| ebroder | Does anybody have any recommendations for docs on writing PolicyKit-aware apps? | 00:12 |
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| dtchen | cjwatson: yes, xfonts-scalable can be synced. | 01:56 |
| wip | hello everyone, i really just need to know if a new rt-kernel is coming out soon. (or maybe i have to recompile it myself, cause there's no plan for rt release) | 02:07 |
| wip | i just need a quick reply on this matter... | 02:08 |
| dtchen | wip: #ubuntu-ports or #ubuntustudio-devel. also, quite likely. | 02:23 |
| wip | dtchen: thank you! | 02:23 |
| lifeless | doko: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/392355 | 02:41 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 392355 in bzr "C extensions placed in wrong directory" [Critical,Triaged] | 02:41 |
| lifeless | doko: any thoughts? | 02:41 |
| TheMuso | dtchen: I assume you are aware of why I can't do a test release of pulse 0.9.16-test1? | 02:42 |
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| bjsnider | how can i stop dh_shlibdeps from adding a specific dependency? | 04:00 |
| StevenK | Stop linking against that library | 04:02 |
| bjsnider | it's not that simple | 04:03 |
| bjsnider | i need it as a build-dep | 04:03 |
| lifeless | bjsnider: thats orthogonal | 04:04 |
| bjsnider | but it is then automatically being added as a dependent package when in fact it isn't | 04:04 |
| lifeless | test via ldd | 04:04 |
| lifeless | I bet it is linked against | 04:04 |
| bjsnider | how would i do that? | 04:04 |
| lifeless | ldd <binary> | 04:05 |
| bjsnider | well, i don't have the binary | 04:09 |
| bjsnider | but are you saying the source code itself is asking for that file? | 04:09 |
| lifeless | what are you building? | 04:09 |
| ebroder | bjsnider: dh_shlibdeps looks through the resulting package for all binaries in that package, finds all libraries they link against, and adds those libraries as automatic dependencies | 04:10 |
| bjsnider | but when you say libraries they link against, that's int he source code, is that right? | 04:10 |
| bjsnider | in other words, it's not because of anything i put in the control file | 04:11 |
| lifeless | bjsnider: *what are you building* - a binary or a library, or both? | 04:11 |
| bjsnider | both | 04:11 |
| lifeless | so, use ldd on the binary | 04:11 |
| lifeless | or the library | 04:12 |
| bjsnider | i don't have them | 04:12 |
| lifeless | how can you not have them? | 04:12 |
| lifeless | you're building them in your debs | 04:12 |
| bjsnider | yeah | 04:12 |
| * ajmitch doesn't understand why this dependency shouldn't be added | 04:12 | |
| bjsnider | it isn't a dependency | 04:13 |
| bjsnider | the program doesn't need it to run | 04:13 |
| StevenK | According to ldd, it does | 04:13 |
| Pici | Are you sure? | 04:13 |
| bjsnider | it should be a suggests | 04:13 |
| bjsnider | wrong. i know better than ldd | 04:13 |
| lifeless | then unpack the deb, and check with ldd | 04:13 |
| * ebroder disbelieves | 04:13 | |
| lifeless | its very simple | 04:13 |
| bjsnider | i think this thing is just too...what's the word | 04:13 |
| lifeless | 'correct' | 04:13 |
| bjsnider | immature | 04:13 |
| StevenK | Haha | 04:13 |
| bjsnider | unpolished | 04:13 |
| bjsnider | alpha | 04:14 |
| StevenK | I call bullshit | 04:14 |
| lifeless | bjsnider: have you checked with ldd, or are you just speculating? | 04:14 |
| lifeless | bjsnider: and do you know what ldd actually does? | 04:14 |
| bjsnider | well, let me download the thing... | 04:14 |
| bjsnider | of course not | 04:14 |
| bjsnider | if i knew that it did i wouldn't be in here | 04:15 |
| lifeless | man ldd gives a reasonable description | 04:15 |
| lifeless | note that the *docs* are 8 years old. God knows how old ldd itself is :) | 04:15 |
| ajmitch | probably about 30+ | 04:15 |
| StevenK | Instead you come in here and accuse our tools of being immature and unpolished | 04:15 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: Actually, I suspect its from when a.out was superceded | 04:16 |
| ebroder | Sounds like a bad Western in the making. "For as long as there have been shared libraries, there's been an ldd..." | 04:16 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: but I don't recall the yar | 04:16 |
| ajmitch | lifeless: probably, I wouldn't expect it to go all the way back to prehistory | 04:16 |
| ajmitch | if the application is mistakenly linking against a shared library but uses none of its symbols, then that app needs fixed (iirc) | 04:17 |
| lifeless | thats right | 04:17 |
| persia | Right. That's a build system issue, | 04:17 |
| lifeless | libtool can cause this | 04:17 |
| lifeless | as can scons | 04:17 |
| lifeless | and $homebrew | 04:17 |
| lifeless | but the first thing to do is to gather data | 04:17 |
| lifeless | find out which of the binaries||libraries are dragging in the dependency. Thus ldd | 04:18 |
| * lifeless goes off to write code | 04:18 | |
| ajmitch | dpkg-shlibdeps throws up warnings in that case | 04:19 |
| bjsnider | what would such a warning look like? | 04:20 |
| RAOF | "useless dependency on $LIB could be dropped if $BINARY didn't needlessly link against it" | 04:20 |
| lifeless | its entertaining when dpkg throws that up and is wrong | 04:20 |
| bjsnider | ah, yes i recall seeing those when i was running debuild | 04:20 |
| lifeless | (because typedefs) | 04:20 |
| bjsnider | i don't think this is my problem | 04:21 |
| lifeless | bjsnider: well, do the ldd test, gather data and report back; I'm sure we can provide more hints | 04:27 |
| bjsnider | i can't do the ldd test | 04:27 |
| ebroder | bjsnider: Then we can't help you | 04:27 |
| persia | bjsnider, Why can't you do the ldd test? | 04:28 |
| bjsnider | i uninstalled these packages | 04:29 |
| bjsnider | bringing them back in would break my system | 04:29 |
| bjsnider | i could build them here but that would take awhile | 04:29 |
| ebroder | Do you have the .debs? | 04:29 |
| bjsnider | yes | 04:29 |
| persia | So? Download it (as a file). unpack it (man dpkg-deb). run ldd on the files. | 04:29 |
| * ajmitch would like to know what the package is & what the unneeded dependency is | 04:30 | |
| maco | ajmitch, i dont see bryce's modified hunspell... | 04:33 |
