| jmarsden|work | c0rleone: You are apparently trying to update a customized Apache installation, which includes a module named mod-vhost-alias-apache2.2-webfusion -- and that module may have issues? Where did you get that module from? You might want to try removing all apache-related modules, and then installing the "normal" Ubuntu apache2 metapackage. But figuring out how you got that module installed in the first place wou | 00:12 |
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| jmarsden|work | ld be wise, before you go any further. | 00:12 |
| === Captain`Picard is now known as Hasbro | ||
| DelphiWorld | how i can add a new repository to apt-get? | 01:04 |
| jmedina | vi /etc/apt/sources.list | 01:06 |
| orudie | !latest | 01:31 |
| ubottu | Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are: fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports. | 01:31 |
| hikenboot | .config that works with ubuntu /debian preferably with ext4 lvm and software RAID1? I can seem to get mine to boot with these things included so looking to try another config oh for a .29 kernel??? | 01:36 |
| LiraNuna | uh | 01:40 |
| LiraNuna | I just found a security vulnerability in ubuntu's apache2 | 01:41 |
| LiraNuna | denial of service... | 01:41 |
| a1fa_ | yp | 03:08 |
| a1fa_ | i am having a problem with netinstall | 03:09 |
| === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening | ||
| Anirban1987 | Can I install and run Firestarter for configuring iptables without having X-window env. installed in Ubuntu 9.04 server ? | 03:11 |
| pmatulis | Anirban1987: no | 03:13 |
| a1fa_ | <netboot\pxelinux.0>: sent 1 blk, 0 bytes in 1 s. 0 blk resent [26/06 21:13:56.078] | 03:14 |
| a1fa_ | 30472 Request 2 not processed [26/06 21:13:56.141] | 03:14 |
| a1fa_ | fucker is not downloading pxelinux | 03:14 |
| Anirban1987 | pmatulis : Then how can I run firestarter ? | 03:15 |
| pmatulis | Anirban1987: install X | 03:15 |
| Anirban1987 | pmatulis : What are the shell command to do that ? | 03:16 |
| pmatulis | Anirban1987: '$ sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop', but have you considered 'ufw'? | 03:17 |
| hikenboot | anyone know how one continues booting after manually lvm lvchange -a y into volume? this is at the initramfs prompt! | 03:18 |
| Anirban1987 | pmatulis : Ya, currently I use it. | 03:18 |
| pmatulis | Anirban1987: obviously you're not satisfied | 03:18 |
| Anirban1987 | pmatulis : ya, but installing ubuntu-desktop only to hav Firestarter is too much ! | 03:19 |
| pmatulis | Anirban1987: correct | 03:19 |
| pmatulis | Anirban1987: guess you're going to be learning iptables... | 03:20 |
| Anirban1987 | pmatulis : Unfortunately in the absense of Firestarter , I have to learn it now to properly run a server :( | 03:21 |
| pmatulis | Anirban1987: good luck, it's the dog's breakfast | 03:21 |
| pmatulis | Anirban1987: if your rules will be static, you can always set up firestarter on a separate X-based machine, configure the rules, steal the iptables rules, and then stuff them in your server | 03:24 |
| pmatulis | at least it may be a way to learn iptables | 03:25 |
| === MagicFab is now known as FabMagic | ||
| === FabMagic is now known as MagicFab | ||
| Anirban1987 | pmatulis : Good Idea , another prob I am having : This msg is being displayed by phpmyadmin : Your PHP MySQL library version 5.0.75 differs from your MySQL server version 5.1.31. This may cause unpredictable behavior. | 03:35 |
| pmatulis | Anirban1987: sorry, can't help there | 03:37 |
| LiraNuna | Ubuntu server (as well as debian) is vulnerable to a recent DoS attack found in apache - here's a fix http://www.liranuna.com/securing-your-debian-server-against-slowloris/ | 03:38 |
| LiraNuna | please oh please don't boot me thinking this is any kind of advertisement, this is real | 03:39 |
| LiraNuna | I even filed a security bug | 03:39 |
| MagicFab | LiraNuna, do you have the Launchpad bug URL ? | 03:40 |
| LiraNuna | it's private | 03:41 |
| LiraNuna | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/392759 | 03:41 |
| uvirtbot | LiraNuna: Error: This bug is private | 03:42 |
| LiraNuna | I believe all security bugs are marked as private | 03:42 |
| LiraNuna | MagicFab, read my post and see for yourself, my server was vulnerable | 03:42 |
| * pmatulis pmatulis waves to MagicFab | 03:43 | |
