[00:26] <nhandler> ryanakca: I reported LP Bug: #392741 about the footer
[00:26] <nhandler> Bug 392741
[00:27] <ryanakca> nhandler: Ah yes, thanks for reminding me. I'll go fix that now
[00:27]  * nhandler hugs ryanakca
[00:29] <ryanakca> nhandler: Any ideas what it should say? I don't think it should say "(C) 2005 Canonical Ltd." ... the Trademarks part I'll copy over though
[00:29] <nhandler> I would simply remove the first line until the whole licensing issue is resolved
[00:30] <nhandler> I have a feeling it will come up at the Doc Team meeting tomorrow
[00:33] <ryanakca> bug 392741
[00:33] <ryanakca> *prods ubottu*
[00:33] <ryanakca> nhandler: Anyways, s/New/Fix Committed/
[00:34] <nhandler> Thanks ryanakca
[00:46] <ryanakca> nhandler: Should the "{Hide,Show} editing options" be in the top left or top right corner?
[00:48] <maco> seele, you around?
[00:55] <nhandler> ryanakca: I'm not sure. Does the button have to go on the opposite side of the screen as the options it reveals?
[00:56] <ryanakca> nhandler: Yes... we don't really want the options hidden behind the button.
[01:00] <nhandler> ryanakca: In that case, I would put the button in the top right, as I think it makes more sense having the options on the left
[01:29]  * ryanakca sighs and wonders how to add a printer without having to go through http://localhost:631/ ... system-config-printer-kde is installed, but there's nothing in kmenu, system-config-printer-kde isn't a valid command, nothing in system settings, etc. Very user friendly :)
[02:44] <rgreening> nixternal: what up dawg
[02:55] <nixternal> wasabi
[03:00] <rgreening_> :)
[07:14] <ScottK> ryanakca: The Canonical copyright is (IIRC) for the theme, not the content.
[10:14] <Quintasan> hello
[10:34] <Quintasan> hsitter: ping
[12:07] <ryanakca> ScottK: Ah, well, I doubt they'd enjoy Copyright (C) 2005 Canonical Ltd, Copyright (C) 2008 Matthew East, Copyright (C) 2008 Claire Neill and Ryan Kavanagh, Copyright (C) 2009 Ryan Kavanagh... so might as well leave out that line? Or just update the Credits page.
[13:05] <Mamarok> ryanakca: but the (C) makes no sense, unless one uses the offical pic, the word copyright is enough AFAIK
[13:05] <ryanakca> Mamarok: *nod*
[14:31] <ScottK> ryanakca: No idea, really.
[15:07] <ubuntu_> Hi
[15:08] <ubuntu_> I'm on Kubuntu+1 live CD and I just got a notification that I need to update an evolution package
[15:08] <ubuntu_> are we going to be getting evolution as default on Ubuntu+1(-1)
[15:08] <ubuntu_> ?
[15:09] <ScottK> ubuntu_: Not in Kubuntu, no.
[15:10] <ubuntu_> why would I be prompted to update the package then?
[15:10] <ScottK> Is it evolution or evolution documentation?
[15:10] <ScottK> There's a known issue where just the documentation gets pulled into Kubuntu somehow.
[15:11] <freinhard> that's language-support-<something>
[15:11] <ubuntu_> hold on let me look I know it's an evolution package
[15:12] <ubuntu_> Yes it's the documentation
[15:12] <freinhard> that's pulled in by language-support-translations-<yourlang>
[15:12] <ubuntu_> Yep just saw that too
[15:12] <ubuntu_> should I file a bug on it?
[15:13] <ubuntu_> thunderbird and gimp as well it seems
[15:14] <ubuntu_> actually without OO.o there is nothing in there that Kubuntu would need
[15:14] <ubuntu_> More reason to have Koffice :-D
[15:14] <freinhard> ubuntu_: there already is one: bug 333401
[15:16] <ubuntu_> freinhard: Should I append gimp to that as well?
[15:16] <freinhard> ubuntu_: bug 367229
[15:17] <ubuntu_> :-) I guess it does make sense to have them as two issues
[15:18] <ubuntu_> So should I sit tight or add some usual "I have this problem as well" to those two ?
[15:19] <ubuntu_> When is Quassel going to stop sipping as the default :(
[15:19] <ubuntu_> I love it it's just so not KDEish :(
[15:25] <ScottK> ubuntu_: It's an open question if we ship Quassel again or go back to Konversation for Karmic.
[15:25] <ubuntu_> Is there a Konversation package for Karmic?
[15:27] <freinhard> ubuntu_: sure
[15:28] <neversfelde> it is really not a good ideo to change default applications more than one time a year :)
[15:29] <freinhard> ack
[15:30] <ubuntu> ok never mind
[15:30] <ubuntu> The thing I really hate with quassel is in konversation too :(
[15:36] <ubuntu> you can't manipulate URLs
[15:37] <ScottK> ubuntu_: The quassel devs are pretty responsive usually.  You might file a feature request.
