[00:00] yes, luckily i downloaded IE 6 and it is on my desktop so i figured out how to get into this chat. i can rightclick on desktop [00:00] IE6?? wth [00:01] o.O [00:01] i have to have it for work.. [00:01] don't scare us like that [00:01] ryan__: select 'add link' or starter or something like that [00:02] after i rightclik on desktp? [00:02] yes, should be the second from the top in the list [00:02] off topic... michael jackson... dead [00:02] pace_t_zulu: that *really* is off topic... [00:03] really?? [00:03] pace_t_zulu: and everyone knows it [00:03] .... or not [00:03] ryan__: really. now get back on topic [00:03] k [00:03] apologies [00:03] couldn't help it [00:04] I know [00:04] is there a way to get to my desktop without exiting my terminal? only way i can get to it is alt+cntl+F2 [00:05] ryan__: what about what I told you? [00:05] I want you to add a launcher on the desktop to start gnome-panel from there - or start xterm and then start gnome-panel from xterm [00:05] i need to get to my desktop, i am in fullscreen terminal right now [00:06] ryan__: alt+ctrl+f7 [00:08] hi everyone [00:08] is grub2 supported by previous grub configurators? like the one in kde system settings? [00:11] ok [00:11] you guys there? [00:12] ryan___: yup [00:12] yes [00:12] ok, i get no response from create launcher, i can create folder and empty file though ! yay! [00:14] i dont know if this has anything to do with it, but prior to this i uninstalled evolution mail and calender but it wasnt till restart that it happend [00:14] and installed something else but it slips my mind right now.. [00:15] a compiler [00:15] but didnt even open it or anything [00:17] i searched forums, but only one i found with similar problem was dead before there was a solution.. [00:21] howdy [00:21] a shot in the dark here, has anyone used the framebuffer + mplayer with the new intel drivers? [00:22] any ideas about missing toolbars 9.04, no response to alt+F2, no response from create launcher, but able to create folder and open apps on desktop [00:22] ? [00:22] I have KMS going, everything is nice and smooth otherwise [00:22] ryan__ this # is for karmic 9.10 not jaunty 9.04 [00:23] #ubuntu [00:26] 193 users, no mplayer + framebuffer use cases? [00:26] LOL [00:26] BUGabundo, ? [00:26] no, to Bmw1000c [00:27] lol [00:27] akio: Why would you want to use the framebuffer? [00:28] You're trying to use mplayer outside of X? [00:28] no need, but I hoped it would allow me to cut down on overhead, I'm trying to play heavy mkv files on an MSI Wind U100 [00:28] It's not easy for this machine [00:29] The framebuffer will be slower than Xv. [00:29] Generally. Because it's practically unaccelerated, wheras Xv is handled by your GPU. [00:31] Thanks for the tip, I haven't really begun to dig into the differences of the drivers yet [00:31] or output modules or whatever [00:31] interfaces [00:33] is anyone experiencing problems with xine recently? [00:33] mplayer with xv cuts right through it [00:37] akio, test [00:38] can someone message me in like 4 seconds, im testing (obviously) [00:38] that didn't go well [00:39] akio: use !ping [00:40] !ping [00:40] ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore === akio_ is now known as akio [00:45] my issue was that I was using xchat-gnome instead of xchat [00:46] eheh [00:46] Yay! somebody fixed python-gdl, I can install specto again! [00:50] !ping [00:50] ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore [00:52] !ping BUGabundo [00:52] Sorry, I don't know anything about ping BUGabundo [00:52] no? :( [00:52] !ping [00:52] ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore [00:54] Bmw1000c: akio: please use #ubuntu-bots instead. thank you [00:54] !bots | Bmw1000c [00:54] Bmw1000c: Hi! I'm #ubuntu+1's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [00:54] lol sorry [01:01] I'm using xmodmap to remap a key on my system to Alt_L. After running xmodmap, xev reports the key as Alt_L but it doesn't behave as such. Any ideas? [01:04] what [01:05] wrong channel, sorry === _Siegfried is now known as Siegfried [02:21] an error occurred while accessing 