| pmatulis | blah | 03:43 |
| a1fa_ | damn | 03:47 |
| a1fa_ | anyone have Rackable Systems servers? | 03:47 |
| MagicFab | LiraNuna, your post didn't have any Ubuntu info, that's why I asked. | 03:59 |
| LiraNuna | MagicFab, I run ubuntu server, but it's compatible with debian, so I posted it as such | 04:00 |
| a1fa_ | anyway to update generic intel bios though ubuntu? | 04:01 |
| MagicFab | LiraNuna, it's not exactly the same and as you may know - tx for pointing out the bug, because it's filed as security I am confident it will be looked into soonish. | 04:02 |
| LiraNuna | MagicFab, I hope so too, it took down my server in seconds | 04:02 |
| LiraNuna | worse thing is apache still runs so you don't even know | 04:02 |
| LiraNuna | you just think it's a really busy hour | 04:02 |
| methods | can i get /dev/tcp socket support in bash ? | 05:10 |
| genii | methods: get the ubuntu source of bash then compile with build options described here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/215034 | 05:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 215034 in bash "add /dev/tcp/... support" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 05:14 |
| wizardslovak | hello is anyone here? | 05:36 |
| wizardslovak | when i type sudo apt-get update it shows "failed to fetch httpd://.." | 05:37 |
| wizardslovak | noone here to help | 05:43 |
| peerless | Hi ppl .. i have a query | 06:17 |
| peerless | how to change the terminal name which appears in the shell .. | 06:17 |
| peerless | hope we have a environment variable for it..anyone could help me telling its name?> | 06:18 |
| jmarsden | peerless: The "terminal name"? Can you give an example? The hostname, maybe? | 06:50 |
| jmarsden | The bash environment variable PS1 can change your shell prompt in *many* ways... | 06:50 |
| jmarsden | But what do you mean by "terminal name"? | 06:50 |
| peerless | thats it thanks @jmarsden | 06:51 |
| jmarsden | So you can do PS1='\u@\h:\w\$ ' # for a fairly standard user@hostname:directory$ | 06:51 |
| rags2 | Smokeping was working fine for a few days until I added new targets to it and it started giving me permission errors..for /var/lib/smokeping..anyone face this problem? | 07:04 |
| kees | LiraNuna: you can unmark it private since it's a public issue | 08:30 |
| LiraNuna | kees, are you the module creator? | 08:30 |
| kees | what? | 08:31 |
| kees | i meant the slowloris bug | 08:31 |
| LiraNuna | yes, but someone told me that someone nicknamed Kees have made mod_antiloris | 08:32 |
| kees | security bugs start their life private, but you're prompted with the option to make them public | 08:32 |
| kees | not me | 08:32 |
| LiraNuna | ps. made public | 08:32 |
| LiraNuna | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/392759 | 08:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 392759 in apache2 "apache2 DoS attack using slowloris" [Undecided,New] | 08:32 |
| kees | excellent | 08:32 |
| LiraNuna | I advise people to install that | 08:33 |
| LiraNuna | there's gonna be a lot of script kiddies running this | 08:33 |
| LiraNuna | more here: http://www.liranuna.com/securing-your-debian-server-against-slowloris/ | 08:33 |
| zavy | scappo ciao raga! | 08:38 |
| dalfz | what's the best way to give postfix access to /etc/sasldb2 from its /var/spool/postfix/etc chroot environment? i rather don't want to copy the file manually | 09:24 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #392826 in dhcp3 (main) "dhcp3-server is launched before NetworkManager and thus doesn't find interfaces" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/392826 | 09:26 |
| AnAnt | Hello , is it true that ppl in Debian didn't yet agree on changing default dependancy on exim4 to default-mta ? | 11:37 |
| AnAnt | ie, that it is still a discussion ? | 11:38 |
| incorrect | AnAnt, ask debian people | 11:52 |
| AnAnt | ok | 11:52 |
| Bboy | Hi | 13:30 |
| Bboy | I can't install acpid pkg every time i try i get this err msg http://paste.ubuntu.com/204879/,, does anyone knows how 2 fix this? please | 13:30 |
| ivoks | starting acpid fails for some reason | 13:31 |
| Bboy | yes | 13:31 |
| Bboy | im on ubuntu-server 9.04 | 13:31 |
| ivoks | try starting it manually; maybe you'll see where is the problem | 13:31 |
| Bboy | im trying 2 install ubuntu-desktop throu ssh by using aptitude | 13:32 |
