[00:29] <djsiegel__> seele: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut please check it out and change if you'd like
[09:51] <cbr> hi, latest karmic crashes on kde login
[09:52] <cbr> xorg log has some backtrace
[09:52] <cbr> openbox works though
[10:07] <davmor2> cbr: hit ctrl-alt-f1 type in the following sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade this should then add about 16 packages.  It should then work.  Or at least it is for me now on gnome test install.
[10:15] <cbr> davmor2: yup, did that
[10:15] <cbr> and no, it didn't work
[10:16] <davmor2> what gfx card do you have?  I'm assuming this is down to kms being enabled
[10:16] <cbr> oh wait, there's some mesa stuff now
[10:16] <cbr> i have intel
[10:16] <cbr> and kms doesn't work now for some reason
[10:16] <cbr> although it did before
[10:17] <davmor2> cbr: yes the mesa stuff and some xserver stuff too that should fix it
[10:26] <davmor2> cbr: did that fix it?
[11:00] <cbr> davmor2: yes
[11:02] <Mamarok> arghs, some users...
[11:14] <\sh> sebas: congrats
[11:17] <Mamarok> \sh: what for?
[11:17]  * Mamarok wonders
[11:27] <davmor2> cbr: Cool :) everyone is a happy bunny again :)
[11:35] <\sh> Mamarok: for his new job at kdab
[11:35] <Mamarok> oh, that :) he started back in May already :)
[11:41] <\sh> Mamarok: I didn't know that :)
[11:42] <Mamarok> \sh: well, I learned when we had the Amarok sprint at KDAB offices back in May :)
[11:43] <\sh> Mamarok: hopefully I have time to go to most of the FOSS real world meetings next year...seems like I miss quite a lot of good meetings :)
[11:44] <Mamarok> you definitely do!
[11:44] <Mamarok> and you will not attend Akademy if I understand you right?
[11:44] <Mamarok> sad :(
[11:44] <Mamarok> what about FrosCon?
[11:45] <\sh> Mamarok: as I never attended Akadamy, I don't know what I will miss...and as said at the end of last year and at the beginning of this year, I won't attend any FOSS fairs or conferences this year, because of Family. :)
[11:45] <Mamarok> not even FrosCon? That's not that far away and only a weekend
[11:47] <\sh> Mamarok: yeah...but you know since may I was only 2 weeks really at home and the rest of the time travelling between our datacenters and doing a lot of work...so time with family has prio 1 :) but hopefully next year I'll take wife and son with me to travel around :) so Sean Ryan learns about the FOSS community from the very beginning of his life :)
[11:47] <Mamarok> that sounds nice!
[12:13] <freinhard> can i change to another kde session in karmic? doesn't work for intel on jaunty atm.
[12:37] <valgaav> freinhard:  AFAIK that's a driver issue
[12:37] <valgaav> should be fixed with kms /gem/ dri2
[12:38] <valgaav> it's jut that with dri1 you cannot run 2 xservers with 3d at the same time
[12:41] <freinhard> does a kde desktop without any effects need 3d?
[12:41] <freinhard> can't use them anyways, hardware to slow.
[12:41] <freinhard> or driver too bad.
[12:50] <valgaav> well maybe
[12:51] <valgaav> I never really tried to run a second xserver with OSS drivers...
[13:05] <nixternal> ummmmm
[13:05] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/203521/
[13:05] <nixternal> why?
[13:12] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: phonon is built against pulseaudio so that if its installed, you'll get support. But luckily having libpulse0 installed != having pulseaudio installed ;-)
[13:13] <nixternal> funny, same symptoms as having it installed
[13:18] <JontheEchidna> it doesn't contain the pulseaudio binary, just the libraries
[13:21] <nixternal> well, in the past we have been able to remove them, therefor removing "PulseAudio" from the multimedia selection
[13:21] <nixternal> otherwise it will keep saying my Intel audio doesn't work, falling back to .
[13:21] <nixternal> and I have to live with no sound
[13:24] <JontheEchidna> sounds like something aside from pulseaudio is failing, and in the process it's falling back to the fake PA backend
[13:24] <nixternal> who is buying breakfast this morning?
