[00:03] <cabrey> Hi, I'm switching from ubuntu-desktop to xubuntu-desktop, will pulseaudio be preserved or should I use this ( http://www.samlesher.com/ubuntu/install-pulseaudio-on-xubuntu-810-xfce ) guide?
[00:10] <SiDi> cabrey: my only advice is to get rid of pulseaudio
[00:10] <SiDi> xfce's mixer is not compatible, some other apps are not either
[00:10] <cabrey> well it works for me and works well :/ i mainly using it as an mpd server, but when i want a gui xfce will be there :)
[00:11] <SiDi> well, xfce4-mixer and the xfce mixer panel plugin wont work proerly with it :)
[00:11] <SiDi> the rest should be ok though
[00:11] <cabrey> yea i'm not worried about that, i'll just leave them at max and use the app's mixer
[01:56] <nicklas_> http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/2110/skrmbildq.png
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[04:13] <sml1226> how do you add sound themes?
[04:17] <forces> sml1226, just paste into .sounds directory in your home directory
[04:17] <sml1226> hmm didn't work I tried that
[04:17] <forces> try in /usr/share/sounds
[04:17] <forces> as root
[04:20] <sml1226> in folder with theme name or where?
[04:23] <sml1226> so it would be /usr/share/sounds/theme
[06:22] <ubuntu> guys, i bought this computer today http://www.compusa.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=4553294&sku=S445-150034&SRCCODE=COMEM295MH&cm_mmc=EML-_-Main-_-COMEM295-_-special and i asked the salesguy if it was 32 bit or 64, and he said it was 32.  but it has a sticker on it 'amd athlon 64', so i don't know.  i'm using a 9.04 regular live cd in it right now (while i figure out...
[06:22] <ubuntu> ...how to get a windows refund for the (ACK) vista home basic that came with it), but anyways, my question is ... which version of buntu should i use with it?
[06:24] <forces> ubuntu, 32 bits could be
[06:25] <ubuntu> why does it say 64 on the sticker ... you sure?
[06:25] <forces> =.=
[06:25] <forces> that means your system can run both
[06:25] <forces> but you should use 32
[06:25] <forces> i386...
[06:26] <ubuntu> whats the reasoning then
[06:26] <forces> better support, there are more applications avaible for 32 bits than 64
[06:27] <ubuntu> and what makes this unit able  to run either?  i thought it was one or the other?
[06:27] <forces> =.=
[06:27] <forces> you make a lot of questions
[06:28] <forces> >.<!
[06:28] <ubuntu> thats why i'm here, to make questions
[06:28] <ubuntu> :P
[06:28] <forces> yes but my english is too bad and I dont understand all the questions
[06:29] <ubuntu> spanish?
[06:29] <forces> yes
[06:29] <ubuntu> yo hablo espanol
[06:29] <forces> LOL!
[06:29] <forces> porque no lo dijiste antes
[06:29] <ubuntu> pero aqui no
[06:29] <forces> entonces
[06:29] <forces> cual es tu pregunta
[06:29] <forces> aquí esta bien
[06:29] <ubuntu> nos van a correr
[06:29] <forces> nop
[06:29] <ubuntu> porque aqui es de ingles, veras
[06:30] <forces> yo ayudo en español aquí
[06:30] <ubuntu> vamos privado mejor
[06:30] <forces> la gente aquí es tranquila
[06:30] <forces> entonces #xubuntu-es
[06:30] <forces> entra ahí
[06:40] <ubuntu> ok, anybody ever have any luck getting an os refund from acer?  i'm running buntu live and not going to sign microsoft eula on this box/laptop
[06:40] <ubuntu> curious if anybody's tried (lately)
[07:01] <MTec007> hey guys, i had sound working in my last install, but i had to reinstall due to a couple really bad decisions on my part and I cannot remember how i got my sound working last time. double checked levels and mute in mixer and alsamixer.  lspci is 00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)     everything seems to be setup right but no sound will play.
[07:39] <nikolam> hi.
[07:40] <nikolam> I have a problem, my notebook with xubuntu is freezing randomly once a day
[07:40] <nikolam> i run 32 bit xubuntu hardy
[07:40] <nikolam> How can I diagnose the problem?
[07:41] <nikolam> whole screen gets locked and keyboard and does not respond co ctrl alt Fn
[07:41] <nikolam> neather to strl ald delete or backspace
[07:42] <nikolam> is there a way I can look inside some log or something etc.. ?
[07:45] <Kasm279> 2 things: the touchpad on my laptop isnt working, and the video is alwats at 1280x1024 when i start up
[07:46] <nikolam> Kasm279, try to sarch ubuntuforums.org on your laptop, etc
[07:47] <nikolam> Kasm279, and report bug describing problem on launchpad.net
[07:47] <nikolam> what is the modem of nbook, anyway?