| Bboy | but it seems that *-desktop is depndant on acpid | 13:33 |
| ivoks | well, try starting acpid manually | 13:33 |
| ivoks | /etc/init.d/acpid start | 13:33 |
| ivoks | i see what you are tryinh | 13:33 |
| ivoks | and i don't know why are you on this channed | 13:33 |
| ivoks | channel | 13:33 |
| Bboy | i tried ubuntu channel | 13:34 |
| Bboy | some one talled me 2 try this channel | 13:34 |
| ivoks | -server means 'talking about development|using ubuntu-server' | 13:34 |
| Bboy | mmmmm sorry about that | 13:35 |
| ivoks | ahyway, try starting it manually | 13:35 |
| ivoks | grrr lots of typos today | 13:35 |
| ivoks | don't send private messages | 13:36 |
| Bboy | ok | 13:37 |
| Bboy | ~# /etc/init.d/acpid start | 13:37 |
| Bboy | * Starting ACPI services... acpid: can't open /proc/acpi/event: No such file or directory | 13:37 |
| ivoks | uname -a | 13:37 |
| Bboy | what do u mean by uname -a? | 13:38 |
| ivoks | give me the output of that command | 13:38 |
| ivoks | well? | 13:39 |
| ivoks | that command provides some info that's needed to help you | 13:39 |
| ivoks | like kernel version and arch | 13:40 |
| Bboy | acpid: can't open /proc/acpi/event: No such file or directory | 13:42 |
| Bboy | is this what u mean? | 13:42 |
| ivoks | no | 13:42 |
| ivoks | type 'uname -a' and hit enter | 13:42 |
| Bboy | 2.6.27.10-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv4-32 #5 SMP Wed Apr 1 13:09:49 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux | 13:43 |
| ivoks | so, this is not ubuntu | 13:43 |
| ivoks | ubuntu doesn't have kernel named 2.6.27.10-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv4-32 | 13:44 |
| ivoks | if you are using custom kernel, you are on your own | 13:44 |
| ivoks | i could just give you a hint | 13:44 |
| ivoks | you are missing acpi support in your kernel or you didn't load acpi modules | 13:44 |
| Nafallo | it might well be Ubuntu, but with a custom kernel :-) | 13:45 |
| Nafallo | just saying | 13:45 |
| ivoks | Nafallo: that makes it linux, not ubuntu :D | 13:45 |
| Bboy | when i login throu ssh using root it tells me it is ubuntu server 9.04 but it must that my service provider is missing up with the kernal | 13:45 |
| ivoks | 9.04 uses linux 2.6.28 | 13:45 |
| Nafallo | ivoks: I disagree, but okay. | 13:45 |
| ivoks | Nafallo: well, it really isn't that important ;) | 13:46 |
| Nafallo | ivoks: agreed :-) | 13:46 |
| * ivoks just got corrupted ext3 on 10TB partition | 13:46 | |
| Bboy | this is a rented server thro ovh data center in france | 13:47 |
| ivoks | should i shoot my self now or wait for natural death once fsck finishes? | 13:47 |
| Nafallo | ivoks: you should have used ext4. clearly. | 13:47 |
| ivoks | Nafallo: you mean, xfs | 13:47 |
| n0gear | ivoks: maybe spinrite might help? | 13:48 |
| Nafallo | ivoks: I actually meant ext4 :-) | 13:48 |
| ivoks | i don't trust ext4 that much yet | 13:48 |
| ivoks | i use in on my laptop, but not on servers... yet | 13:48 |
| Nafallo | ivoks: well... that's why I used ext4 as a troll, yes :-P | 13:48 |
| ivoks | anyway, that's 8.04, so ext4 wasn't an option | 13:48 |
| ivoks | n0gear: ? | 13:49 |
| ivoks | ah... | 13:49 |
| ivoks | spinrite | 13:49 |
| n0gear | Spinrite ... supposed to fix HDs pretty well | 13:49 |
| ivoks | no, i'll recover filesystem first | 13:49 |
| ivoks | spinrite is, afaik, raw reading data | 13:49 |
| ivoks | Bboy left | 13:50 |
| ivoks | well, it's not like i could help him; kernel doesn't support acpi | 13:51 |
| VSpike | Does anyone know of a webmail package that uses lighttpd, or if there's a way to use roundcube or squirrelmail with lighttpd? | 14:17 |
| ivoks | is there a reason why those tools don't work with other web servers? | 14:21 |
| ivoks | i mean... those are web apps; they should work with any web server | 14:21 |
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| VSpike | ivoks: i think they would ... but they seem to be packaged to work with apache | 14:26 |
| ivoks | ? | 14:26 |
| VSpike | It would seem more sensible to try to package them against a virtual package "web server" | 14:26 |
| ivoks | Depends: dbconfig-common, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, apache2 | lighttpd | httpd | 14:27 |
| VSpike | ivoks: what was that from? | 14:27 |
| ivoks | apt-cache show roundcube-core | 14:27 |
| VSpike | Yeah, I see what you mean | 14:28 |
