hggdhwaste. I am from the time a large computer had 160K00:00
bcurtiswxwell other empathy chat rooms, youll see users icons.00:00
bcurtiswxhahaha, i think it would be a great wishlist bug to suggest an improvement with telepathy-idle (or empathy is thats what does that)00:00
bcurtiswxits still devel, so i imagine it will change before karmic00:02
bcurtiswxand a suggestion like yours may make it in00:02
hggdhmine? I have no power here00:03
bcurtiswxi mean in a telepathy-idle or empathy bug report wishlist suggesting the space be reduced00:04
bcurtiswx(im asking in #telepathy now)00:04
hggdhyes. And I see no room list00:05
micahg1 /nick micahg03:17
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jj__im using ubuntu 64bit,, after the new kernel update with the new fglrx drivers from ubuntu it randomly freezes04:40
jj__i have removed the prop drivers and now using open source video drivers and it works fine04:41
micahgwhich version?04:41
jj__which version?  im using ubuntu 64bit edition04:41
jj__the drivers installed from hardware drivers04:42
jj__but removing them and using opensource all works now04:42
micahgI suggest going to amd's site and downloading the latest drivers04:44
micahgthe amd installer can generate debian packages for your ubuntu version04:44
micahgor you can use the open source drivers04:45
jj__i am fine with opensource but drawback is no 3d.. but even before the kernel update prop drivers from amd or ubuntus  hardware drivers  have issues with the graphic card i have04:46
micahgwhich card do you have?04:46
jj__hd 345004:46
jj__mobile version04:46
micahgis that a new card?04:47
jj__yes its not the newest but it has been out for a while now04:47
micahgI have the hd 320004:47
micahgI just use the installer for amd to build the latest drivers04:47
jj__do you have any issues?04:49
jj__the thing is .... how would you remove it?04:49
micahgwhat version of Ubuntu?04:49
micahgremove what?04:49
jj__ive installed the amd installer and removing it is a pain04:49
jj__the driver if its trouble04:49
micahguse the installer to generate .deb packages04:50
micahgrun it with --help04:50
micahgand it'll give you the command switch04:50
jj__ive never tried using the --help before thank you04:50
dholbachgood morning06:43
jj_is there any way to enable the newly installed video driver without rebooting?06:44
dholbachjj_: restart X?06:45
jj_dholbach,  how is that done without logging off or rebooting?06:45
dholbachI dunno if just logging out and logging in is good enough - to be safe: log out, ctrl-alt-f1, log in, type "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart; exit", log in normally06:47
jj_dholbach,  well i didnt wanna cancel downloads or anything,, guess i'll wait :P06:48
dholbachthat probably makes sense :)06:48
YoBoYgood morning06:50
dcravenHi, I think this bug should be set to Wishlist --> bug #39135906:51
ubot4Launchpad bug 391359 in ubuntu "Feature request: System restore" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39135906:51
dcravenApparently I'm supposed to post those here :)06:51
YoBoYcheckpoints ... :]06:58
paxsterBug #391804 should most likely be categorized as wishlist08:58
ubot4Launchpad bug 391804 in hundredpapercuts "nautilus-open-terminal should be included in default Ubuntu install" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39180408:58
Hobbsee!info nautilus-open-terminal karmic09:00
ubot4Hobbsee: nautilus-open-terminal (source: nautilus-open-terminal): nautilus plugin for opening terminals in arbitrary local paths. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.13-2 (karmic), package size 41 kB, installed size 780 kB09:00
Hobbseethat'd be nice09:01
shadeslayerif i cannot reproduce a issue in a old release of KDE with a newer release of KDE,what should i mark that bug as?09:07
shadeslayerbug 36112909:07
ubot4Launchpad bug 361129 in tagua "calendar widget messes taskbar up" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36112909:07
paxsterwhat should bug 391945 regarding the pidgin/yahoo issue be marked as?09:11
ubot4Launchpad bug 391945 in pidgin "unable to connect  yahoo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39194509:11
shadeslayerpaxster:i think a fix has been comitted09:12
ubot4At the moment there are many pidgin users experiencing problems connecting to Yahoo IM, you can try changing your paging server to cs101.msg.mud.yahoo.com and see if that helps.09:12
shadeslayeror give that as a comment09:13
paxsteri gave a comment telling them to get the fixed version, 2.5.709:13
paxsterI never had any luck changing the paging server09:13
shadeslayerpaxster: depends on person to person...09:14
shadeslayerpaxster: i think it works in koepet09:14
paxstershadeslayer: connecting to yahoo?09:15
shadeslayerpaxster: yeah...im trying right npw09:16