[07:51] <Kasm279> nikolam: what did i miss?
[07:51] <Kasm279> my computer locked up
[07:52]  * Kasm279 pokes nikolam
[07:52] <nikolam> hi
[07:52] <Kasm279> its an Averatec 3725-EH1
[07:52] <nikolam> Kasm279, what version of xubuntu u are installing?
[07:52] <Kasm279> err
[07:52] <Kasm279> 3700
[07:52] <Kasm279> its installed
[07:52] <Kasm279> 9.04
[07:53] <Kasm279> but if i boot into something with kernel 2.4 or 2.5, the touchpad works
[07:53] <nikolam> try LTS version if you don`t want bleeding edge
[07:53] <nikolam> older but table
[07:53] <nikolam> and you can report a bug
[07:54] <nikolam> Kasm279, then it is 9.04 kernel problem or something
[07:54] <Kasm279> kernel
[07:55] <nikolam> it is possible that it would be solved as problem on next kernel update if you report it
[07:55] <Kasm279> i can get it to work with 8.10, but 8.10 locks up alot on this
[07:55] <Kasm279> k
[07:55] <Kasm279> i will report it
[07:55] <nikolam> yes, i personally stick ith lts 8.04,
[07:55] <Kasm279> any idea of how to it?
[07:55] <Kasm279> fix it*
[07:55] <Kasm279> fail>.>
[07:56] <Kasm279> or the screen resolution problem?
[07:56] <nikolam> also you can search or ask on ubuntuforums.org on your notebook type and on google for solving problem for now
[07:57] <Kasm279> i googled
[07:57] <Kasm279> nothing
[08:00] <nikolam> i personally first time heard about averatec brand.
[08:00] <nikolam> try hooking up with other users of same nbook
[08:00] <Kasm279> i have
[08:01] <Kasm279> its a 5 year old laptop
[08:01] <Kasm279> all the stuff on it is archived
[08:01] <nikolam> try liveCD with 8.04 LTS and see if it works there
[08:02] <Kasm279> thats how i know it works
[08:02] <Kasm279> BUT
[08:02] <nikolam> hah :)
[08:02] <Kasm279> the liveCD freezes brfore the desktop loads
[08:03] <Kasm279> ._.;
[08:04] <nikolam> what can i say, report all that bugs
[08:04] <nikolam> pronto
[08:04] <Kasm279> Xfce looks awsome with compositioning ob
[08:05] <Kasm279> on*
[08:06] <nikolam> i personally use compositing very rarely, or never
[08:06] <Kasm279> hm
[08:06] <nikolam> but it is nice on faster graphics than mine
[08:06] <Kasm279> well, with a 1.8GHz and 512MB RAM
[08:06] <Kasm279> :)
[08:06] <nikolam> what graphics there
[08:07] <Kasm279> nikolam: uhhh
[08:07] <Kasm279> i dont know
[08:07] <Kasm279> i think its Via
[08:07] <Kasm279> i know it steals RAM from the system
[08:07] <nikolam> Kasm279, hah, did you alo tried tha averatec tech support?
[08:08] <Kasm279> no
[08:08] <Kasm279> they wont support linux :x
[08:09] <nikolam> Kasm279, then don`t buy from such kind of companies..
[08:09] <Kasm279> i didnt
[08:09] <nikolam> also post an article/description of averatec mail response on forums
[08:09] <Kasm279> the laptop was given to me because it was dropped and in peices
[08:09] <nikolam> make their shame public
[08:12] <Kasm279> nikolam: however, the 12" laptop from linuxcertified.com is (i think) an averatec 2700
[08:13] <nikolam> Kasm279, if you post article on ubuntuforums with mail from support refusing to suport linux, i will be happy to update averatec wikipedia article about that
[08:13] <Kasm279> lmao
[08:13] <Kasm279> i dont think i will get anything
[08:14] <Kasm279> i asked for the max RAM 2 months ago
[08:14] <Kasm279> (which i found out is a huge 2GB :P)
[08:15] <nikolam> Kasm279, lets go to #xubuntu-offtopic
[08:15] <Kasm279> k
[08:58] <aacosta> how can i get wireless working on my eeepc
[08:59] <aacosta> jaunty
[09:56] <handjob> Hi all. I've got this small problem : I woke up today and found that there is no sound whatsoever. Maybe this can be helpful to determinate cause -> http://pastebin.ca/1472244
[10:40] <homebrewcider> can I upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 by cd, or do I have to do it via downliading from the net? If I have the choice, which is better?
[11:11] <handjob> Nobody home? I thought i am using 'popular' distro!@ : p
[11:14] <kbmaniac> Hi all, changed a box from kubuntu to xubuntu, all good except its running kdm, so logout drops me to the command line, any idea how to change ?