| ivoks | so, install lighttpd | 14:28 |
| ivoks | and it won't install other web servers | 14:28 |
| VSpike | ivoks: what do you make of this then? http://pastebin.com/m3af1bc6b | 14:30 |
| ivoks | probably php pulls apache in | 14:31 |
| ivoks | right | 14:31 |
| ivoks | Depends: libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-3ubuntu4) | libapache2-mod-php5filter (>= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-3ubuntu4) | php5-cgi (>= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-3ubuntu4), php5-common (>= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-3ubuntu4) | 14:31 |
| ivoks | so, install php5-cgi first | 14:31 |
| VSpike | ivoks: you're a star.. thanks! | 14:33 |
| ivoks | in days of disks with more than 1TB, how sane is to provide support for ext2 and ext3? :(( | 16:57 |
| ivoks | i will not use ext3 any more | 16:57 |
| maswan | If you partition, like is sensible for servers, ext3 is fine for OS but not data. | 17:02 |
| ivoks | i'm fscking 10TB ext3 | 17:03 |
| RoAkSoAx | ivoks, how many days is gonna take you :) | 17:05 |
| ivoks | i hope less than 2 | 17:05 |
| ivoks | cause on monday, that data should be available to the users | 17:05 |
| RoAkSoAx | that's a lot | 17:05 |
| ivoks | oh, yeah... | 17:10 |
| ivoks | and the next noebel prize should go to the author of testdisk | 17:10 |
| RoAkSoAx | hahah | 17:10 |
| ivoks | for humanity | 17:11 |
| ivoks | that guy saves lives | 17:11 |
| RoAkSoAx | haha | 17:14 |
| ropetin | Afternoon all, anyone an iptables expert? :) | 17:52 |
| ivoks | not an expert, but could try helping | 17:54 |
| ropetin | Thanks ivoks! I'm looking for a way to duplicate traffic from one nic to another. I.e. traffic comes in on eth0 and does whatever it normally does) but also duplicates it out to eth1, for processing by another system. I've found an iptables patch that seems to offer a similar function, but nothing default | 17:55 |
| ivoks | uh | 17:56 |
| ropetin | Kind of like bridging it, but not bridging it as well :) | 17:56 |
| ivoks | i'm not sure you could... clone a package | 17:57 |
| ivoks | you could redirect it... | 17:57 |
| RoAkSoAx | ivoks, condor contains a debian directory in src/packaging/debian. Should I base my work on that or I should pay attention to it? | 17:58 |
| ropetin | Redirect? Sounds like it could work | 17:58 |
| ivoks | have you looked at ifenslave? | 17:58 |
| ropetin | I haven't, but Iwill now you've suggested it, thanks! | 17:58 |
| ivoks | redirect means that it won't be available on the first interface | 17:58 |
| ropetin | Could I redirect it to multiple ports do you think? | 17:58 |
| ivoks | RoAkSoAx: oh, that's nice... i haven't looked at it :/ | 17:58 |
| ivoks | ropetin: sure; but you just want to forward all traffice from eth0 to eth1? | 17:59 |
| ivoks | that's not duplicating | 17:59 |
| ivoks | that's moving | 17:59 |
| RoAkSoAx | ivoks, what should I do then? | 18:00 |
| ivoks | RoAkSoAx: use that | 18:00 |
| ropetin | Hmmmm, lemme think on this more, I'll get back to you when I know what I really want to do | 18:00 |
| ivoks | RoAkSoAx: check if there's ITP in debian for condor | 18:00 |
| ropetin | Thanks! | 18:00 |
| RoAkSoAx | ivoks, ITP ? | 18:01 |
| ivoks | intention to package | 18:01 |
| ivoks | people that would like to package something for debian, report ITP 'bugs' | 18:01 |
| RoAkSoAx | ivoks, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=233482 | 18:02 |
| uvirtbot | Debian bug 233482 in wnpp "ITP: condor -- high throughput computing job scheduling" [Wishlist,Open] | 18:02 |
| RoAkSoAx | ivoks, though it is a bit old | 18:03 |
| ivoks | RoAkSoAx: look at last email | 18:04 |
| ivoks | there are some incompatibilities with debian | 18:04 |
| ivoks | RoAkSoAx: leave it; work on something else :) | 18:04 |
| RoAkSoAx | ivoks, Ok, I guess I'll work on cobbler | 18:05 |
| RoAkSoAx | soren, ping! | 18:05 |
| ivoks | yep | 18:05 |
| iamslango | hey everyone | 18:08 |
| iamslango | so here is the deal. I like to keep everything (configurations, data, docroot) in a folder heirarchy under /web/ | 18:09 |
| iamslango | how do i tell Apache to look for it's configuration there? does that require a re-compile? | 18:10 |
| iamslango | one thought I had was to simply move the apache2 configurations to that directory, and include apache2.conf or httpd.conf or whatever the default is from the default config file. (the default config file would have nothing in it other than the include) | 18:12 |
