[00:03] <niadh> I have the final two bugs for todays wiki page, both are transcoding issues in banshee, in both cases I have been asked to see if there are upstream bugs
[00:03] <niadh> Shall I just open two upstream bugs, reference them there and cross off the final two?
[00:04] <xteejx> bug 124387 any ideas?
[00:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 124387 in update-manager "update manager lock file not always removed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124387
[00:04] <micahg> sure niadh, thanks for all your help today
[00:05] <niadh> micahg: Your welcome, it's been a while since I managed to get down and do this again, but I'm glad I did
[00:05] <micahg> niadh: be sure to include a link back to launchpad noting it's in our tracker as well
[00:05] <niadh> Oh yes, of course ;)
[00:06] <micahg> :)
[00:09] <xteejx> micahg, would you mind taking a quick look at my bug, it seems pretty self explanatory, so i was going to mark it triaged, medium - what do you think?
[00:12] <xteejx> or if anyone else can have a quick little look at bug 124387 please?
[00:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 124387 in update-manager "update manager lock file not always removed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124387
[00:12]  * micahg is looking
[00:12] <xteejx> ooo thank smicah :D
[00:17] <micahg> xteejx: we're missing one key item though
[00:17] <micahg> the version of update-manager
[00:18] <xteejx> i was actually just thinking that lol
[00:20] <xteejx> micahg, after thats done is this safe to mark as triaged, as it seems that it would be pretty simple for devs to see what the problem is.
[00:20] <micahg> I think so
[00:20] <xteejx> micahg, cool cool, thank you :)
[00:21] <micahg> after all the important info is moved to the description of course :)
[00:21] <micahg> no, thank you :)
[00:22] <xteejx> no, thank you you hehe
[00:22] <micahg> xteejx: BTW, I've never run into that problem AFAIK
[00:23] <xteejx> me neither...
[00:31] <bdmurray> micahg: does bugs/status read better now?
[00:32] <micahg> bdmurray: BTW, I fixed the 3 bugs that I labeled incorrectly
[00:33] <micahg> bdmurray: much better
[00:33] <micahg> thank you
[00:34] <bdmurray> no problem, thanks for pointing it out
[01:20] <mrooney> Can anyone on Jaunty look in System -> Preferences -> Preferred Applications and see if thunderbird appears twice in "Mail Reader" ?
[01:22] <mrooney> or also Karmic
[01:23] <nellery> mrooney: it does
[01:23] <nellery> once as Thunderbird, once as Mozilla Thunderbird
[01:23] <mrooney> oh okay, I can't find a bug although it seems like one would exist
[01:24] <mrooney> nellery: I think it might be related to how thunderbird ships /usr/bin/thunderbird and /usr/bin/mozilla-thunderbird which both link to the same place, though maybe not
[01:25] <mrooney> I guess the bug is most appropriate in thunderbird
[06:11] <dholbach> good morning
[09:31] <Kangarooo> Hello. I Have big question and long time im having problem with this. 1/2 year. How to start programming in RoR Netbeans on Ubuntu and install required packages from Canonical maintained packeges.? https://answers.launchpad.net/netbeans/+question/75371
[10:32] <joop12> hi
[10:32] <joop12> good job messing up binaries in /usr after reboot
[10:32] <joop12> this is why there should be separate /usr partition and it should be ro.
[10:34] <joop12> For the end user, the system kills itself afte hard reboot (needed because system locks up doe to FAIL in using nvidia and screens switching).
[10:34] <joop12> 1. switch user
[10:34] <joop12> 2. frozen computer
[10:34] <joop12> 3. have to hard reboot
[10:34] <joop12> 4. /usr files are messed up, lol = fail
[10:35] <joop12> points of failure:  a) nvidia drivers are crappy   b) would be nice to have /usr in ro    c) how can reading a file cause files corruption
[10:35] <joop12> Perhaps simple fix to this all is to always use noatime?
[10:56] <micahg1> joop12: is there a bug #?
[10:57] <joop12> not yet
[10:57] <micahg> well it depends on teh fs if the binaries would've been affected
[10:58] <micahg> were you on battery power?
[10:58] <joop12> PC
[10:58] <micahg> PC what?