[11:15] <SiDi> kbmaniac: heya
[11:15] <SiDi> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/how-to-switch-between-gdm-and-kdm-on-ubuntu/
[11:16] <SiDi> Does this work for you ?
[11:16] <kbmaniac> taking a look ..
[11:17] <kbmaniac> trying it out ...
[11:17] <SiDi> (if you wanna switch to gdm, of course. If you wanna keep kdm i'm not sure exactly how to make xfce happy with it. But i know slim works ok with xfce, and gdm too)
[11:19] <kbmaniac> that works for me :)
[11:19] <kbmaniac> Many thanks from KDE4 refugee
[11:20] <SiDi> kbmaniac: happy to help
[11:23] <kbmaniac> While I have a xubuntu guru on line, one other question. This box is for my wife, she gets confused with logout, hibernate etc etc she just wants 'shut down', turning off 'prompt on logout' just gives me logout, any ideas ?
[11:42] <kbmaniac> Ah found something http://support.zenwalk.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=21764&start=0&sid=11d377817a866918905ffa535acbba8e&view=print
[11:51] <SiDi> kbmaniac: i actually dont know, but i think there is an option to remove hibernate/suspend :/
[11:52] <kbmaniac> Yup, no probs, found a link to do that. I am hopefully getting towards the end of a large open source project, then I will have time to tinker / code on xfce :)
[11:54] <SiDi> hm interesting :p
[11:55] <SiDi> What would you want to work on ?
[11:56] <kbmaniac> Apparently xfce is in need of a menu editor ?
[11:57] <kbmaniac> And because I am never quite satisfied with any icon set, I always want to change at least one, a icon set editor
[11:57] <SiDi> the menu editor is being worked on by the developer of alacarte, officially
[11:57] <kbmaniac> OK cross that one off ... lol
[11:59] <kbmaniac> I got about 2 months worth of work to finish http://www.kmotion.eu/mediawiki/index.php/Screenshots_v2 then I am a free agent looking for a project
[12:07] <SiDi> should i prepair my exams or should i play FF XII ? hmm..
[12:17] <kbmaniac> You should do a fair split, say 95% FF XII, 5% revision ...
[12:31] <SiDi> kbmaniac: i totally agree. i'll begin with the biggest part then : ff !
[12:33] <kbmaniac> Thats my kind of revision :) - got to go, bye
[12:37] <SiDi> bye kbmaniac
[13:20] <firsm> Hey, when I log out and back in again, the xfce panels on my two monitors do weird stuff like adding another xfce menu, removing applets randomly or removing/adding a duplicate places plugin to the panel. Any idea why that happens?
[13:28] <knome> try to removing ~/.cache/xfce4
[13:28] <knome> -to
[14:20] <seejay> hi all!
[14:21] <seejay> xubuntu does not store any history details on my machine :(
[14:21] <seejay> no history in terminal
[14:23] <handjob> It's wierd. When i type 'lsusb' i see my pendrive when i enter 'sudo blkid' i don't see it and i can't use device. Any solutions?
[14:23] <genii> seejay: Make sure the user owns ~/.bash_history and that it's permissions are 600
[14:27] <seejay> genii, thanks i'll check for that
[14:28] <seejay> genii, oh man! root owns it! :-o what was i thinking
[14:28] <seejay> heehee
[14:29] <seejay> genii, maybe i was drunk and logged in as root :-S
[14:30] <handjob> Will 9.04 instaler format partition i will mark as 'home' or will it just add it to the 'fstab'?
[14:31] <seejay> genii, done! :) thanks a lot man!
[14:31] <SiDi> seejay: make sure you own all your files in .config too :D
[14:32] <SiDi> ls -lR .config | grep root
[14:33] <seejay> SiDi, i just checked. I totally own them  ^_^
[14:40] <genii> seejay: np
[14:43] <handjob> Am i asking stupid questions?
[14:48] <SiDi> handjob: you're not
[14:48] <SiDi> handjob: did you install drivers for your pendrive ?
[14:52] <handjob> Well i don't recall doing so still i thought it was working 'ok' before malfunction.  I will try with the drivers. Thnaks
[15:10] <hatake_kakashi> anyone know how to get that mixer icon from ibex onto jaunty? the older one looked like one of those vertical bars with green "levelling" colour.. now that I'm on jaunty, the icon has been replaced with a dial type which doesn't really show you well how high is the volume
[15:21] <SiDi> hatake_kakashi: it tells you actually, if the volume is at 100% you'll see blue lines on it, representing the volume
[15:21] <hatake_kakashi> SiDi, oh well I fail then :) I have dark theme and transparency so I can't see it well compared to what it was :)
[15:33] <SiDi> hatake_kakashi: when you test karmic, have a look at https://launchpad.net/xfce4-volumed
[15:33] <SiDi> (we didnt package it yet tho)
[15:40] <smellynoser> Does ubuntu have USB power saving lark by default?
