[00:00] <Flannel> This is all a gigantic circular reference at this point
[00:00] <Seeker`> "He was rushed by ambulance to a local medical centre, but his death was announced shortly afterwards."
[00:00] <Flannel> Like that wikipedia vandalism/self citation thing.
[00:01] <ikonia> well, bed time, the news has "drained" me ;)
[00:01] <Flannel> Heck, that title is even suspect: "Singer Michael Jackson 'is dead'"
[00:01] <Flannel> Why would you quote that if you had accurate reports?
[00:01] <Seeker`> BBC does that for all of their articles
[00:02] <ikonia> 23:59 -!- Kanappa [n=Kanappa@h49n1fls32o823.telia.com] has quit [K-lined]
[00:02] <ikonia> fyi: I'll remove the ban
[00:02] <bazhang> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic Cornmuffin is Grenfell Traveler4
[00:04] <mc44> hello lovely operator friends!
[00:04] <Flannel> mc44: He was warned, I'm keeping an eye on him
[00:04] <bazhang> hi!
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[00:04] <Flannel> Er
[00:04] <mc44> he just pm'd me
[00:04] <Flannel> When did he say that?
[00:04] <Flannel> Ah
[00:06] <Flannel> mc44: Let us know if there's additional hostilities, thanks.
[00:06] <mc44> I won't be replying, so hopefully not ;p
[00:07] <Flannel> Right, we all hope not, but who knows.
[00:07] <mc44> It's ok, he'll probably not do anything for a few days until he gets banned again, for the 13th time
[00:07] <mc44> fun times!
[00:17] <tomaw> do we know what's doing that?
[00:17] <Flannel> Doing what?
[00:18] <tomaw> someone is dcc exploiting people in channels
[00:18] <tomaw> although he seems to have stopped
[00:38] <Flannel> ubottu: tell SeaPhor about away
[01:57] <bazhang> trolling in #k (joshua__)
[04:29] <Pici> I need to go relax, so I cannot watch #ubuntu now
[04:29] <tritium> Good evening.
[04:30] <Pici> We'll see ;)
[04:30] <Pici> goodnight
[04:30] <tritium> Good night, Pici.
[04:49] <tritium> Hi, Flannel.
[04:49] <Flannel> Howdy tritium
[04:50] <tritium> I flew through San Diego yesterday.
[04:50] <Flannel> connection at SAN? that's odd.
[04:51] <tritium> Yeah, no direct flights from ABQ to San Jose.  San Diego is one of the connections.
[04:51] <Flannel> Go figure.  What are you doing in SJ?
[04:51] <tritium> Business trip.
[04:51] <Flannel> OSCON and stuff aren't for a few weeks
[04:51] <Flannel> Ah
[05:03] <tritium> We need more ops for #ubuntu-us.
[05:06] <bazhang> whoa he was trolling there too?
[05:06] <tritium> yes
[06:22] <elky_work> been much celeb death trolling?
[06:23] <bazhang> minor, really
[06:23] <Tm_T> only one I have sen
[06:27] <Flannel> Howdy boredandblogging
[06:28] <boredandblogging> hi Flannel
[08:14] <jussi01> penisland... grant-a grow up... :/
[08:15] <Flannel> Sometimes I think we ought to have a "no talking for the sake of hearing yourself talk" clause.
[08:15] <Flannel> And that it'd solve a lot of our problems
[08:21] <jussi01> Flannel: haha
[08:33] <Flannel> Is Thursday night "lets be difficult because we can" night?
[08:50] <Myrtti> GUYS, can you take that discussion elsewhere? Flannel, ikonia?
[08:50] <ikonia> it's about to
[08:56] <topyli> Myrtti: nice touch
[08:57] <Flannel> Unfortunately, we can't !opsnack, since ubottu isn't +v
[08:57] <Flannel> eh, I suppose that can be fixed, but so much hassle.
[09:20] <Flannel> Hi ebel, how can we help you today?
[09:20] <ebel> I thought this might be for website ops.
[09:20] <ebel> Our (http://www.ubuntu-ie.org) website is down this morning.
[09:21]  * ebel was trying #ubuntu-loco, #ubuntu-ops :P
[09:21] <Flannel> Oh, hmm, I don't know where you'd go.  Try #ubuntu-locoteams
[09:21] <Flannel> and they'll likely know where to direct you
[09:21] <ebel> yeah think I'm making progress, thanks :)
[10:20] <jussi01> bollocks
[10:24] <bazhang> ?
[10:25] <bazhang> oh.
[10:33] <bazhang> who was the user who came in daily and said, 'another day, another epic Ubuntu fail'
[10:34] <Flannel> Referring to -bugs?
[10:34] <Flannel> Oh, no.