| ivoks | configuration for apache? why? | 18:12 |
| iamslango | ivoks, why what? | 18:12 |
| ivoks | you could add a file in /etc/apache2/conf.d/ | 18:13 |
| ivoks | with this line: | 18:13 |
| iamslango | ivoks, I don't just want custom configuration... that's part of it | 18:13 |
| ivoks | Include /web/configuration/*.conf | 18:13 |
| iamslango | but what I want is a completely working set of apache configs in /web/conf/apache/ | 18:13 |
| iamslango | I have multiple machines, and having all of my configs, data etc in one place is convenient for getting a uniform environment running across all machines | 18:14 |
| ivoks | mount bind? | 18:14 |
| ivoks | so, /web is NFS? | 18:14 |
| ivoks | or some sort of shared filesystem | 18:14 |
| iamslango | ivoks, no | 18:14 |
| iamslango | just a regular directory | 18:15 |
| iamslango | but being able to tar up /web/ in one shot, and drop it onto my other machines is convenient | 18:15 |
| ivoks | well, create /web/conf | 18:15 |
| ivoks | copy all from /etc/apache2/* to /web/conf | 18:15 |
| ivoks | bind mount /etc/apache2/ to /web/conf | 18:16 |
| ivoks | and that's it | 18:16 |
| iamslango | hmm, I guess that's a pretty reasonable plan | 18:16 |
| iamslango | though won't I have to worry about apt-get changing or creating files there? | 18:17 |
| ivoks | create a script that would umount /etc/apache2/, do an upgrade and then mount again | 18:17 |
| iamslango | reasonable | 18:18 |
| ivoks | i've never tested this, so it might not work | 18:19 |
| ivoks | but atm, i don't see why it wouldn't | 18:19 |
| ivoks | but... | 18:20 |
| ivoks | i also have need for my configuration | 18:21 |
| ivoks | and i just drop mu conf file in /etc/apache2/conf.d | 18:21 |
| ivoks | everything you configure there will override what's defined in apache2.conf | 18:21 |
| ivoks | or add a file that will include stuf from /web/conf/* | 18:22 |
| ivoks | if you go with a script that will umount and mount, be sure to stop apache before umounting | 18:23 |
| BigJB | if you were going to write a script for that why not just write a script that checks the conf file in etc/apache2 against the one in your shared directory and update if necessary? | 18:25 |
| giovani | iamslango: you need a configuration/change management system | 19:02 |
| giovani | if you need to manage configs across a lot of boxes | 19:02 |
| giovani | not ugly hacks :) | 19:02 |
| iamslango | giovani, it's not really a lot | 19:02 |
| iamslango | 3 or 4 | 19:02 |
| giovani | but they all have identical configs? | 19:03 |
| iamslango | ideally | 19:03 |
| iamslango | they aren't the same machine | 19:03 |
| giovani | is this a load-balanced setup? | 19:03 |
| iamslango | not even similar distros | 19:03 |
| iamslango | giovani, nope | 19:03 |
| giovani | then how are the configs identical? | 19:03 |
| iamslango | just 2 development workstations, a testing server and a production server | 19:04 |
| iamslango | giovani, apache configs | 19:04 |
| iamslango | not system configs | 19:04 |
| ivoks | omg | 19:04 |
| giovani | right, I understand that -- but, dev stuff shouldn't be identical to production and testing stuff | 19:04 |
| ivoks | configs for apaches are different accros distributions | 19:04 |
| ivoks | you probably have different apache versions | 19:04 |
| giovani | that too | 19:04 |
| iamslango | ivoks, no, I take great pains to keep versions in sync | 19:05 |
| giovani | in sync? | 19:05 |
| giovani | heh | 19:05 |
| ivoks | still, they aren't compiled the same | 19:05 |
| giovani | why would dev and testing machines be on different distros than the production? | 19:05 |
| iamslango | ivoks, how do you know? | 19:05 |
| giovani | that's so bizarre | 19:05 |
| giovani | iamslango: because every distro does so by hand, with their own patches, and modifications | 19:05 |
| ivoks | iamslango: for start, fedora/redhat calls it httpd, debian/ubuntu apache | 19:06 |
| iamslango | giovani, the workstations are different | 19:06 |
| iamslango | ivoks, that's a trivial difference | 19:06 |
| giovani | iamslango: if they're "dev workstations" -- then they should be the same | 19:06 |
| ivoks | iamslango: not | 19:06 |
| giovani | clearly they're running the webserver ... why? | 19:06 |