[16:34] <tuna-fish> hi. I'm having a weird problem with xubuntu. Every time I restart this machine, when the desktop loads, it loads one extra instance of xfdesktop. Right now, ps aux | grep xfdesktop | wc -l returns 18.
[16:35] <tuna-fish> Where is the profile stored so I can go nuke it?
[16:37] <knome> try removing ~/.cache/xfce4
[16:52] <handjob> Hi. How can i put 90.4 on thumb drive? Using CD is not an option.
[16:53] <ron_o> handjob, they have an application that can install linux to a thumb drive. Check the internet. I forget what it is called.
[16:54] <ron_o> any program that can make the thumbdrive bootable can work. For the easiest method, I hear that Windows burner (Nero?) can do it automatically, if you have that option of using Windows.
[16:56] <ron_o> and don't forget that in the BIOS to make your thumb drive bootable too.
[17:03] <handjob> Well i do not have windows and if you are thinking about 'unetbootin' sadly i can't find it for 8.04 .; (
[17:04] <charlie-tca> !install
[17:04] <charlie-tca> Works for jaunty, too
[17:05] <ron_o> handjob, it's in 9.04..
[17:06] <ron_o> if you have a fast enough computer you could install virtualbox and install xubuntu-9.04.. :/  I kind of figure you don't considering your situation.
[17:07] <handjob> Thanks for ideas.
[17:10] <ron_o> I'm not sure, but you might find help here: https://launchpad.net/~gezakovacs/+archive/ppa
[17:11] <ron_o> and don't forget about just installing it with source code. A pain, I know, but can still work very well.
[17:18] <handjob> Thank you again.
[17:18] <ron_o> handjob, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/unetbootin
[17:18] <ron_o> try that.... I was there already looking up emelfm. :)
[17:19] <ron_o> and as long as you have a deb file, your package manager should handle much of the problems associated with dependencies and such.
[17:19] <ron_o> but you may have to reinstall after an upgrade. YMMV.
[17:20] <ron_o> update*
[17:26] <handjob> Maybe you could help me with different problem : i don't have sound. I woke up turned pc on and the pc was mute. This may be helpful http://pastebin.ca/1472782.
[17:26] <ron_o> I guess the old emelfm is being totally discontinued. I hate the new one. And I dare say it's worth the hassle of installing it and the attendant dependencies. What a pain.
[17:27] <SiDi> handjob: this may seem stupid, but did you check if the headset/speaker was plugged, did you check no track was muted on the mixer?
[17:27] <SiDi> Also, run ps aux | grep pulse and tell me if it runs please
[17:28] <ron_o> run apley <song> and see what you get. If it's a hardware problem then aplay won't play anything and will tell you so.
[17:28] <ron_o> aplay*
[17:29] <ron_o> it looks like headset/speaker/mixer problem ...
[17:33] <handjob> No it does not sound stupid however they are plugged corectly. As for alsamixer i am not pretty sure what should and what should not be turned on yet yesterday it was working so can it change by itself? handjob   7346  0.0  0.1   3004   764 pts/0    S+   18:29   0:00 grep pulse
[17:33] <handjob> .handjob@ubuntu:~/audio/lmms/samples$ aplay ./Lere\ Gymnopedie\ -\ Mari\ Tsuda\ \[Piano\].mp3
[17:33] <handjob> Playing raw data './Lere Gymnopedie - Mari Tsuda [Piano].mp3' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono
[17:33] <handjob> ^[
[17:33] <handjob> It was so loud that i am half deaf right now yet it was not a music just noise
[17:43] <handjob> Ok nevermind - the unetbootin worked so i guess i will make clean install. One more question : will instalation proces erase data from 'home' partition?
[17:46] <ron_o> when you install unetbootin, will it erase data?
[18:05] <aacosta> for some reason xubuntu 9.04 the wireless doesnt work
[18:05] <aacosta> on my eeepc
[18:06] <knome> aacosta, has it worked on earlier xubuntu versions?
[18:08] <aacosta> this is the first time i use xubuntu
[18:08] <aacosta> it worked with the eeebuntu
[18:08] <aacosta> but fuck i didnt want to  use that i wanted to give xubuntu a try
[18:08] <aacosta> the xfce
[18:09] <aacosta> ad i whiped out my windows
[18:09] <knome> okay, look at http://array.org/ubuntu/ then
[18:09] <knome> !language
[18:09] <aacosta> sorry
[18:09] <knome> adding the repositories and installing the custom kernel will bring you all the functionality
[18:09] <aacosta> ok illl thanks for the link
[18:09] <knome> the eeebuntu uses the same repositories
[18:10] <aacosta> oh sweeet
[18:10] <aacosta> that looks like exactly what i was looking for
[18:10] <handjob> ron_o: Well no i was refering to xubuntu instalation. If i mark my old home partition for new home partition will the data be erased?