| bjsnider | i'm talking to the developer here and i found out the problem | 04:34 |
| ajmitch | maco: sorry, hunspell-en-us was the one he uploaded | 04:34 |
| maco | ajmitch, ah ok | 04:36 |
| bjsnider | i talked the developer out of linking to that library. | 04:43 |
| bjsnider | thank you for all of your guidances | 04:43 |
| maco | ajmitch, alright, attached a hunspell-en-us debdiff to that bug as well now. feel like another upload? | 04:43 |
| ajmitch | maco: to the same bug, which was closed already? :) | 04:43 |
| maco | ajmitch, marked it as affecting both packages | 04:44 |
| ajmitch | ah good | 04:44 |
| ajmitch | let me fetch the source | 04:44 |
| dtchen | TheMuso: yes, i've spent the last few hours getting 2.6.31-rc1 running on my systems to fix rtkit packaging | 04:59 |
| TheMuso | dtchen: Oh ok cool. | 05:02 |
| cjwatson | dtchen: synced, then, thanks | 06:06 |
| vkfwb | I am looking for someone who can help me facilitate an update to Ubuntu package of fwbuilder; I am the author and project lead, our upstream package has been updated and we'd like to see Ubuntu packages updated too | 06:09 |
| dholbach | good morning | 06:11 |
| ScottK | vkfwb: Since we generally get fwbuilder from Debian, our preferred method would be to get the package updated in Debian and then ask someone in #ubuntu-motu about a sync from Debian once that's done. | 06:16 |
| ScottK | cjwatson: I've taken a shot at updating livecd-rootfs (in bzr, not uploaded). Given the hash I made of tasksel, I'd particularly appreciate it if you'd take a look at it. | 06:18 |
| StevenK | ScottK: I tried to update tasksel at one point and ran screaming, if I recall. | 06:19 |
| ScottK | I didn't run and I should have. | 06:19 |
| ScottK | cjwatson straightened it out. | 06:19 |
| cjwatson | ScottK: can't say offhand whether it will work :-), but it looks OK | 06:20 |
| StevenK | cjwatson: I note UNR has disappeared completly from the tasks, I need to wait for cron.germinate to land? | 06:20 |
| cjwatson | tasksel is easy to update, but perhaps only once you know how. Make the changes you want (whether in the seeds or in ubuntu-seeds.pl), then 'rm -rf ubuntu-tasks && make ubuntu-tasks' | 06:20 |
| cjwatson | StevenK: oh, err, yeah, I guess you do | 06:21 |
| cjwatson | sorry | 06:21 |
| StevenK | ScottK: I have a livecd-rootfs change waiting, I can upload it along with your changes? | 06:21 |
| cjwatson | maybe that was a slightly premature update | 06:21 |
| ScottK | StevenK: Yes. Please. | 06:21 |
| StevenK | Waiting for cron.germinate, anyway | 06:21 |
| cjwatson | well, that sounded like it'd happen today | 06:22 |
| StevenK | Oh well, UNR dailies have probably been broken for a few days anyway | 06:22 |
| cjwatson | feel free to temporarily revert the relevant bits of tasksel if you urgently need to | 06:22 |
| cjwatson | I'm on holiday today, just stopping in while the baby's feeding | 06:22 |
| StevenK | cjwatson: No, I just need patience. :-) | 06:22 |
| * StevenK mangles the livecd-rootfs changelog | 06:23 | |
| StevenK | ScottK: Leave your distro in the changelog set as UNRELEASED, too | 06:23 |
| ScottK | StevenK: Didn't I? | 06:23 |
| cjwatson | he did, second commit | 06:24 |
| vkfwb | ScottK: the package has been updated in Debian | 06:24 |
| StevenK | Oh, right | 06:24 |
| vkfwb | ScottK: should I ask on ubuntu-motu then ? | 06:24 |
| ScottK | vkfwb: Yes. | 06:24 |
| cjwatson | hmm, did anyone do an autosync yesterday? | 06:24 |
| vkfwb | ScottK: ok, thanks | 06:24 |
| StevenK | cjwatson: It was my archive day, and I didn't, since yesterday was effectively DIF | 06:24 |
| StevenK | cjwatson: I can handwave and run one now ... | 06:25 |
| cjwatson | vkfwb: has it? I don't see anything newer than 3.0.5-2 in Debian unstable | 06:25 |
| cjwatson | which is what we have in karmic | 06:25 |
| cjwatson | StevenK: still Thursday in your timezone :-) | 06:25 |
| ScottK | Still Thursday some places. | 06:25 |
| StevenK | cjwatson: Actually, it's 3pm Friday in my timezone | 06:25 |
| cjwatson | oh | 06:26 |
| cjwatson | sorry, mixed up then | 06:26 |
| StevenK | +10 | 06:26 |
| cjwatson | but I don't think it matters all that much ... | 06:26 |
| ebroder | Oh - random question. How can I find out why zephyr 3.0~beta.2483-2 was autosynced? It's only in unstable, not testing. Not that I'm complaining - older versions didn't build without krb v4 | 06:26 |
| StevenK | ebroder: We pull from unstable | 06:26 |
| ebroder | Oh, right. I was confusing unstable and experimental | 06:27 |
| StevenK | cjwatson: I have my finger hovering over Enter, now is the time to object to an autosyncer run | 06:27 |
| StevenK | And I can't see that Scott did two commits to livecd-rootfs | 06:28 |
| ScottK | StevenK: The 2nd one was only several tens of minutes ago. Dunno if that's relevant | 06:28 |
| * StevenK runs bzr up | 06:29 | |
| cjwatson | StevenK: run it, then we can check the .changes files before you press enter on flush-syncs :) | 06:29 |
| StevenK | cjwatson: Or selectively dump a few things before flushing :-) | 06:30 |
| cjwatson | indeed | 06:30 |
| StevenK | cjwatson: Done, there doesn't look to be anything evil | 06:33 |
| StevenK | cjwatson: But a second opinion is appreciated. | 06:33 |
| cjwatson | StevenK: could you do contrib and non-free for completeness? | 06:34 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: so you proved me wrong when I told someone that it was DIF already :) | 06:34 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: I can't help it if cjwatson overrules what I decided :-) | 06:34 |
| ajmitch | heh | 06:34 |
| ajmitch | TGIF, now I can get some stuff done :) | 06:35 |
| pitti | Good morning | 06:36 |
| ajmitch | hey pitti | 06:36 |
| StevenK | Morning pitti | 06:36 |
| * pitti waves to downunder | 06:36 | |
| ajmitch | that's a long way to wave | 06:37 |
| cjwatson | well, it *is* DIF, but we should do an autosync as close to the end as possible, IMO | 06:38 |
| cjwatson | StevenK: everything there looks OK | 06:39 |
| StevenK | cjwatson: -C contrib pulled in nothing | 06:39 |
| pitti | FYI, I did one yesterday | 06:39 |
| cjwatson | kernel-package is the only remotely scary one, but we don't use it for our kernel builds anyway | 06:39 |