paxstershadeslayer: there is a pidgin release that fixes the problem - so I directed them there and gave the other work around - hopefully that will help09:17
shadeslayerthat will hopefully fix the problem..09:17
shadeslayeri hate it when mail providers overhaul their servers....09:18
lesshastehi all10:39
xteejxhi guys12:07
BUGabundohey xteejx12:08
BUGabundoand hello everyone12:08
BUGabundohi YoBoY12:08
xteejxhey BUGabundo :)12:08
YoBoYhi BUGabundo12:09
YoBoYhi everyone12:09
dupondjebugs that are reported on launchpad, concerning a ppa package, thats invalid right ?12:34
Ampelbeindupondje: That depends on the bug. If it can be reproduced with the package in the archive, it is not invalid.12:39
Ampelbeindupondje: can you give the bugnumber?12:39
ubot4Launchpad bug 388905 in wammu "package conflict and failed dependencies" [Undecided,New]12:41
Ampelbeindupondje: yeah, that's invalid. the packager supposedly made a mistake in packaging (not adding appropriate Replaces/Conflicts). It would be nice to know, which ppa the reporter used to install so that we can track the issue down.12:44
niadhI have a new bug can't reproduce, do i mark it invalid (am taking part in the banshee bug day having been away doing my thesis for almost a year)12:46
dupondjeAmpelbein: so invalid or incomplete ? ;)12:46
niadhI thought invalid since I can't reproduce it using the criteria I was given12:47
Ampelbeindupondje: invalid.12:47
niadhI am using a later version though12:47
niadhCan always ask em to try the PPA version themselves12:47
Ampelbeinniadh: Even if you can't reproduce, the bug could still be valid, e.g. on a different architecture. Can you give the bugnumber?12:48
Ampelbeinbug 38965912:48
ubot4Launchpad bug 389659 in banshee "System file queue not played correctly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38965912:48
niadhBeing a C# application why would it behave different on different architecture?12:48
Ampelbeinniadh: that was only one reason why it could still be a valid report.12:50
niadhFair enough, I didn't mean to sound as if it I was saying you were wrong, just curious12:51
Ampelbeinniadh: no offense taken ;-)12:51
dupondjelol :D12:53
ubot4Launchpad bug 392081 in evolution "I've received yesterday a message with date of today !" [Undecided,New]12:53
dupondjefunny one12:53
niadhShould I mark this bug as incomplete then?12:55
Ampelbeinniadh: I'd ask to test with a daily live-cd and set status to incomplete, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Needing%20testing%20in%20the%20development%20release12:58
niadhokies, cool12:59
seb128niadh, rather than testing on a CD ask for a screenshot and a copy of the message to see if that's due to the email13:01
dupondjehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/376065 <- chinese language = incomplete ? :P13:02
ubot4Launchpad bug 376065 in evolution "issue 1  email problem with evolution the sent and sent and receive  position does not operate the message saying the gnome pilot seems to be not installed , then the issue 2 is during  the software update there is a message saying E: dpkg is interupted " [Undecided,New]13:02
niadhto see if what's due to the email?13:02
Ampelbeinseb128: i was suggesting to ask for bug 389659, not the evolution one.13:04
ubot4Launchpad bug 389659 in banshee "System file queue not played correctly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38965913:04
seb128Ampelbein, ah ok, I joined the channel after that one13:04
niadhThere's a single stand alone bug in todays bug day list a patch has been written, it's been confirmed by a user or two but a comment states it's been fixed upstream, I'm not quite sure what to do13:17
niadhit's bug: 33869513:17
pedro_bug 33869513:17
ubot4Launchpad bug 338695 in banshee "Banshee album art is blurred in notification bubbles" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33869513:17
pedro_niadh: the patch is for banshee 1.4.3 but that's a small detail and doesn't qualify as an SRU13:21
pedro_niadh: Stable Release Updates : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates13:21
niadhAh security fix13:22
pedro_niadh: and it's fixed on 1.5.0 anyways but that version is still not available on karmic13:23
pedro_niadh: just add a comment with that information and mark the bug as triaged (lightgreen) on the hug day page13:23
niadhBut it IS fixed so it can be marked off the list anyway because there is a confirmed fix?13:23
pedro_niadh: yeap13:23
pedro_niadh: thanks for the help :-)13:24
niadhYour welcome, been working on my thesis all this academic year, felt bad I couldn't do any bug stuff13:24
niadhIf a bug has been attached to an upstream bug do I can't mark it as confirmed even if I have the bug happen to me can I? I have to wait for upstream, right?13:32