[15:37] <ubuntu_> Maybe it's a KDE libs issue?
[15:37] <DreadKnight> do you guys have air by default now?
[15:38] <DreadKnight> the plasma theme
[15:42] <DreadKnight> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/runtime/desktoptheme/air/  <----- this looks exactly like oxygen to me, not sure what's the deal
[15:43] <ubuntu_> It's now mixed with nitrogen and carbon dioxide. It's a subtle visual distinction but important for fire prevention
[15:45] <DreadKnight> ...
[15:46] <Quintasan> :D
[15:46] <Quintasan> DreadKnight: you need to compile it by yourself
[15:46] <Quintasan> I don't think we should bother with compiling it in RC
[15:47] <DreadKnight> yeah, compiling is for geeks
[15:47] <Quintasan> <3 compiling
[15:47] <DreadKnight> lol
[15:47] <DreadKnight> frigging weird... a theme that needs to be compiled
[15:48] <Quintasan> dont tell me that, I also find it wried
[15:48] <DreadKnight> air worked just fine from that repository in RC, up until a certain revision
[15:49] <Quintasan> also can't connect to svn
[15:50] <ubuntu_> Almost all of KDE is down
[15:51] <DreadKnight> cool
[15:53] <seaLne> yeah kde has dns problems not helped by some routing problems atm
[15:54] <Quintasan> :<
[15:57] <vorian> Quintasan:
[15:58] <vorian> though needest a cloak
[15:58] <vorian> thou, even
[15:58] <vorian> let me know if you agree
[16:00] <Nightrose> vorian: heya :) any news/progress on my problem?
[16:00] <vorian> Nightrose: not yet
[16:00]  * Nightrose says hi from linuxtag
[16:00] <Nightrose> vorian: :(
[16:00] <vorian> hi to Nightrose at linuxtag o/
[16:00] <Nightrose> hehe
[16:00] <vorian> these things take some time, sorry
[16:01] <Nightrose> yea - as long as it is still on the list
[16:01] <vorian> of course :)
[16:05]  * txwikinger sayshi to the Linuxtag
[16:06] <Mamarok> Nightrose: how is it going in Berlin?
[16:07]  * seaLne waves to the linuxtag people aswell
[16:07]  * Mamarok is sad not to be there but thinks it was a wise decision, still taking a lot of pain meds
[16:12] <neversfelde> Mamarok: get well soon
[16:14] <freinhard> Nightrose: got a webcam on your laptop?
[16:15] <Mamarok> neversfelde: thx, it's already much better for typing than before
[16:19] <Nightrose> freinhard: jep
[16:19] <Nightrose> Mamarok: pretty empty :(
[16:19] <Nightrose> otherwise perfect
[16:19] <freinhard> Nightrose: stream! ;)
[16:20] <Nightrose> freinhard: internet is not good enough and i have nothing to stream it to
[16:39] <ubuntu_> As an aside why are the tooltips different from the systray when compared with the rest of the panel?
[16:41] <seaLne> ubuntu_: systray is an xwindows thing not plasma
[16:41] <smarter> ubuntu_: systray icons really are small windows, so they don't use plasma theming, but a new systray protocol has been integrated in KDE 4.3 to replace the previous, hackish one and apps who use it as a side effect have plasma theming and so integrate well
[16:41] <ubuntu_> I'm on KDE 4.3
[16:41] <smarter> ubuntu_: kmix has been ported, try it
[16:42] <smarter> that's the only one for now
[16:42] <seaLne> hadn't notced kmix before :)
[16:42] <smarter> nice isn't it? ;)
[16:42] <ubuntu_> ok. Hmm wonder if tha's why it doesn't start with the session
[16:53] <seaLne> anyone know anything about Bug #392593?
[16:55] <freinhard> seaLne: i can't connect either but i get some ioctl error and even can't connect from cli
[16:59] <seaLne> i've tried a different wireless card and as the bug reporter said its plasma-nm that seems to be at fault as gnome nm works fine for me aswell, despite it being horrible
[17:00] <ubuntu_> That is nice
[17:35] <vorian> is someone packaging qwit?
[17:44] <seaLne>  just type /quit to use it from your irc client ;)
[17:48] <hsitter> you know, in a late night insanity I deleted my ruby talk :P
[17:49] <hsitter> Quintasan: pong
[17:51] <hsitter> ScottK: we don't need an svg since png is editable with free tools anyway, but if it was created from an svg it is advisable to have that ;-)
[17:51] <hsitter> for performance reasons it makes sense to deploy the .png stuff and use that
[17:51] <hsitter> scaling svg is darn slow
[17:52] <hsitter> also, KIcon can just use the SVG, ultimately pngs+svg would be stored in hicolor so rgreening wouldn't have to worry at all
[17:54] <hsitter> ScottK: re po file foo for rgreening ... ? :P
[17:55] <hsitter> usb-creator should just use cmake :P
[18:06] <vorian> seaLne: sounds like a plan
[18:06] <vorian> actually, i have an alias for that since i do it so often on accident
[18:06] <vorian> alias quit msg vorian you are an idiot
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> whoa, hotness: http://imagebin.ca/view/RLpd0g.html
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> artwork is final now :)
[18:08] <vorian> schweet
[18:08] <vorian> <3 konq
[18:08] <vorian> i think qwit will pwn choqok
[18:08] <vorian> just sayn
[18:30] <Quintasan> hsitter: still there? >_<
[18:30] <hsitter> no!
