[00:00] <ryan__> yes, luckily i downloaded IE 6 and it is on my desktop so i figured out how to get into this chat. i can rightclick on desktop
[00:00] <BUGabundo> IE6?? wth
[00:01] <yofel> o.O
[00:01] <ryan__> i have to have it for work..
[00:01] <BUGabundo> don't scare us like that
[00:01] <yofel> ryan__: select 'add link' or starter or something like that
[00:02] <ryan__> after i rightclik on desktp?
[00:02] <yofel> yes, should be the second from the top in the list
[00:02] <pace_t_zulu> off topic... michael jackson... dead
[00:02] <yofel> pace_t_zulu: that *really* is off topic...
[00:03] <ryan__> really??
[00:03] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: and everyone knows it
[00:03] <BUGabundo> .... or not
[00:03] <BUGabundo> ryan__: really. now get back on topic
[00:03] <ryan__> k
[00:03] <pace_t_zulu> apologies
[00:03] <pace_t_zulu> couldn't help it
[00:04] <BUGabundo> I know
[00:04] <ryan__> is there a way to get to my desktop without exiting my terminal? only way i can get to it is alt+cntl+F2
[00:05] <yofel> ryan__: what about what I told you?
[00:05] <yofel> I want you to add a launcher on the desktop to start gnome-panel from there - or start xterm and then start gnome-panel from xterm
[00:05] <ryan__> i need to get to my desktop, i am in fullscreen terminal right now
[00:06] <yofel> ryan__: alt+ctrl+f7
[00:08] <m_tadeu> hi everyone
[00:08] <m_tadeu> is grub2 supported by previous grub configurators? like the one in kde system settings?
[00:11] <ryan___> ok
[00:11] <ryan___> you guys there?
[00:12] <yofel> ryan___: yup
[00:12] <BUGabundo> yes
[00:12] <ryan___> ok, i get no response from create launcher, i can create folder and empty file though ! yay!
[00:14] <ryan___> i dont know if this has anything to do with it, but prior to this i uninstalled evolution mail and calender but it wasnt till restart that it happend
[00:14] <ryan___> and installed something else but it slips my mind right now..
[00:15] <ryan___> a compiler
[00:15] <ryan___> but didnt even open it or anything
[00:17] <ryan___> i searched forums, but only one i found with similar problem was dead before there was a solution..
[00:21] <akio> howdy
[00:21] <akio> a shot in the dark here, has anyone used the framebuffer + mplayer with the new intel drivers?
[00:22] <ryan___> any ideas about missing toolbars 9.04, no response to alt+F2, no response from create launcher, but able to create folder and open apps on desktop
[00:22] <ryan___> ?
[00:22] <akio> I have KMS going, everything is nice and smooth otherwise
[00:22] <BUGabundo> ryan__ this # is for karmic 9.10 not jaunty 9.04
[00:23] <Bmw1000c> #ubuntu
[00:26] <akio> 193 users, no mplayer + framebuffer use cases?
[00:26] <BUGabundo> LOL
[00:26] <akio> BUGabundo, ?
[00:26] <BUGabundo> no, to Bmw1000c
[00:27] <Bmw1000c> lol
[00:27] <RAOF> akio: Why would you want to use the framebuffer?
[00:28] <RAOF> You're trying to use mplayer outside of X?
[00:28] <akio> no need, but I hoped it would allow me to cut down on overhead, I'm trying to play heavy mkv files on an MSI Wind U100
[00:28] <akio> It's not easy for this machine
[00:29] <RAOF> The framebuffer will be slower than Xv.
[00:29] <RAOF> Generally.  Because it's practically unaccelerated, wheras Xv is handled by your GPU.
[00:31] <akio> Thanks for the tip, I haven't really begun to dig into the differences of the drivers yet
[00:31] <akio> or output modules or whatever
[00:31] <akio> interfaces
[00:33] <m_tadeu> is anyone experiencing problems with xine recently?