| ivoks | iamslango: one has LockFile /var/lock/apache2/accept.lock and the other LockFile /var/lock/httpd/accept.lock | 19:07 |
| ivoks | and let's not get into /var/log | 19:07 |
| ivoks | or /usr/share | 19:07 |
| giovani | this is what config management is for | 19:07 |
| ivoks | so, it's not that trivial | 19:07 |
| giovani | and this is why blatant copying of configs is improper | 19:07 |
| ivoks | listen to giovani | 19:08 |
| ivoks | or... compile apache on your own | 19:08 |
| giovani | I realize the temptation to simply copy files around | 19:08 |
| giovani | it's simple when you've only got a few boxes | 19:08 |
| iamslango | ivoks, I do compile my own apache on my archlinux machines | 19:08 |
| iamslango | and my own PHP | 19:08 |
| iamslango | in fact, everything is archlinux | 19:08 |
| giovani | but, it's really not scalable, and it's not going to work well in your situation either -- nor do I think you even want highly similar configs across your dev and production boxes | 19:08 |
| iamslango | except this ubuntu box | 19:08 |
| iamslango | and I don't really care enough about this machine to do anything complex | 19:09 |
| ivoks | then put archlinux instead of ubuntu | 19:09 |
| ivoks | and then share config files | 19:09 |
| iamslango | anyway, how I set up my personal blog isn't really worth this much debate | 19:10 |
| giovani | your personal blog has a production, testing, and 2 dev boxes? | 19:11 |
| ivoks | and cause of one web site you want to share configs | 19:12 |
| ivoks | and you compile apaches? | 19:12 |
| ivoks | where one web site = blog | 19:12 |
| ivoks | it's great if you are going to learn something, but don't get carried away... | 19:13 |
| iamslango | ivoks, the dev boxes aren't servers... perhaps I should have been clear | 19:16 |
| iamslango | they are workstations for development | 19:16 |
| iamslango | not servers | 19:16 |
| iamslango | the testing server is just on my local network | 19:16 |
| iamslango | I may or may not actually use it | 19:16 |
| ivoks | so, workstations don't have apache running? | 19:16 |
| giovani | if they run apache, they're "servers" for the intents and purposes here | 19:18 |
| giovani | brb | 19:19 |
| iamslango | well, right, they are servers in the sense that they run an apache instance | 19:22 |
| iamslango | but they aren't solely webservers | 19:23 |
| iamslango | they are workstations which happen to run a server | 19:23 |
| ivoks | so, in the light of our discussion, they are servers | 19:24 |
| ivoks | and you want to share configuration for apache across couple of servers with two distributions | 19:25 |
| ivoks | in this discussion, we don't care if you are running postfix or firefox side by side with apache | 19:26 |
| iamslango | ivoks, right | 19:29 |
| iamslango | but these aren't mission-critical things here | 19:29 |
| iamslango | if there are some rough edges, so be it | 19:29 |
| iamslango | sure, I'll probably have to make adjustments from one machine to the next | 19:29 |
| iamslango | the benefit is in having everything in a uniform location on all machines | 19:30 |
| iamslango | I know exactly where to look for my server configs, my docroots, my mysql database tables and so on | 19:30 |
| ivoks | and otherwise, you don't? | 19:31 |
| ivoks | i, to some extent, understand what you are trying to achive | 19:31 |
| iamslango | ivoks, keeping everything I need to worry about under one directory structure helps me stay organized and simplifies things | 19:31 |
| iamslango | keeping a similar set of configuration files (ie. picking a standard way of organizing my apache configuration) also makes my life easier | 19:32 |
| ivoks | i haven't used non-debian distributions for a bit over decade | 19:32 |
| giovani | heh | 19:33 |
| giovani | I wish I could say the same | 19:33 |
| iamslango | even if there are changes, having a standard of all vhosts in one file, or 1 vhost per file makes things simple | 19:33 |
| ivoks | so i don't know exactly how others (except for redhat, solaris and freebsd) handle that | 19:33 |
| ivoks | but debian has very nice fature, called sites-available|enabled and conf.d | 19:33 |
| iamslango | it's not so much about copying identical configurations | 19:33 |
| ivoks | and everything you are talking about know, fits into conf.d | 19:33 |
| iamslango | just having a standard organization to my configurations and data | 19:33 |