| pitti | including non-free and contrib | 06:39 |
| cjwatson | oh, you did? | 06:39 |
| pitti | yeah, it was DIF, so I had the same thought as you :) | 06:40 |
| cjwatson | in that case maybe we *shouldn't* do an autosync now. I was working on the assumption that it hadn't been done yesterday. | 06:40 |
| cjwatson | StevenK: cancel my overruling :-) | 06:40 |
| StevenK | cjwatson: I'm happy to clear them out, and then whistle that we did nothing | 06:40 |
| pitti | I guess by now we need another new-binary-debian-universe run | 06:40 |
| pitti | StevenK: if you could do some NEW today, that would be appreciated; there's some stuff like policykit-1 which we need soon | 06:41 |
| pitti | (I'm the uploader, so I can't review myself) | 06:41 |
| StevenK | pitti: I spent an hour doing NEW yesterday during my archive day :-) | 06:41 |
| StevenK | pitti: But I'll happily review policykit-1 for you. | 06:42 |
| cjwatson | StevenK: yeah, pretend I never said anything I guess ;-) | 06:42 |
| * ScottK looks a bit at debian-cd and decides it's bedtime. | 06:42 | |
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| StevenK | ScottK: debian-cd is scary, yes :-) | 06:42 |
| ScottK | Yep. I'll save that step for when I'm not way short on sleep (it's nearly 2 am here). | 06:43 |
| StevenK | pitti: There looks to be some wierd control chars in your debian/changelog that less doesn't like | 06:44 |
| pitti | StevenK: no locale installed on cocoplum, I guess? | 06:47 |
| pitti | might have been a → | 06:47 |
| pitti | I often see that corruption for maintainers with accents in the name | 06:47 |
| StevenK | Ahhh, then I'll deal | 06:47 |
| pitti | it's policy compliant :) | 06:47 |
| StevenK | pitti: Given it's a version bump, it looks good. | 06:48 |
| * StevenK pushes the shiny accept button | 06:48 | |
| pitti | it's by and large a new upstream version only | 06:48 |
| pitti | StevenK: thanks! (and now perhaps policykit-1-gnome? :-) ) | 06:49 |
| pitti | same story | 06:49 |
| StevenK | pitti: I don't know ... you already owe me beer :-P | 06:49 |
| slangasek | pitti: "less -r"; has less to do with locales being installed than with charset configuration | 06:49 |
| pitti | heh | 06:49 |
| StevenK | pitti: -gnome also accepted | 06:51 |
| pitti | \o/ thanks | 06:59 |
| StevenK | pitti: I'm look at the list for stuff in universe that UNR wants -- libmono-i18n-west2.0-cil is a little suprising, since tomboy pulls that in | 07:00 |
| StevenK | pitti: And hwtest-gtk -- should UNR be using something else? | 07:00 |
| slangasek | tomboy pulls it in how? | 07:00 |
| StevenK | i tomboy Depends libmono-corlib2.0-cil (>= 1.2.2.1) | 07:01 |
| StevenK | i A libmono-corlib2.0-cil Recommends libmono-i18n-west2.0-cil | 07:01 |
| StevenK | Indirectly | 07:01 |
| slangasek | ah; so it's an existing components-mismatches issue? | 07:02 |
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| StevenK | It looks to be in components-mismatches, yes | 07:03 |
| pitti | StevenK: mono was recently split into several smaller libraries | 07:03 |
| pitti | well possible that some of them got NEWed to universe | 07:04 |
| StevenK | pitti: Happy to promote libmono-i18n-west2.0-cil | 07:04 |
| pitti | StevenK: hwtest-gtk> please use checkbox-gtk | 07:04 |
| StevenK | pitti: Okay | 07:04 |
| StevenK | pitti: gnome-themes (the source) is in main, but gnome-themes (the binary) is in universe | 07:05 |
| pitti | superm1: ok, got the rules working now; thanks for testing | 07:05 |
| pitti | StevenK: known, and intended | 07:05 |
| pitti | we only want gnome-themes-selected | 07:05 |
| pitti | does somethign pull it in? | 07:05 |
| StevenK | Yeah, UNR directly | 07:05 |
| StevenK | I'll change the seed there too | 07:05 |
| pitti | ah, thanks | 07:06 |
| StevenK | pitti: app-install-data-commercial ? | 07:06 |
| cjwatson | -partner | 07:06 |
| StevenK | Right, I thought so | 07:06 |
| cjwatson | wow, you have some ancient stuff there | 07:06 |
| cjwatson | -partner was renamed in like gutsy | 07:06 |
| slangasek | anyone else seeing launchpad problems at the moment? | 07:07 |
| cjwatson | not I | 07:07 |
| pitti | WFM | 07:08 |
| StevenK | pitti: Last one, if I'm allowed to promote libmono-i18n-west2.0-cil is hplip-cups | 07:08 |
| pitti | StevenK: promotion> sure, splitout | 07:08 |
| pitti | StevenK: binary-only promotion is generally fine | 07:08 |
| cjwatson | ... except gnome-themes ;-) | 07:09 |
| pitti | should be checked for sensibility, of course, but doesn't need MIR stuff | 07:09 |
| * cjwatson goes back to bed | 07:09 | |
| pitti | cjwatson: "back"? are you in the US? | 07:10 |
| cjwatson | no, just got woken by baby feeding | 07:10 |
| pitti | aah | 07:10 |
| pitti | see you later then! | 07:10 |
| StevenK | pitti: Promoted, thanks | 07:10 |
| cjwatson | and decided to come and do a couple of uploads I ran out of time for last night | 07:10 |
| cjwatson | not today you won't, I'm on holiday :) | 07:10 |
| pitti | ah, enjoy | 07:10 |
| dholbach | cjwatson: enjoy :) | 07:11 |
| StevenK | pitti: In regards to hplip-cups: | 07:12 |
| StevenK | i ubuntu-netbook-remix Recommends hplip | 07:12 |
| StevenK | i A hplip Recommends hplip-cups (>= 3.9.6) | 07:12 |
| pitti | seems fine to me | 07:14 |
| StevenK | pitti: But hplip is in main, and hplip-cups is in universe | 07:15 |
| pitti | looks like a recent and intended splitout to me | 07:16 |
| pitti | StevenK: "looks fine" -> I meant "for promotion" | 07:16 |
| StevenK | Oh | 07:16 |
| StevenK | Right, then let me do that | 07:16 |
| StevenK | pitti: Also done, thanks! | 07:17 |
| * StevenK peers at tix in component-mismatches and his list | 07:18 | |
| sianis | hi | 07:44 |
| sianis | fta: could you please look at this? https://answers.launchpad.net/gwibber/+question/75068 | 07:47 |
| soren | bryce: My aspell changes from way back didn't get uploaded because I wasn't core-dev at the time (probably not even MOTU either), and noone else cared enough to sponsor it. | 07:48 |
| lifeless | kirkland: still aroun? | 07:56 |
| === cprov-afk is now known as cprov | ||
| chrisccoulson | cjwatson - i'm struggling to recreate this issue you're seeing on the live CD. when i restart, i don't see the inhibit dialog flash up briefly. | 08:24 |
