyke83 | he said that he'll escalate the bug | 20:37 |
| kwwii | cool | 20:37 |
| psyke83 | Cimi confirmed in the report today that it's not a murrine bug (which is obvious, as all the other engines have the same problem) | 20:37 |
| kwwii | yeah, firefox is freaky | 20:37 |
| kwwii | I figured that out yesterday again | 20:37 |
| psyke83 | ;) | 20:38 |
| kwwii | trying to fix a wierd bug with how it simply ignores the icon lookup spec | 20:38 |
| psyke83 | you started working on KDE then migrated to working on GNOME, right? Why don't you lobby for GNOME 3, Firefox etc. to be re-coded to use the QT framework?? | 20:38 |
| psyke83 | ;) | 20:38 |
| kwwii | lol, all true but I doubt that will happen any time soon | 20:39 |
| psyke83 | We can rename it QNOME, I guess, I dunno | 20:39 |
| kwwii | although I did have a talk with mark about it once | 20:39 |
| kwwii | porting gnome to qt | 20:39 |
| SiDi | qt, meh | 20:39 |
| kwwii | I still do a bit of work on kde though | 20:40 |
| kwwii | psyke83: just read your last email...will do | 20:48 |
| psyke83 | kwwii: cool, thanks | 20:49 |
| kwwii | the thanks, as always, go to you...you've stuck with this stuff, I am amazed | 20:50 |
| kwwii | ;) | 20:50 |
| kwwii | and thankful | 20:51 |
| kwwii | you rock ;) | 20:51 |
| psyke83 | you too ;) | 20:51 |
| kwwii | now that we have a whole design team, I have a lot more time for specific projects, I am hoping to start my own new theme sometime soon | 20:52 |
| psyke83 | I'll be looking forward to seeing the results | 20:53 |
| kwwii | well, it is kinda wierd but I would like to see if it is possible | 20:54 |
| kwwii | essentially it is a dark theme based on carbon fiber but I want the tecture to fade in and out around the buttons, etc | 20:55 |
| kwwii | for karmic we will have at least some windows with a client-side window decoration (so no metacity) | 20:55 |
| kwwii | that should be interesting | 20:55 |
| psyke83 | and this will be workable with GTK in its current form? | 20:55 |
| kwwii | yepp | 20:55 |
| kwwii | there is a ppa with the current stuff somewhere | 20:56 |
| kwwii | cody russell is working on it | 20:56 |
| kwwii | ie the desktop experience team | 20:56 |
| kwwii | but I doubt it will be something for all apps | 20:56 |
| kwwii | even though at this time we are selling it as such | 20:56 |
| kwwii | the problems come when the app dies | 20:56 |
| kwwii | the current infrastructure doesn't allow gtk to know/do anything about those events | 20:57 |
| kwwii | compiz did it previously | 20:57 |
| kwwii | or the pop-up | 20:57 |
| kwwii | but if the gtk app itself is dead the theme won't know it | 20:57 |
| kwwii | but anyway | 20:57 |
| psyke83 | I see, sounds interesting anyway | 20:58 |
| kwwii | yepp | 20:58 |
| SiDi | kwwii: what are those windows with client-side window decoration ? | 20:58 |
| kwwii | SiDi: just that | 20:59 |
| SiDi | kwwii: to my ears it sounds like a big failure :| | 20:59 |
| kwwii | no metacity to be seen | 20:59 |
| kwwii | the whole window is gtk | 20:59 |
| kwwii | so you can click to move the window anywhere outside of a button, etc | 20:59 |
| kwwii | no need to draw the window decoration differnt from the window anymore | 21:00 |
| psyke83 | kwwii, similar to how alt-clicking works right now? | 21:00 |
| * SiDi doesn't get it | 21:00 | |
| psyke83 | I use alt+left-mouse to move windows frequently on my laptop (as it's more of a pain to grab the titlebar with a touchpad) | 21:00 |
| kwwii | psyke83: exactly | 21:02 |
| macvr | _MMA_: hi... could you reply to the mail > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2009-June/010812.html | 22:41 |
| macvr | the/this/ | 22:42 |
| _MMA_ | macvr: I haven't formed an opinion on it really. I'm not likely to soon either. (next week or so) And technically, I think that if you don't put in a icon for all sizes it will render blank icons. Still have to look. | 22:44 |