[00:33] <akio> mplayer with xv cuts right through it
[00:37] <akio> akio, test
[00:38] <akio> can someone message me in like 4 seconds, im testing (obviously)
[00:38] <akio> that didn't go well
[00:39] <BUGabundo> akio: use !ping
[00:40] <akio> !ping
[00:45] <akio> my issue was that I was using xchat-gnome instead of xchat
[00:46] <BUGabundo> eheh
[00:46] <ripps> Yay! somebody fixed python-gdl, I can install specto again!
[00:50] <akio> !ping
[00:52] <Bmw1000c> !ping BUGabundo
[00:52] <Bmw1000c> no? :(
[00:52] <Bmw1000c> !ping
[00:54] <BUGabundo> Bmw1000c: akio: please use #ubuntu-bots instead. thank you
[00:54] <BUGabundo> !bots | Bmw1000c
[00:54] <Bmw1000c> lol sorry
[01:01] <Leftmost> I'm using xmodmap to remap a key on my system to Alt_L. After running xmodmap, xev reports the key as Alt_L but it doesn't behave as such. Any ideas?
[01:04] <akio> what
[01:05] <akio> wrong channel, sorry
[02:21] <BluesKaj> an error occurred while accessing 'Volume (ntfs)', the system responded: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.PermissionDenied:Device /dev/sda1 is listed in /etc/fstab.Refusing to mount
[06:32] <ghindo> Does anybody know when all those Mono packages will be ready for download?
[06:32] <RAOF> They already are.
[06:34] <RAOF> ghindo: "sudo aptitude full-upgrade"
[06:37] <ghindo> RAOF, Oh, thank you.  How come those packages aren't upgraded when running Upgrade Manager, apt-get upgrade, or aptitude safe-upgrade?
[06:37] <RAOF> Because they require removing some existing packages.
[06:37] <RAOF> Because those packages are no longer used.
[06:38] <dtchen> and hence violate the "safe" semantics
[06:38] <RAOF> safe-upgrade will never install or remove packages.
[06:39] <ghindo> Interesting - didn't know that.  Thanks again.
[09:47] <ripps> latest update killed my external hdd, it wount mount anymore.
[09:47] <cdE|Woozy> has anyone noticed some of their usb ports not working anymore?
[09:48] <ripps> Unable to mount the volume "Epsilon". Details -> Cannot get volume.fstype.alternative
[09:48] <ripps> it's a ntfs hdd
[09:48] <ripps> cdE|Woozy: I've noticed that I have to unplug and replug some things to get them working again]
[09:48] <cdE|Woozy> my docking station has five ports, two are not working anymore with karmic (completely powered down, plugging in a mouse won't even light it up)
[09:49] <ripps> the switch from hal to devkit is breaking alot of things
[09:49] <cdE|Woozy> ah, so devkit killed my ports :)
[09:50] <cdE|Woozy> but shouldn't the kernel detect that something was plugged in despite devkit not making it available to userspace or something?
[09:51] <cdE|Woozy> or the optical mouse lighting up
[09:51] <ripps> cdE|Woozy: hal was responsible for doing something with it, all the kernel will do is populate it in /dev
[09:52] <ripps> hal was the backbone of the linux plug-n-play scene
[09:52] <cdE|Woozy> well, the kernel doesn't even notice that something was plugged into these two ports, according to dmesg =X
[09:53] <ripps> well, technically, if devkit didn't mount modules for your usb hub, it can't mount anything for your usb mouse
[09:54] <cdE|Woozy> naughty devkit.. thanks ripps
[09:55] <ripps> I suspect both yours and my issues are coming from the updated udev-extras package, which devkit relys on to know what modules to mount for which devices
[11:16] <le-chuck_ita> Hi there, is audio in flash applets working for you today?