| chrisccoulson | i don't know if its possible for you to start a failsafe xterm session from the live CD, then manually start "gnome-session --debug", with the output saved to some permanent storage | 08:24 |
| chrisccoulson | if that's possible, then it might be worth trying to recreate it like that as there should be some indication in the log why it happens | 08:25 |
| lifeless | pitti: is your laptop fan running slower/not at all in karmic? | 08:41 |
| pitti | lifeless: no noticeable difference | 08:42 |
| pitti | it is running pretty often, the 430 tends to heat up a lot | 08:43 |
| lifeless | pitti: mine isn't, machine is thermal-tripping I think | 08:43 |
| pitti | StevenK: could I ask you to bin-NEW policykit-1? | 08:45 |
| pitti | lifeless: hm, if only I knew which bit was responsible for controlling the fan (shouldn't the computer do that itself?) | 08:47 |
| lifeless | acpi_fan I thought | 08:48 |
| lifeless | whats | 08:48 |
| lifeless | cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/temperature | 08:48 |
| lifeless | for you | 08:48 |
| lifeless | its odd, trip_points for me is 99C | 08:49 |
| lifeless | I'm going to start watching it | 08:49 |
| pitti | $ cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/temperature | 08:50 |
| pitti | temperature: 68 C | 08:50 |
| pitti | and fan is running | 08:50 |
| soren | Mine's 53 C | 08:50 |
| pitti | $ cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/trip_points | 08:50 |
| pitti | critical (S5): 99 C | 08:50 |
| lifeless | soren: is your fan running, and do you have a D430 ? | 08:50 |
| soren | ...but "acpi -V" says: Thermal 0: ok, 58.5 degrees C | 08:50 |
| soren | lifeless: Fan running. D430, yes. | 08:50 |
| lifeless | ok, my fan is either _super_ quiet or fucked | 08:51 |
| lifeless | I can't feel a breeze | 08:51 |
| lifeless | Thermal 0: ok, 51.5 degrees C | 08:51 |
| soren | lifeless: My fan is virtually always running, and I can both hear and feel it. | 08:51 |
| soren | Well, that's not too bad. | 08:51 |
| lifeless | do you have anything in /proc/acpi/fan/? | 08:51 |
| soren | I don't know when the fan usually kicks in. | 08:51 |
| soren | Nope. | 08:52 |
| pitti | lifeless: it's empty here as well | 09:00 |
| lifeless | thanks | 09:00 |
| pitti | hm, did edge just go down? | 09:10 |
| soren | pitti: Works for me. | 09:10 |
| * pitti shrugs and disables redirection | 09:11 | |
| nellery | would any of you mind posting your full output of acpi -V? | 09:18 |
| nellery | or just acpi -c | 09:19 |
| hyperair | http://pastebin.com/f36ef454e | 09:23 |
| nellery | thanks. | 09:24 |
| hyperair | hmm i wonder if my CPU can really hit 105 degrees and not burn | 09:25 |
| hyperair | as of now, it overheats and hard powers down at ~80 | 09:25 |
| nellery | mine has heating problems as of Jaunty... | 09:28 |
| nellery | regularly about 55 degrees and goes up to 81ish degrees when I do things such as build packages | 09:28 |
| hyperair | mine's always been ~55 idling | 09:53 |
| hyperair | and 75-80 when compiling | 09:53 |
| hyperair | make -j2 can cause a hard shutdown | 09:53 |
| === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan | ||
| apw | can anyone elighten me as to the meaning of an CHROOTWAIT on a PPA build? | 10:25 |
| apw | cjwatson, i wonder if you could look at this failed PPA build, if i am reading it right i suspect it may be affecting all builds: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28408818/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-amd64.linux_2.6.31-1.13apw1_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz | 10:31 |
| apw | it appears that two common build deps are colliding | 10:32 |
| === mpt_ is now known as mpt | ||
| apw | ahhh i see the problem, its not general at least ... panic over | 10:50 |
| soren | How do I specify a base revision during a merge? | 11:06 |
| soren | Whoops | 11:07 |
| soren | Wrong channel. | 11:07 |
| soren | (How did I end up in here?) | 11:07 |
| directhex | soren, you turned left at Albuquerque? | 11:09 |
| soren | I didn't. | 11:10 |
| soren | Should I have? | 11:10 |
| === ogra__ is now known as ogra | ||
| ogra | cprov, if the project cant be renamed or deleted, i'll just leave it idling and create a new one, thats fine with me ... i just didnt want to leave a mess in LP | 11:49 |
| * ogra wonders why we dont have some --help to man converter ... i.e. calling "cmd --help | helptoman > cmd.manpage" that creates a skeleton manpage with all the options and descriptions --help spits out for cmd | 11:55 | |
| hyperair | ogra: help2man | 11:55 |
| ion | :-P | 11:56 |
| hyperair | ogra: Laney generated banshee's manpage that way =p | 11:56 |
| ogra | hyperair, that works for sucha case ? | 11:56 |
| * ogra goes and tries | 11:56 | |
| hyperair | it's not exactly like that | 11:56 |
| ogra | i always thought that converts files | 11:56 |
| hyperair | but essentially it takes the output of --help and generates a manpage | 11:56 |
| hyperair | i think you give it a command, and it runs command --help, grabs output from that, and dumps a manpage | 11:56 |
| hyperair | you can even specify another argument to use in place of --help | 11:57 |
| Laney | it gives you a good starting point | 11:57 |
| hyperair | mmhmm | 11:58 |
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| ogra | yeah, looks ok | 11:59 |
| ogra | thanks ! | 11:59 |
| * ogra wishes KVM would recognize his external display on boot | 12:14 | |
| ogra | err | 12:15 |
| ogra | s/KVM/KMS/ | 12:15 |
| ogra | damned abreviations | 12:15 |
| geser | does somebody know how I can figure out, why I'm missing the ACLs e.g. on the sound device files in karmic? it's getting nasty to issue a setfacl when I want to use my smart card reader or hear music | 12:24 |
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| ion | Wait, what? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Specs/KarmicSSD?action=diff&rev1=11&rev2=12 “Using the most appropriate log structured file system, such as ext4.” | 13:23 |
| hyperair | ext4 is log structured now? | 13:25 |
| * ogra points ion to cking_, | 13:25 | |
| cking_ | call it a typo. | 13:25 |
| hyperair | heh' | 13:25 |
