| ion | http://github.com/ion1/vim-highlight Output syntax-highlighted HTML version of input using Vim | 10:09 |
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| ion | (There are syntax highlighters for a huge amount of formats in Vim) | 10:11 |
| Keybuk | ion: we could do with one for Upstart jobs ;) | 11:21 |
| johnflux | hello? | 12:16 |
| johnflux | the channel is very quiet :-) | 12:16 |
| johnflux | anyone around? | 12:17 |
| Keybuk | hello! | 12:30 |
| johnflux | :-) | 12:31 |
| johnflux | Keybuk, just wondering if dbus support has been added yet | 12:31 |
| Keybuk | yes, that was added in 0.5.0 | 12:31 |
| johnflux | the front webpage says it has, but there's no mention on the wiki on using it, and I can't find it running "qdbus --system" | 12:31 |
| johnflux | ah | 12:32 |
| Keybuk | many distributions still use 0.3.x though | 12:32 |
| johnflux | yeah | 12:32 |
| johnflux | that explains why I don't have it in ubuntu | 12:32 |
| johnflux | so.. does this mean that as a normal user I can see what services are running?@ | 12:32 |
| Keybuk | correct | 12:32 |
| Keybuk | though that is also true of 0.5 | 12:32 |
| johnflux | can I map it to a PID? | 12:32 |
| Keybuk | which limits method calls to root only | 12:32 |
| johnflux | even dbus calls are limited to root only? | 12:33 |
| Keybuk | yes | 12:33 |
| Keybuk | though it's possible that 0.6 may open up the "status information" calls | 12:33 |
| johnflux | hmm - can I use policykit or something to get permissions to use it? | 12:33 |
| johnflux | without having to prompt the user each time | 12:33 |
| Keybuk | since they're done through the Properties interface now | 12:33 |
| Keybuk | PK support is somewhere on the wishlist | 12:33 |
| johnflux | I'm the maintainer of the 'task manager' thing in kde | 12:33 |
| johnflux | so it shows the list of running processes | 12:33 |
| johnflux | it would be nice to also show the list of running services | 12:34 |
| johnflux | and to map between them | 12:34 |
| johnflux | so that when you right click on the apache process, you could kill it properly, rather than sending a signal | 12:34 |
| Keybuk | *nods* | 12:35 |
| Keybuk | tell you what, after a few seconds thought, I'll definitely agree that the properties interface will be public | 12:35 |
| Keybuk | plus the "Get" interfaces | 12:35 |
| Keybuk | since most of that detail shows up with Introspection anyway ;) | 12:35 |
| * johnflux nods | 12:35 | |
| Keybuk | the root-only methods will be | 12:36 |
| johnflux | in particular I want to be able to get the pid | 12:36 |
| johnflux | would that be possible? | 12:36 |
| Keybuk | com.ubuntu.Upstart.ReloadConfiguration | 12:36 |
| Keybuk | com.ubuntu.Upstart.EmitEvent | 12:36 |
| Keybuk | com.ubuntu.Upstart.Job.Start | 12:36 |
| Keybuk | com.ubuntu.Upstart.Job.Stop | 12:36 |
| Keybuk | com.ubuntu.Upstart.Job.Restart | 12:36 |
| Keybuk | com.ubuntu.Upstart.Instance.Start | 12:36 |
| Keybuk | com.ubuntu.Upstart.Instance.Stop | 12:36 |
| Keybuk | com.ubuntu.Upstart.Instance.Restart | 12:36 |
| Keybuk | org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.Set | 12:37 |
| Keybuk | and the public methods will be | 12:37 |
| Keybuk | com.ubuntu.Upstart.GetJobByName | 12:37 |
| Keybuk | com.ubuntu.Upstart.GetAllJobs | 12:37 |
| Keybuk | com.ubuntu.Upstart.Job.GetInstance | 12:37 |
| Keybuk | com.ubuntu.Upstart.Job.GetInstanceByName | 12:37 |
| Keybuk | com.ubuntu.Upstart.Job.GetAllInstances | 12:37 |
| Keybuk | org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.Get | 12:37 |
| Keybuk | org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.GetAll | 12:37 |
| Keybuk | org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable.Introspect | 12:37 |