| iamslango | ivoks, that can be done on every distribution | 19:34 |
| ivoks | so, you are reinventing sites-available :D | 19:34 |
| ivoks | sure it can | 19:34 |
| iamslango | you just include sites-available/* | 19:34 |
| ivoks | do it on archlinux and just copy configuration to sites-available | 19:34 |
| ivoks | and enable it, or whatelse | 19:34 |
| iamslango | ivoks, that's what I'm doing | 19:34 |
| iamslango | something similar | 19:35 |
| iamslango | but I still like the idea of keeping it all separate from the rest of the system | 19:35 |
| iamslango | outside of /etc/ | 19:35 |
| iamslango | in its own heirarchy | 19:35 |
| giovani | heh | 19:36 |
| iamslango | that way i don't have to remember if my apache configuration is in /etc/apache2 on ubuntu, but in /etc/httpd/ on archlinux and in /opt/local/apache2/ on OS X | 19:36 |
| giovani | right ... you only have to remember that exact same stuff for the 100 other apps on your box | 19:37 |
| giovani | this is so pointless | 19:37 |
| giovani | this is what config management is FOR | 19:37 |
| giovani | to take all of this away from memory | 19:37 |
| giovani | and automate it | 19:37 |
| giovani | for 20 different platforms | 19:37 |
| giovani | automatically | 19:37 |
| ivoks | look at puppet and that other thing | 19:38 |
| giovani | cfengine, puppet, the list goes on | 19:38 |
| ivoks | or, compile your own apache | 19:38 |
| iamslango | I'll look into puppet | 19:39 |
| iamslango | anyway, it's time for me to shwoer | 19:39 |
| giovani | well look into all of them | 19:39 |
| giovani | not just one | 19:39 |
| iamslango | will do | 19:40 |
| iamslango | thanks for the recommendation | 19:40 |
| giovani | I made this recommendation about 30 minutes ag | 19:40 |
| giovani | ago* | 19:40 |
| giovani | we could've all saved time if you took it then | 19:41 |
| ivoks | hehe | 19:41 |
| ivoks | you haven't said the name of the tool | 19:41 |
| ivoks | nothing too google for :) | 19:41 |
| ivoks | bah, to | 19:41 |
| giovani | I said "config management" | 19:41 |
| giovani | I don't encourage single tools | 19:41 |
| iamslango | giovani, you're more than a little bit condescending about things | 19:41 |
| iamslango | that's why I ignored you from the beginning. | 19:42 |
| iamslango | anyway, I have a baseball game to get to | 19:42 |
| ivoks | giovani: hahahahaha | 19:42 |
| ivoks | giovani: that's what you get when you try to help someone | 19:43 |
| giovani | indeed -- he thought he knew best, couldn't do much to convince him otherwise | 19:43 |
| ivoks | i felt that too | 19:44 |
| ivoks | it was like 'nah, i have to work this ubuntu too, so i'll ask those newbies at ubuntu-server'' | 19:44 |
| giovani | heh | 19:44 |
| giovani | I just don't understand the point of asking for help when you don't want it | 19:45 |
| giovani | if you feel like you know best ... then go do it that way, and don't complain | 19:45 |
| ivoks | people don't know how to do it | 19:46 |
| ivoks | so, they want to found out how to do something by (missing english word) the product you use | 19:47 |
| ivoks | :D | 19:47 |
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| PhyloGenesis | I've been trying to get subversion installed on my newly set up server, but I think I screwed up the configuration somewhere along the line. I followed tutorials on setting up the server with Apache 2.0, dav_svn or something like that. I would like to remove SVN completely and set it up fresh, will someone help me do that? | 20:54 |
| giovani | PhyloGenesis: undo the steps you did | 21:00 |
| PhyloGenesis | One specific question I have is that the file etc/apache2/mods-available/dav_svn.conf says, "Note, a literal /svn should NOT exist in your document root." but it doesn't say anything about where it SHOULD go. | 21:00 |
| giovani | i.e. uninstall things you installed, remove files you added, and rollback modifications to files you made | 21:00 |
| giovani | PhyloGenesis: it's probably defined in that .conf | 21:01 |
| PhyloGenesis | The next line is: <Location /svn> (which isn't a comment line) | 21:01 |
| PhyloGenesis | Nevermind that, I'll ask when I better know what I'm talking about. | 21:02 |
| _ruben | hmm .. seems the only way to config multiple ipv6 addresses on a nic is using "up ip -6 addr add ...." .. kinda nasty | 21:03 |
