[14:45] hi [14:47] hi [14:47] kwwii: hey, I haven't heard back from you re: the theme update, any news? [14:48] psyke83: yeah, I have been testing it and was going to put it in this week...got side-tracked by some UNR work [14:48] I like the simple progress bars bettr :) [14:48] kwwii: sure, no prob [14:49] did you notice that the metacity was updated, though? I previously used a hack in Human-Murrine and Human-Clearlooks to keep the original metacity colour, but it caused incompatibilities. The "Humanity" code has those hacks removed, and the metacity was adjusted [14:50] this means that the Human Clearlooks needs a very slight tweak (otherwise the metacity will look too light), shall I send it to you? [14:50] psyke83: to be honest, I only am using the gtkrc you gave me [14:50] yes, please do [14:51] kwwii: the version from the forum is newer, and has some other slight fixes. I'll send all the updates in an email in a little while [14:51] I'll also revert the scrollbar to normal [14:51] psyke83: killer, thanks [14:51] what do you mean by normal? [14:52] ah wait, sorry [14:52] I misread what you wrote a minute ago, I thought you said that you preferred the simple scrollbars better [14:52] hehe...no, I meant the progress bars without the stripes [14:53] yeah, that's fine ;) [14:53] anyway I'll send everything to you in a little while ;) [14:53] cool [14:53] I have a new package with some other changes underway [14:55] there's a small problem with the scrollbars, did you notice? When the trough border is >0, Firefox has a little problem when displaying text boxes [14:55] it's a bug only in firefox and it's minor, but it's a bug nevertheless [14:56] I hadn't noticed that [14:57] there's an upstream bug report, I'll mention it when I send the updates [14:58] just trying to reproduce it...not sure what to look for, really :p [14:59] I was gonna send a screenshot, but I'm not running Ubuntu right now. Here's an example (not from my theme): https://bug471789.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=355040 [14:59] see the grey box underneath the frames? [14:59] right [14:59] really freaky [15:00] it's a problem with xulrunner and it's not fixed in firefox 3.5rc2 yet, unfortunately [15:00] maybe if I bring it to the attention to the ubuntu-mozilla folks, they can take a look [15:01] definitely not a bad idea to mention [15:11] psyke83: really wierd, that only happens on certain sites/code...I cannot find a page :p [15:12] anyway, a trough >0 looks bad [15:13] brb [15:20] kwwii: shall we just set the trough-border back to 0, then? [15:20] apart from the firefox bug, I quite liked the trough [15:24] psyke83: yes, I think so [15:24] if we set it, it needs at least 2 I think [15:24] so either 2 or 0 if you ask me [15:24] we can at elast try it out this way and see what people think [15:25] kwwii: ah I forgot that you're using an older revision. I had set it to 2 [15:26] let's decide after I send the update - if you still don't like, we can easily set the trough to 0 [15:26] psyke83: no, I had set it from 0 to 2 on my own to test that bug [15:26] ok [15:27] if this bug didn't exist in firefox, would you prefer to keep the trough at 2, then? [15:59] hey guys.. I keep getting email my memebership is about to expire...who takes care of that here? [16:09] membership to ? [16:09] the launchpad group ? [16:15] SiDi, I suppose I havet kept up with things.. as part of the art team [16:17] coz_: it sends expiration emails on a regular basis to clear inactive members [16:19] SiDi, well I am not exactly inactive ,, i have been a memeber for years but the email wants me to contact one of you guys and I did send a message to someone but if necessary I will join again [16:19] can you show me the message ? sounds suspicious :| [16:19] sure hold on [16:21] SiDi, http://pastebin.com/mfb308c9 [16:30] hm, well, i guess you shall wait for them :p [16:31] i think they sent such mails to clean the group a little [16:31] kwwii: sent the updates to your email [16:32] psyke83: cool, I will keep an eye out [16:34] SiDi, well I dont need cleaned up :) but i will try contacting again [16:36] kwwii: did you send expiration mails to inactive LP group members ? [16:58] SiDi: no, it is automatic [16:58] and it is there to clean out the cruft [16:58] otherwise how would I know how long something went unused and whether a person still wants to be on the list? [16:59] you don't have a database in your head? [16:59] not yet [16:59] %) [17:00] kewl, he's planning on one [17:00] how does the api work? [17:00] ask oracle [17:00] heh [17:52] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=face-monkey.png [17:52] feedback? [17:52] it's... a monkey [17:53] i personally find the two smallest sizes a bit