[11:17] <le-chuck_ita> forget it, now it is working for me
[11:17] <le-chuck_ita> sometimes you just need to close and reopen things,
[11:18] <le-chuck_ita> that's computer science
[11:27] <|ns|nR8> computer science is hitting a hard drive with a hammer to get it working again and its still working 5 years later
[12:06] <MTecknology> this isn't for karmic - but you guys are smart...
[12:06] <MTecknology> I've been having consistent error that stops the shutdown process. Where do I find this message?
[12:10] <virtuald> is it possible to not have the apt-cdrom binary installed on upgrades of the apt package?
[12:49] <aemyr> Is there major breakage in karmic or is it safe to upgrade ?
[14:52] <BUGabundo> Question: does GRUB2 boot from an ISO image?
[15:01] <BUGabundo> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/php-pear_5.2.10.dfsg.1-1ubuntu1_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/php/.registry/xml_util.reg', which is also in package php-xml-util
[15:01] <BUGabundo> known ?
[15:07] <virtuald> afaik gnome can boot isos
[15:07] <BUGabundo> gnome???
[15:07] <BUGabundo> gnome is WM
[15:07] <BUGabundo> I need at boot time
[15:08] <virtuald> grub :>
[15:08] <virtuald> you knew what i emant
[15:08]  * virtuald is getting tired
[15:11] <BUGabundo> virtuald: TAB autocomplete fail? LOL
[15:11] <BUGabundo> never manage to get GRUB 1.x do it
[15:20] <virtuald> some random hacker said he did that a long time ago, in some hacky way =p
[15:21] <BUGabundo> yah
[15:21] <BUGabundo> I need a *easy* way
[15:21] <BUGabundo> by placing the iso somewhere and adding a stanza
[15:30] <BluesKaj> looking for a way to make gwenview my default jpeg viewer
[15:31] <BUGabundo> hey charlie-tca BluesKaj
[15:31] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: galternatives?
[15:31] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo
[15:32] <BluesKaj> hi BUGabundo
[15:34] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, sudo update-alternatives --config viewer doesn't do it ..prolly using the wrong appname
[15:35] <BUGabundo> try galternatives!
[15:45] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, open with /other /graphics/gwenview, check file associations
[16:47] <dvz-> hey all
[16:47] <yofel> hi dvz-
[16:48] <dvz-> okay, so I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 to test out the intel drivers cause of a bug in VLC.  And after the loading splash screen, tty7 only displays a mouse, sound, and a constant black screen.
[16:49] <dvz-> it seems to let me log in and access my network keyring as usual (blindly entering credentials)..thankfully, allowing tty1 to work with irssi o.O
[16:50] <dvz-> was wonderin if anyone had any suggestions or the like to getting a visual on tty7...also this is -28 header, not -30
[16:50] <dvz-> -30 is just completely borked
[16:51] <yofel> dvz-: if you're using kernel 2.6.30-10, KMS was enabled as default for intel, try adding i915.modeset=0 to the kernel boot line
[16:52] <yofel> dvz-: also the intel driver in karmic only supports UXA (support for XAA/EXA was dropped)
[16:52] <dvz-> how do i check if i have UXA ?
[16:53] <yofel> dvz-: whats your driver version? (apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel)
[16:53] <dvz-> my chipset is i945 i believe
[16:53] <dvz-> hold on
[16:55] <dvz-> 2:2.7.99.1+git20090602.ec2fde7c-0ubuntu2 0
[16:55] <dvz-> that ^^?
[16:55] <yofel> dvz-: then you're using UXA - it's the only choice left ;)
[16:56] <dvz-> okay so that's good then?
[16:57] <dvz-> now kernel boot line...forgive my newness - I don't do this too often, but should learn sometime :-P  how would i add that line to the boot?
[16:57] <yofel> dvz-: not sure, UXA support in jaunty was very chipset dependent
[16:57] <yofel> ok, kernel...