[18:30] <hsitter> I think
[18:31] <Quintasan> oh good, you pinged me yesterday, what was that about? :3
[18:32] <Quintasan> hsitter: ^
[18:32] <hsitter> must have been something fancy
[18:32] <hsitter> right
[18:33] <hsitter> Quintasan: go package up kalaternatives :P
[18:33] <Quintasan> :D
[18:33] <hsitter> basically you just need to take what debian got in their svn and make it fit into ubuntu
[18:33] <hsitter> + create some patch
[18:33] <hsitter> for a change I cced to the mailing list, though eventually Riddell didn't moderate it yet
[18:34] <Quintasan> vorian: I'm sure you send me something on query but I accidentally my power cable :<
[18:35] <vorian> Quintasan: you would like a cloak, right?
[18:35] <Quintasan> vorian: sure
[18:36]  * hsitter would like a darn kubuntu developer cloak :P
[18:37] <vorian> me too
[18:41] <freinhard> bring me one too
[18:41] <hsitter> vorian: you sure know someone from the IRC operator council?
[18:41] <hsitter> jussi didn't want to answer me :P
[18:43] <hsitter> so
[18:43] <hsitter> now that I have to start from scratch with my ruby talk?
[18:43] <hsitter> once again the question!
[18:43] <hsitter> what to talk about?
[18:44] <Quintasan> hsitter: http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/kalternatives/tags/kalternatives-0.12-1/ <-- this is what you want?
[18:44] <hsitter> Quintasan: yes
[18:44]  * Quintasan nods
[18:46] <freinhard> hsitter: basic concepts, why use ruby, why use ruby and not pything (something i don't understand), things you need to get a basic rb-qt4 app running, maybe some nice ide that's worth trying.
[18:47] <hsitter> cause pythin is the mess and c++ is the bloat and ruby is the beauty :P
[18:47] <hsitter> freinhard: I like that suggestion
[18:47]  * hsitter implements
[18:49]  * hsitter pokes JontheEchidna in the nick
[18:50] <Quintasan> what's with the nick change?
[18:50]  * hsitter tells Quintasan to change his nick as well
[18:50] <freinhard> Quintasan: that's what the cool guys do ;)
[18:51] <Quintasan> okay
[18:51] <hsitter> we should have a dev nick policy :P
[18:51]  * hsitter hugs jmthomas and mzajac
[18:51] <mzajac> lulz
[18:54] <mzajac> how come I can't register my brand new nick?
[18:54] <Morelia_Viridis> do /msg nickserv help
[18:54] <Morelia_Viridis> tells you eveything
[18:54] <Morelia_Viridis> 3.times {|x| 3.times {|y| a << [x,y] if x != y } }
[18:54] <mzajac> It tells me I'm already identified
[18:54] <Morelia_Viridis> hsitter: why's that better than a forloop?
[18:55] <Morelia_Viridis> hsitter: reminds me of perl. how to make you're code unreadable for non-pros
[18:55] <hsitter> hm
[18:55] <hsitter> so why not do a forloop?
[18:55] <Morelia_Viridis> s/you're/your/
[18:56] <hsitter> also, the onyl point of the above example is to make it onlineable IMHO :P
[18:57] <hsitter> which would require ; with an expressed for loop
[18:57] <Morelia_Viridis> and explain those @
[18:58] <Morelia_Viridis> and whatever you need (never got really got it)
[18:58] <Morelia_Viridis> maybe because python doesn't require those "end"s
[18:59] <hsitter> @ :)
[18:59] <hsitter> fun != @fun != @@fun != $fun
[19:00] <hsitter> at the point where your code represents that you have createde the ultimate insanity
[19:06]  * Morelia_Viridis rips the @ out of his keyboard
[19:25] <mzajac> argh why launchpad is soo slooooow
[19:49] <mzajac> hsitter: done
[19:49] <mzajac> hsitter: I suppose you want diff.gz
[19:49] <hsitter> mzajac: revu
[19:49] <mzajac> ah k
[19:49] <hsitter> mzajac: did you add the patch as well?
[19:49] <mzajac> hsitter: patch?
[19:50] <hsitter> :P
[19:50] <hsitter> sec
[19:50] <mzajac> hsitter: I didn't find any patches :P
[19:50] <hsitter> Riddell is a slow moderator :P
[19:50] <hsitter> kde svn 987617
[19:50] <hsitter> mzajac: ^
[19:50] <mzajac> hsitter: too bad whole *.kde.org is down
[19:51] <hsitter> it is?