pedro_niadh: if a bug was sent upstream you can mark it as confirmed yes, please do also check if the upstream report contains all the information available on the ubuntu report, such reports should be marked as triaged if you don't have the rights to do so, just ask here in the channel for someone to do it for you13:36
niadhit has been marked as triged I believe, its bug 253785 if you are interested13:38
ubot4Launchpad bug 253785 in exaile "Apps can't sync with Rockbox" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25378513:38
pedro_niadh: ah yeap i was just looking that13:39
pedro_niadh: the bug that was linked into the banshee tasks was wrong it was the same as the rhythmbox one btw13:39
niadhAh, I'll let you deal with it then since you'll know more13:39
pedro_niadh: i've just looked on the upstream bts and link that one13:39
niadhis that is more or less done with then?13:40
pedro_niadh: yeap, I've just marked it as triaged so we're done with it13:41
niadhThis bug: 340401 am pretty sure it's a limitation of gtk not banshee, I didn't think the folder select widget in GTK allowed you to select multiple folders, or am I wrong?13:45
pedro_bug 34040113:46
ubot4Launchpad bug 340401 in banshee "Import from Local Folder should allow you to select more than one folder to import from" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34040113:46
pedro_niadh: you can set that property on the gtkfilechooser, it's just a matter to the banshee import dialog to set that13:54
pedro_niadh: may you send that upstream?13:54
niadhI could do if you think we should?13:55
pedro_niadh: instructions on how to do it are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream/GNOME13:55
pedro_niadh: yeap it's a valid enhancement request13:55
niadhcan also use this time to bring this bug to peoples attention: 272161 it's not one I personally suffer from but one I know lots of my friends have13:58
niadhI submitted it quite some time ago and it's not seen much attention since13:58
yofelhey, any vim users here that could confirm bug 392086 ?14:09
ubot4Launchpad bug 392086 in vim "[karmic] vim-7.2.148-2ubuntu2 - broken regexp in debchangelog.vim" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39208614:09
niadhpedro_: I'm not actually sure how to upstream something14:12
niadhDo I need to create a new upstream bug or something?14:12
pedro_niadh: yes sr14:12
pedro_niadh: you need to create an account there if you don't have one already and create a new bug on the product you're forwarding to in this case banshee14:12
pedro_niadh: if you want to, just create the account and i'd help you trough the process14:13
niadhOk, am pretty sure I have a bugzilla acount, but will check14:13
niadhpedro_: am into bugzilla14:16
pedro_niadh: super, before sending one bug there we need to look if there's one reported already14:18
pedro_niadh: just click on the search link at the top of the bugzilla page14:18
pedro_it will lead you to a page that says: Short Bug Search Form14:18
pedro_ok so we only want to search on the banshee bugs so we use something like:14:19
pedro_product:banshee keywords14:19
pedro_when keywords are the ones we want to search for there14:19
pedro_with "product:banshee" we are just searching on that product and not in the whole bugzilla database14:19
pedro_which will take much more  longer14:20
niadhthere doesn't appear to be a bug similar to this one already in bugzilla14:20
pedro_niadh: ok let's report a new one then, click on New bug on the top left of the page14:21
niadhso it's either a usablity bug or feature14:22
pedro_or here: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi14:22
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pedro_niadh: seems more like a feature request to me but not an usability issue14:23
niadhI thought feature but I just thought it might be argued it could be a usablity one14:23
pedro_niadh: well you can add a keyword for that in you think it's an usability issue14:23
pedro_niadh: let's fill the report first14:24
niadhNah feature is fine14:24
niadhBanshee is listed in other applications so I found14:24
pedro_http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=banshee <-14:24
niadhimporting looks like a good tag14:24
pedro_select the right component, version and severity14:25
pedro_component in this case is : importing14:25
niadhversion well should i put latest or git-master?14:25
pedro_severity: enhancement14:25
pedro_niadh: yeap it's still an issue with it so yes14:25
pedro_git-master is ok14:26
niadhcopy and paste the bug details from lp into bz?14:26
pedro_niadh: yes, and copy the relevant comments if there's one14:26
pedro_and also a link to the bug on lp14:26
niadhnot sure many of the comments are relevant14:27
niadhseem to discuss english language specific meaning rather than bug details14:28
pedro_after doing all that and submitted the bug, you need to create a bug watch on the lp report: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Watches14:28