too blurry [17:53] and maybe there is a bit too much detail on the mouth/eyes area comparing to the orange head, which is detailless. [17:54] and the eyes itself look a bit scary on the biggest size. i don't know if that's a goal, though. [17:54] but the shape and the overall idea/how it's crafted looks good. [17:56] michote: it looks like a monkey/smiley crash. either part is well done, but the combination is a bit unsettling [17:56] actually it looks a bit like a lion. :) [17:57] michote: i think you should try to stay with the smiley base color. try to make the ears part of the smiley shape [17:57] and make sure the face is part of the smiley surface [17:57] gotta run, bbl [17:57] ;) I think its very hard to get an monkey which fits an buttonstyle [17:59] thorwil: you want a yellow monkey? It'll look more like a lion [18:04] knome: would smaler eyes look better? [18:05] i don't know id it's the size but the reflection more. [18:05] you need something else than a vertical gradient [18:05] don't know how that would look in the small sizes again [18:07] I wanted to fit the eye-style of the other smileys, but maybe it's really crashing [18:09] this monkey makes me think about carrots [18:09] SiDi, lol [18:10] michote, the monkey is otherwise way more realistic than the smileys [18:10] michote, that's why the eyes don't fit in that good. [18:13] SiDi: http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc213/mattnyc82/Baby_ginger_monkey.jpg [18:14] that looks like my son [18:15] than I would try to simplify the monkey-face [18:15] :D [18:15] kwwii: too cruel! hehe [18:15] http://www.mbl.edu/news/press_releases/images/cute.monkey.jpg [18:15] aw this photo [18:16] the baby monkey looks like an hazelnut [18:16] ... [18:17] i read that it made you feel like a hazelnut ... [18:17] carrots and hazelnut? [18:19] michote, SiDi is a bit crazy, don't mind him [18:19] michote: try using brown... orange makes it look like the monkey has carotenemia ;p [18:20] :D [18:21] Any Ideas how to integrate the face into the smiley surface? [18:24] same color, only brightness changes? [18:25] have to go [18:25] see you [18:25] give him more little cheeks and bigger ears, and add him some hair on the top of the head ? D: [18:28] SiDi: Good Idea, but this would be even more detail :P [18:45] michote: at least on the big sizes :D [19:57] in general i think it's a bad idea to have lots of detail in big sizes and then a relly simplified small icon [20:36] kwwii: I sent an update re: the trough border bug to your email. He wants us to upload the theme as-is, and that'll put more pressure on the Mozilla folks to fix the bug in Firefox [20:36] *He=asac [20:36] yeah, that sounds like asac :p [20:36] ;) [20:37] I didn't expect him to do too much [20:37] he said that he'll escalate the bug [20:37] cool [20:37] Cimi confirmed in the report today that it's not a murrine bug (which is obvious, as all the other engines have the same problem) [20:37] yeah, firefox is freaky [20:37] I figured that out yesterday again [20:38] ;) [20:38] trying to fix a wierd bug with how it simply ignores the icon lookup spec [20:38] you started working on KDE then migrated to working on GNOME, right? Why don't you lobby for GNOME 3, Firefox etc. to be re-coded to use the QT framework?? [20:38] ;) [20:39] lol, all true but I doubt that will happen any time soon [20:39] We can rename it QNOME, I guess, I dunno [20:39] although I did have a talk with mark about it once [20:39] porting gnome to qt [20:39] qt, meh [20:40] I still do a bit of work on kde though [20:48] psyke83: just read your last email...will do [20:49] kwwii: cool, thanks [20:50] the thanks, as always, go to you...you've stuck with this stuff, I am amazed [20:50] ;) [20:51] and thankful [20:51] you rock ;) [20:51] you too ;) [20:52] now that we have a whole design team, I have a lot more time for specific projects, I am hoping to start my own new theme sometime soon [20:53] I'll be looking forward to seeing the results [20:54] well, it is kinda wierd but I would like to see if it is possible [20:55] essentially it is a dark theme based on carbon fiber but I want the tecture to fade in and out around the buttons, etc [20:55] for karmic we will have at least some windows with a client-side window decoration (so no metacity) [20:55] that should be interesting [20:55] and this will be workable with GTK in its current form? [20:55] yepp [20:56] there is a ppa with the current stuff somewhere [20:56] cody russell is working on it [20:56] ie the desktop experience team [20:56] but I doubt it will be something for all apps [20:56] even though at this time we are selling it as such [20:56] the problems come when the app dies [20:57] the current infrastructure doesn't