[18:11] <knome> handjob, there should be an option whether to format that partition or not
[18:11] <handjob> Thank you.
[18:11] <handjob> Bye
[18:13] <SiDi> aacosta: eeebuntu includes the drivers for your eee
[18:13] <SiDi> we dont
[18:13] <SiDi> very likely its some bad proprietary drivers with ndiswrapper
[18:13] <aacosta> im not on eeebuntu im on xubuntu
[18:14] <aacosta> ok im on the website
[18:14] <aacosta> i just download the the one that says jaunty
[18:15] <knome> SiDi, it has the array.org repository enabled.
[18:15] <knome> SiDi, they might be propietary, but you get the HW working easily.
[18:15] <aacosta> sorry im just kind confused
[18:16] <aacosta> fist time doing somthing like this
[18:16] <aacosta> oh  i found the instructions
[18:46] <aacosta> so after that it should work
[18:47] <aacosta> the wiresless
[18:47] <aacosta> with the array..org kernel
[18:48] <aacosta> yeah my wireless stil down
[18:49] <aacosta> ggrr ill try again when i get back
[19:46] <ToStItOs> Whats the support life for 8.10?
[19:48] <charlie-tca> 18 months
[19:48] <ToStItOs> then what? have to upgrade?
[19:48] <charlie-tca> ends 4th month of 2010
[19:48] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:49] <ToStItOs> wow that soon
[19:49] <charlie-tca> almost a year from now
[19:49] <charlie-tca> however, 9.04 is out already, too
[19:50] <ToStItOs> Charlie do you know what will be the next upgrade after 9.04
[19:50] <charlie-tca> sure, 9.10, which is karmic koala
[19:50] <charlie-tca> It is alpha2 now
[19:50] <ToStItOs> when is that due out?
[19:51] <charlie-tca> October 2009
[19:51] <charlie-tca> versions are year, month
[19:51] <SiDi> 10th month of year 20.09
[19:51] <SiDi> 09.10
[19:51] <ToStItOs> so each version technically only has support for 18 months
[19:52] <SiDi> no
[19:52] <SiDi> only normal versions
[19:52] <SiDi> !lts
[19:52] <SiDi> we dont make things simple :p
[19:53] <ToStItOs> I guess upgrading has its plus and minuses
[19:54] <ToStItOs> So after 8.04 LTS what will be the next version for Long Term Support? 8.10
[19:54] <charlie-tca> It hasn't been decided yet
[19:54] <charlie-tca> It should be 10.04
[19:56] <ToStItOs> Since I don't have LTS version I should upgrade before the support for this one runs out
[19:56] <charlie-tca> yeah, that is a real good idea.
[19:57] <charlie-tca> You do have to upgrade version to next version, though. I wait sometimes, and upgrade through about 3 releases one right after the other.
[19:57] <ToStItOs> LTS versions versus Regular what are the disadvantages and advantages
[19:57] <charlie-tca> LTS does not get all the application updates. You only need to upgrade every three years
[19:57] <charlie-tca> It is more stable than Regular.
[19:58] <charlie-tca> Regular is released every 6 months
[19:58] <charlie-tca> It has the most current apps, but sometimes is unstable because of that
[19:58] <ToStItOs> So LTS is somewhat of a best bet?
[20:00] <charlie-tca> I run LTS on my file server, but test the alphas and betas on this machine I use daily
[20:00] <charlie-tca> I have karmic on here.
[20:00] <charlie-tca> I upgrade this one every 6 months
[20:01] <charlie-tca> I will upgrade my LTS in 2011, when 8.04 is end of support for home desktops
[20:01] <charlie-tca> This one I take a chance on breaking regularly
[20:02] <charlie-tca> The LTS I know will not be broken. It just keeps working, but some of the applications will be quite old when I upgrade it.
[20:03] <charlie-tca> Example: Xfce 4.6.1 on Karmic, Xfce 4.4.2 on 8.04. Abiword 2.4 on LTS, 2.6 on here
[20:03] <charlie-tca> Things fixed in the later versions are still broken in 8.04
[20:05] <ToStItOs> So would it be wise to upgrade every so often although of stability issue
[20:05] <charlie-tca> No fighting with the hardware that works in 8.04 until I upgrade it. Sometimes the latest version won't work with my old hardware
[20:05] <charlie-tca> If what you use needs to be current, use the Regular releases. If you hate to upgrade, use LTS
[20:06] <ToStItOs> I may use the regular I'll see or just oder a live cd
[20:07] <ToStItOs> *order
[20:07] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu doesn't have shipit service. You download it yourself from http://xubuntu.org/get
[20:07] <ToStItOs> With the regular versions you most likely have to upgrade your computer
[20:08] <ToStItOs> I know I migrated from Ubuntu
[20:09] <nikolam> hi
[20:09] <charlie-tca> yeah, except when there is major changes. Karmic (9.10) is going to use ext4 filesystems by default and also has Grub2 now
[20:09] <charlie-tca> hi, nikolam
[20:10] <charlie-tca> At some point you may want to reinstall fresh to get those things
[20:10] <Salix_> Hello. Is there a way in 9.04 to put the switch user button onto the logout panel. To have it as a option beside hibernate/logout,shutdown/etc. as it was in 8.04?