[13:30] <nixternal> I figured out what it was, it was pulse, just not those packages
[13:31] <nixternal> when I grep'd and all those pulse packages showed up, which I wasn't used to seeing in the past, I got a bit nervous
[13:32] <JontheEchidna> you should do something like that mononono package
[13:32] <JontheEchidna> pulseaudionono
[13:32] <JontheEchidna> :P
[13:32] <nixternal> gotta bare with me, I am cranky because I quit smoking
[13:32] <nixternal> I think we should have Mono in Kubuntu
[13:32] <nixternal> we can put Tomboy in by default
[13:33] <nixternal> now that would be a great April Fools right there
[13:33] <JontheEchidna> yeah, boycottnovell'd shit its pants
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> or, we could port knotes to the mono qytoto bindings :D
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> *qyoto
[13:36] <nixternal> oh man, that would be so awesome
[13:36] <JontheEchidna> it would totally be called "pulling a reverse gnote"
[13:36] <nixternal> that would be really funny
[13:36] <nixternal> I looked at the Tomboy and GNote code, it is by far the largest mess for the smallest app I have ever in my life witnessed
[13:37] <nixternal> dude, their codebase screams "OVERENGINEERING!!!"
[13:38] <JontheEchidna> pixel_256x13_has_changed()
[13:38] <nixternal> hahahaha
[13:59] <rgreening> did we remove gdebi yet from default install? Riddell or ScottK? As KPackagekit can likley replace it all right?
[13:59]  * rgreening cant recall if it was done last cycle or for this...
[14:01] <rgreening> hmm.. I believe install-package deps on it for some reason (and that would need fixing).
[14:03] <JontheEchidna> yeah, we never got around to removing the dependency from install-package
[14:03] <JontheEchidna> tonio's looking in to putting the functionality into kpackagekit
[14:10] <txwikinger_work> Anybody having an idea when the redrawing issues and plasma-desktop problems will be solved?
[14:12] <freinhard> dtchen: about that firmwareupdate for prism cards: i clone the the git from the repo, commit my local changes and then?
[14:57] <nhandler> ryanakca: Some links in the footer have the same problem as the "You are Here" link. The /License page is also missing (I am trying to hunt that down)
[15:03] <nhandler> ryanakca: I'll file a bug report later today. I just wanted to let you know
[15:11] <seele> what did we decide about bug 389740? invalid because oxygen isn't the default theme anymore?
[15:11] <seele> (at least for a papercut)
[15:19] <yuriy> seele: I doubt that the icons are transparent, and the icon set is not changing, so i'm guessing the icons were actually fixed
[15:26] <yuriy> or not, don't see any changes in svn
[15:45] <jjesse> morning
[15:46] <seele> yuriy: the icons weren't fix, the problem must be with the oxygen theme
[15:47] <seele> maco: are you planning on working on the "Abort" strong papercut? if so, I'd like to assign it to you
[15:47] <seele> *string
[16:17] <Quintasan> ScottK: ping
[16:45] <Quintasan> Riddell: ping
[16:47] <freinhard> what do i need for a debug package? DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=?
[16:48] <agateau> seele: where can i find the paperkut list? on your wiki page?
[16:50] <maco> seele, yes
[16:51] <maco> did kpackagekit's persistent notification thingy start working? the icon's changed...
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> maco: yeah, we re-enabled kpackagekit's notifications
[17:04] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: who else I can poke to get new rev. of update-manager-kde reviewed and uploaded? ScottK is mentioned he has lot's of work
[17:05] <JontheEchidna> ridell, apachelogger, and tonio are the other guys you might try
[17:06] <rgreening> Quintasan: Tonio_is online, maybe he has a quick minute to dput for you...