[10:34] <bazhang> #ubuntu Flannel 
[10:35] <bazhang> joop12 seems to have replaced him, or is him
[10:35] <Flannel> Oh, he's in -bugs too
[10:35] <Flannel> !away > faildog 
[10:35] <Myrtti> epic fail as a phrase isn't that uncommon
[10:35] <bazhang> Lim-somethine
[10:36] <bazhang> sure it's not, but entering that way was his signature
[10:37] <bazhang> Limcore
[10:38] <Flannel> I doubt its the same person
[10:45] <jussi01> meh
[10:46] <jussi01> who cares, if its a problem, we will deal with it, enough of the conspiracy theories...
[10:47] <jussi01> did I mention I hate ati?
[10:48] <bazhang> not a conspiracy theory, just pointing out his comments
[10:51] <jussi01> nah, you were suggesting that he was limcore, a known troll, that is the theory. lets stick to facts...
[10:51] <bazhang> pointing out the similarity, but whatever.
[11:12] <dikdik> sad news guys
[11:12] <dikdik> i learned today that the King of Pop has passed away :(
[11:13] <Myrtti> sad news, you're banned from #ubuntu
[11:13] <Myrtti> and if you were to enter that channel, that topic would be offtopic there
[11:14] <dikdik> where were you, myrtti, when you heard the terrible news?
[11:14] <Myrtti> dikdik: none of your business.
[11:14] <dikdik> did you see it on one of the screens in times square?
[11:14] <dikdik> were you standing on top of the eiffel tower with your lover?
[11:14] <Myrtti> dikdik: this is not a social channel
[11:15] <dikdik> perhaps you were relaxing on the beach, on a perfect summer day, when a loved one's tearful phone call conveyed the tragic news.
[11:15] <Myrtti> dikdik: go away
[11:16] <elky> seriously not in the mood for those morons.
[11:16] <elky> trolls with naughty idents.
[11:27] <ikonia> it's been a week of jerks to be honest
[11:27] <Mamarok> indeed
[11:31] <Flannel> On the flip side, we've had some good people as well.
[11:33] <ikonia> Flannel: yeah a few good ondes
[11:33] <ikonia> ones
[12:10] <bazhang> whoa an automatix request
[13:49] <Pici> I feel like setting up a trigger to autoban on lmgtfy links
[13:49] <Tm_T> do it, but don't blame me then (;)
[13:53] <Myrtti> Pici: you have my 100% support
[13:53] <bazhang> please do it.
[13:54] <Pici> I'll put it on hilight for now
[13:54] <bazhang> that drives me nuts
[13:57] <Pici> ugh, I just setup my hilight and a bunch of non-ubuntu channel windows have already hilighted me
[14:15] <ikonia> drubin: hi there
[14:15] <drubin> hi ikonia 
[14:15] <ikonia> what's up ?
[14:15] <drubin> ikonia: Nothing just yet.
[14:16] <Myrtti> but....?
[14:16] <drubin> Is it ok to idle encase. 
[14:16] <ikonia> in case of what ?
[14:16] <drubin> Ok enough is enough
[14:16] <drubin> just getting logs.
[14:16] <ikonia> ?
[14:16] <Myrtti> logs of what?
[14:16] <Pici> I'm confused.
[14:16] <Myrtti> !logs
[14:17] <drubin> wait.... is this the right channel to report abuse in an offical ubuntu channel
[14:17] <ikonia> drubin: sure yes
[14:17] <drubin> ikonia: Can you please please review #ubuntu-za
[14:17] <drubin> our opers are at work/afk
[14:17] <ikonia> ahhhh, #ubuntu-za is out of our control
[14:18] <ikonia> unless the CC / freenode staff can help
[14:18] <drubin> and chmj has been utterly disrespectful Vhata, a very helpful active memeber of our loco
[14:18] <drubin> not sure if is their place wither, unless swearing violate that
[14:18] <ikonia> no freenode or CC entries
[14:20] <drubin> ikonia: So what exactly is this channel for? Sorry little bit confused
[14:20] <ikonia> I've joined the channel, but without the operators being available there is no much we can do 
[14:20] <ikonia> drubin: this is for the ubuntu main channels, no loco 
[14:21] <drubin> ikonia: Thanks you don't have to join, if there isn't any thing you can/should do. I will wait to Highvoltage gets back from work...
[14:21] <ikonia> normally the loco guys hang out in #ubuntu-irc but yes, you'll need to catch the two operators for that channel
[14:23] <ikonia> drubin: if you join #ubuntu-irc rather than here you should catch them
[14:23] <drubin> ikonia: They are in there but afk :) 
[14:23] <Pici> ikonia: Chances are if the ops are not active in the channel in question, they aren't going to be in -irc either.