[16:57] <yofel> when you boot and grub comes up press <esc> if needed
[16:58] <yofel> select the 30-10 kernel
[16:58] <yofel> press e and go to the line that starts with 'kernel' and press e again
[16:58] <yofel> go to the end of the line and add i915.modeset=0
[16:58] <yofel> then press b to boot
[16:59] <dvz-> ko, thanks. let's see how this works.
[16:59] <yofel> I hope that's correct, haven't used grub for a while since I switched to grub2
[17:00] <yofel> It should also give you the available commands on the bottom of your screen
[17:07] <dvz-__> ello again.
[17:07] <yofel> dvz-__: welcome back
[17:08] <yofel> dvz-__: welcome back
[17:08] <dvz-__> okay, that's slightly odd.
[17:08] <dvz-__> first of all, i915.modeset=0  right?
[17:08] <yofel> dvz-__: yes
[17:09] <dvz-> edited the kernel boot line with that and it said "Unknown argument" or something to that effect..."ignoring"
[17:09] <dvz-> under the 30-10 header
[17:10] <yofel> dvz-: iirc the 'ignoring' is ok, did it help in any way?
[17:10] <dvz-> actually yes..i'm running that header now...it's not borked like before..
[17:11] <dvz-> before it had some weird choppy strip in the center of the screen, like it was cramming it all and vertically challenged.
[17:11] <SKB> hmz my trash is gone
[17:11] <dvz-> but now, it's still giving me the same issues as 28
[17:12] <dvz-> black screen, +mouse,+sound,-display
[17:12] <dvz-> and for some reason my right alt is as
[17:13] <SKB> when i try to open my trash i get "Error while spawning nautilus: Operation not supported"
[17:13] <dvz-> -as, +acting up, acting as shift on the numbers and entering text in irssi with alt+someletter
[17:13] <yofel> dvz-: what does your /var/log/Xorg.0.log tell you? (check for EE or something bad in the last few lines)
[17:16] <yofel> dvz-: or easier, install pastebinit and nopaste you Xorg.0.log with 'pastebinit -i /var/log/Xorg.0.log' and give me the link so I can look through it
[17:16] <dvz-> something about xf86UnbindGARTMemory: unbind key 1 (2 and 3)
[17:19] <dvz-> http://pastebin.com/f4be8a871
[17:20] <yoasif> cwillu, ping
[17:24] <yofel> dvz-: There is an error in there on line 345 but I have no idea if that's the problem or how to fix that. Sorry
[17:24] <yofel> dvz-: Maybe someone else can help you later.
[17:25] <dvz-> thanks yofel
[17:46] <dvz-> yofel: i got it working
[17:46] <dvz-> yofel: edited xorg.conf, my virtual display was ~3000 1024
[17:56] <BUGabundo> btw if anyone is having audio MUTE prob, check pavucontrol to see if source of sound is at 50% or less!
[18:10] <yofel> dvz-: :D
[18:20] <cwillu_clone> poke poke BUGabundo,
[18:20] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, know anything about the lack of x86 builds on the mainline kernel ppa?
[18:20]  * BUGabundo slaps cwillu for overppoking
[18:20] <cwillu_clone> I haven't poked you in like 4 days
[18:20] <BUGabundo> is there a lack??