pedro_niadh: yeap14:28
niadhso it's an also affects this project tag?14:29
pedro_niadh: what do you mean?14:30
niadhwell when I link the upstream bug14:31
niadhI presume it's that it affects the project not distro?14:31
pedro_niadh: yeap you need to click on the also affects project and put the link of the upstream one you reported there14:31
niadhThought so :)14:32
pedro_nice :-)14:32
pedro_niadh: after doing that, just put a nice comment on the report  saying that you sent the bug upstream and also add a link to that report14:33
pedro_then you can mark it as confirmed and i'll add the wishlist importance and set it to triaged for you14:33
niadhDo I wait for the upstream project to confirm the bug in their system and confirm the first instance of reporting in lp?14:34
pedro_niadh: yes14:35
pedro_niadh: don't forget to put a link to the report on lp at the upstream one14:35
niadhso link to downstream from upstream?14:35
pedro_niadh: yeah, so they can read about it as well, just add a new comment there saying something like "this report was first filed here: link"14:36
xteejxQuestion: As a triager, if I am using Ubuntu and GNOME, with KDE crashes/bugs etc, is it a problem asking them to try and reproduce it in a later version, as I can't do it. ?14:37
xteejxwith me using gnome and them KDE, I kno i can install kubuntu-desktop but I dont have the space14:38
pedro_xteejx: well i often triage bugs of software i can test with, but would be good to ask them to reproduce it with newer release (ie: Jaunty) if nobody else asked that already14:42
yuriyxteejx: it's not really a problem, but it's probably better if you work on bugs for software you are familiar with and can test14:43
xteejxof course guys, but theyre the really old ones, i tend to work back to front :)14:43
xteejxand dont have kubuntu14:43
pedro_you can always try with a live cd btw ;-)14:43
yuriyif they're really old, then please ask14:43
xteejxmind if i give an example?14:44
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xteejxKDE 3.5 on feisty for instance.....KDE4 and jaunty > user has same problem, they may be using an old version. I use Ubuntu and gnome and do not have the space to install kubuntu-desktop, will i get shouted at by mr murray if i simply ask them to update and try again?14:45
pedro_niadh: i've marked the bug as triaged-wishlist for you, feel free to mark it as close on the hug day page :-)14:45
niadhI have done :)14:45
pedro_rock on !14:46
xteejxps pedro, thanks for closing all them incomplete bugs recently for me :)14:46
pedro_now you know how to forward a bug upstream ;-)14:46
* pedro_ hugs niadh14:46
niadhI do yes :D14:46
pedro_xteejx: my pleasure ;-)14:46
xteejxcan i have a hug as well...just for being a bug control member? heh14:46
yuriyxteejx: if it's feisty then certainly ask. feisyt isn't even supported anymore14:47
* pedro_ hugs xteejx14:47
niadhI'm actually going into business for myself soon, hoping at least either tuesday or thursdays I can dedicate to triaging bugs, since I wanna support ubuntu for customers14:47
xteejxyayy!! lol14:47
pedro_niadh: awesome, if you have further questions just ask here in the channel , there's always people willing to help :-)14:48
xteejxyuriy, its a problem in jaunty as well and version differences between their version and current is like 1.1 to 1.1-0ubuntu5 or something, so i have asked them to update :)14:48
niadhthis bug: 342465 claims to have a fix and I can see the star outlines using a dark theme14:49
xteejxbug 34246514:50
ubot4Launchpad bug 342465 in banshee "Rating Menu Item not Shown Properly on Themes with Darks Menus" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34246514:50
xteejxniadh, perhaps it was fixed in latest dev release of gnome, but not in our repos yet14:51
niadhNah I tested it in the PPA 1.5 version of banshee I can see the bug is fixed14:52
niadhIt's a confirmed bug but looks fixed so just wondering if I should just mark it off todays list14:53
niadhalso anyone have an integrated card reader on their machine?14:54
xteejxon my other laptop but its due in for repair lol14:58
niadhcos there's a bug in the list today that requires access to a non-usb card reader which I don't have access to15:00
xteejxhey bddebian16:07
xteejxbencrisford, Still alive then? hehe :)16:07
bddebianHello xteejx16:07
bencrisfordhey xteejx, and yeah, just about :)16:07
xteejxbencrisford, hehe hows ermm "work"? lol16:08
bencrisfordschools school16:08
xteejxhehe ;)16:09
xteejxi was being polite calling it work...should have said prison :P16:09
bencrisfordi dont see why its polite,16:09
bencrisfordit beats work work16:09
xteejxnahh you get paid at work work hehe16:12
xteejx!info nautilus jaunty16:12
ubot4xteejx: nautilus (source: nautilus): file manager and graphical shell for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.26.2-0ubuntu2 (jaunty), package size 1226 kB, installed size 3204 kB16:12