| giovani | PhyloGenesis: so I'm unclear on what you're asking ... it's clearly doing what I said -- defining /svn in that file | 21:06 |
| giovani | _ruben: how is that more nasty than aliases? | 21:07 |
| giovani | I find it much less-so | 21:07 |
| PhyloGenesis | giovani: Why is it doing that if it explicitly says that I SHOULDN'T have one in my document root? | 21:08 |
| giovani | because your documentroot is a totally different setting, which does different things? | 21:08 |
| PhyloGenesis | so it isn't putting it there? | 21:09 |
| giovani | ... no | 21:09 |
| PhyloGenesis | ok | 21:09 |
| giovani | I suggest you read some of the apache documentation before you're responsible for running a webserver | 21:09 |
| PhyloGenesis | Nobody else is relying on it, so no worries. | 21:10 |
| giovani | ok, well best to read it before you go configuring things that require apache | 21:10 |
| ivoks | so, what's the issue? | 21:11 |
| ivoks | /etc/apache2/conf.d/webdav | 21:11 |
| ivoks | <Location /webdav> | 21:11 |
| ivoks | DAV On | 21:11 |
| ivoks | </Location> | 21:12 |
| giovani | there isn't a problem ... | 21:12 |
| ivoks | DAVLockDB /var/lock/apache2/dav_lock | 21:12 |
| PhyloGenesis | I don't have that first file | 21:12 |
| ivoks | Alias /webdav /path/to/the/whatever | 21:12 |
| ivoks | of course you don't | 21:12 |
| giovani | PhyloGenesis: you don't have what file? | 21:12 |
| ivoks | create it | 21:12 |
| PhyloGenesis | I think first I should remove and undo things I did when setting it up | 21:13 |
| PhyloGenesis | but what exactly to undo I don't know | 21:14 |
| PhyloGenesis | I uninstalled subversion | 21:14 |
| PhyloGenesis | removed /var/svn | 21:14 |
| giovani3 | well you're the only one who knows what you did | 21:14 |
| giovani3 | we certainly don't | 21:14 |
| ivoks | oh, svn | 21:14 |
| ivoks | not webdav :) | 21:14 |
| giovani3 | ivoks: I was wondering why you were pasting other stuff | 21:14 |
| ivoks | probably the same, though... :) | 21:14 |
| ivoks | i wasn't... i was writting :D | 21:14 |
| giovani3 | not even close :) | 21:15 |
| PhyloGenesis | That's why I was wondering how I can just restart all the stuff. (except the actual server installation) | 21:15 |
| giovani3 | PhyloGenesis: you can't | 21:15 |
| giovani3 | you need to know what you did | 21:15 |
| giovani3 | to undo it | 21:15 |
| giovani3 | for obvious reasons | 21:15 |
| ivoks | well, for svn you need webdav | 21:16 |
| PhyloGenesis | I can't just remove Apache2, SVN, and dav_svn? | 21:16 |
| hikenboot | per someones suggestion i checked for ext4 support in my custom kernel it was not supported am I best supporting it by using it as a kernel module or building it into the kernel for use as xen dom0? | 21:16 |
| giovani3 | PhyloGenesis: of course you can -- you can undo anything you've done | 21:16 |
| PhyloGenesis | It was more the setting up I was looking for help with | 21:16 |
| giovani3 | but I don't know that that's the extent of what you did ... | 21:16 |
| ivoks | i'm just tired | 21:16 |
| ivoks | good night | 21:16 |
| PhyloGenesis | giovani3: Okay, please allow me to start again here. (I removed apache2 and subversion.) Can you point me to a good tutorial to installing Apache2 and subversion for Ubuntu Server 9.04? | 21:22 |
| giovani3 | no, I can't | 21:22 |
| _ruben | giovani3: aliases sure aint ideal either .. a nice solution would be to support multiple "address" lines per interface | 21:39 |
| giovani3 | _ruben: "lines"? I don't follow what the issue is | 21:39 |
| giovani3 | you are adding multiple addresses now | 21:39 |
| _ruben | giovani3: its mainly a cosmetic issue i guess .. being able to use the 'address' directive more than once per interface looks "cleaner" and adding additional ips using up ip ad add... | 21:41 |
| giovani3 | I'd prefer developers spend less time on cosmetics when it comes to servers | 21:42 |
| giovani3 | and more time on security, stability, and features | 21:42 |
| _ruben | true | 21:42 |
| giovani3 | I'm not sure how this can even be called an issue -- it's straightforward operationally to me | 21:43 |
| Fobia | Hello. I'm running Ubuntu under VMware and I have a problem. I'm using a router and my local IP from Windows XP is 192.168.2.100 and I want this one to be on Ubuntu too. How can I do that, please? | 21:50 |
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