[01:30] <intok> anyone know when or if Qimo will be updating?
[03:07] <mikubuntu> hey guys i added ubuntu studio to my jaunty, but i don't think it added all the programs, i don't see anything for video editing
[04:46] <acme64> anyone know how to make the eeexubuntu bootable to a usb stick? i can't get it to work at all
[14:08] <nicklas_> yo
[14:08] <vinnl> Hey
[14:08] <nicklas_> wazzup
[15:17] <DexterF> hi
[15:18] <DexterF> just tried installign xub on a PIII600 from 1999. kernel comes up, then throws a lot of lines: EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode, then kjournald starting, commit interval 5 seconds
[15:19] <DexterF> this over and over again until about uptime 100 seconds, then drops to a busybox
[15:19] <SiDi> :|
[15:34] <DexterF> mh, nevermind - a classic: two optical drives fighting over the controller. threw one out, all fine now
[15:35] <DexterF> man, when I think back what problems we had to deal with only 10 years ago... today its just slamming together all the parts you got and it usually works...
[16:23] <user_> hi, how can i set my monitor model in xfce4?
[16:24] <user_> i can only choose 640x480 resolution :(
[16:32] <user_> hello somebody not afk? noone else probems with xubuntu 9.04 and resolution?
[16:32] <vinnl> !resolution
[16:32] <vinnl> Perhaps that helps
[18:51] <mdshaw89>  I recently switched a laptop from Kubuntu 8.04 to Xubuntu 8.04 but now my wireless does not pop-up any authentication.  Is there a package requirement that the xubuntu-desktop might have missed, i.e. do I need a gnome-su package installed?
[19:01] <SiDi> mdshaw89: do you mean the nm-applet doesnt show up ?
[19:04] <mdshaw89> SiDI: no -its there - its just when I used to login under kubuntu it would pop-up a kwallet window after login in there start up the wireless card - it no longer does this after the xubuntu-desktop install.  I was hoping to avoid a complete re-install.
[19:05] <mdshaw89> basically want to automagically start wireless network upon login
[19:06] <mdshaw89> it worked under kubuntu - now it doesn't
[19:06] <th0r> mdshaw89: network manager will automatically start up the wifi at login if you have it set up
[19:06] <SiDi> it should do it
[19:06] <mdshaw89> hmmmmm
[19:06] <SiDi> mdshaw89: just connect once, and normally it'll be saved in seahorse
[19:06] <SiDi> go to seahorse preferences and check that its there
[19:06] <mdshaw89> you lost me - seahorse?
[19:07] <SiDi> seahorse is the kwallet for gnome, if im not wrong
[19:07] <mdshaw89> aaahhh - okay - let me check to make sure its installed - if not I need to connect a wire
[19:12] <mdshaw89> it didn't get installed
[19:13] <mdshaw89> I'll install and see if that works
[19:13] <mdshaw89> any idea if the xubuntu developers are looking for core replacements are will continue to use gnome apps?
[19:15] <tuna-fish> how do I force a complete reconfiguration of sound devices?
[19:15] <tuna-fish> when I try to start alsamixer it says: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[19:37] <Ahmuck> i've got some questions about "root", *buntu, mounts, and security if someone is game to answer
[19:43] <Roybot> shoot
[19:46] <nicklas_> örjan
[19:48] <nicklas_> are there a bot here?
[19:49] <SiDi> Ahmuck: feel free to ask
[19:51] <nicklas_> ask what?
[19:53] <SiDi> his questions
[19:54] <nicklas_> what was the questions?
[19:56] <Ahmuck> sudo passwd root - changes the root passwd
[19:56] <Ahmuck> in the past doing a rm -rf would literally rm -rf whatever
[19:56] <Ahmuck> including /
[19:57] <Ahmuck> so, rm -rf /home would remove /home, and rm -rf /var would remove /var, etc
[19:57] <Ahmuck> as root
[19:58] <Ahmuck> however, recently, in attempting this type of proceedure, i get an error, cannot, as it's mounted.  when as root trying to umount /home or /var or /etc, the error comes back "in use"
[19:58] <Ahmuck> in the old days i don't recall this being a problem
[19:58] <Ahmuck> has something changed in how *ubuntu is handling root
[19:59] <Ahmuck> in addition, for whatever reason, kubuntu (which i was using) crashed (using 4.2.x). as a result, i chose to drop back to 8.04.1, and "installed" it however, upon boot, it booted kde 4.2
[20:00] <Ahmuck> because i'm "manually" partitioning and setting those partitions, it appears as though the installer is not really removing anything, but merely doing a file check and then re-booting
[20:00] <Ahmuck> it's wierd
[20:01] <Ahmuck> so, i've chosen to boot in another manner and am "formating" or erasing those partitions to drop back to a stable version of OS i'm comfortable with
[20:02] <Ahmuck> so ... any ideas on what's going on? is the installer not replacing files?  merely checking them to see if their there? have we lost the ability to do with root what we did 3-4 years ago? while i'm aging, my memory isn't that bad yet.
