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[06:46] <macvr> is anyone having problems with launchpad?
[09:27] <lamalex> does being awesome count as a problem
[10:21] <macvr> lamalex: from  earlier: " An appserver is broken, so 1/8 requests fail after a minute."
[10:22] <macvr> that was from #launchapd^
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[11:58]  * MacSlow -> lunch
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=== mat_t changed the topic of #ayatana to: https://edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/karmic ? every fix is a small victory...
=== mat_t changed the topic of #ayatana to: https://edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/karmic - every fix is a small victory...
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[15:05] <macvr> djsiegel_: coudl you edit the wiki, to add that hardware specific issues are not part of the papercuts?
[15:05] <macvr> could^
[15:05] <djsiegel_> well, harware specific issues are usually not easy to fix, and do not affect most users
[15:05] <djsiegel_> you need more reason than that?
[15:05] <djsiegel_> or just a specific mention?
[15:05] <macvr> just a mention in the wiki...
[15:06] <macvr> people have reported , webcam/graphics/audio cards!
[15:06] <macvr> just increases the workload :(
[15:07] <macvr> djsiegel_: they just add that this has affected several users in ubuntuforums!
[15:07] <djsiegel_> oh come on
[15:08] <djsiegel_> just say, this does not afect the average user because the average user doesn't have your webcam/graphics/audiocard
[15:08] <macvr> that is a common line in most of the descriptions 
[15:08] <macvr> i just mention that since its hardware specific , its not papercut
[15:09] <lamalex> i think the problem is that people dont know what usability means
[15:09] <lamalex> "i use it, so it's usability"
[15:09] <macvr> ^ +!
[15:09] <lamalex> "my webcam doesnt work- i can't use it! it's not usable!
[15:11] <macvr> there are so many of those... some even add, "since i'v seen this initiative , i think this is my only chance" ... i feel bad to invalidate those :(
[15:25] <ScottK> Fundamentally there is a lot more stuff broken than we have developers, so most of these issues don't get dealt with.  Generally the best we can do is upstream the bug and hope they deal with it.
[16:33] <macvr> djsiegel_: what previous bug is he talking about? https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/388546
[16:34] <djsiegel_> macvr:  ignore Kirk Fraser
[16:34] <macvr> quite a friendly guy :p
[16:35] <djsiegel_> macvr: he is not an Ubuntu user, he is a troll, and I am pretty sure he spam filters all launchpad email
[17:12] <SiDi> MacSlow: ping ?
[17:12] <MacSlow> SiDi, hey what's up?
[17:12] <SiDi> fine
[17:12] <SiDi> I wanted to ask you, when will we actually be able to change notify-osd's colours ?
[17:12] <SiDi> there are users that complain because they _cant_ read white on black
[17:14] <MacSlow> SiDi, you have to get that to the design folks... not me
[17:14] <SiDi> oh
[17:14] <SiDi> hm who is it again ? :P
[17:15] <MacSlow> SiDi, e.g. mat_t, djsiegel_, mpt, ivanka
[17:15] <SiDi> okey
[17:15] <SiDi> but is there any restriction in the moment that would prevent it ?
[17:15] <SiDi> is it easy for you to implement theming in notify-osd ?
[17:15] <MacSlow> no
[17:15] <MacSlow> theming is never easy
[17:16] <artir> this is awesome-> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/KarmicBootExperienceDesignSpec
[17:16] <artir> :)
[17:16] <MacSlow> SiDi, side-effects are numerous
[17:16] <MacSlow> SiDi, the more freedom you want in theming the more complex it gets to implement that
[17:17] <SiDi> MacSlow: what side effects should be expected if we just allow picking a different bg and text colour ? not changing the size / font / style, just colors ?
