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[09:55] <zniavre> just discover a small project i find really well done > tint2  an alternative panel
[09:55] <zniavre> http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/3820/capturezvk.png
[10:19] <kwwii> omg michael jackson died
[10:29] <macvr> dashua: have you considered a transparent .png for the panel? rather than a traditional coloring?
[12:20] <mat_t> Chaotic_, hi!
[12:21] <Chaotic_> mat_t: Hi
[12:22] <mat_t> Chaotic_ is Otto Greenslade, leading the visual design efforts in the design team
[12:22] <mat_t> (that's for the round of introductions)
[12:23] <mat_t> Please feel free to poke him from time to time :)
[12:26] <macvr> thorwil: any plans for new boot submissions?
[12:27] <thorwil> macvr: no
[12:27] <macvr> :(
[12:28] <andreasn> hello Chaotic_, I'm andreasn, primary GNOME design. Feel free to ping me if you have any questions on anything
[12:28] <andreasn> primary GNOME designer I mean
[12:29] <thorwil> macvr: asking me before i even read that announcement was a bt early, anyway ;p
[12:30] <andreasn> Chaotic_, apparently I'm very good of knowing what every icon name used in GNOME is by heart :)
[12:31] <macvr> well... no one disturb kwwii for a few days , he is in mourning ;p
[12:32] <andreasn> mat_t, are you involved in the 100 papercuts thing?
[12:40] <robsta> hello  Chaotic_, i'm the css engine guy
[12:40] <macvr> andreasn: papercuts is a big mess :( ...
[12:40] <andreasn> macvr, are all 100 filled? I just found another, but I can probably report it as a regular bug
[12:41] <macvr> andreasn: there are more than 1000! filed!
[12:41] <andreasn> apparently gtkfilechooser and nautilus have different ideas on how invisible folders should be sorted
[12:41] <macvr> sorting them is huge problem ,since most are feature requests....
[12:42] <andreasn> but it is a terribly minor issue, so I'm certain people have very different ideas on how it should be solved :)
[12:42] <macvr> andreasn: file it , and paste link... i'll confirm it
[12:43] <macvr> i'll been looking into the papercuts , for past 2 days and so many are invalid...
[12:44] <macvr> andreasn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut < just make sure it fits the criteria , also adding your fix would make it easier
[12:44] <andreasn> "Put briefly, a paper cut is a trivially fixable usability bug that the average user would encounter on his/her first day of using a brand new installation of Ubuntu Desktop Edition*."
[12:45] <andreasn> hm, that would mean the hidden files thing would be invalid probably
[12:45] <andreasn> as a papercut, not as a bug
[12:46] <macvr> yup...
[12:48] <macvr> andreasn: i think i know the problem you are referring to... pls file a bug for that , the file order is so different in gtk and nautilus, since i have set always show hidden files.i would love to see a solution soon :)
[12:54] <andreasn> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=587040
[12:55] <ubottu> Gnome bug 587040 in general "GTK+ and Nautilus have different ideas on sorting order" [Minor,Unconfirmed]
[12:56] <macvr> :)
[12:57] <Cimi_> andreasn, I've just tested dolphin (kde4)
[12:57] <Cimi_> andreasn, hidden files first
[12:58] <Cimi_> it should be better to have the same behaviour accross different desktop environments
[13:07] <Cimi_> http://git.gnome.org/cgit/nautilus/tree/libnautilus-private/nautilus-file.c
[13:07] <Cimi_> line 2526
[13:07] <Cimi_> that's the function to patch
[14:15] <mat_t> andreasn: indeed
[14:18] <Chaotic_> hello everyone :)
[14:39] <SiDi> Chaotic_: hiya
[14:56] <mat_t> andreasn, you've asked about paper cuts, this is the list of 100 we would like to get fixed: https://edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/karmic
[14:57] <andreasn> I wondered if you needed more of them, but if I understood correctly, you
[14:57] <andreasn> 're currently up to your necks in submitted papercuts
[14:58] <mat_t> andreasn: yes, we've had over 1100 submitted so far
[14:58] <andreasn> are the papercuts intended to be fixed primary by Ubuntu devs, or would you consider them good starting points for new developers?
[14:59] <andreasn> I met a guy at my neighbors house the other day that mentioned he "would like to fix something in Ubuntu"
[14:59] <mat_t> andreasn: anyone can submit a fix
[15:00] <mat_t> andreasn: there's more than enough bugs for everybody :)
[15:00] <andreasn> I'll point him to that list as well if I run into him again, I already pointed him to GNOME Love
[15:00] <mat_t> cool
[15:02] <mat_t> andreasn: there's a bunch of artwork bugs, too, that this group could help with
[15:03] <andreasn> I could look through it and see if it's something that could be forwarded upstream, do you have a URL?
[15:10] <mat_t> andreasn: you'd have to look through the list, I don't think we have a separate URL for artwork-related bugs
[15:12] <kwwii> https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bugs?field.searchtext=icon&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package= is a good 
[15:45] <mat_t> kwwii, you've won the award for the longest url ever pasted
[15:45] <mat_t> ;)
[15:46] <SiDi> wherewherewhere
[15:46] <mat_t> SiDi, I think you just missed it
[15:46] <SiDi> damn
[15:46] <mat_t> https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bugs?field.searchtext=icon&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_p
[15:46] <mat_t> ackage=
[15:46] <SiDi> nice
[15:47] <mat_t> how can you *not* love Launchpad
[15:47] <mat_t> ;)
[15:48] <kwwii> hehe
[15:49] <kwwii> all I did was go to the bugs for the project and search for "icon" ;)
[15:51] <mat_t> kwwii, and you'd imagine it would be something like https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/search&string=icon or something...