| Ng | can I run apport for a single process rather than enabling it system-wide? | 13:32 |
| Ng | nm | 13:34 |
| pitti | Ng: not that easily, I'm afraid, since it hooks into the kernel | 13:34 |
| Ng | pitti: yeah | 13:34 |
| pitti | Ng: you don't need to enable it in /etc, though, you can do sudo force_start=1 /etc/init.d/apport start | 13:34 |
| Ng | oh nice | 13:35 |
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| kirkland | lifeless: hi there, i'm back now | 13:52 |
| kirkland | lifeless: sorry i missed earlier, was away for the evening | 13:53 |
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| lool | Geez empathy pulls the whole geoclue stuff | 14:50 |
| ogra | cprov, "The name 'rootstock' has been blocked by the Launchpad administrators." | 14:57 |
| cprov | ogra: let me check | 14:57 |
| ogra | thanks | 14:57 |
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| cprov | ogra: anything matching '^root' is blacklisted. | 15:01 |
| ogra | gah | 15:01 |
| ogra | lool, ^^^^ :P | 15:01 |
| ogra | cprov, any way around that ? | 15:02 |
| ogra | it took us two weeks of discussion to find the name ... | 15:03 |
| cprov | ogra: no, unfortunately | 15:03 |
| ogra | sigh, ok | 15:03 |
| cprov | ogra: you can always use 'project-rootstock' :-/ | 15:03 |
| ogra | yeah, i'll do that | 15:03 |
| cjwatson | apw: chrootwait on linux> looks bad; check the two packages to see if there really is a file conflict. I'm on holiday today though. I suggest looking for infinity or somebody else on #is if it needs manual recovery. | 15:04 |
| apw | cjwatson, panic was avoided, it was from my own previous package, but luckil;y prevented that being uploaded into the archive and getting the problem for real! | 15:05 |
| Keybuk | heh, I just found the wiki page that explained all of the silly release names I gave dpkg | 15:06 |
| cjwatson | apw: oh, that was your PPA - OK | 15:06 |
| apw | what was odd, was i had deleted those packages so didn't expect them to be usable, so i thought it had to be main archive packages. keybuk disabused me of that notion and it got fixed in time | 15:07 |
| apw | it was a lot of luck though, as that might have gotten uploaded to the real archive if i'd not had that overlap, so a bit of luck on our side for a change | 15:08 |
| pitti | mterry: \o/ | 15:11 |
| mterry | pitti, that was easier than I thought | 15:12 |
| pitti | mterry: so, instead of adding this to acpi-support, we should just grab that patch into dk-p right away | 15:12 |
| pitti | (IMHO) | 15:12 |
| pitti | and clean up acpi-support further instead | 15:13 |
| mterry | pitti, Yeah, I'm patching my acpi branch now | 15:13 |
| pitti | mterry: want me to upload new dk-p? | 15:13 |
| mterry | pitti, yeah, please. Thanks | 15:13 |
| pitti | mterry: uploaded | 15:19 |
| mterry | pitti, cool | 15:21 |
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| asac | anyone has a bridge setup in /etc/network/interfaces and could post it? | 15:52 |
| asac | thx | 15:52 |
| soren | asac: What do you want it to do? I have several. | 15:52 |
| soren | asac: Should it be connected to a real interface, or is it for virtual networking only? | 15:53 |
| asac | soren: paste all with a quick explanation | 15:53 |
| ogra | soren, dont ! else NM will grow bridge support quickly !!! | 15:55 |
| asac | yay | 15:55 |
| ogra | :) | 15:56 |
| asac | no chance to keeping it out of server soon ;) | 15:56 |
| ogra | haha | 15:56 |
| ogra | and soren is at fault :P | 15:56 |
| soren | asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/204307/ | 15:56 |
| soren | asac: Apologies for typos, if any. It's not copied from anywhere, I just typed it in. | 15:57 |
| soren | ogra: I've been shouting for bridge support in network-manager for a long time. | 15:57 |
| lool | asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/204308/ | 15:57 |
| lool | soren: NM upstream blogged about that coming up soon | 15:58 |
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| lool | (briding and ipv6) | 15:58 |
| soren | lool: About time :) | 15:58 |
| soren | asac: Is that useful, or do you need more explanation? | 15:58 |
| asac | soren: in that example, what sets the IP address of extbr0? | 16:02 |
| asac | soren: oh its dhcp | 16:02 |
| asac | so thanks. all fine. | 16:03 |
| slangasek | mterry: hopefully I'll catch up on bug #385949 today | 16:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 385949 in pm-utils "ACPI Cleanup: Remove ac.d and battery.d" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/385949 | 16:12 |
| mterry | slangasek, cool. things fell into place today, so everything's ready, but there's no rush | 16:12 |
| slangasek | mterry: btw, your DEP5 conversion is incorrect - Thom May is not a copyright holder on this package | 16:13 |
| slangasek | yep - I was more or less waiting for the pm-fwibble part to be addressed before changing acpi-support, now I have no excuse not to finish the merge :) | 16:13 |
| mterry | slangasek, ah, whoops on the DEP5. I thought I just ported the old copyright notices, but adjust as you see fit | 16:13 |
| slangasek | mterry: the old line said 'Author', not 'copyright' :) | 16:14 |
| soren | asac: Any time. | 16:14 |
| mterry | slangasek, so either he assigned his copyright or it should have said "inspired by" not "author", eh? cause if he was an author, it's automatic copyright | 16:15 |
| mterry | slangasek, but I don't know his involvement; that's just why I put him down | 16:16 |
| slangasek | mterry: no, it's work-for-hire | 16:18 |
| slangasek | he worked for Canonical | 16:18 |
| slangasek | as the email address suggests | 16:18 |
| mterry | slangasek, ah, k. my bad | 16:19 |
| slangasek | bryce: do we have the new intel-gpu-tools jbarnes mentions in https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22359 ? I have a fresh crash here | 16:41 |
| ubottu | Freedesktop bug 22359 in Driver/intel "[i945GM] freeze in karmic (no kms)" [Major,New] | 16:42 |
| pitti | nixternal, Riddell: jockey currently uses pykdeuic to build *.ui into *.py and ship the latter, while apport currently ships *.ui and loads them directly; what approach is more standard and recommended in KDE nowadays? | 16:45 |
| * ScottK wonders if agateau knows? ^^ | 16:47 | |