[19:51] <hsitter> api.kde works just fine ;D
[19:51]  * hsitter would be pretty boned otherwise
[19:51] <mzajac> someone mentioned routing problems
[19:52] <hsitter> mzajac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/205101/
[19:59] <vorian> hsitter: the ubuntu irc council only wants folks to have @ubuntu/member cloaks
[20:00] <hsitter> communistic
[20:00] <hsitter> like we are all alike, huh? :P
[20:00] <vorian> Pricey: ^
[20:01] <vorian> maybe he can help instigate some change in that department
[20:02]  * hsitter doesn't care enough :P
[20:02]  * vorian thinks hsitter lies
[20:02] <hsitter> seriously, right now redoing my ruby talk is more important
[20:03] <hsitter> the first version was better though :S
[20:03] <vorian> prints "vorian is awesome"
[20:03] <mzajac> hsitter: srsly, how did you manage to delete it? :D
[20:03] <vorian> ok, any motu around for a quick ack
[20:03] <vorian> (second ack)
[20:05] <vorian> common folks, its all about social from the start
[20:05] <hsitter> mzajac: went through my fs and rm -rf *
[20:05] <Pricey> vorian: hmm?
[20:05] <hsitter> though really, the fault was that I stored the talk in home/tmp :D
[20:05] <mzajac> vorian, hsitter: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kalternatives
[20:05] <hsitter> vorian: I'll ack everything
[20:06] <hsitter> or is it anything
[20:06] <vorian> hsitter: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qwit
[20:06] <hsitter> something at least
[20:06] <hsitter> ACK
[20:06] <mzajac> hsitter: oh, once I deleted my debian-ready package
[20:06] <vorian> thanks
[20:06] <hsitter> though
[20:06] <hsitter> vorian: hold on a sec :P
[20:06] <vorian> too late
[20:06] <vorian> Pricey: nothing, nevermind
[20:07] <hsitter> meh
[20:07] <hsitter> vorian: add to your todo: Description: A
[20:07] <hsitter> kill the A
[20:08] <hsitter> you should work on your rules :P
[20:08] <vorian> na
[20:08] <hsitter> oh you should :P
[20:08] <hsitter> vorian: ./translations/qwit_it_IT.qm: data
[20:09] <hsitter> tell upstream to keep the darn tarball clean
[20:09] <vorian> nod
[20:09] <hsitter> though all in all the ACK was justified
[20:10] <vorian> fantastic
[20:10] <vorian> we'll see how well they grow the app
[20:10] <hsitter> mzajac: 0ubuntu1
[20:10] <hsitter> it didn't enter debian yet, so it can't be 1ubuntu1
[20:10] <mzajac> hsitter: I think it is in Debian
[20:10] <hsitter> stuck in NEW
[20:11] <hsitter> see my mail to the list :P
[20:11] <yuriy> got an update to amarok 2.1, seems to have blown away my collection (rescanned on startup) and there's a funny blue background in the context view
[20:11] <mzajac> kk will fix
[20:11] <hsitter> uha
[20:11] <hsitter> mzajac: also, please keep the debian changelog entry
[20:11] <hsitter> official or not, we need to have a reference point :D
[20:11] <vorian> :o
[20:11] <vorian> merge MURDER!
[20:11] <mzajac> hmm, ok
[20:12] <hsitter> mzajac: also for copyright you should keep debian's stuff
[20:12] <hsitter> i.e. keep all changes to a minimum
[20:12] <hsitter> mzajac: also, explain the patch in a changelog entry
[20:12] <hsitter> best reference my commit :)
[20:13] <yuriy> and the lyrics show html
[20:13] <hsitter> nhandler: did you upload kobby?
[20:15] <mzajac> * Added kubuntu_01_fix_desktop.diff to enable use of kdesudo <-- is this okay?
[20:15] <mzajac> hsitter: ^ I should remove my stuff from debian/copyright?
[20:15] <hsitter> mzajac: yes to both
[20:16] <hsitter> you can add your copyright for the patch if you want
[20:16] <hsitter> but since you only made my change quilted.... :P
[20:16] <mzajac> it's YOUR patch
[20:16] <mzajac> oh :P
[20:21] <mzajac> ARGH
[20:21] <hsitter> ARGV
[20:22] <hsitter> KDE::CmdLineArgs.init(ARGV, aboutData)
[20:22] <mzajac> @_@
[20:23] <hsitter> p ARGV
[20:23] <hsitter> []
[20:23] <hsitter> => nil
[20:24] <mzajac> hsitter, vorian: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=6170
[20:27] <hsitter> mzajac: did you testbuild?
[20:27] <mzajac> hsitter: with, patch - no, without - yes
[20:28] <mzajac> brb phonecall
[20:29]  * hsitter is wondering if he is supposed to consider that best practise
[20:29] <mzajac> :D
[20:30] <mzajac> but, hey, it works!