[17:17] <SiDi> apart from cleverasses choosing grey on grey, of course
[17:17] <MacSlow> SiDi, very briefly I wanted to do notify-osd in pure gtk, but that did not allow the flexibility needed to implement all the spacing and layout requirements from the spec
[17:18] <MacSlow> SiDi, _if_ it would only be that it would be easy... just add two additional gconf-keys
[17:18] <MacSlow> SiDi, but then you introduce headaches in the update/upgrade migration process
[17:18] <SiDi> MacSlow: thats what i'm asking for. There are people who have visual defficiencies and who suffer from reading on black backgrounds
[17:19] <MacSlow> SiDi, it's not really my decision
[17:19] <SiDi> I understand that
[17:19] <SiDi> i'll mail ayatana then about this issue
[17:19] <MacSlow> SiDi, best approach for sure
[19:03] <macvr> djsiegel_: hi... busy?
[19:31] <djsiegel_> macvr: what's up?
[19:31] <djsiegel_> just got back from lunch
[19:32] <macvr> djsiegel_: nothing much but... i wanted your opinion on this> https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/367626 < be warned it is something i had filed 
[19:33] <macvr> i found the same behavior in Karmic exists, hibernate doesnt ask for confirmation still!
[19:33] <djsiegel_> hmm
[19:34] <djsiegel_> well, the argument is that hibernate is non-destructive, Ibet
[19:34] <macvr> shall i nuke it?
[20:52] <rgreening> kwwii: ping
[21:41] <kwwii> rgreening: pong
[21:42] <rgreening> hey man. Want to help create an appropriate icon for usb-creator-kde?
[21:42] <kwwii> rgreening: sure, I imagine I can help...I made the oxygen usb device icon as well :p
[21:43] <rgreening> kwwii: here's the original gtk one: http://imagebin.ca/view/9qaxEYqp.html
[21:43] <kwwii> rgreening: in fact, I am giving a chat on making an oxygen icon sunday night, perhaps I could use this as an example
[21:43] <rgreening> cool
[21:44] <kwwii> gtk? gtk? we don't need no stinking gtk!
[21:44] <rgreening> lol
[21:44] <kwwii> hehe, I will make something
[21:44] <rgreening> kwwii: here's my weak attempt... http://imagebin.ca/view/BdG-M6p.html
[21:44] <rgreening> Of course, not oxygenized :)
[21:44] <kwwii> to be honest, it would be better to put it on a stick instead of a hard-disk, or?
[21:44] <rgreening> Yeah.
[21:44] <rgreening> Sounds good
[21:44] <kwwii> well, we definitely don't want to use the human icon for this
[21:45] <kwwii> only the oxygen style
[21:45] <rgreening> yep. I assume in svg?
[21:45] <kwwii> yes, everything is done in svg (well, at least the first steps)
[21:46] <rgreening> cool. 
[21:46] <rgreening> ty.
[21:46] <kwwii> give me a day or two and I'll get back to you
[21:46] <rgreening> np
[21:46] <kwwii> the chat is sunday at 22UTC
[21:46] <kwwii> so it should be done by then
[21:46] <rgreening> Im usingmy crappy one for now. :)
[21:46] <rgreening> ok. cool stuff
[21:47] <kwwii> it is a good place-holder and makes sure nobody forgets :)
[21:47] <kwwii> the ubuntu icon is pretty crappy, really
[21:47] <kwwii> proving that I don't do this stuff enough
[21:47] <kwwii> or it would bug me and I would fix it :p
[21:48] <kwwii> I used to use the usb creator a lot when I had a mobile device from canonical but since they took it back there is no reason to sue it
[21:48] <kwwii> use
[21:48] <kwwii> anyway
[21:48] <kwwii> I will be in touch
[21:48] <ScottK> kwwii: But now you'll be able to use it to install KDE on the device you don't have, so it's much better.
[21:48] <kwwii> lol, no doubt
[21:50] <macvr> kwwii: how was Transformers?
[22:01] <kwwii> macvr: my son is only 11 and they wouldn't let him in :p
[22:01] <kwwii> pg in bavaria is a bit different than anywhere else
[22:01] <macvr> ;p
[22:01] <kwwii> so we saw night in a museum 2
[22:05] <kwwii> I told him we will go back tomorrow and he can say is already 12 :p
[22:07] <kwwii> they have it figured out...the childrends ticket is up to 12 but children cannot get into pg films, even with a parent unless they are 12
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