'Volume (ntfs)', the system responded: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.PermissionDenied:Device /dev/sda1 is listed in /etc/fstab.Refusing to mount === r0bby is now known as r0bby|arr === r0bby|arr is now known as r0bby === dtchen changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Karmic Koala (9.10) discussion channel | Karmic is NOT RELEASED and may break your system | Schedule https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule | Please join #ubuntu for all other support questions | Alpha 2 Released: www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha2 | Paper Cuts Round 1: tinyurl.com/mhs2qb [06:32] Does anybody know when all those Mono packages will be ready for download? [06:32] They already are. [06:34] ghindo: "sudo aptitude full-upgrade" [06:37] RAOF, Oh, thank you. How come those packages aren't upgraded when running Upgrade Manager, apt-get upgrade, or aptitude safe-upgrade? [06:37] Because they require removing some existing packages. [06:37] Because those packages are no longer used. [06:38] and hence violate the "safe" semantics [06:38] safe-upgrade will never install or remove packages. [06:39] Interesting - didn't know that. Thanks again. === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth === ripps_ is now known as ripps [09:47] latest update killed my external hdd, it wount mount anymore. [09:47] has anyone noticed some of their usb ports not working anymore? [09:48] Unable to mount the volume "Epsilon". Details -> Cannot get volume.fstype.alternative [09:48] it's a ntfs hdd [09:48] cdE|Woozy: I've noticed that I have to unplug and replug some things to get them working again] [09:48] my docking station has five ports, two are not working anymore with karmic (completely powered down, plugging in a mouse won't even light it up) [09:49] the switch from hal to devkit is breaking alot of things [09:49] ah, so devkit killed my ports :) [09:50] but shouldn't the kernel detect that something was plugged in despite devkit not making it available to userspace or something? [09:51] or the optical mouse lighting up [09:51] cdE|Woozy: hal was responsible for doing something with it, all the kernel will do is populate it in /dev [09:52] hal was the backbone of the linux plug-n-play scene [09:52] well, the kernel doesn't even notice that something was plugged into these two ports, according to dmesg =X [09:53] well, technically, if devkit didn't mount modules for your usb hub, it can't mount anything for your usb mouse [09:54] naughty devkit.. thanks ripps [09:55] I suspect both yours and my issues are coming from the updated udev-extras package, which devkit relys on to know what modules to mount for which devices [11:16] Hi there, is audio in flash applets working for you today? [11:17] forget it, now it is working for me [11:17] sometimes you just need to close and reopen things, [11:18] that's computer science [11:27] <|ns|nR8> computer science is hitting a hard drive with a hammer to get it working again and its still working 5 years later === albert231 is now known as albert23 [12:06] this isn't for karmic - but you guys are smart... [12:06] I've been having consistent error that stops the shutdown process. Where do I find this message? [12:10] is it possible to not have the apt-cdrom binary installed on upgrades of the apt package? [12:49] Is there major breakage in karmic or is it safe to upgrade ? === adam7__ is now known as adam7 === yofel_ is now known as yofel [14:52] Question: does GRUB2 boot from an ISO image? [15:01] E: /var/cache/apt/archives/php-pear_5.2.10.dfsg.1-1ubuntu1_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/php/.registry/xml_util.reg', which is also in package php-xml-util [15:01] known ? [15:07] afaik gnome can boot isos [15:07] gnome??? [15:07] gnome is WM [15:07] I need at boot time [15:08] grub :> [15:08] you knew what i emant [15:08] * virtuald is getting tired [15:11] virtuald: TAB autocomplete fail? LOL [15:11] never manage to get GRUB 1.x do it [15:20] some random hacker said he did that a long time ago, in some hacky way =p [15:21] yah [15:21] I need a *easy* way [15:21] by placing the iso somewhere and adding a stanza [15:30] looking for a way to make gwenview my default jpeg viewer [15:31] hey charlie-tca BluesKaj [15:31] BluesKaj: galternatives? [15:31] Hello, BUGabundo [15:32] hi BUGabundo [15:34] BUGabundo, sudo update-alternatives --config viewer doesn't do it ..prolly using the wrong appname [15:35] try galternatives! [15:45] BUGabundo, open with /other /graphics/gwenview, check file associations === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo === coz_ is now known as coz === coz is now known as Guest5801 === Guest5801 is now known as coz_ === coz_ is now known as booboo === booboo is now known as coz_ [16:47] hey all [16:47] hi dvz- [16:48] okay, so I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 to test out the intel drivers cause of a bug in VLC. And after the loading splash screen, tty7 only displays a mouse, sound, and a constant black screen. [16:49] it seems to let me log in and access my network keyring as usual (blindly entering credentials)..thankfully, allowing tty1 to work with irssi o.O [16:50] was wonderin if anyone had any suggestions or the like to getting a visual on tty7...also this is -28 header, not -30 [16:50] -30 is just completely borked [16:51] dvz-: if you're using kernel 2.6.30-10, KMS was enabled as default for intel, try adding i915.modeset=0 to the kernel boot line [16:52] dvz-: also the intel driver in karmic only supports UXA (support for XAA/EXA was dropped) [16:52] how do i check if i have UXA ? [16:53] dvz-: whats your driver version? (apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel) [16:53] my chipset is i945 i believe [16:53] hold on [16:55] 2:2.7.99.1+git20090602.ec2fde7c-0ubuntu2 0 [16:55] that ^^? [16:55] dvz-: then you're using UXA - it's the only choice left ;) [16:56] okay so that's good then? [16:57] now kernel boot line...forgive my newness - I don't do this too often, but should learn sometime :-P how would i add that line to the boot? [16:57] dvz-: not sure, UXA support in jaunty was very chipset dependent [16:57] ok, kernel... [16:57] when you boot and grub comes up press if needed [16:58] select the 30-10 kernel [16:58] press e and go to the line that starts with 'kernel' and press e again [16:58] go to the end of the line and add i915.modeset=0 [16:58] then press b to boot [16:59] ko, thanks. let's see how this works. [16:59] I hope that's correct, haven't used grub for a while since I switched to grub2 [17:00] It should also give you the available commands on the bottom of your screen === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [17:07] ello again. [17:07] dvz-__: welcome back [17:08] dvz-__: welcome back [17:08] okay, that's slightly odd. [17:08] first of all, i915.modeset=0 right? === dvz-__ is now known as dvz- [17:08] dvz-__: yes [17:09] edited the kernel boot line with that and it said "Unknown argument" or something to that effect..."ignoring" [17:09] under the 30-10 header [17:10] dvz-: iirc the 'ignoring' is ok, did it help in any way? [17:10] actually yes..i'm running that header now...it's not borked like before.. [17:11] before it had some weird choppy strip in the center of the screen, like it was cramming it all and vertically challenged. [17:11] hmz my trash is gone [17:11] but now, it's still giving me the same issues as 28 [17:12] black screen, +mouse,+sound,-display [17:12] and for some reason my right alt is as [17:13] when i try to open my trash i get "Error while spawning nautilus: Operation not supported" [17:13] -as, +acting up, acting as shift on the numbers and entering text in irssi with alt+someletter [17:13] dvz-: what does your /var/log/Xorg.0.log tell you? (check for EE or something bad in the last few lines) [17:16] dvz-: or easier, install pastebinit and nopaste you Xorg.0.log with 'pastebinit -i /var/log/Xorg.0.log' and give me the link so I can look through it [17:16] something about xf86UnbindGARTMemory: unbind key 1 (2 and 3) === asraniel_ is now known as asraniel [17:19] http://pastebin.com/f4be8a871 [17:20] cwillu, ping [17:24] dvz-: There is an error in there on line 345 