[20:30] <hsitter> you don't know that!!!! :P
[20:32] <mzajac> hsitter: ARGV you got me
[20:32] <mzajac> :3
[20:36] <mzajac> hsitter: builds with patch
[20:36] <hsitter> vorian: revu ^
[20:37] <mzajac> jmthomas: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kalternatives
[20:43]  * vorian revu's
[20:47] <vorian> oh, still in new eh?
[20:50] <vorian> kalternatives uploaded
[20:51]  * mzajac hugs vorian
[20:51] <mzajac> :3
[20:52] <vorian> silly mzajac changing nicks
[20:52] <mzajac> :<
[20:52] <vorian> now the walrus face
[20:52] <mzajac> what?
[20:53] <vorian> :<
[20:53] <vorian> looks like a walrus
[20:53] <mzajac> ah
[20:53] <mzajac> ohshi-, it really looks like this :D
[20:54]  * mzajac changes his avatar
[21:00] <vorian> ryanakca: kobby uploaded - thanks for your contribution to Kubuntu and all of the Known Universe!
[21:18] <vorian> >> puts "Hola World!".reverse.upcase
[21:18] <vorian> !DLROW ALOH
[21:18] <vorian> => nil
[21:18] <vorian> >>
[21:18] <vorian> haha
[21:19]  * ScottK wants some of whatever it is vorian is on.
[21:19] <vorian> yes
[21:19] <vorian> vacations are good
[21:30] <ScottK> hsitter: I ran across http://dancingpenguinsoflight.com/2009/06/a-better-ruby-prompt/ and thought of you.
[21:34] <hsitter> uhhh
[21:34] <hsitter> ScottK: fancy
[21:34] <hsitter> me likes
[21:34] <hsitter> ScottK++
[21:39] <Quintasan> hsitter: looks like I'm bit retarded for Ruby, that guy just jumped from printing text to using File I/O -> http://poignantguide.net/ruby/chapter-2.html :P
[21:40] <Quintasan> and I don't really get it >_<
[21:45] <ScottK> http://dancingpenguinsoflight.com/2009/02/python-and-vim-make-your-own-ide/ for the Pythonistas out there.
[21:56] <hsitter> Quintasan: what chapter?
[21:56]  * hsitter notes that IO is IO, no matter where it goes :P
[21:56] <hsitter> or comes from, for that matter
[21:56] <Quintasan> hsitter: 4th, I started form 1st because I forgot most of it :S
[21:57] <smarter> chunky bacon.
[21:57] <Quintasan> that's what you get for reading past 2am
[21:57] <hsitter> lol
[21:57] <Quintasan> bacon is good
[21:58] <hsitter> hm
[21:58] <hsitter> Quintasan: what is not to get?
[21:58]  * hsitter might be looking at the wrong snippet
[21:59] <Quintasan> let me get to it first
[21:59] <hsitter> he's explain File after the first snippet that uses the File class
[22:00] <hsitter> "he's explain" sounds weird though :P
[22:01] <ScottK> "He's explaining" or "He explains"
[22:02] <hsitter> he explain? :P
[22:02] <ScottK> No.
[22:03] <hsitter> hm
[22:03] <hsitter> ah, now I get it
[22:03] <ScottK> Explain is only first or second person, not third.
[22:03] <hsitter> hm, no I don't get it anymore
[22:03] <hsitter> ScottK: explain is no person at all?
[22:04] <hsitter> at least I know no one who is called explain
[22:04] <ScottK> Explain is the verb
[22:04] <ScottK> I explain English syntax.  You explain you don't get it.  Quintasan, he explains he is confused by the Ruby.
[22:05] <ScottK> Better?
[22:05] <hsitter> hm
[22:05] <hsitter> gets more confusing by the minute
[22:05] <hsitter> he.explain
[22:05] <hsitter> good enough?
[22:06] <hsitter> he.explain.good_enough?
[22:06]  * ScottK is getting confused too.
[22:06] <hsitter> :)
[22:06] <Quintasan> @_@
[22:06]  * Quintasan is starting to question his sanity
[22:06] <hsitter> dude
[22:06] <hsitter> module Insane
[22:07] <hsitter> class Widget < Qt::Widget
[22:07] <hsitter> end
[22:07] <hsitter> end
[22:07] <hsitter> widget = Insane::Widget.new
[22:08] <ScottK> [((a['name'], a['typename']), a['data']) for a in resp.answers]
[22:09]  * Quintasan can't understand
[22:09] <hsitter> hm
[22:09]  * hsitter doesn't like that
[22:09] <hsitter> looks weird
[22:10] <hsitter> a .each kind of method would really be better here
[22:10] <hsitter> looks better too ;-)
[22:13] <vorian> yummy
[22:14]  * hsitter starts flirting with rgreening
[22:15]  * rgreening thinks hsitterneeds to change his name to Ken first...
[22:15] <vorian> haha
[22:15] <rgreening> :)
[22:15] <rgreening> o/ Ken
[22:15] <Ken> nick.good_enough?