[14:23] <drubin> yip
[14:23] <ikonia> Pici: true, but it's the proper place to contact them
[14:24] <drubin> still so confused the difference between #ubuntu-irc and -ops
[14:24]  * drubin leaves
[14:24] <Pici> drubin: #ubuntu-za does not have the Ubuntu IRC Council or freenode staff on its access list. I'm not going to suggest that we takeover the channel just to deal with this issue.
[14:24] <Pici> arg
[14:24] <ikonia> the guy in question was a pain
[14:24] <ikonia> and a signed up "ubuntero" person
[14:24] <ikonia> which hes just blatently ignored
[16:32] <Pici> boy, this svine person is a trip
[17:00] <Pici> this guy is convinced that I need to say sorry to him because he didn't read the rules or pay attention to the requests to ask his question elsewhere which caused me to mute him.
[17:13] <Pici> for reference, in case he comes by: http://paste.ubuntu.com/204356/
[17:16] <jpds> How odd.
[17:16] <Myrtti> fun
[17:17] <jpds>  /wii svine => ircname : Lamer
[17:17] <elky> how appropriate
[17:17] <elky> i like it when they name themselves aptly.
[17:33] <Guest21805> hello
[17:34] <Guest21805> I was asking about ubuntu and Pici kicked me
[17:34] <Guest21805> it is correct?
[17:44] <elky> was that svine?
[17:45] <Pici> Yes
[17:45] <Guest21805> hello
[17:46] <Guest21805> why Pici baned me?
[17:46] <elky> for good reason, from what i saw.
[17:46] <Guest21805> no
[17:46] <Guest21805> I was talking with people
[17:47] <Guest21805> they wanted to answer me
[17:47] <Guest21805> I think Pici is has some problem with me
[17:47] <Guest21805> he can ignore me
[17:47] <elky> he spent almost an hour in PM with you explaining his resoning.
[17:48] <Guest21805> no
[17:48] <Guest21805> he dont want explain it
[17:48] <Guest21805> he was rude to me
[17:48] <Guest21805> because I am not from USA
[17:48] <elky> he certainly didn't call you bin laden.
[17:49] <Guest21805> I didnt
[17:49] <jpds> And you were rude back.
[17:49] <Guest21805> it is fairplay
[17:49] <Guest21805> he can ignore me
[17:49] <Guest21805> it is our two people
[17:49] <Guest21805> I had reason for that
[17:49] <Guest21805> he was stupid to me
[17:50] <Guest21805> I just wanted ask something
[17:50] <Guest21805> and he muted me
[17:50] <Guest21805> for nothing
[17:50] <elky> Guest21805, he did ignore you. he put you on full-channel ignore. they're also known as bans.
[17:50] <jpds> Guest21805: Because you were asking in the wrong channel.
[17:50] <Guest21805> he cant do that
[17:50] <elky> Guest21805, he can.
[17:50] <Guest21805> it is not democratical
[17:51] <elky> nor is the judicial system in any country i know of.
[17:51] <Guest21805> this behaviour is like Fidel Castros behaviour
[17:51] <jpds> Guest21805: IRC is not democratic.
[17:51] <Guest21805> no
[17:51] <Guest21805> it is ilegal
[17:51] <elky> it'd really suck to have to hold a referendum on every single case.
[17:51] <Guest21805> I have human rights
[17:52] <elky> and i've read the geneva convention. irc is not listed.
[17:52] <Guest21805> he can blocke comunications beetween me and other people
[17:52] <Guest21805> just between him and me
[17:52] <Guest21805> thats correct dont you think?
[17:52] <elky> i think he was correct in doing so, yes.
[17:52] <Guest21805> I wrote him private
[17:52] <jpds> We saw.
[17:52] <Guest21805> no wasnt
[17:53] <Guest21805> what are you saw?
[17:53] <elky> i saw you calling him Bin Laden.
[17:53] <Guest21805> and?
[17:53] <jpds> And God for some reason.
[17:53] <Guest21805> it was private
[17:53] <Guest21805> because I has reasoen
[17:53] <Guest21805> reason
[17:53] <Guest21805> big reason
[17:53] <elky> Guest21805, he's not forbidden from saying 'this guy called me bin laden'
[17:54] <Guest21805> and he can?
[17:54] <Guest21805> why?
[17:54] <jpds> Yes, he can.
[17:54] <elky> he can say that. and he did.
[17:54] <Guest21805> say
[17:54] <jpds> He has the freedom of speech :)
[17:54] <Guest21805> me too
[17:54] <Guest21805> why me not?
[17:54] <Guest21805> you dont understand me
[17:54] <jpds> Wrong place, the place to ask IRC questions is #freenode.
[17:54] <jpds> #ubuntu is purely for Ubuntu support only.
[17:55] <elky> Guest21805, yes, and there's plenty of internet for you to free your speech in. we have the freedom to decide your speech is not for our channels, but we wont stop you saying it elsewhere.