but I have no idea if that's the problem or how to fix that. Sorry [17:24] dvz-: Maybe someone else can help you later. [17:25] thanks yofel === dvz-_ is now known as dvz- [17:46] yofel: i got it working [17:46] yofel: edited xorg.conf, my virtual display was ~3000 1024 [17:56] btw if anyone is having audio MUTE prob, check pavucontrol to see if source of sound is at 50% or less! === adam7__ is now known as adam7 [18:10] dvz-: :D [18:20] poke poke BUGabundo, [18:20] BUGabundo, know anything about the lack of x86 builds on the mainline kernel ppa? [18:20] * BUGabundo slaps cwillu for overppoking [18:20] I haven't poked you in like 4 days [18:20] is there a lack?? [18:21] they were there lsat tiem I checked [18:21] I know this because I've been 140km from the nearest internet connection for that time [18:21] miss you too carrey [18:21] cwillu ahahaha [18:21] there hasn't been a new x86 since a few weeks ago [18:21] i.e., no 2.6.31 -pre and -rc x86 kernels [18:21] ahh [18:22] ping apw [18:23] hi [18:23] * cwillu_clone pokes apw with a give-me-a-2.6.31-rc1-x86-build stick [18:24] yeah there is an issue with the kernel build infrastructure. as in something with upstream builds [18:24] thought it'd be something like that [18:24] the builds work in a karmic chroot, but not a jaunty one, which is in theory impossible [18:25] aha [18:25] not had a chance to find out why that is, just figured it out locally while doing a rebase [18:25] as i hit it here [18:25] Hello all [18:26] there's some -intel kms fixes for suspend there that I'm supposed to test [18:26] there is an ubuntu 2.6.31-rc1 based kernel in here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~apw/+archive/staging [18:26] ah, great, thanks [18:26] you would be the first person to boot it however [18:26] np [18:26] this laptop gets all the exciting kernel builds [18:26] ahaha [18:26] cwillu gonna go cutting edgered then me ? [18:28] I need a quick pointer to something I can study to get out of my karmic machine dropping me into busybox at boot. From the messages, it looks like it doesn't find my root partition uuid. [18:29] take a look at /var/log/syslog or /var/log/bootlog [18:30] BUGabundo, I'm the edgeredest [18:31] if i have a problem with selecting something in the terminal not copying to the X copy buffer (or whatever it's called), where should i report it/has it been reported? [18:31] cwillu_clone, are you cwillu? [18:31] yoasif, yes [18:31] 150km from my computer right now :p [18:31] cwillu want to check out the alpha of that site we talked about? [18:32] charlie-tca: I'm restarting it now [18:32] yoasif, sure [18:32] yoasif, pm 'cwillu' with the url [18:32] then I'll actually be able to find it when I get home [18:32] done [18:32] BUGabundo, around? [18:33] thx [18:33] he's hiding from my poking stick [18:33] cwillu_clone, any ideas on the select not copying to x buffer? [18:34] should i report to xserver-xorg-input-synaptics ? [18:34] okay, 30-10..is that alpha 2 or 3? [18:34] yoasif, my head's been filled up with grain indicators not settling when the scale gate closes, I've barely got my sanity together enough to handle my own suspend bugs :p [18:34] yoasif, could poke your head in #ubuntu-x and ask [18:35] charlie-tca: there's no /var/log I can look into! ls /var only shows /var/lock being there... [18:35] yoasif: alwayus [18:36] cwillu_clone, hilarious, it works now [18:36] that seems bad [18:36] BUGabundo, want to check out a site that im working on (alpha quality) [18:36] should always be a /var/log, even with the live cd [18:36] yoasif, there's changes that have come through in that department, I wouldn't be surprised to see bugs come and go for the next month or two [18:37] cwillu_clone, cool [18:37] charlie-tca, pre-root mount though? [18:37] now if someone would fix gnome-do [18:37] dmesg should still show some relevant info [18:37] not having gnome do is annoying [18:37] I managed to mount my root partition [18:37] when installer fails, you can pull logs from /var/log/syslog [18:38] the installer is running from a running system though [18:38] his issue is coming from the boot