[22:16] <smarter> go for Barbie while you're at it
[22:16] <Barbie> :)
[22:16] <vorian> fantastic
[22:16]  * Ken starts flirting with vorian
[22:16] <Ken> :P
[22:17] <hans> now we just need a nina
[22:17] <hans> my nina
[22:17] <Ken> Oo
[22:17] <Ken> oh dear
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[22:18] <Vader> I am your father
[22:18] <Ken> hm
[22:18] <Ken> whos?
[22:18] <hans> 06/27/09|15:27 [freenode] -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- vader is not registered.
[22:19] <hans> too late
[22:19] <hsitter> :)
[22:19] <hsitter> If I am you and your are me, who am I
[22:20]  * hsitter flirts with hinslef
[22:20] <hsitter> lol
[22:20] <smarter> I am what I am because of what we all are, am I?
[22:20] <rgreening> whos that?
[22:20] <hans> ohmy
[22:20] <rgreening> self.exist?
[22:20] <hsitter> I think we have an identity crisis
[22:20] <rgreening> possibly
[22:21] <hans> nil
[22:21] <rgreening> oh dear
[22:21] <rgreening> self.kill
[22:21] <smarter> $ killall
[22:21] <hsitter> rgreening never uses the phrase 'oh dear'
[22:21] <hsitter> IMPOSTER.
[22:21] <hsitter> get him :)
[22:21] <rgreening> should
[22:21] <smarter> oy vei
[22:21] <rgreening> anyway
[22:21] <rgreening> someone needs to reinitialize me
[22:21] <rgreening> or rather
[22:21] <rgreening> self
[22:22] <hsitter> lol
[22:22] <rgreening> which is class me
[22:22] <rgreening> which is confusing
[22:22] <self> you know, we might eventually get kicked from some channels soon :P
[22:23] <rgreening> lol
[22:23] <hsitter> so
[22:23] <rgreening> good thing we never picked and lewd incarnations of our nick :)
[22:23] <hsitter> rgreening: what did you need my knowledge for?
[22:24] <hsitter> rgreening: apachelogger?
[22:24]  * rgreening believe hsitter started all this mess with hitting on me
[22:24] <hsitter> self.at_fault?
[22:24] <vorian> 06/27/09|15:27 [freenode] -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- vader is not registered.
[22:24] <vorian> er, weird
[22:24] <vorian> sorry
[22:24] <hsitter> we should do more repastes anyway
[22:25] <hsitter> we need a bot for that
[22:25] <vorian> pastebot!
[22:25] <hsitter> kubotu: nick pastebot
[22:25] <kubotu> hsitter, you don't have 'config::nick' permissions here
[22:25] <hsitter> darn you!
[22:25] <rgreening> lol
[22:25] <hsitter> I am your lord and master
[22:25]  * vorian notes that hsitter is not identifed to nickserv either
[22:25] <hsitter> true
[22:25] <apachelogger> kubotu: whoami
[22:25] <kubotu> you are *hsitter_618793488
[22:26] <apachelogger> am I?
[22:26] <rgreening> apachelogger:  I believe the isse was with translations + python
[22:26] <vorian> kubotu: whoami
[22:26] <kubotu> you are *vorian_616751928
[22:26] <vorian> huh
[22:27] <apachelogger> kubotu: whoami
[22:27] <kubotu> you are *hsitter_618793488
[22:27]  * apachelogger beats up the bot
[22:28] <apachelogger> kubotu: whoami
[22:28] <kubotu> you are my boss
[22:28] <apachelogger> much better
[22:28] <smarter> haha
[22:28] <vorian> lol
[22:29] <rgreening> apachelogger: In the usb-creator-kde app (in my PPA ~roderick-greening), I need to ensure I get translations figured out correctly as the gtk part uses gettext and I need to take advantage of their translations as well ... I'm not that good in this area.
[22:29] <rgreening> hah
[22:29] <apachelogger> no clue how it is done in python TBH
[22:29] <apachelogger> rgreening: take a look at jockey
[22:30] <rgreening> apachelogger: ok. I'll try that
[22:30] <apachelogger> you probably need to define the translation domain and then just make the kapplication get translations from there
[22:30] <rgreening> apachelogger: anyway, feel free to test drive the app.
[22:30] <apachelogger> urly
[22:30] <rgreening> I need some beta testers and bug fixers :)
[22:30] <rgreening> 1 sec
[22:31] <rgreening> apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive/ppa
[22:32]  * apachelogger aint is going to change any python :P
[22:32] <apachelogger> I always mess up the indents
[22:32] <rgreening> It's rough... being a port. But basically works.