xteejxwhere did i go?16:21
xteejx!info kaffeine intrepid16:21
ubot4xteejx: kaffeine (source: kaffeine): versatile media player for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-2ubuntu2 (intrepid), package size 3198 kB, installed size 7116 kB16:22
niadhI have a confirmed bug that the upstream bug has been fix, do i mark as fix committed or fix released, committed, right?17:26
GrueMasterIf the fix is in the repository but not available for updates, it is committed.  If the fix is available for general updates, it is released.17:44
niadhI thought so17:49
niadhSo do I mark the launchpad instance of the bug as fix released with the gnome-bugs one as fix commited?17:49
niadhthis bug was marked for deletion 134 days ago and has not yet been deleted 21902818:17
micahgbug 21902818:18
ubot4Launchpad bug 219028 in banshee "Crash when editing smart playlist containing more/less than x years criteria" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21902818:18
micahgniadh: is this your first time triaging bugs?18:19
niadhNo, but I've not done it in about year, and when I was doing it there were somethings I haddn't actually done, this is one of them18:20
micahgok, no problem18:20
micahgjust wanted to know how much to explain  :)18:20
micahgso, the expiration is an automated count once a bug is marked incomplete18:21
micahgit doesn't necessarily mean it should be deleted18:21
niadhOh, I thought it was?18:21
micahgbut in this case, the reporter noted that the bug no longer exists in new versions18:21
micahgit just means how much time has passed since the last post in teh incomplete state18:22
micahgso, you can mark invalid with the standard comment18:22
niadhcool, thanks18:24
micahgthank you for triaging :)18:25
niadhmicahg: I have another two bugs I think I can cross off todays bug list if I just know how to do it, they both have upstream reports and both upstream reports are fix released and I am thinking I change the launch pad instance of the bug to fix commited and mark them off the list, is this correct?18:28
micahgwell, are the fixes available in a downloadable package upstream?18:30
niadhOne of them I can confirm with my computer that the bug appears to be fixed with the version I am running18:34
micahgare you running a newer version that the reporter?18:34
micahgand that version is in the ubuntu repo?18:35
niadhnope, but it's in a PPA18:35
micahgthat means it's publicly available18:35
micahgso Fix Released is fine18:36
niadhI thought so18:36
micahgI'm assuming it's a release version in a ppa and not a nightly build18:36
bdmurrayA bug fix in a PPA does not mean the bug is Fix Released18:40
micahgwell, that's why I was asking if it was an actual release or not18:40
micahgI caught myself after I said it18:41
micahgping niadh18:42
niadhAm here, yes18:42
niadhDo I need to change something18:42
micahgdid you catch my second remark?18:42
micahgI wanted to verify the ppa version was a release version upstrema18:42
bdmurrayThe ubuntu bug task should only be fixed released if it is fixed in the official ubuntu package18:42
micahgbdmurray: that's not what the wiki says18:42
niadhChange fix released to fix commited then?18:43
micahgI was wondering about that18:43
micahgbdmurray: Fix Released: For a bug task about upstream projects: a release tarball was announced and is publicly available18:43
bdmurrayso if a bug has two tasks and one is empathy and one is empathy (ubuntu).  the emapthy one could be fix released and the ubuntu one not18:44
niadhAm sure banshee 1.5 is a marked release and can be downloaded publically well yes 1.5 is also known as 1.6 beta 118:44
bdmurrayniadh: Do you have a bug report we can look at?18:45
micahgok, so I guess I was unclear on how that worked than18:45
niadhI have both yes18:45
niadh342465 and 32682718:45
bdmurraymicahg: Do you have any ideas on how I can clarify the language?18:45
savvasbug #342465 bug #32682718:46
ubot4Launchpad bug 342465 in banshee "Rating Menu Item not Shown Properly on Themes with Darks Menus" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34246518:46
ubot4Launchpad bug 326827 in banshee "Podcasts downloading can't be finished" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32682718:46
micahgbdmurray: maybe just add a note that the Ubuntu task should stay triaged until a maintainer adds teh fix?18:46
micahgor the new release is avaialable in an ubuntu repo18:46
micahgI thought it was referring to UPstream vs Ubuntu bugs18:47
bdmurraymicahg: okay, I'll poke at it some today18:47
micahgnow I see the word task staring at me :)18:47
bdmurrayI think I'll do something like "Upstream task - ..."18:47
bdmurrayand then "Ubuntu task - ...."18:47
micahgyes bdmurray, sounds good to me :)18:48
niadhSo the bugs need to be marked as something else?18:49