process itself [18:38] yoasif: shoot [18:38] not always. The alternate cd is the same way, you can pull /var/log/syslog if you go to a tty [18:39] that's still a running system though [18:39] BUGabundo, sent the message -- you're going to need an openid, but google doesn't work atm for some reason :/ [18:39] the lack of a running x server does not constitute a broken system :p [18:40] charlie-tca: that's not from the installer cd, I'm booting from an installed system [18:40] Unless your install never completed, and then you are booting from half a system [18:41] see bug 385995 [18:41] Launchpad bug 385995 in grub-installer "sometimes tries to edit menu.lst even with GRUB 2" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/385995 [18:42] one of the duplicates is similar [18:42] i had the same issue [18:42] one of mine was a dipe [18:42] dupe* [18:42] im running on that system now, hopefully will be fixed by alpha3 so i can reinstall [18:42] one of the dups was a system that booted, but wouldn't run [18:43] dont feel like doing a daily [18:43] That part is fixed, but so far I only been able to get an install from the live cd desktop to work [18:45] nixternal: can I remove your xorg ppa now? [18:51] bye everyone [18:51] hey kklimonda, bye kklimonda [18:56] Can someone please help me recovering from a boot failure? I get dropped into busybox. I have warnings that no block devices can be found and that an uuid which might be my root filesystem is not found. I can manually mount my root from busybox, but what do I do from here? [18:59] tawmas, and then hit ctrl-d to continue [18:59] ? [19:00] cwillu: didn't try that [19:01] tawmas, ctrl-d basically does the same thing as typing exit in that circumstance: telling the system to continue with the boot process [19:02] you'd still need to figure out how to get the system doing it automatically, but that's easier done from a fully booted system rather than mucking around with a busybox [19:02] cwillu, it still drops me into busybox [19:02] after telling me "Gave up waiting for root device" [19:02] :/ [19:03] dunno then [19:03] can I see the uuid of the device from busybox? [19:09] cwillu: I can seem to make it go a little further if I manually create a link in /dev/by-uuid/ for my root partition [19:09] to do that, I also need to create /dev/by-uuid first as it doesn't exist [19:10] I think my error is I mounted my root device on / when I seem to understand from the error output that I should have mounted it on /root [19:10] I'll try again later, as I now have to go away [19:11] do you have any further suggestions or comments? [19:11] tawmas, beyond expressing my love for hawkins cheesies, nope [19:11] bobesponja: yes [19:12] cwillu, ok, thanks [19:12] I'll try something on my own... or just go grab a live cd somewhere and reinstall from scratch [19:13] bye [19:13] ok thanks [19:48] hey lemonade [21:09] see bug #392687 [21:09] Launchpad bug 392687 in totem "can't open a video while there's one open" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/392687 [21:48] guys when i start my system it says "Loading AppArmor module ..... [FAIL]" [21:48] is that a known buh? [21:48] bug [21:51] yeah theres no apparmor module for the karmic kernels yet [21:52] okay [21:52] another bug: [21:52] i upgraded my kernel and my grub settings came to default [21:52] he means to say, all his manual changes to menu.lst were reverted [21:53] yes thanks BUGabundo [21:53] actually [21:53] is grub.cfg [21:53] right GRUB2 [21:53] my mind is still set on GRUB 1.9 [21:53] thats because you added them to the "automagic boot stanzas" where it says not to instead of adding it to the default options where update-grub adds it to the existing kernels when its run [21:54] so [21:54] search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 4e8b5d6d-a9ed-4fd0-8eb8-030b56aaf2ce [21:54] how can i remove the --no-floppy [21:55] and "quiet splash" [21:56] i have no idea with grub2 actually, havent even looked into it yet :( [21:56] reading grub.cfg it looks like you edit it in /etc/default/grub [21:56] GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" [21:57] take