[10:59] <joop12> PC, baby, do you use it
[10:59] <joop12> "PC" as in "PC not laptop, no batter"
[10:59] <micahg> ah
[11:00] <micahg> what filesystem?
[11:00] <joop12> ubuntu is really a fail to support remotelly via phone
[11:00] <micahg> are you supporting Ubuntu?
[11:00] <joop12> trying to, its so hard
[11:00]  * joop12 facepalms
[11:01] <micahg> this is actually the bug triage channel
[11:01] <joop12>  / is on JFS
[11:02] <joop12>  /urs did not have separate partition
[11:02] <micahg> I'm not familiar with the recovery of jfs
[11:02] <joop12> but in the end, what user sees?
[11:02]  * micahg is not following
[11:03] <joop12> I reboot (for milion of reasons) ubuntu then it is killed and I can not work - it was so much better with windows, hell even windows 95, 97, me, xp - just reboot it and it works
[11:03] <micahg> hmmm
[11:03] <micahg> why did you choose jfs?
[11:03] <joop12> this is user experience.  this should be a serious meta bug
[11:03] <micahg> ext3 is the default
[11:03] <joop12> dunno, why not? if it sucks then it should not be an option to select
[11:03] <micahg> joop12: part of the freedom of linux is choices
[11:04] <micahg> defaults are tehre for a reason though
[11:04] <joop12> better hide choices that are know to sucl
[11:04] <joop12> also there should be some repair mechanism
[11:04] <joop12> X11 messed itself up (corrupted binaries). how to fix??  Im linux exp user and I dont know that out of head
[11:04] <micahg> joop12: there is a recovery mode
[11:05] <micahg> joop12: how do you know it's corrupt binaries?
[11:05] <joop12> im in root console.  what now?  aptitude reinstall what?
[11:05] <joop12> error says  that /usr/... somethig..   invalid ELF
[11:05] <micahg> sounds like you might have installed the wrong drivers
[11:05] <micahg> but you might want to check in #ubuntu
[11:05] <joop12> worked always untill reboot
[11:06] <joop12> on another bug.   how is THAT user friendly? look:
[11:06] <joop12> - ok whatever we can not fix it.  just shut the computer down
[11:06] <joop12> - ok how?
[11:06] <joop12> - shutdown minus eh now
[11:06] <joop12> - ??????
[11:06] <micahg> If you have user experience requests, you can file them on launchpad.net, or even better on brainstorm.ubuntu.com where they can be discussed
[11:06] <joop12> there should be simplier command
[11:07] <joop12> actually it is,   "shutdown space minus eh minus now"   now try doing that with no english speakers
[11:07] <micahg> joop12: in the gui, there's a logout button
[11:07] <joop12> "shutdown minus eh minus November Omega Wilson"
[11:08]  * joop12 wonders if attacking the soviet russia would be easier then simply turning off ubuntu while in console (repair) heh.  alpha-bravo-one-five, go.
[11:09] <micahg> joop12: this channel is for already filed bugs actually, we have a lot of channels available for all types of ubuntu type discussions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[11:09] <joop12> the above I see as bugs to be resolved
[11:10] <joop12> is this not ok?
[11:10] <micahg> yes, but in order to resolve them, they have to be filed
[11:10] <micahg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[11:15] <xteejx> I'm trying to upstream a KDE bug. What version is the current KDE in Jaunty?
[11:16] <micahg> !info kdebase
[11:16] <ubot4> micahg: kdebase (source: kdebase): base applications from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu4 (jaunty), package size 69 kB, installed size 180 kB
[11:17] <xteejx> hehe thanks micahg :)
[11:17] <micahg> np xteejx :)
[13:00] <enterneo_> I am trying to install 9.04 64bit on EXT4, but ubiquity is crashing at 94% (when installing grub), any help?
[14:44] <kblin> hi folks
[14:45] <kblin> I seem to have an issue with networking after returning from a pm-hibernate. that'd still be a bug in the kernel package rather than pm-utils, right?
[14:54] <BUGabundo> boas ppl
[15:55] <reem> exit
[15:55] <reem> woops
[15:58]  * BUGabundo hands reem a '/' !