micahgIt should be marked triaged until someone commits it to an ubuntu repo18:50
micahgright bdmurray?18:51
micahgthe fix is in the banshee changelog for 1.518:51
micahgand we have 1.4.3-5 in karmic18:51
bdmurrayright, but the comment about which version of Banshee to watch for the fix in is quite helpful18:51
hggdhbdmurray, I opened bug 391623 for the apport hook18:52
ubot4Launchpad bug 391623 in evolution "apport hook for Evolution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39162318:52
micahgniadh: does this bug prevent the app from working?18:53
niadhWhich bug did you mean, the podcast one or the dark menu thing?18:53
niadhnot stop the application as a whole from working but it's a broken key feature that shipped with a release version packaged for Ubuntu18:54
micahghggdh: is banshee a core app in Ubuntu?18:56
savvas     1.4.3-3ubuntu2 018:56
savvas        500 http://rs.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages18:56
hggdhmicahg, I do not think so18:56
savvasuniverse means it's not18:56
micahgso core is defined as main18:57
savvasI think there are talks to be installed by default.. but they are still just talks :)18:57
hggdhif it is core, it must be in main18:57
micahgok :)18:57
micahgniadh: I marked the podcast bug triaged, you can close it for bugday18:57
micahgthank you18:58
niadhwell yeah it's not installed by default but it still shipped broken18:58
niadhI have another question18:58
niadhIf a bug has been marked as importance18:58
niadhas a wishlist18:58
niadhwhat do I do18:58
niadhIf the bug is also marked as 'new' as well18:59
micahgwell, if it's an upstream request, you can try to find it upstream in teh bugtracker18:59
niadhI could confirm it, but by what critieria? The reporter can confirm he wants the feature?18:59
micahgniadh: reporters cannot confirm their own bugs18:59
micahgniadh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status19:00
micahgyou can confirm if you feel it's a valid request19:00
yofelhey, any vim users here that could confirm bug 392086 ?19:00
ubot4Launchpad bug 392086 in vim "[karmic] vim-7.2.148-2ubuntu2 - broken regexp in debchangelog.vim" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39208619:00
niadhI can see where it might be useful, not sure I'd ever use it but I can see it's validity so confirm it, mark it off, move on?19:01
micahgniadh: do you have a bug #19:04
micahgbug 23768719:05
ubot4Launchpad bug 237687 in banshee "pause playback on screen lock" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23768719:05
micahgniadh: I'd say check upstream for a similar request19:06
niadhfair enough19:06
micahgif there isn't one, you can file one and add it to the report19:06
micahgthen someone in here can marked it traiged19:06
niadhright, I can do that19:06
niadhAnd for bugs marked as incomplete which I cannot confirm because the bugs don't occur when I follow the reproduction steps?19:07
micahgniadh: only bug control can mark triaged19:08
niadhfair enough, is it worth me posting I cannot confirm?19:08
hggdhyofel, would you mind attaching a diff to your change?19:08
bdmurrayYes, and please include information about the specific package version you used for testing19:09
micahgsorry, I've got to get going, can someone else take over please :)19:09
niadhbdmurray: I can do that :)19:10
niadham kinda stuck on this bug 342463 not sure how to continue with it19:29
ubot4Launchpad bug 342463 in banshee "Wrong Cursor Icon It's Shown On Last.fm LogIn Dialog" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34246319:29
pedro_niadh: looking19:43
pedro_niadh: i'm still getting that with git master version19:49
pedro_niadh: there's some code in banshee for creating that button and it seems to call the right cursor type19:49
pedro_private static Gdk.Cursor hand_cursor = new Gdk.Cursor(Gdk.CursorType.Hand1);19:50
pedro_niadh: would be good to have some upstream eyes on it ,could you send it upstream?19:50
pedro_i'm not 100% sure that it's a gtk# issue19:51
niadhI could yeah20:07
niadhpedro_: Just report it upstream, that's all that's needing done?20:09
pedro_niadh: in that case yeah, then we can mark it as triaged for you20:10
pedro_it's a really small detail though so the severity on the upstream report should be something like "Trivial"20:11
niadhpedro_: Was gonna ask how it should be marked ;)20:12
niadhfeature or usability?20:12
pedro_niadh: none of them, it's just a normal issue20:13
pedro_feature is more when you're requesting something new to be included in the program like youtube video support on banshee for example20:14
niadhNormal: The application is not functioning correctly.20:14
niadhI didn't know that the bug fell under that catagory20:15
pedro_niadh: Trivial is the right severity there20:15
niadhin the gnome bugzilla trivial isn't an option20:15
pedro_niadh: file it as normal if you want to and i change the severity for you20:16