| agateau | ScottK: pitti: using uic to build *.ui into *.cpp :/ | 16:48 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 16:49 |
| agateau | I am not sure there is a recommended way for Python ATM | 16:49 |
| agateau | there aren't that much Python code in kdesvn for now | 16:49 |
| agateau | I for one always turn the ui into py | 16:49 |
| pitti | agateau: ... and for Python? :-) | 16:49 |
| pitti | agateau: so, loading them at runtime is discouraged? | 16:49 |
| pitti | ok, thanks | 16:49 |
| agateau | but that maybe my C++ background | 16:49 |
| pitti | nixternal's apport KDE port loads them directly, so I wondered | 16:50 |
| agateau | I believe we can say using pyuic or uic is more common | 16:51 |
| agateau | since even C++ app could load them directly | 16:51 |
| agateau | and very few kde apps do so | 16:51 |
| pitti | slangasek: I meant that most of the event scripts in acpi-support are probably redundant nowadays, since all other distros have these fixed in the kernel? | 16:53 |
| slangasek | pitti: yes, *most* of them are, but I'm not going to go ripping them all out when it's possible to tell which ones are redundant by reading what they do | 16:57 |
| slangasek | i.e., I'm not going to have my wireless toggle pulled out from under me | 16:57 |
| pkt | what is the deal with konq-plugins? | 17:01 |
| pkt | the konq-plugins source package produces both konq-plugins and a number of standalone plugins | 17:01 |
| ScottK | pkt: #kubuntu-devel is a better channel for that question. | 17:01 |
| pkt | now e.g., konq-plugins and konqueror-plugin-searchbar conflict with eachother | 17:01 |
| pkt | oh, there is a kubuntu-devel? sorry :) | 17:02 |
| Fenix|work | Greetings and salutations! | 17:04 |
| slangasek | kirkland: give me a design that lets us separate critical auth logs from non-critical ones...? | 17:10 |
| lool | kirkland: Why not do a freshness check on update-motd data on login and refresh it if needs be? | 17:10 |
| lool | Would that be too slow? | 17:11 |
| kirkland | lool: depends on the consumers of update-motd | 17:12 |
| kirkland | slangasek: Jun 26 10:10:01 t61p /USR/SBIN/CRON[14584]: (root) CMD ([ -x /usr/sbin/update-motd ] && /usr/sbin/update-motd 2>/dev/null) | 17:13 |
| kirkland | slangasek: that seems more appropriate to log in a cron log | 17:13 |
| kirkland | slangasek: rather than /var/log/syslog | 17:13 |
| kirkland | slangasek: and /var/log/cronlog could be asynch | 17:13 |
| slangasek | kirkland: that's not the PAM log in question | 17:19 |
| kirkland | slangasek: oh? | 17:19 |
| kirkland | slangasek: which one? | 17:19 |
| slangasek | Jun 26 09:10:01 dario CRON[6777]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0) | 17:19 |
| slangasek | Jun 26 09:10:06 dario CRON[6777]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root | 17:20 |
| kirkland | slangasek: okay, question for you ... | 17:20 |
| Fenix|work | is anyone involved with dmraid here? | 17:20 |
| kirkland | slangasek: what if i added update-motd [--enable-cron|--disable-cron|--enable-inotify|--disable-inotify] options, where the cron ones would add/remove a symlink at /etc/cron.d/update-motd which pointed to the configuration in /usr/share/update-motd | 17:21 |
| kirkland | slangasek: and something similar for the inotify bits | 17:21 |
| kirkland | slangasek: would that sort of modification of /etc by a utility be acceptable? | 17:22 |
| kirkland | slangasek: you could tweak your config with: update-motd --disable-cron --enable-inotify | 17:23 |
| slangasek | kirkland: acceptable, but feels kinda rube goldberg, and I would never run that command by hand on my system | 17:23 |
| kirkland | slangasek: which might tell you "iwatch: command not found; sudo apt-get install iwatch" | 17:23 |
| kirkland | slangasek: that would only be there until we had an inotifyd in main that update-motd could depend on | 17:23 |
| kirkland | slangasek: at which point, the default becomes inotify | 17:24 |
| kirkland | slangasek: we could alternatively have a config file and an init script | 17:24 |
| kirkland | slangasek: /etc/update-motd.config has METHOD=cron|inotify | 17:25 |
| slangasek | kirkland: I just don't think any of that is worth the effort, because it's only the default behavior that interests me. | 17:25 |
| slangasek | if I'm going to deviate from the defaults, I don't need a command to do that - I can just rip out the package and/or the cronjob | 17:25 |
| kirkland | slangasek: true | 17:25 |
| bryce | slangasek, yep they're in karmic now (in universe) | 17:26 |
| kirkland | slangasek: i could make update-motd a proper daemon | 17:26 |
| kirkland | slangasek: and kill the cronjob | 17:26 |
| slangasek | bryce: ok; what's the relevant version number? | 17:26 |
| slangasek | kirkland: again, why is that worth doing when the proper solution is 6 months away? | 17:26 |
| kirkland | slangasek: what do you suggest, then for karmic? | 17:26 |
| slangasek | kirkland: accept that I'm going to continue to be cranky about it? :-) | 17:27 |
| * kirkland tries waaaaay to hard to please users | 17:27 | |
| bryce | intel-gpu-tools | 1.0.1-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic/universe Packages | 17:27 |
| bryce | there's apparently a new version but I've not pulled that in yet | 17:27 |
| slangasek | bryce: right, the new version is what jbarnes mentioned | 17:28 |
| Keybuk | kirkland: maybe I'm missing something, but this really doesn't seem like it's something that _has_ to land for karmic? | 17:30 |
| kirkland | Keybuk: no, not at all | 17:31 |
| Keybuk | are there genuinely omg-critical problems caused by update-motd not being as quite up-to-date as it could be? | 17:31 |
| kirkland | Keybuk: i don't think that's the issue | 17:31 |
| Keybuk | what's the issue? | 17:31 |
| kirkland | Keybuk: i think the issue is the cronjob that wakes up the disk to write the pam log | 17:31 |
| Keybuk | how's that any different to anything else? | 17:32 |
| Keybuk | an inotify daemon is going to wake the disk up <g> | 17:32 |
| Keybuk | if people don't want their disk woken up for writes, they can turn laptop-mode on | 17:32 |
| Keybuk | or disable syslog | 17:32 |
| slangasek | "disable syslog" - meh | 17:34 |
