[00:05] <Sarvatt> dtchen: got a patch for nvidia on 31 too that works for me -- http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=37305&d=1245688007
[00:21] <nick_schembri> cjwatson: thank you for looking that up. Will keep testing until it fails. . :)
[02:28] <dtchen> Sarvatt: site seems very sluggish ATM
[08:42] <kdub> do we even care about bugs filed for dapper?
[08:43] <hyperair> not if they don't apply anymore
[08:44] <kdub> oh, so check to see if they still apply
[08:44] <hyperair> mmhmm
[08:44] <hyperair> basically check if it exists on karmic
[08:45] <smb> kdub, Only if they are critical
[08:45] <smb> But if the bug still persists in karmic we try to get it fixed in upstream and karmic
[08:47] <hyperair> i thought dapper's support period ended?
[08:50] <smb> hyperair, No, dapper is LTS, so it is still in support. But the acceptable changes are somewhat limited. But it still gets security updates
[08:51] <smb> Actually support for Desktop ends this month... :)
[08:51] <dme> account on
[08:52] <smb> hyperair, Server goes till 2011
[08:52] <kdub> a fair amount of bugs say "this one piec of hardware doesnt work". is there any way to look into that w/o that hardware?
[08:53] <hyperair> smb: i see. that sure is long indeed. O_o
[08:53] <dme> ng
[08:54] <smb> kdub, That is the harder part. Mostly the approach is to let them try latest kernel versions (mainline builds) to see whether it does then
[08:55] <smb> kdub, If it does, find the part/driver which supports it and see what changed there
[08:57] <smb> If not, could it be a missing id or something simple. Otherwise it might need an upstream bugzilla. And all depends on how much information it is possible to get from the reporter
[08:58] <smb> hyperair, It is. Squeezing (backporting) some of the security updates gets harder by time...
[09:08] <hyperair> smb: i can imagine.
[12:51] <apw> there are a bunch of deprecated interfaces in ndiswrapper whihch just got dropped finally so its a bit hosed
[12:51] <apw> (at least the version we have) 
[16:49] <mdz> apw: since we aren't using lrm anymore, can it be removed from karmic?  it seems to still be in the archive
[16:50] <rtg> mdz: was it automatically copied when the archive was opened?
[16:50]  * apw is beaten to it
[16:50] <rtg> mdz: regardless, it can be removed.
[16:55] <mdz> rtg: when we start working on a new release, it starts off containing all the same things that the previous release had
[16:56] <mdz> once a package is in the archive, it stays there unless someone removes it
[16:56] <mdz> rtg: instructions for how to request that it be removed are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PackageArchive#Removing%20Packages
 rtg whats the status of karmic linux-meta, i think i heard you changing it?
[16:57] <rtg> apw: no, I was working on the meta package backport to Hardy
[16:57] <rtg> Karmic meta should be OK
[16:57] <apw> ahh nice ... then i am clear to update karmic meta etc.
[16:57] <rtg> AFAIK
[16:58] <infinity> rtg: Don't bother filing a bug, I'm removing it right now.
[16:58] <apw> i think my rebase is good, compiles for me on i386, amd64, lpia and armel
[16:58] <rtg> infinity: thanks
[16:58] <apw> so i'll push the git repo on that pretty much now, and perhaps you could give it the once over visually
[16:58] <infinity> rtg: Done.
[16:59] <mdz> RIP
[16:59] <infinity> Indeed.
[16:59] <rtg> long live LRM !
[16:59] <infinity> The number of hours of blood, sweat, and more blood that I put into LRM will not be soon forgotten. :P
[17:00] <infinity> On the other hand, good riddance to binutils-static.
[17:00] <mdz> hmm, does this mean that the Ubuntu CD is now 100% free software again?
[17:00] <rtg> infinity: and run-time linking
[17:00] <rtg> mdz: we still seed binary blobs in DKMS packages
[17:00] <rtg> nVidia, etc
[17:01] <mdz> rtg: what are the names of the binary packages?
[17:01] <infinity> nvidia-180-kernel-source, for instance, but that's not on the CD.
[17:02] <infinity> Pretty sure we've kicked restricted off the CD, no?
[17:02] <rtg> infinity: its not? oh.
[17:02] <rtg> mdz: ok, maybe I'm all wet. 
[17:03] <infinity> I see no nvidia junk seeded anymore.
[17:03] <apw> so we now see the free drivers as good enough for testing and the installer at least
[17:04] <infinity> Or I'm blind, which is possible while distracted with meetings. :)
[17:04] <mdz> there are some on the DVD still
[17:04] <infinity> apw: nouveau and radeon are much-improved lately.  I still run nvidia, but I'm a 3D game junkie.
[17:05] <apw> yeah, not that nouveau is likely to be in the kernel
[17:05] <rtg> apw: you pushed Karmic yet? I'm getting close to blasting off
[17:05] <apw> its pushing as we speak, uplink is not as hot as it could be
[17:06] <rtg> apw: nor is mine. damned asymmetric links
[17:06] <apw> yeah, and here my down is a bit pants today too, seems there was a lot of noise when the adsl sync'd and theres no button to resync it without rebooting my router
[17:47] <cwillu_clone> mainline site doesn't seem to have any recent x86 builds
[17:47] <cwillu_clone> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/2009-06-19/, the 31-rc1, etc
[17:47] <cwillu_clone> Sarvatt, which kernel did you want me to download from your site again?
[23:49] <TheMuso> apw: I do not expect you to update ports configs, thats why it was all separated in the first place.