[18:21] <BUGabundo> they were there lsat tiem I checked
[18:21] <cwillu_clone> I know this because I've been 140km from the nearest internet connection for that time
[18:21] <BUGabundo> miss you too carrey
[18:21] <BUGabundo> cwillu ahahaha
[18:21] <cwillu_clone> there hasn't been a new x86 since a few weeks ago
[18:21] <cwillu_clone> i.e., no 2.6.31 -pre and -rc x86 kernels
[18:21] <BUGabundo> ahh
[18:22] <BUGabundo> ping apw
[18:23] <apw> hi
[18:23]  * cwillu_clone pokes apw with a give-me-a-2.6.31-rc1-x86-build stick
[18:24] <apw> yeah there is an issue with the kernel build infrastructure.  as in something with upstream builds
[18:24] <cwillu_clone> thought it'd be something like that
[18:24] <apw> the builds work in a karmic chroot, but not a jaunty one, which is in theory impossible
[18:25] <BUGabundo> aha
[18:25] <apw> not had a chance to find out why that is, just figured it out locally while doing a rebase
[18:25] <apw> as i hit it here
[18:25] <tawmas> Hello all
[18:26] <cwillu_clone> there's some -intel kms fixes for suspend there that I'm supposed to test
[18:26] <apw> there is an ubuntu 2.6.31-rc1 based kernel in here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~apw/+archive/staging
[18:26] <cwillu_clone> ah, great, thanks
[18:26] <apw> you would be the first person to boot it however
[18:26] <cwillu_clone> np
[18:26] <cwillu_clone> this laptop gets all the exciting kernel builds
[18:26] <BUGabundo> ahaha
[18:26] <BUGabundo> cwillu gonna go cutting edgered then me ?
[18:28] <tawmas> I need a quick pointer to something I can study to get out of my karmic machine dropping me into busybox at boot. From the messages, it looks like it doesn't find my root partition uuid.
[18:29] <charlie-tca> take a look at /var/log/syslog or /var/log/bootlog
[18:30] <cwillu_clone> BUGabundo, I'm the edgeredest
[18:31] <yoasif> if i have a problem with selecting something in the terminal not copying to the X copy buffer (or whatever it's called), where should i report it/has it been reported?
[18:31] <yoasif> cwillu_clone, are you cwillu?
[18:31] <cwillu_clone> yoasif, yes
[18:31] <cwillu_clone> 150km from my computer right now :p
[18:31] <yoasif> cwillu want to check out the alpha of that site we talked about?
[18:32] <tawmas> charlie-tca: I'm restarting it now
[18:32] <cwillu_clone> yoasif, sure
[18:32] <cwillu_clone> yoasif, pm 'cwillu' with the url
[18:32] <cwillu_clone> then I'll actually be able to find it when I get home
[18:32] <yoasif> done
[18:32] <yoasif> BUGabundo, around?
[18:33] <cwillu_clone> thx
[18:33] <cwillu_clone> he's hiding from my poking stick
[18:33] <yoasif> cwillu_clone, any ideas on the select not copying to x buffer?
[18:34] <yoasif> should i report to xserver-xorg-input-synaptics ?
[18:34] <dvz-> okay, 30-10..is that alpha 2 or 3?
[18:34] <cwillu_clone> yoasif, my head's been filled up with grain indicators not settling when the scale gate closes, I've barely got my sanity together enough to handle my own suspend bugs :p
[18:34] <cwillu_clone> yoasif, could poke your head in #ubuntu-x and ask
[18:35] <tawmas> charlie-tca: there's no /var/log I can look into! ls /var only shows /var/lock being there...
[18:35] <BUGabundo> yoasif: alwayus
[18:36] <yoasif> cwillu_clone, hilarious, it works now
[18:36] <charlie-tca> that seems bad
[18:36] <yoasif> BUGabundo, want to check out a site that im working on (alpha quality)
[18:36] <charlie-tca> should always be a /var/log, even with the live cd
[18:36] <cwillu_clone> yoasif, there's changes that have come through in that department, I wouldn't be surprised to see bugs come and go for the next month or two
[18:37] <yoasif> cwillu_clone, cool
[18:37] <cwillu_clone> charlie-tca, pre-root mount though?