[17:55] <Guest21805> I didnt say it
[17:55] <elky> Guest21805, whatever you say in PM to me i will share. this is your only warning.
[17:56] <Guest21805> because you are not democratical
[17:56] <jpds> Yes.
[17:56] <Guest21805> yes not
[17:56] <Guest21805> you are nationalists
[17:56] <Guest21805> :-(
[17:57] <Guest21805> hello
[17:57] <Guest21805> why you kicked me
[17:57] <Guest21805> for saying the true?
[17:57] <elky> because you're not listening to us
[17:57] <Guest21805> and?
[17:57] <Guest21805> you are not God
[17:58] <Guest21805> you are human like me
[17:58] <jpds> We didn't say we were.
[17:58] <Ursinha> hey jpds :)
[17:58] <Pici> To be fair, I dont think that #freenode is going to be any more democratic with him.
[17:58] <jpds> Hello there Ursinha! :)
[17:58] <elky> Pici, to be fair, i dont care.
[17:58] <genii> I'm almost tempted now to visit there and see how democratic they are with him/her
[17:58] <Pici> elky: agreed.
[18:04] <jpds> Ursinha: /join #ubuntu-irc
[18:13] <Pici> er
[18:13] <Pici> no I didn't.
[18:14] <genii> Weird
[18:17] <Pici> 13:16:08 <?mdm> Guest21805, was asking to kick you from the channel.  I told him you were an op and that no other op would do that.  I dont know what he wants or why, but apparently he is randomly messing people in channel trying to get them to do what he wants
[20:27] <nhandler> We might have an issue with wvdial in #ubuntu-motu.
[20:43] <ikonia> what's up ?
[20:43] <Pici> Sorry for not replying, but I've been watching.
[20:43] <ikonia> no need for apologies
[20:43] <ikonia> you're on it - it's cool
[20:48] <Pici> !yahoo
[20:49] <ikonia> don't put the bug in
[20:49] <ikonia> it links to all sorts of PPA fun
[21:15] <Pici> fyi. sun-flower in #freenode is the same as Guest21805 and svine. I really think that we shouldn't get involved though, he said he was banned from gentoo-chat and debian as well.
[21:15] <Pici> Pricey: ^
[21:15] <Pricey> I haven't looked it upt yet.
[21:16] <Pici> Pricey: I figured, just wanted to let you know that there was scrollback here to read.
[21:17] <Pici> I'm also going afk for a bit, so hopefully I won't be needed.
[21:18] <Pricey> @btlogin
[21:19] <ikonia> Pici: laters 
[21:22] <Pricey> If someone can't change their nick, it means they're in a channel they can't send to most likely... going on the error svine originally reported.
[21:26] <Pricey> I do not see any reference to Ubuntu in this guy's ramblings?
[21:28] <Myrtti> Pricey: that's the thing. He rambled about non-Ubuntu issues in #ubuntu?
[21:29] <Pricey> We've had 3 ircc'ers weigh in on this.. he's not wasting any more of our time.
[21:29] <Pricey> I read logs.
[21:38] <Pricey> 20:37:38 [sun-flower(i=Lamercz@chello085216208215.chello.sk )] I think unix is good OS
[21:38] <Pricey> 20:38:03 [sun-flower(i=Lamercz@chello085216208215.chello.sk )] but you are doing everyone against people who want to use unix
[21:42] <Mamarok> !purekde
[21:42] <Mamarok> there is an error in that factoid link, they tell people to remove ubuntu-desktop to remove Gnome... that will never work, as it is a meta-package
[21:44] <Pricey> Tis a wiki.
[21:59] <Mamarok> yes, I know, but the instructions in this wiki are partly wrong, so
[22:28] <christel> elky: you nationalist you :(
[22:32] <tsimpson> Mamarok: aptitude will remove the packages
[22:33] <tsimpson> also: "That should show a large list of package to remove, just press y and enter to continue. If that doesn't remove all the Gnome packages then proceed to the manual removal section."
[22:34] <Mamarok> hm, I always thought that metapackages can be removed safely
[22:34] <tsimpson> with apt-get, yep
[22:34] <tsimpson> aptitude will remove unused packages
[22:35] <Mamarok> hm, I always thought aptitude to be safer than apt-get...
[22:36] <tsimpson> depends what you mean by "safer"
[22:36] <tsimpson> they are just different frontends to dpkg
[22:37] <Mamarok> well, I know it's a frontend of dpkg
[22:38] <Mamarok> but apt-get remove metapackage only removes the package, so it doesn't make sense to have different behaviour there, to me
[22:40] <tsimpson> basically aptitude will remove unused packages immediately, apt-get requires the autoremove command to do it
[22:40] <tsimpson> though it's probably configurable
[22:40] <Mamarok> hm, learned something new today :)
[22:40] <Mamarok> tsimpson: thx :)
[22:41] <tsimpson> :)