[20:13] <charlie-tca> No, with the conversion to Xfce 4.6, too much changed
[20:13] <charlie-tca> You can move it next to the quit button on your panel, though
[20:16] <nikolam> hi charlie-tca :) I have a present :)
[20:16] <charlie-tca> what is it?
[20:16] <nikolam> I came back from 25 days trip, etc.. and   see fr yourself: :)
[20:16] <nikolam>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[20:16] <nikolam> 12506 nikola    20   0 4225m 901m  11m S    0 47.8 232:40.75 xfce4-menu-plug
[20:17] <nikolam> :D
[20:17] <charlie-tca> Looks like it got fixed ;-)
[20:32] <handjob> Hi how can i determinate what sound card (i have 2 on board) is in use?
[20:40] <SiDi> handjob: the mixer
[20:40] <SiDi> xfce4-mixer
[20:43] <Salix_> If I switch from user A to user B then the hotkeys (set by user B) do not work in the new session. Has anyone similar problem? What to check/set?
[20:43] <nikolam> charlie-tca, 4Gigs swap 1Gig RAm, hmm, that is about that for displaying menus :)
[20:43] <handjob> Thanks. Thats strange i don't have sound even after installing new os still i am positive that speakers work.
[20:44] <charlie-tca> It didn't eat up all the memory! Must be enough :-)
[20:45] <handjob> Ok i am fine (alsamixer)/
[20:46] <SiDi> Salix_: check user B has xfce4-settings-helper on autostart
[20:47] <nikolam> charlie-tca, :D
[20:48] <charlie-tca> SiDi: won't they be running already under user A if using the user switcher applet?
[20:48] <charlie-tca> or maybe I have no idea, too
[20:51] <Salix_> SiDi: hm... that should be the problem... testing...
[20:54] <Salix_> SiDi: thank you. it seems to be working now.
[20:57] <SiDi> charlie-tca: i suppose user switch launches a proper session for the new user ?
[21:07] <charlie-tca> I don't know, I thought maybe it wouldn't launch another session
[21:08] <charlie-tca> apparently, I should keep quiet and learn
[21:13] <ToStItOs> niko
[21:14] <ToStItOs> nikolam
[21:15] <ToStItOs> nikolam be back later
[21:20] <SiDi> that was weird
[21:21] <SiDi> charlie-tca: you know i'm not sure of what i say either, 90% of the time :D
[21:26] <charlie-tca> SiDi: your 10% and my little bit makes us a good pair to help people
[21:27] <SiDi> charlie-tca: indeed
[21:27] <SiDi> the fact that we often succeed means we're sort of wise, though
[21:28] <charlie-tca> :-)
[21:28] <charlie-tca> It takes a wise person to admit they do not know it all ;-)
[21:47] <TheParoxysm> Hey there.
[21:48] <TheParoxysm> Is there anyone currently alive?
[21:50] <TheParoxysm> Hey.
[21:50] <TheParoxysm> I'm sorry to persist.  But I have a question if someone has a moment.
[21:51] <Slonkie> !question | TheParoxysm
[21:51] <SiDi> We're unfortunately zombies, TheParoxysm
[21:51] <SiDi> but most of us still have enough fingers for typing on keyboards.
[21:51] <charlie-tca> yeah, I was thinking everybody in here is dead, too
[21:52] <SiDi> TheParoxysm: feel free to ask your question.
[21:52]  * SiDi goes back to his grave and takes some brain out of the fridge.
[21:52] <SiDi> charlie-tca: want some ?
[21:52] <charlie-tca> definitely, thanks
[21:53]  * SiDi gives half the brain to charlie-tca and then chomps into his brain part.
[21:53]  * charlie-tca needs to go out and get some more. Seem to be out.
[21:53]  * SiDi hopes we didn't shock TheParoxysm too much :|
[21:54]  * charlie-tca really thanks SiDi. Got to eat now
[21:54] <SiDi> charlie-tca: you're welcome :D
[21:55]  * charlie-tca thinks the anser to TheParoxysm's question is "maybe";)
[21:55] <SiDi> No. It's 42.
[21:55] <TheParoxysm> I'm sorry.