[18:37] <yoasif> now if someone would fix gnome-do
[18:37] <cwillu_clone> dmesg should still show some relevant info
[18:37] <yoasif> not having gnome do is annoying
[18:37] <tawmas> I managed to mount my root partition
[18:37] <charlie-tca> when installer fails, you can pull logs from /var/log/syslog
[18:38] <cwillu_clone> the installer is running from a running system though
[18:38] <cwillu_clone> his issue is coming from the boot process itself
[18:38] <BUGabundo> yoasif: shoot
[18:38] <charlie-tca> not always. The alternate cd is the same way, you can pull /var/log/syslog if you go to a tty
[18:39] <cwillu_clone> that's still a running system though
[18:39] <yoasif> BUGabundo, sent the message -- you're going to need an openid, but google doesn't work atm for some reason :/
[18:39] <cwillu_clone> the lack of a running x server does not constitute a broken system :p
[18:40] <tawmas> charlie-tca: that's not from the installer cd, I'm booting from an installed system
[18:40] <charlie-tca> Unless your install never completed, and then you are booting from half a system
[18:41] <charlie-tca> see bug 385995
[18:42] <charlie-tca> one of the duplicates is similar
[18:42] <yoasif> i had the same issue
[18:42] <yoasif> one of mine was a dipe
[18:42] <yoasif> dupe*
[18:42] <yoasif> im running on that system now, hopefully will be fixed by alpha3 so i can reinstall
[18:42] <charlie-tca> one of the dups was a system that booted, but wouldn't run
[18:43] <yoasif> dont feel like doing a daily
[18:43] <charlie-tca> That part is fixed, but so far I only been able to get an install from the live cd desktop to work
[18:45] <bobesponja> nixternal: can I remove your xorg ppa now?
[18:51] <BUGabundo> bye everyone
[18:51] <BUGabundo> hey kklimonda, bye kklimonda
[18:56] <tawmas> Can someone please help me recovering from a boot failure? I get dropped into busybox. I have warnings that no block devices can be found and that an uuid which might be my root filesystem is not found. I can manually mount my root from busybox, but what do I do from here?
[18:59] <cwillu_clone> tawmas, and then hit ctrl-d to continue
[18:59] <cwillu_clone> ?
[19:00] <tawmas> cwillu: didn't try that
[19:01] <cwillu_clone> tawmas, ctrl-d basically does the same thing as typing exit in that circumstance:  telling the system to continue with the boot process
[19:02] <cwillu_clone> you'd still need to figure out how to get the system doing it automatically, but that's easier done from a fully booted system rather than mucking around with a busybox
[19:02] <tawmas> cwillu, it still drops me into busybox
[19:02] <tawmas> after telling me "Gave up waiting for root device"
[19:02] <cwillu_clone> :/
[19:03] <cwillu_clone> dunno then
[19:03] <tawmas> can I see the uuid  of the device from busybox?
[19:09] <tawmas> cwillu: I can seem to make it go a little further if I manually create a link in /dev/by-uuid/ for my root partition
[19:09] <tawmas> to do that, I also need to create /dev/by-uuid first as it doesn't exist
[19:10] <tawmas> I think my error is I mounted my root device on / when I seem to understand from the error output that I should have mounted it on /root
[19:10] <tawmas> I'll try again later, as I now have to go away
[19:11] <tawmas> do you have any further suggestions or comments?
[19:11] <cwillu_clone> tawmas, beyond expressing my love for hawkins cheesies, nope
[19:11] <nixternal> bobesponja: yes
[19:12] <tawmas> cwillu, ok, thanks
[19:12] <tawmas> I'll try something on my own... or just go grab a live cd somewhere and reinstall from scratch
[19:13] <tawmas> bye
[19:13] <bobesponja> ok thanks
[19:48] <BUGabundo> hey lemonade
[21:09] <Bmw1000c> see bug #392687
[21:48] <Bmw1000c> guys when i start my system it says "Loading AppArmor module ..... [FAIL]"
[21:48] <Bmw1000c> is that a known buh?