| slangasek | Keybuk: the issue is that when you have the cronjob, you have a guaranteed disk wake-up once every 10 minutes just to write the synchronous log entry to /var/log/auth.log, whether or not update-motd has anything to do | 17:34 |
| slangasek | I am not asserting this is omg-critical | 17:34 |
| Keybuk | Upstart will have exactly the same issue though | 17:34 |
| slangasek | upstart is going to call pam_open_session() once every 10 minutes? | 17:35 |
| Keybuk | slangasek: it'll call pam_open_session() whenever it needs to run something as a specific user | 17:35 |
| Keybuk | so if update-motd is running as non-root, it'll still do it | 17:35 |
| slangasek | er, but the idea is that update-motd should only be called when there's something to update? | 17:36 |
| Keybuk | right | 17:36 |
| slangasek | so that should be less frequently than the current 10-minute cycle | 17:36 |
| Keybuk | sure | 17:37 |
| slangasek | then that satisfies my need for beauty :) | 17:37 |
| Keybuk | please tell me cron isn't doing pam_open_session() for things in /etc/cron.d _just_ to source /etc/environment | 17:38 |
| Fenix|work | Has anything changed in dmraid in the last couple of months? Ubuntu now sees my ASR array with a different name that's padded with lots of spaces and won't mount the partitions. | 17:40 |
| kirkland | Fenix|work: possible TheMuso could help, but he's likely gone for the weekend | 17:41 |
| slangasek | Keybuk: no, it's doing it because that's the right thing to do when starting a session of any sort as another user | 17:41 |
| slangasek | it also calls it for pam_limits... :) | 17:42 |
| Keybuk | slangasek: shall we debate whether things in /etc/cron.d are the root user's cronjobs, or system cron jobs | 17:43 |
| Keybuk | where root user cronjobs should obviously be run under a PAM session | 17:43 |
| Fenix|work | kirkland, I sent him an email but received no response. I don't want to file a bug in launchpad because I don't think it's a bug... but my home server is kinda screwed now as it won't boot. My array went from being 'asr', 'asr_1 and 'asr_5' to 'asr_OS ', 'asr_OS 1' and 'asr_OS 5'. It's really wierd. | 17:43 |
| Keybuk | while system cron jobs arguably shouldn't be? :p | 17:43 |
| slangasek | Keybuk: cron.d/ follows the crontab syntax that includes specifying a username, and root isn't special-cased | 17:44 |
| slangasek | (yes, we shall debate this :-) | 17:44 |
| kirkland | Fenix|work: it's probably okay to just file a bug; he'll mark it invalid if it is | 17:44 |
| Keybuk | slangasek: do you think it should behave that way? | 17:44 |
| Fenix|work | kirkland, dumb question here, but I haven't been able to find an answer to it. Is there any way to rename a dmraid array? :) | 17:44 |
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| Fenix|work | if I can rename it, then I can leav TheMuso alone... when he's awake, I'm sleeping. :) | 17:45 |
| Keybuk | slangasek: Upstart makes a distinction between things that are "system" and things that are "user's" | 17:46 |
| slangasek | Keybuk: I'm uncertain. Conceivably, pam_open_session() could be used to apply settings (such as ulimits) to root cronjobs that aren't meant to apply to the cron daemon itself | 17:46 |
| Keybuk | since it wouldn't make any sense to call pam_open_session() when starting apache, for example | 17:46 |
| hyperair | hmm so i hear that a Scott was singing eye of the tiger O_o | 17:47 |
| Keybuk | then again, Upstart also allows things like limits to be specified in the job | 17:48 |
| slangasek | blech :) | 17:48 |
| Keybuk | blech? | 17:48 |
| ogra | hyperair, the other scott | 17:48 |
| hyperair | which Scott? | 17:49 |
| * Keybuk doesn't sing | 17:49 | |
| slangasek | Keybuk: as if pam_limits wasn't confusing enough, without the possibility of interaction with upstart job settings | 17:49 |
| Keybuk | slangasek: oh, that's easy ;) | 17:50 |
| Keybuk | slangasek: pam settings override upstart if the job calls for a pam session | 17:50 |
| slangasek | there's nothing easy about pam_limits :( | 17:51 |
| Keybuk | the idea is that you specify the default sane environment in init | 17:51 |
| slangasek | anyway, I think I'd be ok with a cron implementation that skipped PAM sessioning for root jobs, as long as we got the Debian maintainer on board as well so behavior isn't gratuitously different between the two | 17:52 |
| Keybuk | and PAM thus applies policy | 17:52 |
| slangasek | well, ok | 17:52 |
| slangasek | note that one of the things our pam_limits does is reset all limits to the kernel default, though | 17:52 |
| Keybuk | slangasek: probably a better way would be just to have upstart open pam sessions for cronjobs from /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d | 17:52 |
| slangasek | before applying any other settings from /etc/security/limits.conf | 17:52 |
| Keybuk | and not open pam sessions for temporal jobs specified in /etc/init | 17:52 |
| Keybuk | slangasek: how does it know what the kernel default is? | 17:52 |
| slangasek | it encodes it :P | 17:53 |
| Keybuk | because one thing I found quite quicky is that the kernel default is not the same as what you get when you reset the settings ;) | 17:53 |
| slangasek | and then every few months I get bug reports telling me the kernel has changed :P | 17:53 |
| Keybuk | ahh :p | 17:53 |
| slangasek | "reset"? | 17:53 |
| * Keybuk decides not to worry about PAM interaction for now | 17:56 | |
| cjwatson | pitti: thanks, fixing that ubiquity bug now | 17:57 |
| * cjwatson contemplates running py_compilefiles on everything at build time | 17:57 | |
| kees | slangasek: what about having some crackful early-start process write ot /var/run with kernel RLIMIT defaults it will read? | 17:57 |
| fta | doko, is binutils-gold usable on lpia? seems broken here | 18:00 |
| fta | doko, dpkg-divert: `diversion of /usr/bin/ld to /usr/bin/ld.single by binutils-gold' clashes with `diversion of /usr/bin/ld to /usr/bin/ld.real by lpia-wrapper' | 18:00 |
| fta | doko, from http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28419299/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-lpia.chromium-browser_3.0.191.0~svn20090626r19361-0ubuntu1~ucd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 18:00 |