[17:07] <seele> agateau: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bugs?field.tag=hundredpaperkuts
[17:07] <Quintasan> Tonio_: pingstorm
[17:07] <agateau> seele: thanks
[17:08] <seele> maco: done :)
[17:08] <seele> agateau: feel free to add any, there are probably some out there i dont realise are papercuts because i dont know how little/much work they take
[17:09] <agateau> seele: ok
[17:09] <agateau> but probably not today in fact :/
[17:10] <agateau> have to go
[17:11] <Tonio_> Quintasan: can you ping me in a couple of hours ? I'll be at home and online, and I may forget about that ;)
[17:11] <Quintasan> Tonio_: sure, if Riddell won't show up faster :P
[17:11] <Tonio_> Quintasan: oki :)
[17:14] <rgreening> ScottK: you around?
[17:23] <maco> seele, "hundredpaperkuts"? cute
[17:24] <JontheEchidna> as a note, they've been removing the hunderpaperkuts tag and replacing it with kde
[17:24] <maco> and no "hundredpapercuts" to replace it?
[17:24] <seele> JontheEchidna: why?
[17:25] <seele> JontheEchidna: i saw they only did it to one, not all of them
[17:25] <JontheEchidna> I saw two of them, figured it was a trend
[17:25] <JontheEchidna> as for why, dunno.
[17:26] <seele> argh.. i feel like i'm playing operation
[17:26] <seele> i broke my backspace key and now all these little pieces are falling off
[17:26] <seele> and i'm trying to put them back into their exact holes or else it messed up the other little pieces
[17:32] <maco> seele, get an external keyboard, then get StevenK to fix yours
[17:32] <maco> he managed to get my Ctrl keycap back on at UDS
[17:32] <maco> (i was trying for 3 weeks!)
[17:32] <Quintasan> LOL
[17:34] <maco> hrm.... seele?
[17:34] <maco> in kpackagekit, on the updater...the down arrows...
[17:34] <maco> if i'm UPdating, why do the arrows point DOWN?
[17:35] <seele> downloading updates?
[17:35] <maco> (with the programmer hat, i'm guessing it's something to do with DOWNloading the updates...?)
[17:35] <seele> i remember havin this discusison with someone else before
[17:36] <maco> i'm trying to figure out how my brother and mom would act if they used kde
[17:37] <maco> im not entirely sure mom would know to click the arrow...i think my brother might guess
[17:41] <seele> which arrow are you talking about? the update indicator?
[17:42] <seele> YES i fixed it
[17:44] <JontheEchidna> seele: I think the discussion you are recalling was in regards to the proposed update-notifier-kde icons when it was first developed
[17:44] <JontheEchidna> probably with me :P
[17:44] <seele> ah, hehe
[17:46] <maco> in the updater window
[17:47] <maco> there's a blue arrow to the right of the package name
[17:47] <maco> and you click that to tell it to update that package
[17:47] <maco> i feel like it ought to point up...or have a thumbs up to say "yes" ...or something
[17:59] <freinhard> Quintasan: when you remind Tonio_ about your update-notifier-kde changes, please remind him of my branch too: https://code.launchpad.net/~freinhard/update-notifier-kde/respect-exitcodes
[17:59] <freinhard> thx
[17:59] <Quintasan> freinhard: sure thing :)
[18:07] <Tonio_> freinhard: I merged already ;)
[18:07] <Tonio_> freinhard: I'll release a new version this WE, after I fix a bug that affects debian
[18:10] <freinhard> Tonio_: great! merged on your local machine or is lp slow these days?
[18:11] <Tonio_> freinhard: look the code on kdesudo project/trunk
[18:11] <Tonio_> freinhard: should be in afaik...
[18:12] <freinhard> Tonio_: stupid me, wrong ff tab!
[18:21] <Tonio_> freinhard:  ;)
[19:01]  * Quintasan loves Vi input mode in kate
[19:08] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[19:09] <_Groo_> anyone working on amarok 2.2 builds? i need a fresh mysqld patch :P
[20:25] <Mamarok> groo_: seems no one, so please, go ahead :)
[20:26] <groo_> Mamarok: yeah gonna have to fix it... 2.2 crashes now when i use the embedded mysqle.. i need to use external..