[21:55] <TheParoxysm> Hah, I wandered off for a moment to try to get Amarok.
[21:55] <SiDi> Hehe, don't be sorry for that.
[21:55] <TheParoxysm> I have an 03 Thinkpad, which I've just installed Xubuntu on.
[21:56] <SiDi> TheParoxysm: so what is it that we may help you with ? Apart from stealing your brain. *dribbles*
[21:56] <TheParoxysm> Previously I tried Ubuntu with Wubi, and loved it, so I have teeny tiny bit of experience.
[21:56] <TheParoxysm> So you may need to hold my hand a bit here, but the core problem is this.
[21:57] <TheParoxysm> I shot over to Youtube so I could put some music on while I configured, explored, etc on this fresh install.
[21:57] <TheParoxysm> But the videos are less than normal quality, and tend to hang in places graphics wise.
[21:57] <SiDi> Hm, interesting.
[21:57] <TheParoxysm> I have reinstalled and made sure to get the Flash plugin from the adobe site.
[21:57] <SiDi> Please go to Applications -> System -> hardware drivers
[21:57] <TheParoxysm> Alright.
[21:58] <SiDi> (and actually you should get Flash from us, we're more reliable than Adobe :D)
[21:58] <TheParoxysm> (Will do after then if you'll walk me through it.)
[21:58] <TheParoxysm> It says "No proprietary drivers are in use on this system."
[21:58] <SiDi> Okey
[21:58] <SiDi> Then you have an Intel graphics card ?
[21:59] <TheParoxysm> Correct!
[21:59] <SiDi> This is... annoying :P
[21:59] <SiDi> Because Intel *forgot* to release drivers for the latest graphical server (a thing called X.org)
[21:59] <TheParoxysm> Forgot, eh?
[21:59] <SiDi> I'm not sure if we have more experimental ones under hand that'd work.
[22:00] <SiDi> Yes, forgot.
[22:00] <TheParoxysm> I'm sure.
[22:00] <SiDi> I've heard it'd be mostly fixed in Ubuntu 9.10, because drivers landed in the meanwhile.
[22:00] <SiDi> But i don't have an Intel GPU on my one.
[22:01] <SiDi> Let me ask other people if they know about a solution
[22:01] <TheParoxysm> Thank you.
[22:02] <SiDi> Do you know the exact name of the card ?
[22:02] <SiDi> type lspci | grep VGA otherwise
[22:02] <TheParoxysm> Alright.
[22:03] <TheParoxysm> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
[22:03] <TheParoxysm> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
[22:04] <SiDi> Oops...
[22:04] <SiDi> again please :D
[22:04] <TheParoxysm> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
[22:04] <SiDi> !info xserver-xorg-video-intel jaunty
[22:04] <SiDi> !info xserver-xorg-video-intel karmic
[22:05] <TheParoxysm> I checked synaptic, and spotted a couple Intel Drivers, but thought better of installing them until I got some sort of confirmation of if they were correct for me or not.
[22:06] <SiDi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1130582 your problem seems to be mostly the 4th
[22:07] <SiDi> The current drivers in Jaunty are not the latest ones. There are much better ones in the wild, but i want to make sure they'll work before telling you to install them :)
[22:07] <TheParoxysm> Alrighty then.
[22:08] <SiDi> Read that page with me by the way, i'll refer to it and guide you through it
[22:08] <SiDi> Since you don't use restricted drivers we'll go for the "Optimal" method
[22:08] <TheParoxysm> Alright.
[22:09] <TheParoxysm> Thank you again for your patience and assistance.
[22:09] <SiDi> More or less a stable version of whats in karmic's alpha2
[22:09] <SiDi> TheParoxysm: that's what we're here for ;)
[22:10] <SiDi> TheParoxysm: i let you begin part A of the guide, tell me if there is something you don't understand or you're not sure about
[22:12] <TheParoxysm> Hah, I think I've failed.  I've entered the first command into the terminal, it requested Admin Auth, and after inputting it, nothing happened.
[22:14] <SiDi> oh crap
[22:15] <SiDi> we don't have gedit in xubuntu :D
[22:15] <SiDi> replace gedit by mousepad ;)
[22:15] <TheParoxysm> Hah, sorry.  What do I put in it's place?
[22:15] <SiDi> gksudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:16] <SiDi> Make sure the "Device" section looks like the one on the guide
[22:16] <TheParoxysm> Oh! Lol, sorry.   I'm a bit slow...this lifetim.
[22:16] <SiDi> if there is another one, add a # to each line of the current one (this will make X.org ignore this part of the configuration part) and then add the forum's one below
[22:19] <TheParoxysm> Done with that, now I'm setting infront of Part B.
[22:21] <SiDi> Ok so gksudo mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:21] <SiDi> instead of gedit, for the first command
[22:21] <TheParoxysm> Yep.