[16:00] <bcurtiswx> good morning everyone
[16:01] <bcurtiswx> (in the US) :P
[16:01] <bcurtiswx> hggdh: i wanted to talk to you about empathy and you said you were going to  work on things with that?
[16:32] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, pong
[16:32]  * bcurtiswx waves to hggdh
[16:32]  * BUGabundo enjoys te wind
[16:33]  * bcurtiswx laughs at BUGabundos lesser typing abilities :P
[16:33]  * hggdh did not feel *any* wind in Texas today
[16:33] <skully_> just a very hot wind
[16:33] <bcurtiswx> hggdh: were you going to work on patching empathy for the userlists with IRC?
[16:34] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, yes, I want to start looking at -idle -- it is still sort of lacking in the controls I have on xchat
[16:34] <hggdh> and, for the userlist, yes
[16:34] <bcurtiswx> hasn't xchat stopped being supported for a long time?
[16:34] <hggdh> I do not really know. Works For Me, at least most of the time
[16:35] <bcurtiswx> yeah, i mean adding commands to idle like "/msg" and a room list would be a great start
[16:36] <hggdh> and being able to change a nick, and marking oneself away, and having whois, etc, etc
[16:36] <hggdh> which *might* already be implemented, and I just failed to find how to do it
[16:36] <bcurtiswx> yeah, i mean id like it if there would be a triangle in the IRC userlist marking the away users
[16:37] <bcurtiswx> and obviously the space between usernames less
[16:37] <bcurtiswx> the empathy userlist is a great example of how the IRC userlist should look like
[16:37] <bcurtiswx> well i have mine set to make the space between users a minimum
[16:38] <bcurtiswx> so i guess thats not default
[16:42] <hggdh> I guess so. Also, the user's documentation needs some love
[16:43] <bcurtiswx> BUGabundo: do you have an up-to-date karmic install?
[16:43] <BUGabundo> yoe
[16:43] <BUGabundo> yep
[16:44] <bcurtiswx> do you run compiz?
[16:44] <BUGabundo> yes, of course
[16:44] <bcurtiswx> any problems with it?
[16:44] <BUGabundo> no
[16:44] <bcurtiswx> can you turn it off then turn it on and see if you get any problems?
[16:45] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/Desktop
[16:45] <BUGabundo> no no no
[16:45] <BUGabundo> I will not test that
[16:45] <BUGabundo> :p
[16:45] <BUGabundo> last time I did, took me 4 days to get it working again
[16:46] <bcurtiswx> oh my
[16:47] <bcurtiswx> well anyone in here with a karmic install up-to-date can you turn off compiz and turn it on to see if it gives you problems?
[16:49] <BUGabundo> $ grep compi .bashrc
[16:49] <BUGabundo> alias compizB='DISPLAY=:0 compiz --replace &'
[16:49] <BUGabundo> alias compizC='DISPLAY=:0 compiz --reload &'
[16:49] <BUGabundo> $ grep meta .bashrc
[16:49] <BUGabundo> alias metacityB='DISPLAY=:0 metacity --replace &'
[16:49] <BUGabundo> alias metacityC='DISPLAY=:0 metacity --reload &'
[16:49] <bcurtiswx> whats the size of your monitor?
[17:03]  * bcurtiswx pokes BUGabundo
[17:13] <bcurtiswx> what channel is for the documentation team?
[17:14] <BUGabundo> #ubuntu-docs ?
[17:15] <bcurtiswx> im in #ubuntu-doc, thats it
[17:45] <hggdh_test> bcurtiswx: telepathy-idle git has more data on the userlist
[17:46] <calaen0> Why does python in jaunty prefer system python packages over ones in /usr/local/lib/python2.6/ ... is this a bug? Can't find a report, and I would think a lot of people would be miffed about the change in behavior
[17:47] <bcurtiswx> hggdh-test: what is git?
[17:47] <calaen0> an annoying person.