niadhAh okies20:16
pedro_Trivial: Cosmetic problem like misspelled words or misaligned text.20:16
pedro_which is what we're talking about here20:16
niadhCosmetic issue?20:16
niadhgot it20:16
niadhDo I need to confirm the bug to link it upstream?20:21
pedro_niadh: if you sent it upstream, yes the bug on lp should be confirmed20:24
niadhcool, did wonder why I couldn't link upstream20:35
niadhbug crossed off20:38
pedro_niadh: great, just marked it as Triaged and Importance as Low since as said it's just a cosmetic detail20:38
niadhpedro_: What do I do with bug 35532320:39
ubot4Launchpad bug 355323 in banshee "Banshee needs to depend on gstreamer0.10-alsa" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35532320:39
pedro_niadh: feel free to mark it as closed on the wiki,  Thanks for helping out :-))20:39
niadhpedro_: Every time I sort a bug out I deal with it on the wiki20:40
pedro_niadh: the dependency is already there on the karmic package, you can mark that bug as fixed20:46
pedro_niadh: just state that on the comment20:46
niadhok, thanks20:46
niadhwhich fixed? Released or commited?20:47
pedro_niadh: the package containing the fix is already on the repositories, so fix released20:48
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niadhdo we support bugs in the bug tracker for PPC architecture?21:15
micahgbdmurray: ^^^^21:17
bdmurrayMost likely what bug is it?21:18
niadhbug 37861321:19
ubot4Launchpad bug 378613 in banshee "banshee won't start on Jaunty powerpc (Mono.Data.SQLiteClient exception thrown)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37861321:19
niadhlooks like it was created on a development branch of ubuntu though21:22
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bdmurraythat package version is the final one for jaunty though21:23
BUGabundohi everuone21:23
niadhI mean in the log it says [jaunty (development version)]21:24
bdmurrayniadh: okay, but later they say "banshee is at version 1.4.3-3ubuntu2" which is the official banshee one for jaunty21:25
bdmurrayI think the bug is in a fine state21:25
niadhI don't think it's a banshee bug, I think it's a bug in the dll that banshee links to21:25
micahgbdmurray: you got a minute to talk about milestones?21:26
bdmurrayniadh: ppc is a best effort support if I recall correctly, but that doesn't mean it should be won't fix21:28
niadhYeah it's not officially supported so I didn't know if we dealt with ppc bugs21:28
bdmurraymicahg: okay21:29
micahgso, with my new found knowledge of Status, once upstream fixes teh bug, do I change the milestone to whenever I would expect the package to enter ubuntu?21:30
bdmurrayNo milestones are for indicating that something needs to be fixed by a certain time21:31
micahgso it's a dealine type of thing21:31
micahgdo we have documentation on that?21:31
niadhcould bug 381555 be a matter of installing a lame package?21:32
ubot4Launchpad bug 381555 in banshee "banshee does not transcode oga to mp3 when sending to ipod" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38155521:32
micahgbdmurray: so milestones are only for bugs with nominations that have been accepted?21:35
BUGabundohey kristina21:35
BUGabundohi micahg bdmurray torkiano21:35
torkianoBUGabundo, hola ;)21:36
bdmurraymicahg: or "developers may use milestone targeting to indicate an intention to deliver the fix for the bug in time for that milestone"21:37
micahgbdmurray: so, as a triager, do I need to be setting these?21:38
bdmurraymicahg: Nope21:39
hggdhnormally no, micahg21:39
micahgthanks :)21:39
hggdhbut there are nominations, that a triager can put in21:39
hggdh(with a lot of good sense)21:40
micahghe's my query21:40
BUGabundohey hggdh21:40
hggdhhey BUGabundo good evening21:40
micahgif I see that it's fix released and in debian, but not Ubuntu, what is the normal course of action?21:40
micahgfix released upstream21:41
hggdhwell. It may be fix released upstream, but still in (say) git21:41
micahghggdh: wouldn't that be Fix Commited upstream?21:41
hggdhi.e., upstream has not yet delivered a disgtribution21:41
hggdhno. Usually upstream will consider fix released when it is in the source code control system they use21:42
micahgI guess that brings up anotehr question21:42
micahgor maybe not21:42
hggdhfor example, gnome -- we have a new version every 6 months, and interin versions in between (for both stable and unstable code)21:42
micahglet's assume that it's an actual release21:43
micahgso, if I see it in debian, but not in ubuntu, do I need to do anything?21:43
micahgassuming after import freeze?21:44
hggdhit depends. If it is a crasher issue, then you could propose an SRU for it21:44
hggdhheh. Hold on -- there is *stable* code, and *development* code. Which are you talking about?21:45
micahglet's say it's not, and it's the development version21:45
micahgstable code21:45