[15:52] <kwwii> mat_t: yeah, no doubt...everything that I typed in is in the first 50 letters or so
[15:53] <kwwii> the rest is just baggage
[15:53]  * SiDi yawns
[15:54] <kwwii> so any ideas on the "sound and video" category icon? http://sinecera.de/player2b.png is the wip
[15:54] <SiDi> btw kwwii ive got a "final" version of those notification-battery icons on my lp page
[15:54] <SiDi> what shall i do with them ?
[15:54] <kwwii> SiDi: did you post a link to the list?
[15:54] <kwwii> or send me an email with a link?
[15:55] <SiDi> its on ayatana
[15:55] <kwwii> I like launchpad but it has been a while since I browsed through pages on it for fun :p
[15:55] <andreasn> kwwii, how does it look in the size it will be displayed in 95%+ of the time (ie 24x24)?
[15:56] <kwwii> andreasn: actually, that icon looks pretty good small, but I am only making that for the larger sizes
[15:56] <SiDi> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sidi/+junk/notification-battery/files
[15:57] <kwwii> andreasn: http://sinecera.de/player2b-b.png is the large svg exported at 24x24...it is amazingly not-shit :p
[15:58] <SiDi> kwwii: 404
[15:58] <kwwii> i get the feeling that I am on the ayatana irc server but not on the mailing list
[15:59] <kwwii> oops
[15:59] <kwwii> andreasn: http://sinecera.de/player2b-2.png
[16:02] <kwwii> SiDi: I'll put them in the package...I will be updating it very soon (within days) in karmic
[16:02] <SiDi> kwwii: they seem ok with the idea, but i dont know who will implement it. if it's for me i'll do that in early september, i think
[16:03] <SiDi> since its just rewriting a few strings in the app.. but i just need to know they wont patch it again and again after (cause g-p-m changes a lot latelyt)
[16:03] <SiDi> cheers kwwii
[16:03] <kwwii> I'll ping you next week when I know more and we can discuss any problems
[16:03] <kwwii> :)
[16:07] <andreasn> kwwii, looks sane, but would it perhaps end up a bit complex if put together with other icons. Maybe get rid of 1 of 3 elements?
[16:08] <SiDi> kwwii: okies
[16:08] <kwwii> andreasn: yeah...I as thinking the same
[16:08] <kwwii> the play button on top is kinda overkill anyway
[16:08] <andreasn> agreed
[16:09] <andreasn> did you have any more luck with the firefox close icon bug?
[16:09] <kwwii> well, I found out that firefox does indeed screw up the lookup
[16:09] <andreasn> I wonder if fixing the order in index.theme and replacing the 16x16 with the image I attached to the bug would help
[16:09] <andreasn> oh, so it is a FF bug after all?
[16:09] <kwwii> so I made a new 16x16 pixel icon which is flat (and really only like 14x14)
[16:10] <kwwii> so in the end we can work around the problem
[16:10] <kwwii> but this solution kinda sucks because nautilus does the lookup correctly and now finds the 16x16 pixel version before the 12x12
[16:10] <andreasn> would you like to make a comment on that in the Mozilla bugzilla?
[16:11] <andreasn> I wouldn't count on that it would go into 3.5, as that is drawing really close
[16:11] <andreasn> but perhaps in 3.6
[16:12]  * kwwii makes a bugzilla account
[16:12] <kwwii> it takes a lot of work to comment on a bug at mozilla
[16:14] <andreasn> it kind of keep me away from reporting bugs on certain products as well :(
[16:17] <kwwii> well, I have now added my mustard to the sandwich...
[16:43] <mat_t> kwwii: any thoughts on the boot splash submissions? Should we have a separate page for it?
[16:55] <mat_t> kwwii: sorry had to reboot
[17:03] <kwwii> mat_t: yeah, we can put it under boot or such
[17:08] <mat_t> kwwii: cool
[17:10] <kwwii> added it here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot
[17:11] <kwwii> once the internet wakes up launchpad and the servers boot
[17:12] <kwwii> i hope james has some kind of electrical implant in his head that causes him pain every time a person waits for a wiki page to load
[17:12] <knome> lol
[17:13] <asomething> i'm not sure anyone could survive that!
[17:15] <kwwii> ;)
[17:26] <robsta> hey thorwil
[17:26] <thorwil> hi robsta
[17:26] <robsta> thorwil: single canvas is much too slow, i need to extract the widgets, like the icon theme does
[17:27] <robsta> thorwil: sorry, that means more delay
[17:28] <robsta> thorwil: the problem is that with the plates the whole svg has to be rendered each time, and the rest is just clipped
[17:28] <thorwil> robsta: delay is currently not a problem for me :)
[17:28] <robsta> thorwil: but for me, i want a functional theme :)
[17:29] <thorwil> robsta: so, do you go for spliting at use-time, not design-time?
[17:29] <thorwil> as in, the template can stay as one huge SVG, it just can't be used directly?
[17:29] <robsta> thorwil: yes exactly
[17:29] <thorwil> phew :)
[17:30] <robsta> the plan is that when you run "make dist" to create the tarball, the cache is created automatically
[17:30] <robsta> so you can still use the widget factory or whatever, it will just take long to start
[17:31]  * kwwii takes his son to see transformers2 ...have fun
[17:31] <kwwii> mat_t: have a nice vacation, see you in a couple of weeks