| johnflux | .GetInstanceByPid ? :-) | 12:38 |
| Keybuk | does that sounds reasonable? | 12:38 |
| johnflux | it does | 12:38 |
| Keybuk | johnflux: believe it or not, there's no such lookup path in Upstart ;-) | 12:38 |
| Keybuk | johnflux: though you're right - there should be - could you file a wishlist bug for that one | 12:38 |
| johnflux | Keybuk, right, I was hinting at adding it :-) | 12:38 |
| Keybuk | also can you file a wishlist bug for changing the D-Bus conf - pasting the above ;) | 12:38 |
| johnflux | what's the url for this bug reporter? | 12:39 |
| Keybuk | http://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart | 12:40 |
| johnflux | Keybuk, would i want getJobByPid or GetInstanceByPid ? | 12:42 |
| johnflux | instance? both? | 12:42 |
| johnflux | I don't get the difference between instance and job | 12:43 |
| Keybuk | both technically | 12:43 |
| Keybuk | arguably that should return Job, Instance and Process | 12:44 |
| Keybuk | com.ubuntu.Upstart.LookupPid (Int32 pid) => (ObjectPath job, ObjectPath instance, String process) | 12:44 |
| johnflux | Keybuk, that's a suggestion for a new call? | 12:51 |
| johnflux | Keybuk, can a job/instance have an icon? | 12:53 |
| johnflux | for prettiness | 12:53 |
| Keybuk | icons are pretty much left to front-end implementation to decide for now ;) | 12:55 |
| Keybuk | it wouldn't be much to add an icon stanza like description and author | 12:55 |
| Keybuk | feel free to add a wishlist bug ;) | 12:55 |
| Keybuk | johnflux: right, given com.ubuntu.Upstart.LookupPid (1234) you'd expect a reply like | 12:55 |
| Keybuk | ( "/com/ubuntu/Upstart/jobs/test", "/com/ubuntu/Upstart/jobs/test/_", "pre-start" ) | 12:55 |
| Keybuk | ie. it says that pid 1234 is the pre-start process of the default instance of the test job | 12:56 |
| johnflux | https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/392500 | 12:56 |
| johnflux | I can't work out how to make it a wish | 12:56 |
| johnflux | it didn't ask me | 12:56 |
| Keybuk | I can do that | 12:59 |
| johnflux | thanks | 13:00 |
| johnflux | https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/392502 | 13:03 |
| johnflux | Keybuk, the other one | 13:03 |
| johnflux | Keybuk, I'm looking forward to making kde integrate nicely with upstart | 13:03 |
| johnflux | it could all come together in such a slick way | 13:03 |
| johnflux | Keybuk, do you know the status of other major distributions and upstart? | 13:04 |
| johnflux | Keybuk, redhat, suse etc | 13:04 |
| Keybuk | johnflux: feel free to add a wishlist for icon support as well | 13:06 |
| Keybuk | Fedora are using Upstart 0.3.x currently | 13:07 |
| Keybuk | I'm hoping they'll use 0.6.0 when it's released | 13:07 |
| Keybuk | Ubuntu is using 0.3.x and will use 0.6.0 when it's released | 13:07 |
| Keybuk | we had a productive discussion with Debian this week, and it's favourable for Debian to use 0.6.0 when it's released | 13:07 |
| Keybuk | I understand that RedHat will ship Upstart with RHEL 6, but not sure which version | 13:08 |
| Keybuk | a SuSE maintainer is pushing for adoption there | 13:08 |
| Keybuk | the only trouble with doing unit tests is you end up spending a day catching up on testing every time you write new code :-/ | 16:59 |
| sadmac2 | Keybuk: yeah.. its fun | 17:47 |
| Keybuk | of course, that's better than spending a week hunting down bugs you introduced | 17:47 |
| wasabi | Nothing to do with the conversation, but I find it interesting... sometimes unit tests aren't appropriate for just that reason. | 17:48 |
| sadmac2 | Keybuk: lazy programmers write fewer bugs, but the industrious ones have less trouble finding them. Its cruel really. | 17:48 |
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