| slangasek | kees: would be simpler than the current behavior, but adds a dependency on an external process for correct operation of pam_limits; I'm ambivalent | 18:05 |
| kees | slangasek: yeah; I like the idea of it working with whatever the kernel decides to do, making PAM kernel-version-agnostic (at least in this regard), and it could maybe be just a quick init-script. perhaps PAM could fall-back when the file doesn't exist? hrm. | 18:06 |
| kees | /var/run/no,really...limits.conf | 18:07 |
| slangasek | kees: I'm operating on the theory that where limits differ between kernel versions this is due to bugfixes, so tracking the latest kernel behavior is preferred | 18:08 |
| kees | slangasek: hmm, okay, I can accept that. the trouble is noticing when it changes. | 18:16 |
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| Sarvatt | whats the proper way to adjust module parameters and add/remove them upon plugging in or going on battery power if ac.d and battery.d are removed from acpi-support? i've been adjusting the txpower and enabling power save for wifi and removing webcam/nic modules through scripts in there | 19:38 |
| nhandler | cjwatson: When you get a chance, could you update http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/ubuntu-policy/policy.html/ ? It is still for version 3.8.0.1ubuntu4 | 20:26 |
| brainsonfire | hi, i hope someone here might have an idea on this issue. my usb mouse doesnt work in jaunty (tried 2 different laptops), but it works in gutsy | 20:31 |
| brainsonfire | here my Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/m39d73628 | 20:31 |
| brainsonfire | xinput recognizes 2 devices when i plug it in, first one being a mouse, second one a keyboard (?) | 20:31 |
| brainsonfire | the mouse works for a split second then stops but the light keeps glowing | 20:31 |
| brainsonfire | mouse shows up in lsusb | 20:32 |
| brainsonfire | hal-devices shows 3 devices | 20:32 |
| brainsonfire | i have no clue how to debug/influence this behaviour | 20:33 |
| brainsonfire | ill try installing xserver-xorg-input-evdev and -mouse from karmic | 20:35 |
| slangasek | mterry: did you forget a bzr push? I still see pm-powersave in your acpi-support branch | 20:40 |
| slangasek | mterry: I'll merge up what you have so far, but wait for confirmation before uploading | 20:41 |
| mterry | slangasek, acpi-support still calls pm-powersave in the no-power-manager case | 20:41 |
| mterry | slangasek, just a fallback | 20:41 |
| slangasek | ok | 20:41 |
| slangasek | mterry: btw, svn revision 54 of DEP5 includes arbitrary changes that were not publicly discussed, and have been reverted | 20:52 |
| slangasek | mterry: please use a better one :) | 20:52 |
| slangasek | s/better/newer/ | 20:52 |
| mterry | slangasek, ah, will re-examine the spec | 20:53 |
| James_P | hey guys | 20:53 |
| mterry | slangasek, trying to be helpful with that dep5 conversion, didn't mean to make so much work :) | 20:54 |
| slangasek | mterry: well, these are precisely the issues that have held up the dep5 stuff generally :/ | 20:54 |
| mterry | slangasek, man, it's weird that the recentchanges feed is for all DEPs; doesn't seem scalable | 20:55 |
| ScottK | mterry: It might more productive to not bother with conversion until there is a stable format to convert to. | 20:55 |
| mterry | ScottK: Yeah... didn't want to wait for fossilized spec, but thought it was more stable than it was | 20:56 |
| James_P | I *know* this channel specifically isn't for support, but I have a strange problem, and you're welcome to tell me to leave. I'm quite comfortable with a command line though, and I thought it may be a kernel upgrade causing it | 20:56 |
| James_P | It's just, my mouse doesn't work. It's a USB mouse, lsusb identifies it, and catting /dev/psaux shows nothing - any hints? | 20:58 |
| mterry | James_P, try #ubuntu | 21:03 |
| mterry | James_P, that is the official support channel | 21:03 |
| James_P | it is indeed, i've helped out a fair few people there in the past with various things. however, i was just hoping for some hints as to how the kernel detects the mouse and maps it to /dev/psaux | 21:05 |
| mterry | James_P, I don't know, myself. best I have to is to look at /dev/input/* stuff too | 21:26 |
| James_P | mterry, thanks, i'll check that. thank you :) | 21:28 |
| fta | doko, apparently, i can't build ffmpeg with ld gold, it fails in configure when trying gcc, the binaries are created in 644 mode (without x) | 22:15 |
| slangasek | Keybuk: I thought the new upstart was going to be out before I got home? :) | 23:06 |
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| === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk | ||
| ScottK-desktop | Does generating a new readaheadlist profile subtantially slow down the boot process? | 23:35 |
| ScottK-desktop | Either it does or something has gone horribly wrong here .... | 23:35 |
| soren | ScottK-desktop: It does. | 23:36 |
| ScottK-desktop | soren: Thanks (first time I've tried it). | 23:37 |
| glick | excuse me, is it a bug, people tell me to change my hostname to go to system>administration>networking | 23:41 |
| glick | but thre is no such tab | 23:41 |
| glick | i have "network tools" but it has no "general" tab | 23:42 |
| ebroder | glick: Use #ubuntu for support | 23:43 |
| glick | ebroder, yeah they keep telling me about an option i dont have, so i was wondering if its a bug or something | 23:44 |
| ebroder | glick: Did you try mentioning that you don't have it? | 23:45 |
| * glick sigh, yeah | 23:46 | |
| glick | its okay, thanks | 23:46 |
| ebroder | glick: Network tools isn't the right application | 23:46 |
| ebroder | It could be that you're just running an older version of Ubuntu or something | 23:46 |
| glick | im running jaunty | 23:46 |
| ajmitch | win 21 | 23:47 |
| * ebroder switches to a jaunty machine | 23:49 | |
| ebroder | glick: I don't really use graphical Ubuntu, so I'm not sure what the right way to do this is. If you want to get a networking pref app, you can install gnome-network-admin. I'm not sure if it's intentionally not installed or if something's supposed to take it's place or what | 23:51 |
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