[17:47] <calaen0> also, a source control method =) like svn, bazaar, cvs etc
[17:47] <hggdh_test> heh. No it is the SCCS (Source Code Control System) in use upstream. The bleeding edge, one might say
[17:47] <BUGabundo> ahaahahah
[17:48] <BUGabundo> hggdh making GIT == trunk is so wrong :(
[17:48] <hggdh_test> calaen0: right, sorry, did not see your post explaining
[17:48] <BUGabundo> hggdh it can be any branch or release too
[17:48] <bcurtiswx> hggdh-test: so the git has an update to idle that isn't in that PPA?
[17:49] <hggdh_test> BUGabundo: yes, it is an over-simplification. In my case, it is the master, not any other branch (which *might* be even more bleeding)
[17:49] <hggdh_test> bcurtiswx: it seems so
[17:49] <hggdh_test> not surprising, though
[17:50] <bcurtiswx> hggdh-test: whats different then the PPA?
[17:51] <hggdh> each user now has an icon (in my case, all of them are green), and a second line stating the status (in my case, all "available"
[17:51] <hggdh> yeeeeee using two nick is fun
[17:51] <bcurtiswx> how can i use that?
[17:51] <hggdh_test> very much so
[17:52] <kklimonda> buu.. can't get refdbg to work... and it has next to no documentation :/
[17:53] <BUGabundo> hggdh eheh I know the feeling
[17:53] <BUGabundo> now try 3 nicks on 4 PCs and a boucer! LO
[17:53] <BUGabundo> hey kklimonda [[]]
[17:54] <kklimonda> hey BUGabundo, how are you today? where have you been interviewed for job? :)
[17:55] <bcurtiswx> hggdh_test: how cna i use that ?
[17:55] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: went ok, thanks! hope they call me back!!
[17:55] <BUGabundo> my horoscope was funny too: "Libra:don't worry about money"
[17:55] <bcurtiswx> yur a libra
[17:55] <bcurtiswx> me too
[17:56] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: just open a another IRCclient  with anohter nick
[17:56] <bcurtiswx> no, i mean the git to try the new userlist
[17:57] <hggdh_test> you must download the git versions, and make them
[17:58] <bcurtiswx> think they'll make it into the PPA soon?
[17:59] <BUGabundo> why?
[17:59] <BUGabundo> you should do it faster
[18:00] <hggdh_test> bcurtiswx: you can find the projects at http://git.collabora.co.uk/ ; then select the project you want (for example, telepathy-idle, and find the URL for the GIT
[18:01] <hggdh_test> then, on a terminal, run 'git clone <whatever URL>'
[18:01] <hggdh_test> er. Of course, you must have installed git
[18:02] <hggdh_test> For idle, you will probably need empathy., telepathy-idle, and telepathy-glib (perhaps others, have not checked yet)
[18:52] <BUGabundo> bye
[19:00] <micahg> ping jdstrand
[19:00] <jdstrand> hi
[19:01] <micahg> hi
[19:01] <micahg> I just read the document on security bug importance and had a question
[19:02] <kees> micahg: what's up?
[19:02] <micahg> for the bug I posted, I guess I forgot to mention there is a bot going around trying to exploit it
[19:02] <kees> ew
[19:02] <micahg> and it could allow arbitrary code execution
[19:02] <jdstrand> micahg: I thought it was only during setup? feel free to bump the priority with the reason
[19:02] <jdstrand> I'd say 'high'
[19:03] <kees> micahg: what's the bug#?
[19:03] <micahg> well, if the user doesn't disable the setup script, it can be used to rewrite the config, but I haven't evaluated it's possible effect on Ubuntu yet
[19:03] <micahg> bug 392324
[19:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 392324 in phpmyadmin "CVE-2009-1285: Insufficient output sanitizing when generating configuration file" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/392324
[19:04] <micahg> I gues the question is do we allow the phpmyadmin setup to write to files?
[19:04] <kees> ah yeah, saw the Debian update go out on that.  most people don't have phpmyadmin publically available, do they?
[19:04] <micahg> depends how careful people are
[19:04] <micahg> by default I think it is
[19:06] <jdstrand> that would be a rather poor default...