[21:48] <Bmw1000c> bug
[21:51] <Sarvatt> yeah theres no apparmor module for the karmic kernels yet
[21:52] <Bmw1000c> okay
[21:52] <Bmw1000c> another bug:
[21:52] <Bmw1000c> i upgraded my kernel and my grub settings came to default
[21:52] <BUGabundo> he means to say, all his manual changes to menu.lst were reverted
[21:53] <Bmw1000c> yes thanks BUGabundo
[21:53] <Bmw1000c> actually
[21:53] <Bmw1000c> is grub.cfg
[21:53] <BUGabundo> right GRUB2
[21:53] <BUGabundo> my mind is still set on GRUB 1.9
[21:53] <Sarvatt> thats because you added them to the "automagic boot stanzas" where it says not to instead of adding it to the default options where update-grub adds it to the existing kernels when its run
[21:54] <Bmw1000c> so
[21:54] <Bmw1000c> search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 4e8b5d6d-a9ed-4fd0-8eb8-030b56aaf2ce
[21:54] <Bmw1000c> how can i remove the --no-floppy
[21:55] <Bmw1000c> and "quiet splash"
[21:56] <Sarvatt> i have no idea with grub2 actually, havent even looked into it yet :(
[21:56] <Sarvatt> reading grub.cfg it looks like you edit it in /etc/default/grub
[21:56] <Sarvatt> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[21:57] <Sarvatt> take out quiet splash there so its just ""
[21:57] <Bmw1000c> thank you!
[21:58] <Bmw1000c> lets test it
[21:59] <Sarvatt> you need to update-grub after
[21:59] <Sarvatt> so it writes all the settings
[21:59] <Sarvatt> you should be able to tell if that worked just opening up grub.cfg after that
[21:59] <Sarvatt> i dont know about removing --no-floppy though, do you need grub to search floppies for some reason?
[22:00] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: he alread left
[22:00] <BUGabundo> he is always rebooting. poor laptop
[22:00] <BUGabundo> he is so happy about his 10 sec boots
[22:00] <Sarvatt> keep in mind its grub searching the floppy not the bootloader so its not like removing it removes booting from floppy support
[22:00] <Sarvatt> ahh darn
[22:00] <BUGabundo> ahahahaahah
[22:00]  * Sarvatt has part messages turned off
[22:00] <BUGabundo> (09:59:07 PM) Bmw1000c left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection).
[22:01] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: the no floppy sees to have come with Grub2. no idea why
[22:01] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: ping why is that?
[22:01] <Sarvatt> i imagine it would stall the boot up for a bit wasting time looking at the floppy if ones there..
[22:02] <Sarvatt> if you want to boot  off a floppy you just change the boot order in bios to have the floppy earlier
[22:03] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: aahah
[22:04] <Bmw1000c> no
[22:04] <BUGabundo> (09:59:07 PM) Bmw1000c left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection).
[22:04] <BUGabundo> (09:59:09 PM) Sarvatt: you need to update-grub after
[22:04] <BUGabundo> (09:59:16 PM) Sarvatt: so it writes all the settings
[22:04] <BUGabundo> (09:59:31 PM) Sarvatt: you should be able to tell if that worked just opening up grub.cfg after that
[22:04] <BUGabundo> (10:00:04 PM) Sarvatt: i dont know about removing --no-floppy though, do you need grub to search floppies for some reason?
[22:04] <Sarvatt> what the heck is the man page for grub2 listed under?
[22:04] <BUGabundo> no idea
[22:04] <Sarvatt> ahh man update-grub2
[22:05] <Bmw1000c> LOL
[22:05] <Bmw1000c> thanks Sarvatt eheh
[22:05] <Bmw1000c> Sarvatt
[22:05] <Sarvatt> nothing in there useful though lol
[22:05] <Bmw1000c> if i have --no-floppy active, i just cant boot
[22:06] <Sarvatt> thats odd, are you really using grub2? do you see a blue debian graphic on the screen during the kernel selection dialogue?
