[06:59] <ilyaraz> ping
[21:37]  * emmajane waves
[21:37] <newz2000> hi emmajane
[21:37] <emmajane> newz2000, hey :)
[21:38] <emmajane> so. rich text editing is ... t e h s u c k
[21:38] <newz2000> yes
[21:38] <newz2000> the best results I've had are starting in the wysiwyg or copying from the wiki
[21:38] <newz2000> copying from OOo is never pleasant
[21:38] <emmajane> I tried just about every sane variation last night and for some reason Moodle + Tiny is munging embedded styles on resave.
[21:38] <emmajane> newz2000, Oh I'm definitely *not* copying from OOo. :)
[21:38] <dinda> btw - emma meet newz2000, newz2000 meet emma
[21:38] <emmajane> newz2000, there's not enough Scotch in the world for me to do that.
[21:39] <emmajane> :)
[21:39] <newz2000> people wonder why it takes me 2 hours to publish a press release
[21:39] <newz2000> ;-)
[21:39] <emmajane> I'm doing OOo -> HTML -> vim cleanup -> Moodle.
[21:40] <newz2000> ok, so you have normal, simple html and it's getting converted to entities when you edit it (after having been previously saved)?
[21:40] <emmajane> I'm pasting in HTML as "source" (Tiny editor turned off).
[21:40] <emmajane> which is fine until you want to edit the page. And then it converts all of the embedded <style> stuff into HTML entities and it all disappears which makes the baby jesus cry.
[21:40] <newz2000> oh, ok, so you have styles that are being escaped
[21:40] <emmajane> yup
[21:41] <emmajane> they still don't show up, they're just converted (adn still hidden)
[21:41] <newz2000> so one solution would be to pull them out and link to them
[21:41] <emmajane> i.e. they're not showing up as displayed <style> tags with < converted to &gt;
[21:41] <emmajane> global styles would be lovely.
[21:41] <emmajane> the problem with "pulling them out" is that there's no way for me to link to an external style sheet from within the resource.
[21:42] <emmajane> it'd have to be set with a powerful fist than what I've got. :)
[21:43] <newz2000> let me confer with someone real quick
[21:43] <emmajane> as best I can tell it would be safe to do .generalcontentbox h1 (h2, h3, h4) styles
[21:43] <newz2000> are these styles applicable to the whole site or just your material?
[21:44] <dinda> whole site meaning just moodle?
[21:44] <emmajane> in theory I am following a style guide that should be applied to all courses.
[21:44] <newz2000> ok
[21:44] <dinda> not elearning courses though
[21:44] <dinda> changes *could* affect server course - though i doubt it
[21:45] <emmajane> OH
[21:45] <dinda> and desktop course is nothing more swf files
[21:45] <emmajane> check it out. Moodle rocks.
[21:45] <newz2000> haven't heard that before
[21:45] <emmajane> body.course-24 .generalcontentbox h1 will match only me
[21:45] <dinda> we would have to test on the test server first
[21:45] <emmajane> 24 == course id
[21:45] <newz2000> oh, slick
[21:45] <emmajane> you'll have to update the style each time the course id changes.
[21:45] <emmajane> see? sometimes moodle gets it right :)
[21:46] <newz2000> ok, so what you're proposing is an addition to the moodle theme
[21:46] <newz2000> which I can do
[21:46] <emmajane> awesome!
[21:46] <dinda> woohoo
[21:46] <emmajane> s/generalcontentbox/generalboxcontent/
[21:47] <newz2000> emmajane: if you just email me the changes you want applied I can merge them into the theme. We have a team that reviews these but they're very efficient so I'd expect it to go through with little effort, providing your code is good. :-)
[21:47] <newz2000> matthew.nuzum@canonical.com
[21:49] <dinda> newz2000: will you do that on the test server?
[21:49] <newz2000> oh, sure
[21:49] <newz2000> let me make sure I know where it is, just a sec
[21:49] <dinda> http://moodlez.ubunut.com/moodle
[21:49] <newz2000> ok, got it
[21:49] <dinda> stuart's playground
[21:50] <newz2000> stuart would be the one to review my changes
[21:50] <dinda> excellent
[21:51] <dinda> what about other RT requests on the server?  do you know who I talk to about status of requests?