micahgrelease version of upstream21:45
micahgnot in ubuntu devel version21:45
micahgbut in debian unstable21:45
hggdhfor stable and supported code, an upstream fix may be accepted as a SRU21:45
hggdhfor development code, if it is after a the final freeze, it will not be accepted unless it is a critical issue21:46
niadhwhat package is it that converts ogg files to mp3 inside banshee?21:46
hggdhwhile in normal development, either a sync/merge will do; if sync/merges are done and gone, then you can cherry-pick and propose a debdiff21:47
micahgok, thanks hggdh22:04
hggdhmicahg, so we will only go to fix committed/released when the upstream fix is applied in -proposed or -update22:13
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micahgIt's nice to know that hggdh :)22:19
niadhon the bug day wiki, if a confirmed bug needs to be checked to see if it's still an issue, I presume it's fine to check it off if the bug was actually confirmed as a bug only 8 days ago?22:26
micahgniadh: the next step would be to make sure that it's upstream22:27
micahgif it needs to be22:27
niadhit's a jaunty regression, or has claimed to have been22:27
niadhbug 33707522:28
ubot4Launchpad bug 337075 in banshee "[jaunty regression] transcoding flac to mp3 for ipod no longer works" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33707522:28
niadhbut with three bugs left on the wiki page I thought I'd see if I can't actually finish the list22:28
micahgIf it's indeed a banshee bug, I'd check upstream to see if it's noted as a regression in that version22:30
micahgniadh: can you test an intrepid LiveCD to see if that bevavior previously existed?22:32
niadhNo, I don't have a working iPod22:33
micahgniadh: I'd still suggest searching upstream for something relatesd22:34
niadhI already have done22:34
micahgok, nothing?22:34
niadhNothing :(22:34
micahgdid you check resolved bugs as well?22:34
niadhI put a search in with 'banshee transcode flac mp3' and only got one bug which was to do with coverart size22:36
micahgtry banshee ipod transcode or comething like that22:37
niadhnope nothing22:39
micahgis there a banshee irc channel?22:40
micahgI'd say jump in there and see if that behavior existed previously22:40
niadhWell I'll do that when I get back then22:40
micahgthanks niadh22:41
micahgniadh: there seem to be 2 bugs for this22:42
micahgbug 381555 and bug 33707522:43
ubot4Launchpad bug 381555 in banshee "banshee does not transcode oga to mp3 when sending to ipod" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38155522:43
ubot4Launchpad bug 337075 in banshee "[jaunty regression] transcoding flac to mp3 for ipod no longer works" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33707522:43
micahgor at least similar22:43
niadhthey're similar yeah but not sure if they are duplicates, one user maintains they could once transcode the other has never been able to22:44
niadhboth I believe are on amd64 arch22:44
micahgah, ok22:44
niadhI have found amd64 and ppc to be bad archs if you want mono libraries22:44
niadhback in about 20-30 min22:45
micahgIs there anything special for CVE bugs?23:25
bdmurraymicahg: someone on the security team like kees could best answer that23:26
micahgping kees23:26
jdstrandmicahg: just click the security check box and use the Link to CVE functionality in launchpad23:29
micahgdidn't know that was ther23:29
micahgis that available to everyone?23:29
micahgis that after I create the report?23:29
jdstrandafter creating the report23:29
micahgwhat type of summary do I need if any?23:30
jdstrandthough, iirc, if you have CVE-2009-xxxx in the report, it may automatically link it23:30
jdstrandmicahg: a link to the patch or another vendor's advisory is nice if it exists23:30
jdstrandotherwise, just the CVE summary is fine23:30
micahgjdstrand: if it's public on phpmyadmin.net, I don't need to mark private, right?23:31
jdstrandmicahg: correct23:32
jdstrandmicahg: since you just mentioned a universe package, I might also point out the universe is community supported. if you are able, supplying a debdiff by following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures would be great23:33
jdstrands/out the/out that/23:33
micahgok, but I won't be able to get to that for a little while23:34
jdstrandmicahg: any help is appreciated :)23:34
micahgIf upstream markes as critical, does that impact importance in Ubuntu23:35
jdstrandif it is in main, we prioritize based on criticality23:35
micahgI'm saying do I mirror the upstream importance or do I rate it based on the Ubuntu criteria?23:36
jdstranduniverse is supported by community members. as such, things get fixed as much as people want to fix stuff23:36
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jdstrandmicahg: sure, that is a fine place to start-- it can be adjusted if needed23:36

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