[22:32] <rgreening> lol
[22:32] <rgreening> apachelogger: rule of thumb... 4 spaces always for each new level. Most python programmers use that for a tab replacement
[22:33] <apachelogger> I aint got no karmic :P
[22:33] <rgreening> apachelogger: should work/build for jaunty... it's just python
[22:33] <apachelogger> that is why I think it  will not :P
[22:34] <rgreening> lol
[22:34] <vorian> thems fighting words
[22:34] <rgreening> Ok, I have to jet for a bit... leter peeps :P
[22:34] <apachelogger> rgreening: icon needs rework
[22:35] <rgreening> apachelogger: Icon is being dev'd by kwii :) I asked and he said ok.
[22:35] <rgreening> assume you meant the human themed one.
[22:35] <apachelogger> I say ok
[22:36] <apachelogger> rgreening: first line sez Ubuntu :P
[22:36] <rgreening> where?
[22:36] <apachelogger> first line
[22:36] <apachelogger> To try or install Ubuntu from USB disk...
[22:36] <rgreening> Technically it's correct
[22:36] <apachelogger> rgreening: and it really should be using policykit
[22:37] <apachelogger> technically it is not
[22:37] <rgreening> apachelogger: It's in the TODO file
[22:37] <apachelogger> I am not installing the project, I am installing the product :P
[22:37] <apachelogger> rgreening: should get in before karmic, currently the other dialog is rather useless, since I would have to navigate to my home manually
[22:37] <apachelogger> == gtk dialog :P
[22:37] <rgreening> Technically the USB creator will install any Ubuntu
[22:38] <apachelogger> Kubuntu is not an Ubuntu
[22:38] <apachelogger> it's an Ubuntu derivate if one wants to say so
[22:38] <vorian> eat meat
[22:39] <apachelogger> but the dialog clearly states Ubuntu, which is either the project or the product ... unless Ubuntu is now also used for anything that requires branding in some way :P
[22:39] <apachelogger> Ubuntu - We brand everything
[22:39] <apachelogger> rgreening: the image column probably shouldn't state the fdo hal id but the name
[22:40] <rgreening> apachelogger: yeah, it's a bug
[22:40] <apachelogger> k
[22:40] <apachelogger> uhhhh
[22:40] <apachelogger> fancy
[22:40] <apachelogger> error => see log
[22:40] <apachelogger> that is the most useless kind of error :P
[22:40] <rgreening> lol. what puked
[22:41] <apachelogger> rgreening: format
[22:41] <rgreening> It's a HAL bug...
[22:41] <apachelogger> though I tried to format my dellutility partiton :D
[22:41] <apachelogger> rgreening: anyway, the dialog needs a rework
[22:41] <rgreening> It happens under GTK and KDE Client.
[22:41] <apachelogger> either show the log in an advanced type of button
[22:41] <apachelogger> or don't talk about it
[22:42] <rgreening> apachelogger: yeah, it's a straight port... so, still need to deal with some of the ported features...
[22:42] <rgreening> like the log part is likely to disappear (IMO)
[22:42] <rgreening> it should just work...
[22:42] <rgreening> :)
[22:42] <apachelogger> aye
[22:43] <rgreening> but feel free to open bugs on things to address :) the better I can make this ...
[22:43] <rgreening> lp:~usb-creator is the main package
[22:43] <apachelogger> don't feel like that right now :P
[22:43] <rgreening> :)
[22:43] <rgreening> Okies, I have to jet anyway...
[22:43]  * apachelogger is exhausted from writing about ruby
[22:45] <Quintasan> <3 Kate -> http://imagebin.ca/view/hlOjVS.html
[22:46] <apachelogger> pervert
[22:47] <apachelogger> having konsole at the top
[22:47] <apachelogger> ewww
[22:47] <apachelogger> Quintasan: btw, you should attend my ruby talk... I'll mention why one doesn't want to use print ;-)
[22:48] <Quintasan> :O
[22:48] <Quintasan> be sure to look for annoying questions from me ;P
[22:48] <Quintasan> apachelogger: about Kate, I'm too lazy to alt tab :P
[22:49] <apachelogger> talk.questions.each{|question|
[22:49] <apachelogger>   talk.answer(question) unless question.downcase.include?("python")
[22:49] <apachelogger> }
[22:49] <Quintasan> oh, I understood :D
[22:49] <apachelogger> :D
[22:49]  * Quintasan is starting to talk Ruby
[22:50] <apachelogger> \o/
[22:53] <Quintasan> <3 for (;;) cout << "I'm in ur PC eatin ur megahuntz" << endl;
[22:53] <smarter> Quintasan: use Yakuake
[22:53] <smarter> better than any integrated Konsole
[22:53]  * apachelogger disagrees
[22:53]  * smarter still agrees with himself
[22:54] <smarter> transparent Yakuake with multiple tabs is worth a thousand Konsole :]
[22:54]  * Quintasan uses Yakuake, Konsole and integrated Konsole
[22:54] <Quintasan> Why on earth I have to launch another window to execute one script?
[22:54] <apachelogger> smarter: well, that doesn't make much sense if it doesn't follow you around :P
[22:55]  * Quintasan is mad since old Radeon is old and is slow as hell
[22:55] <smarter> well, it follows my virtual desktop, what else should it follows?