out quiet splash there so its just "" [21:57] thank you! [21:58] lets test it [21:59] you need to update-grub after [21:59] so it writes all the settings [21:59] you should be able to tell if that worked just opening up grub.cfg after that [21:59] i dont know about removing --no-floppy though, do you need grub to search floppies for some reason? [22:00] Sarvatt: he alread left [22:00] he is always rebooting. poor laptop [22:00] he is so happy about his 10 sec boots [22:00] keep in mind its grub searching the floppy not the bootloader so its not like removing it removes booting from floppy support [22:00] ahh darn [22:00] ahahahaahah [22:00] * Sarvatt has part messages turned off [22:00] (09:59:07 PM) Bmw1000c left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection). [22:01] Sarvatt: the no floppy sees to have come with Grub2. no idea why [22:01] billybigrigger: ping why is that? [22:01] i imagine it would stall the boot up for a bit wasting time looking at the floppy if ones there.. [22:02] if you want to boot off a floppy you just change the boot order in bios to have the floppy earlier === kklimonda__ is now known as kklimonda [22:03] Sarvatt: aahah [22:04] no [22:04] (09:59:07 PM) Bmw1000c left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection). [22:04] (09:59:09 PM) Sarvatt: you need to update-grub after [22:04] (09:59:16 PM) Sarvatt: so it writes all the settings [22:04] (09:59:31 PM) Sarvatt: you should be able to tell if that worked just opening up grub.cfg after that [22:04] (10:00:04 PM) Sarvatt: i dont know about removing --no-floppy though, do you need grub to search floppies for some reason? [22:04] what the heck is the man page for grub2 listed under? [22:04] no idea [22:04] ahh man update-grub2 [22:05] LOL [22:05] thanks Sarvatt eheh [22:05] Sarvatt [22:05] nothing in there useful though lol [22:05] if i have --no-floppy active, i just cant boot [22:06] thats odd, are you really using grub2? do you see a blue debian graphic on the screen during the kernel selection dialogue? [22:06] :| [22:06] yes man [22:06] it's different from 9.04 [22:06] brb i'll tell you what error i get [22:06] no no [22:06] damn there he goes [22:07] maybe he needs to reinstall a newer grub2 to his mbr [22:08] found a forum thread i'll link him when comes back :D http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7510816 [22:13] !tell Bmw1000c (10:08:40 PM) Sarvatt: found a forum thread I'll link him when comes back :D http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7510816 [22:13] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [22:13] !latter tell Bmw1000c (10:08:40 PM) Sarvatt: found a forum thread I'll link him when comes back :D http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7510816 [22:13] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [22:13] !help [22:13] Hi! I'm #ubuntu+1's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [22:17] * defrysk had the same issue with grub2 [22:17] so i now use the old grub [22:19] back to gladstonbury [22:28] Am I right that it was decided to switch to Empathy in 9.10? [22:32] its not like they are going to remove pidgin or anything, but yeah the default IM on a new install is empathy [22:32] * defrysk switched to kde [22:32] repete: yes [22:33] kde4 is very solid on +1 [22:36] defrysk: yeah but a new snapshot is coming up, so bump road ahead ! [22:36] :p [22:36] BUGabundo, looking forward to ...... etc [22:37] * defrysk likes bumy rides [22:37] bumpy [22:45] dtchen: ping [22:46] hello [22:46] BUGabundo: pong [22:46] eheh [22:46] hey astenorh [22:47] i dunno where to report this, but apparently mplayer has been compiled with no gui on karmic [22:47] astenorh: mplayer has no GUI [22:47] you want gmplayer [22:47] same app with GUI [22:48] yeah well there are two packages : mplayer, and mplayer-nogui [22:48] both are compiled with no gui [22:48] I will use gmplayer [22:49] ok [22:49] let us know if you have anytrouble [22:50] and i didn't find gmplayer in the repository but gnome-mplayer I suppose that was what you were refering to [22:51] not sure [22:51]