[20:26] <groo_> Mamarok: gonna see what i can do
[20:27] <Mamarok> groo_: works fine here, but I have a self-compiled mysqle here
[20:27] <groo_> Mamarok: can you paste.bin your ./configure? i wanna see if something changed, and what svn number?
[20:28] <Mamarok> for my Amarok build you mean?
[20:28] <groo_> Mamarok: it broke after 983750
[20:28] <groo_> Mamarok: yes
[20:29] <Mamarok> groo_: my SVN build is r986494
[20:30] <groo_> Mamarok: hmm ok, can you paste.bin your ./configure (confgi.log)
[20:30]  * Mamarok checks
[20:34] <Mamarok> groo_: you sure about the name of the file? I compile a SVN checkout with cmake here
[20:34] <groo_> Mamarok: no, no amarok.. the configure of your mysql
[20:34] <Mamarok> right, sorry, let me check
[20:40] <Mamarok> groo_: my bad, I sem to use the libmysqlclient15-dev from jaunty, forgot I did a complete reinstall here :(
[20:41] <groo_> Mamarok: it works now??? using default jaunty dev?
[20:41] <groo_> Mamarok: it didnt before.. interesting
[20:42] <Mamarok> groo_: and it seems to work since quite some time, I haven't reinstalled this machine since April
[20:43] <groo_> Mamarok: did you use jauntys package to rebuild amarok?
[20:49] <Mamarok> groo_: yes, all is jaunty, except the taglib-extras, the qtscriptgenerator (apachelogger did build one that works btw, use it on another machine) and liblastfm now
[20:50] <Mamarok> actually, there are jaunty packages for both taglib-extras and qtscriptgenerator that work
[20:55] <nantal> i have a problem with the amarok music player
[20:56] <nantal> i can't play musics in mp3 format
[21:04] <Mamarok> nantal: install libxine1-ffmpeg, and please, use #kubuntu for support questions
[21:06] <nantal> ok, thank you
[21:07] <Mamarok> you are welcome :)
[21:09] <nantal> oh, thank you very much, it works again :D
[21:14] <Mamarok> nantal: and this is not Amaroks fault, it's a license problem, we can not ship those by default because of restrictions in some countries
[21:15]  * Mamarok notes that missing codecs should be proposed automatically for Amarok in Kubuntu *hint*
[21:17] <Quintasan> Mamarok: If I'm not mistaken there is KNotify popup which suggests installing additional packages :>
[21:18] <Mamarok> Quintasan: that's the theory...
[21:19] <Quintasan> well it showed up for me after installation
[21:19] <Mamarok> Quintasan: never seen that happen in real life on Jaunty so far, guess why we have so many support request for mp3 not working...
[21:19] <Mamarok> coming mainly from Kubuntu users
[21:19] <Mamarok> Quintasan: also, it shows up for gstreamer, but not for xine
[21:20] <Quintasan> hmm I think it should get fixed once for all
[21:20] <Quintasan> however my coding skills are almost 0 :<
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> Mamarok: this is with the kubuntu packages that it's not asking for codecs?
[21:21] <groo_> btw will support for replaygain in xine be implemnted in 2.2? gstreamer is a piece of...
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> it's expected that it wouldn't work for ubuntu users since they don't normally have update-notfier-kde installed
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> but if they're using the kubuntu packages in kubuntu then it should ask for the codecs
[21:22] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: hm, and we get tons of angry users who can't play music in Amarok...
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> all I've ever seen are bug reports from ubuntu users
[21:22] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: nope, check the logs for #kubuntu, those are Kubuntu users new to Jaunty, most have never seen that pop up
[21:23] <Mamarok> and we have most of them in #amarok anyway, and in bugzilla
[21:23] <rickspencer3-afk> nick rickspencer3
[21:23] <Mamarok> slash...
[21:32] <Quintasan> Tonio_: ping
[21:33] <Tonio_> Quintasan: reviewing ;)
[21:33] <Tonio_> thanks fo the reminder
[21:34] <Quintasan> Tonio_: rev. 80 and I'm sorry for making small mess with commits :P
[21:34] <Tonio_> no pb :)
[21:35] <freinhard> Tonio_: didn't merge my branch in and forgot to modify kdesudo.h and the signal.