allow gtk to know/do anything about those events [20:57] compiz did it previously [20:57] or the pop-up [20:57] but if the gtk app itself is dead the theme won't know it [20:57] but anyway [20:58] I see, sounds interesting anyway [20:58] yepp [20:58] kwwii: what are those windows with client-side window decoration ? [20:59] SiDi: just that [20:59] kwwii: to my ears it sounds like a big failure :| [20:59] no metacity to be seen [20:59] the whole window is gtk [20:59] so you can click to move the window anywhere outside of a button, etc [21:00] no need to draw the window decoration differnt from the window anymore [21:00] kwwii, similar to how alt-clicking works right now? [21:00] * SiDi doesn't get it [21:00] I use alt+left-mouse to move windows frequently on my laptop (as it's more of a pain to grab the titlebar with a touchpad) [21:02] psyke83: exactly [22:41] _MMA_: hi... could you reply to the mail > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2009-June/010812.html [22:42] the/this/ [22:44] <_MMA_> macvr: I haven't formed an opinion on it really. I'm not likely to soon either. (next week or so) And technically, I think that if you don't put in a icon for all sizes it will render blank icons. Still have to look. [22:45] <_MMA_> macvr: I have *ALOT* going on. In addition to the fact that things aren't totally solid with the set as-is, I'm not inclined to add more 'till what we have is sorted. [22:48] _MMA_: i understand... :) but just an FYI before you make a decision...you can see the rendering problem in daniel's edit... but this doesnt arise with the scalable icons... I pretty sure the blank icons dont occur, I'v checked while using the icons , and as you have also seen in the screenshot dashua,James had posted the icons display well [22:48] anyway... take care... [22:48] <_MMA_> Be positive. Let me know for sure. [22:51] _MMA_: i am sure...100% positive [22:51] _MMA_: you don't need all sizes for icons. and it can work to your advantage as well [22:52] _MMA_: even the hi-color has only 1 size , 22px... but still works :) [22:53] I've hacked up the themes to fix unsightly scaling in the panels (at an app level too). I have a panel locked into 16pix and 24 pix icons only (for tray apps and applets as well) tis sweet [22:53] <_MMA_> darkmatter: Part of my concern was rendering blank icons. Wanting all of the sizes I also see as a bit of future-proofing. And I'll just punch someone if I get a bug report from someone using the panel at like 48px and there's some issue. [22:55] <_MMA_> macvr: I'll consider the chat here and try to give a definitive answer by this weeks end. [22:56] _MMA_: :) ... i'm sure you wont have bugs... thanx [22:56] you wont get blanks. however, if you have something weird like a missing 22px and have a 32px them you will get an oversize (like in a toolbar or whatnot). but in general rendering is non-issue. it looks theme - icon - closest size. so you don't get blanks. if no icon is available in theme, it'll go to inheritance then falback [22:56] <_MMA_> Sayz the Ubuntu n00b. ;) [22:56] _MMA_: ;p [22:57] <_MMA_> darkmatter: No no. Blanks in the rendering of the set. I have a script that cuts all the sizes from the 1 file. [22:58] _MMA_: ahh.. should still be none-issue though [22:58] _MMA_: just no need to render , when you have a single set, makes your job easier ;) [22:58] one canvas is pretty foolproof [22:59] * macvr having a headache with papercuts! [23:00] <_MMA_> macvr: No... My issues are often elsewhere. Incorrect layer or file naming. Cruft from not vacuuming defs. Lots of wiki edits. [23:01] _MMA_: I usually vacuum defs , 3 times before I submit :) [23:01] while open & close the svg [23:02] <_MMA_> Layer anf file names are also important. Those 3 things are the most important technical things for artists to keep in mind. [23:02] <_MMA_> s/anf/and [23:03] <_MMA_> Oh. Uno mas. (1 more) Making sure the icons are /on/ the correct layer. [23:05] _MMA_: since This has to be done on a single size , i Used only one layer... and naming is not a problem, since i tested all the nm-signal icons :) [23:05] i didnt use the template [23:05] lol. that would be a seriously d'oh blunder. I mean. I'd really question the intelligence of anyone that used the wrong layer :P [23:05] <_MMA_> Didn't? What did you use? [23:06] 128px document size... [23:07] <_MMA_> darkmatter: It's happened. And others have edited the plates. Where the object names are also important. Hence, use the template and don't mess with the technicals. [23:07] <_MMA_> But we all make mistakes. [23:07] ^ like my number 1 card? [23:07] * _MMA_ can't remember. [23:08] for when i said use 1 , in kwwii's cards [23:08] * _MMA_ is burnt from constant 12hr days and needs food/rest. bbl.