[21:51] <emmajane> newz2000, cool, thanks.
[21:51] <newz2000> dinda: regarding moodlez it's stuart I believe
[21:53] <dinda> thanks for your help newz2000!
[21:54] <newz2000> my pleasure
[21:54] <newz2000> If I might ask for a little help in return...
[21:54] <newz2000> would you tell me a website that you, as a woman, enjoy visiting?
[21:54] <emmajane> I'm just peaking at http://moodlez.ubunut.com/moodle/theme/standard/styles.php. I'm not sure which style sheet you'd actually merge it into.
[21:54] <newz2000> emmajane: just send me your rules
[21:54] <newz2000> they're organized neatly on the server and moodle combines them
[21:55] <emmajane> kay
[21:55] <emmajane> newz2000, that seems like a question that has an ulterior motive... :)
[21:55] <newz2000> yes, I'm trying to learn the difference between sites that women like and sites that men think they like
[21:56] <dinda> newz2000: i'm pretty atypical - my fav sites are news, local papers and Drudge
[21:56] <newz2000> that's OK. There are a lot of atypical women I suspect.
[21:56] <emmajane> newz2000, heh.
[21:56] <emmajane> newz2000, I like sites that don't get in my way.
[21:57] <newz2000> so except facebook I'm happy to look at any site that you like
[21:57] <dinda> chron.com  galvnews.com
[21:57] <emmajane> clean. easily scanned. and ... obvious?
[21:57] <newz2000> I knew it. All this pink stuff is just crap
[21:57] <emmajane> yes. :)
[21:58] <emmajane> Unless you're asking myrtti or hypa7iz
[21:58] <emmajane> hypa7ia
[21:58] <emmajane> they like pink. i know it's shocking... but not all women are the same.
[21:58] <dinda> it totally is newz2000
[21:58] <dinda> blue is my favorite and purple some too
[21:58] <emmajane> blue == drupal == win
[21:59] <dinda> this is an awesome site too:  http://www.writingopensource.com/
[22:00] <emmajane> http://www.designbygrid.com/
[22:00] <emmajane> http://www.ministryoftype.co.uk/words/article/constructing_the_grid/ <--- I have a crush on grids.
[22:00] <emmajane> dinda, now with more mammoths!!
[22:00] <dinda> emmajane: I see that! and is that brown?
[22:00] <emmajane> aye
[22:00] <emmajane> picked by a *girl* no less! (it's addi's theme)
[22:01] <newz2000> emmajane: 960 or blueprint?
[22:01]  * emmajane goes back to writing styles.
[22:01] <emmajane> newz2000, 960 because it had better resources first.
[22:01] <emmajane> newz2000, have you played with their gridoverlay bookmark?
[22:01] <emmajane> made. of. win.
[22:02] <newz2000> no
[22:02] <emmajane> http://gridder.andreehansson.se/
[22:02] <newz2000> only recently tried out 960
[22:02] <emmajane> it overlays a grid onto any web page you're currently looking at.
[22:02] <newz2000> interesting
[22:02] <emmajane> mark boulton used blueprint for the d.o redesign.
[22:03] <newz2000> I used 960 for ubuntu.com's latest rev (based on the ninesixty drupal base theme)
[22:03] <emmajane> nice.
[22:04] <emmajane> you using D6 yet, or still D5?
[22:04] <newz2000> I like it's grid but I like that blueprint can be easily adjusted for diff widths
[22:04] <newz2000> D6 as of this spring
[22:04] <emmajane> nice.
[22:05] <newz2000> waiting for D7
[22:05] <newz2000> hoping nice ux stuff makes it in
[22:05] <emmajane> hoping it doesn't get bike shedded. :/
[22:06] <newz2000> me too
[22:16] <emmajane> Arial Unicorn MS != Arial Unicode MS
[22:16] <emmajane> must read ALL the words as they are written.
[22:21] <emmajane> newz2000, updated styles sent.
[22:21] <emmajane> newz2000, thanks again for taking care of this. I really appreciate it.
[22:21] <newz2000> happy to help
[22:22] <emmajane> newz2000, one other question: do you know if you can change the resource type in Moodle after something has been uploaded? I'm assuming it's like Drupal where you /can/ do it by hand (change the content type) but you shouldn't really.