[22:06] <Bmw1000c> :|
[22:06] <Bmw1000c> yes man
[22:06] <Bmw1000c> it's different from 9.04
[22:06] <Bmw1000c> brb i'll tell you what error i get
[22:06] <BUGabundo> no no
[22:06] <BUGabundo> damn there he goes
[22:07] <Sarvatt> maybe he needs to reinstall a newer grub2 to his mbr
[22:08] <Sarvatt> found a forum thread i'll link him when comes back :D http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7510816
[22:13] <BUGabundo> !tell Bmw1000c  (10:08:40 PM) Sarvatt: found a forum thread I'll link him when comes back :D http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7510816
[22:13] <BUGabundo> !latter tell Bmw1000c (10:08:40 PM) Sarvatt: found a forum thread I'll link him when comes back :D http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7510816
[22:13] <BUGabundo> !help
[22:17]  * defrysk had the same issue with grub2
[22:17] <defrysk> so i now use the old grub
[22:19] <defrysk> back to gladstonbury
[22:28] <repete> Am I right that it was decided to switch to Empathy in 9.10?
[22:32] <Sarvatt> its not like they are going to remove pidgin or anything, but yeah the default IM on a new install is empathy
[22:32]  * defrysk switched to kde
[22:32] <BUGabundo> repete: yes
[22:33] <defrysk> kde4 is very solid on +1
[22:36] <BUGabundo> defrysk: yeah but a new snapshot is coming up, so bump road ahead !
[22:36] <BUGabundo> :p
[22:36] <defrysk> BUGabundo, looking forward to ...... etc
[22:37]  * defrysk likes bumy rides
[22:37] <defrysk> bumpy
[22:45] <BUGabundo> dtchen: ping
[22:46] <astenorh> hello
[22:46] <dtchen> BUGabundo: pong
[22:46] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:46] <BUGabundo> hey astenorh
[22:47] <astenorh> i dunno where to report this, but apparently mplayer has been compiled with no gui on karmic
[22:47] <BUGabundo> astenorh: mplayer has no GUI
[22:47] <BUGabundo> you want gmplayer
[22:47] <BUGabundo> same app with GUI
[22:48] <astenorh> yeah well there are two packages : mplayer, and mplayer-nogui
[22:48] <astenorh> both are compiled with no gui
[22:48] <astenorh> I will use gmplayer
[22:49] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:49] <BUGabundo> let us know if you have anytrouble
[22:50] <astenorh> and i didn't find gmplayer in the repository but gnome-mplayer I suppose that was what you were refering to
[22:51] <BUGabundo> not sure
[22:51] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:53] <astenorh> well it looks better than the classic mplayer gui
[22:55] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:55] <BUGabundo> it has a new skin in KK
[22:55] <BUGabundo> I changed it back LOL
[22:55] <astenorh> oj
[22:56] <astenorh> *ok
[23:17] <codeamuk> just about to install alpha2, any big issues?
[23:18] <defrysk> codeamuk, grub2 might be a breaker
[23:18] <Bmw1000c> im alive
[23:18] <codeamuk> hmm, ill take a look, thx!
[23:18] <yofel> codeamuk: intel graphic kards use now UXA and KMS by default
[23:18]  * defrysk upgraded from jaunty to avoid grub2 issues
[23:19] <BUGabundo> codeamuk: why not get a daily image instead?
[23:19] <BUGabundo> lots of changes since A2
[23:19] <BUGabundo> !daily | codeamuk
[23:19] <codeamuk> nvidia here but you guys are scaring me, didnt realize that much had changed.  i better do some reading before i get myself in trouble.  thx
[23:20] <codeamuk> BUGabundo thx, i will
[23:26] <BUGabundo> codeamuk: nvidia working fine here
[23:56] <dtchen> BUGabundo: please test speex-float-10
[23:56] <dtchen> BUGabundo: i'll see if i can reproduce the earlier audio anomalies on some dvds
[23:58] <BUGabundo> dtchen: 10 or 1 ?
[23:59] <dtchen> BUGabundo: 10.
[23:59] <BUGabundo> done
[23:59] <BUGabundo> restarting PA
[23:59] <dtchen> ~$ grep res .pulse/daemon.conf
[23:59] <dtchen> resample-method = speex-float-10