[22:21] <TheParoxysm> I'm finishing with Part B now, Terminal's doing it's thing still.
[22:22] <SiDi> We're gonna add a source of software updates to your system. This source is maintained by Ubuntu members instead of Canonical, but it has more up-to-date drivers
[22:22] <TheParoxysm> Alright.
[22:23] <SiDi> Tell me when you're done
[22:24] <TheParoxysm> It's finished, but in the top right there's a gears symbol saying a package manager is working.
[22:25] <SiDi> You're on the dist-upgrade command ?
[22:25] <TheParoxysm> I've completed that.
[22:26] <TheParoxysm> I've completed what the guide says is for the Optimal settings.
[22:26] <SiDi> Grey symbol ?
[22:26] <SiDi> Normally it should disappear within seconds if the upgrade is finished
[22:26] <TheParoxysm> It's gone now.
[22:26] <SiDi> Okey, part C now
[22:26] <TheParoxysm> Alright.
[22:27] <SiDi> we're gonna add a recent kernel to your list of kernels. So when you'll boot you'll have new lines that allow you to boot on 2.6.30
[22:27] <TheParoxysm> Completed.
[22:29] <TheParoxysm> Should I restart the computer now?
[22:33] <SiDi> charlie-tca: i hope it'll work
[22:33] <SiDi> either i'll be a stupid zombie
[22:34] <charlie-tca> Good luck!
[22:34]  * charlie-tca suspects SiDi would be a smart zombie
[22:35]  * charlie-tca seems to have lost the update manager
[22:36] <SiDi> charlie-tca: yeh, a zombie which saves some brain for personal use
[22:36] <charlie-tca> SiDi: have you seen my update manager? It seems to have gone somewhere... (karmic)
[22:36] <SiDi> he takes too long to respawn
[22:37] <charlie-tca> yeah, hopefully, he knows how to boot the old kernel if needed
[22:37] <SiDi> charlie-tca: what do you mean by seen update manager ?
[22:37] <SiDi> i'm more worried about the xorg.conf changes
[22:37] <SiDi> the kernel  will just work
[22:37] <charlie-tca> the thing that does updates! you know, orange icon, Applications -> System -> Update Manager
[22:37] <charlie-tca> all gone
[22:38] <SiDi> hm
[22:38] <SiDi> update-manager in a console ? :D
[22:38] <charlie-tca> here yesterday, gone today
[22:38] <SiDi> they changed the behaviour btw, now instead of showing a proper icon
[22:38] <SiDi> it pops up without reason on a regular basis
[22:38] <charlie-tca> in Xubuntu?
[22:38] <SiDi> so you really can appreciate the intrusiveness of it
[22:38] <SiDi> in Ubuntu
[22:39] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu changed it in 9.04, but we did not
[22:39] <charlie-tca> I know, I confirmed the bug and then got laughed at by mpt
[22:41] <SiDi> he seems to be alone on his side though
[22:41] <SiDi> i commented on a bug report and got quite a lot of +1s
[22:41] <charlie-tca> But winning, since sabdfl backs him up
[22:41] <SiDi> sabdfl is wrong on this one then :|
[22:42] <charlie-tca> you think?
[22:42] <charlie-tca> lol
[22:42] <charlie-tca> I gave up telling them it won't work back in Jaunty
[22:43] <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/332945
[22:43] <charlie-tca> I am the one that confirmed it, right after it was filed
[22:48] <SiDi> im gonna go bed
[22:48] <charlie-tca> good night
[22:48] <SiDi> thanks
[23:26] <homebrewcider> can I upggrade from 8.04 to 8.10 via the cd? if so, is this better than upgrading over the net?
[23:28] <charlie-tca> yes, using the alternate cd you can. Not better necessarily, since after the upgrade, you will have a couple hundred updates either way
[23:28] <homebrewcider> quicker though?
[23:28] <charlie-tca> I don't really know.
[23:29] <charlie-tca> I have never used the cd to upgrade. I do mine over the net
[23:30] <homebrewcider> ok thanks
[23:30] <zoredache> homebrewcider: do you have a livecd, or alternatecd?  you could use 'apt-cdrom' to add it as a source of packages
[23:46] <hagg> hi. is there a way in xubuntu9.04 to lock the screen after return from suspend? didnt find it in the settings
[23:49] <ron_o> hagg, there is. However, I forget how it's done. I can't use suspend at the moment.
[23:52] <ron_o> hagg, have you given suspend a try? I think it's automatic?
[23:53] <ron_o> here's a solution. But obviously it ain't automatic: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=967616
[23:53] <hagg> ya, i tried it a few times. wakes up in a second and i have full access to the desktop
[23:54] <hagg> ok, thx, i'll give it a tray
[23:54] <hagg> re<
[23:54] <hagg> try