[21:35] <Tonio_> freinhard: hu ?
[21:36] <freinhard> Tonio_: try to compile rev38
[21:36] <Tonio_> hum the problem is that you patched an old trunk and I had problem following your diff :)
[21:36] <Tonio_> freinhard: wan't trunk access ? that would easier
[21:36] <freinhard> Tonio_: sure :)
[21:37] <Tonio_> freinhard: would be way easier than finding what you modified in a hudge diff :)
[21:37] <Tonio_> freinhard: just subscribe to the list please
[21:37] <Tonio_> s/list/team
[21:38] <Tonio_> freinhard: I'll approve you immediately
[21:39] <freinhard> Tonio_: done
[21:39] <Tonio_> freinhard: approved :)
[21:43] <freinhard> thx! still don't undestand why my version was to old. i modified r37, that's the latest version listed.
[21:47] <Tonio_> freinhard: hu ?
[21:48] <Tonio_> weird, I made a diff and it was realy hudge... missing translations and so on.... well nevermind, you can do whatever you want now :)
[21:51] <freinhard> Tonio_: that's all i did: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~freinhard/kdesudo/return-exitcode/revision/38
[21:51] <Tonio_> freinhard: I might have been drunk then :/
[21:54] <freinhard> Tonio_: k then i'll commit the rest of the changes.
[21:54] <Tonio_> freinhard: super !
[21:55] <Quintasan> Tonio_: hope mine is good too :3
[21:57] <Tonio_> Quintasan: it is
[21:57] <Tonio_> Quintasan: also I don't understand why the python script fails when started accross the link
[21:57] <Tonio_> Quintasan: especially since kblueplugd is in the same place, same kinda link, and doesn't have the same issue...
[21:58] <Quintasan> Tonio_: I don't know, if I remember correctly ScottK and rgreening couldnt solve it either.
[21:58] <Quintasan> but I hope that solution is acceptable
[21:59] <Tonio_> Quintasan: waiting for any better, this works
[21:59] <Tonio_> Quintasan: uploaded
[22:00] <Tonio_> Quintasan: would be interesting to ask Riddell is he has any idea of a better fix
[22:00] <Quintasan> Tonio_: I pinged him two times but I guess he has work to do
[22:02] <Tonio_> k
[22:03] <dtchen> freinhard: request a pull
[22:13] <freinhard> dtchen: but where would you pull from? so i need some githost?
[22:14] <Riddell> evening
[22:14] <dtchen> freinhard: yes, you would need a publicly accessible git host
[22:14] <dtchen> gitorious, github, ...
[22:45] <freinhard> Tonio_: does a LP #<bug> in a commit message trigger the "fix commited" status change?
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> freinhard: fix released, yes
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> you can set it to fix committed if the fix is in bzr or upstream has committed the fix in their repos
[22:47] <freinhard> right, was talking about bzr.
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> oh, dunno
[22:48] <Tonio_> freinhard: yup
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> I've never had it set it to fix committed automatically for me
[22:49] <freinhard> i'll wait some more minutes for the magic to happen
[23:07] <smarter_> freinhard: bzr commit --fixes lp:12345
[23:08] <smarter_> if you use that nifty utility which I forgot the name of and that generate commit messages from the changelog, I think it's done automatically
[23:08] <freinhard> smarter_: thany you for the hint!
[23:09] <smarter_> (damn, I really haven't packaged for a while)
[23:09] <smarter_> 'night
[23:11] <freinhard> Tonio_: looks like bug 258799 got fixed with http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo/kdesudo/trunk-kde4/revision/35 ?
[23:11] <freinhard> works for me here.
[23:18] <Tonio__> freinhard: I'll fix the changelog then if I can confirm this works
[23:18] <Tonio__> freinhard: id you commit your changes ?
[23:19] <freinhard> Tonio__: yes i did.
[23:19] <nhandler> ryanakca: You know the footer I was talking about earlier? That should not be there at all. The Copyright / License stuff and mention of a free license currently only applies to help.ubuntu.com (where ubuntunew is used)