[19:06] <micahg> let me check
[19:08] <micahg> yes, after it's installed, it's accesible by default from /phpmyadmin on the server
[19:08] <jdstrand> I guess mark it up to High and mention the new details
[19:09] <micahg> ok
[19:14] <micahg> actually, looking at it now, we might not be affected
[19:14] <micahg> that's what I wasn't sure about
[19:15] <micahg> we don't have a writeable config file anywhere
[19:15] <micahg> by default at least
[19:16] <micahg> so, I think I'll leave it as medium
[19:17] <micahg> by default I don't think this can be exploited
[19:19] <micahg> sorry for the noise
[19:42] <jdstrand> micahg: that is good news, thanks for looking into it :)
[21:17] <BUGabundo> pedro_: ping. what's the dupe for bug 392687 ?
[21:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 392687 in totem "can't open a video while there's one open" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/392687
[21:18] <pedro_> BUGabundo: reload
[21:18] <BUGabundo> sorry?
[21:18] <BUGabundo> I told the user to report it
[21:18] <BUGabundo> but you marked it as invalid
[21:19] <pedro_> BUGabundo: I've marked it as a duplicate, could you reload the page?
[21:19] <pedro_> BUGabundo: I'd like to do everything in one single step but i've to comment and later on mark it
[21:19] <BUGabundo> thanks
[21:19] <BUGabundo> ok ok
[21:19] <pedro_> you're welcome
[21:20] <BUGabundo> pedro_: eheh you scared the user eheh
[21:20] <BUGabundo> he doesn't report too much, but got your change, and thouth it was rejected
[21:20] <BUGabundo> felt bad .
[21:21] <BUGabundo> now he is happy again, for helping out
[21:21] <BUGabundo> pedro_: and I'm always amazed by how fast you squash this bugs
[21:21] <pedro_> BUGabundo: being on #ubuntu-bugs-announce helps a lot for doing fast triage
[21:21] <BUGabundo> I know
[21:22]  * BUGabundo vowels to hggdh
[21:22]  * pedro_ loves EeeBotu
[21:23] <BUGabundo> pedro_: come on. luv amoung humans... live machines/software aside :p
[21:24] <hggdh> hey all y'all should say thanks to mrooney... I just run eeebotu :-)
[21:24] <BUGabundo> who is mrooney ??
[21:24] <BUGabundo> don't remember ever talking to him
[21:24] <BUGabundo> but in either case: thanks mrooney
[21:24] <hggdh> he is quite sn introvert ;-)
[21:25] <mrooney> hi BUGabundo, we have talked before :)
[21:25] <mrooney> it is okay if you don't remember me though :)
[21:25]  * hggdh is never remembered :-)
[21:26] <BUGabundo> I guess you are not one of the most active ones , at least when I'm awaked and online
[21:26] <mrooney> I am not always super active in here, just answering questions sometimes
[21:26] <BUGabundo> hggdh: everyone knows you! far more ppl then the ones that know me!
[21:26] <mrooney> most of my triaging is from -announce
[21:26] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:30] <hggdh> heh
[21:30] <hggdh> will be back later
[21:32] <nhandler> Anyone on identi.ca/Twitter knows you ;)
[21:32] <BUGabundo> me
[21:32] <BUGabundo> I know myself
[21:32] <BUGabundo> I follow myself actually
[21:33] <BUGabundo> nhandler: not so many ppl! I only have ~200 followers
[21:33] <BUGabundo> of course that could be, because not everyone can keep up with 300 dents a day.... who knows
[21:34] <nhandler> Or maybe they want to see some dents from other people on their time lines ;)
[21:36] <BUGabundo> aahahhah
[21:36] <BUGabundo> I do sleep too :p
[22:49] <micahg> bdmurray:
[22:49] <micahg> regarding the needs-reassignment tag
[22:49] <bdmurray> micahg: ;-)
[22:49] <micahg> hi
[22:49] <bdmurray> hello
[22:50] <micahg> should I remove the package and add the tag or just leave it and add the tag?
[22:51] <bdmurray> remove the package and add the tag, then if giving it a package add the package and remove the tag
[22:51] <micahg> ok, thanks
[22:51] <micahg> I'll do that in the future
[22:51] <bdmurray> no problem thanks for asking
[23:57] <micahg> bug 390916 -- support request??
[23:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 390916 in ubuntu "Anyone know a tweak for volume control ? " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390916
[23:58] <micahg> bdmurray: ^^^