[22:55] <apachelogger> smarter: the documents I hack on
[22:56] <apachelogger> which is IMHO the main advantage of the embedded terminal in kate
[22:56] <smarter> just hack in a single directory at a time :p
[22:56] <apachelogger> smarter: I never ever do that :P
[22:57] <smarter> plus, if you use a real shell(aka zsh), cd and friends don't look that much irritating
[22:57] <smarter> and magic tricks like pushd/popd
[22:58]  * Quintasan is accepting cash for new graphics card :3
[22:58] <Quintasan> smarter: pastebin me your .zshrc :P
[22:59] <smarter> Quintasan: I don't use a single .zshrc, but a custom version of this awesome set of config scripts: http://www.ctaf.free.fr/dokuwiki/doku?id=ctafconf
[23:00] <Quintasan> smarter: one time I had  .zshrc that was so good I could cry, but then bugged kernel in jaunty ate it :<
[23:02] <smarter> Quintasan: here is my diff to ctafconf: http://pastebin.com/m26372cc5
[23:02] <smarter> you probably want to change the zshrc.mine, zshenv.mine etc for stuff like EMAIL and DEBNAME ;)
[23:03] <smarter> Quintasan: and my ~/.zshrc and ~/.zshenv: http://pastebin.com/m6fc6a056
[23:04] <smarter> oooooh, fireworks
[23:04]  * smarter goes to his window
[23:06] <Quintasan> oh, bash prompt look cool
[23:07] <smarter> yay
[23:08] <smarter> and I customized it so that it shows rev number in svn and bzr directories, and branch in git directories
[23:08] <smarter> *branch name
[23:08] <Quintasan> guess I will apply whole diff and change it
[23:12] <smarter> example: http://imagebin.ca/view/5AsbpE.html
[23:12] <Quintasan> deep-thought?
[23:12] <Quintasan> :D
[23:14] <smarter> all my computers are named from H2G2 characters/computers ;)
[23:14] <vorian> loverly
[23:14] <vorian> deepthoght ftw
[23:14] <vorian> thought even
[23:16] <smarter> one thing I should add to my zsh prompt config is a different color when it's not a local prompt(which means ssh most of the time) to avoid doing things on the wrong machine :p
[23:16] <vorian> that would be wise
[23:16] <vorian> i'm not a big fan of zsh
[23:16] <vorian> although it's mostly because i'm lazy
[23:17] <smarter> probably ;)
[23:17] <smarter> cause it's awesome
[23:17] <smarter> and it has a tetris too
[23:17] <vorian> whoo, shiny
[23:17] <Quintasan> tetris?
[23:17] <Quintasan> ARGH I'm lost with those all config files
[23:18] <vorian> it's a block game
[23:18] <vorian> :P
[23:18] <Quintasan> I know tetris, how do I launch it in zsh? :D
[23:19] <vorian> where did you meet him?
[23:19] <Quintasan> FFFUUU-
[23:19] <vorian> eek!
[23:19] <vorian> i can luanch tetris with bash
[23:19] <vorian> tetris
[23:20] <smarter> it's not built-in ;)
[23:20] <smarter> in zsh
[23:20] <smarter> tetris
[23:20] <smarter> says "Use M-x tetris RET to play tetris."
[23:20] <smarter> do that, and you get a tetris
[23:21] <vorian> that's just too flippin hard
[23:21] <vorian> born again shell for me
[23:21] <Quintasan> argh, how can I purge those cta files?
[23:21] <Quintasan> I would like to start over -_-'
[23:21] <smarter> Quintasan: there are instructions in the wiki
[23:24] <vorian> whoa
[23:24] <vorian> major shortage of ppa build machines
[23:24] <vorian> when did that happen?
[23:25] <Quintasan> smarter: not helpful, ct-uninstall doesn't exist
[23:25] <smarter> vorian: probably when someone tripped over the plug :p
[23:26] <vorian> i bet
[23:26] <smarter> Quintasan: haven't tried to install it in a long time, but I can give you a tar.gz of the ctafconf dir
[23:26] <Quintasan> smarter: that would help :)
[23:30] <smarter> Quintasan: http://smarter.free.fr/config/ctafconf.tar.bz2
[23:30] <smarter> untar that in ~/.config
[23:30] <smarter> then replace .zshrc and .zshenv by what I pastebin-ed
[23:33] <Quintasan> thanks, looks good now
[23:34] <smarter> you're welcome ;)
[23:35] <smarter> as I said, be sure to edit .config/ctafconf/perso/zsh*.mine
[23:38] <Quintasan> hmm it leaves a wried blank space when using completion
[23:40] <Quintasan> smarter: ^ http://imagebin.ca/view/CMGnvDm.html
[23:41] <smarter> that happens sometimes when you're in a directory with a modified prompt(here, revision number of the svn)
[23:41] <smarter> haven't found why :/
[23:41] <smarter> 'night
[23:43] <Quintasan> nn smarter