| _MMA_ | macvr: I have *ALOT* going on. In addition to the fact that things aren't totally solid with the set as-is, I'm not inclined to add more 'till what we have is sorted. | 22:45 |
| macvr | _MMA_: i understand... :) but just an FYI before you make a decision...you can see the rendering problem in daniel's edit... but this doesnt arise with the scalable icons... I pretty sure the blank icons dont occur, I'v checked while using the icons , and as you have also seen in the screenshot dashua,James had posted the icons display well | 22:48 |
| macvr | anyway... take care... | 22:48 |
| _MMA_ | Be positive. Let me know for sure. | 22:48 |
| macvr | _MMA_: i am sure...100% positive | 22:51 |
| darkmatter | _MMA_: you don't need all sizes for icons. and it can work to your advantage as well | 22:51 |
| macvr | _MMA_: even the hi-color has only 1 size , 22px... but still works :) | 22:52 |
| darkmatter | I've hacked up the themes to fix unsightly scaling in the panels (at an app level too). I have a panel locked into 16pix and 24 pix icons only (for tray apps and applets as well) tis sweet | 22:53 |
| _MMA_ | darkmatter: Part of my concern was rendering blank icons. Wanting all of the sizes I also see as a bit of future-proofing. And I'll just punch someone if I get a bug report from someone using the panel at like 48px and there's some issue. | 22:53 |
| _MMA_ | macvr: I'll consider the chat here and try to give a definitive answer by this weeks end. | 22:55 |
| macvr | _MMA_: :) ... i'm sure you wont have bugs... thanx | 22:56 |
| darkmatter | you wont get blanks. however, if you have something weird like a missing 22px and have a 32px them you will get an oversize (like in a toolbar or whatnot). but in general rendering is non-issue. it looks theme - icon - closest size. so you don't get blanks. if no icon is available in theme, it'll go to inheritance then falback | 22:56 |
| _MMA_ | Sayz the Ubuntu n00b. ;) | 22:56 |
| macvr | _MMA_: ;p | 22:56 |
| _MMA_ | darkmatter: No no. Blanks in the rendering of the set. I have a script that cuts all the sizes from the 1 file. | 22:57 |
| darkmatter | _MMA_: ahh.. should still be none-issue though | 22:58 |
| macvr | _MMA_: just no need to render , when you have a single set, makes your job easier ;) | 22:58 |
| darkmatter | one canvas is pretty foolproof | 22:58 |
| * macvr having a headache with papercuts! | 22:59 | |
| _MMA_ | macvr: No... My issues are often elsewhere. Incorrect layer or file naming. Cruft from not vacuuming defs. Lots of wiki edits. | 23:00 |
| macvr | _MMA_: I usually vacuum defs , 3 times before I submit :) | 23:01 |
| macvr | while open & close the svg | 23:01 |
| _MMA_ | Layer anf file names are also important. Those 3 things are the most important technical things for artists to keep in mind. | 23:02 |
| _MMA_ | s/anf/and | 23:02 |
| _MMA_ | Oh. Uno mas. (1 more) Making sure the icons are /on/ the correct layer. | 23:03 |
| macvr | _MMA_: since This has to be done on a single size , i Used only one layer... and naming is not a problem, since i tested all the nm-signal icons :) | 23:05 |
| macvr | i didnt use the template | 23:05 |
| darkmatter | lol. that would be a seriously d'oh blunder. I mean. I'd really question the intelligence of anyone that used the wrong layer :P | 23:05 |
| _MMA_ | Didn't? What did you use? | 23:05 |
| macvr | 128px document size... | 23:06 |
| _MMA_ | darkmatter: It's happened. And others have edited the plates. Where the object names are also important. Hence, use the template and don't mess with the technicals. | 23:07 |
| _MMA_ | But we all make mistakes. | 23:07 |
| macvr | ^ like my number 1 card? | 23:07 |
| * _MMA_ can't remember. | 23:07 | |
| macvr | for when i said use 1 , in kwwii's cards | 23:08 |
| * _MMA_ is burnt from constant 12hr days and needs food/rest. bbl. | 23:08 | |
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