[20:06] <Ahmuck> nm, i've moved over to the installer channel.  i see there is one, i'll ask more specific installer questions there
[20:06] <SiDi> Ahmuck: i dont understand your problem at all
[20:07] <Ahmuck> SiDi: was on 9.04, decided to drop back to 8.04.1 and the installer is not replacing what is /home, /etc, /var.  instead it appears to merely look at it and check the files.  so installing 8.04.1, and upon reboot, having 9.04 is really surprising and confusing
[20:09] <SiDi> they're on separate mounted partitions ?
[20:09] <SiDi> you shall check the "format partition" when reinstalling
[20:09] <Ahmuck> in other words, in the installer, the "format" option does not appear to be formating at all
[20:09] <Ahmuck> SiDi: yep
[20:09] <Ahmuck> that's what's confusing me
[20:09] <Ahmuck> i did find the "erase" option, and i do believe that may work.
[20:10] <Ahmuck> what bothered me most is that it appears root does not have supreme power anymore.  at one point in the linux history it was entirely possible to rm -rf / and literally loose the system based on a bad operator error
[20:11] <SiDi> actually this exact command is forbidden now
[20:11] <SiDi> for security purposes
[20:11] <SiDi> because of people telling newcomers to use it
[20:12] <sd> What do you mean forbidden? Rm won't do it?
[20:13] <SiDi> sd: my understanding is that it wont do it, yeh
[20:13] <SiDi> ive read once or twice about this, but i dont have any documentation under hand though
[20:13] <sd> I might try it in a chroot just to see what happens
[20:14] <Ahmuck> is it then possible that linux in general is being removed from the control of individual users, programmers, etc. and being placed in the hands of corporate entities?
[20:15] <Ahmuck> via distros
[20:16] <Ahmuck> possible that there is so much code that there is no longer an effective way to "audit" linux code so that it's remains truly open?
[20:16] <SiDi> Ahmuck: as long as you can get the source its open
[20:16] <SiDi> then you can dislike the way an open thing works
[20:17] <SiDi> and if you follow the revisions on the kernel.org's cvs if you parano
[20:19] <Ahmuck> it goes beyond that.  it's a loss of control.  there are nations where control is important, iran, china, etc.
[20:19] <sd> You can't use linux in iran. It's US origin
[20:19] <Ahmuck> format should "format" and when installing 8.04.1 should not boot to 9.04, which was just wierd
[20:19] <Ahmuck> sd, really ?
[20:19] <sd> Yes
[20:19] <Ahmuck> wow ...
[20:20] <Ahmuck> pardus perhaps?
[20:20] <sd> But then you can't use windows either but people do anyway
[20:20] <SiDi> there are ubuntu users in iran..
[20:20] <sd> They are breaking US export laws. The US doesn't like that
[20:21] <Ahmuck> i've been looking at other countries distros.  fedora being US based, Ubuntu being UK based, both countries which continually show disregard for privacy and constitutional rights
[20:22] <sd> It's not a matter of the distro. The kernel itself contains crypto and is greater than 10% US origin
[20:22] <sd> OpenBSD is just about the only OS that can be used in Iran because they don't take crypto from America
[20:23] <Ahmuck> wow
[20:23] <sd> I worked for a company that set up workstations in Iran. It was not an easy task without breaking laws
[20:24] <Ahmuck> i've been looking at moving away from kubuntu because of kde4.x.  it's a resource hog on my machine.  however, after this morning, installing kubuntu 8.04.1 (kde 3.x) and then having it boot kubuntu 9.04 (kde 4.x.x) (and yes i checked double after the boot) came as a bit of a shock
[20:25] <sd> Ahmuck - I had the same which is why I'm on xubuntu right now
[20:25] <sd> I hate KDE4
[20:26] <Ahmuck> well, i can't say i agree iran's issues on civil rights, voting rights, etc,. but at least i agree on their right to select an OS that protects their countries right
[20:27] <Ahmuck> i'm not sure what i'm going to do about the next kubuntu.  i might have to move to xubuntu or ubuntu and then mix kde apps in it, ie, k3b, amarok, etc.
[20:28] <Ahmuck> next concern, i realize this is xubuntu and not kubuntu (but more chatting activity goes on here), anybody know if anyone is picking up kde3.x as a fork?
[20:30] <sd> you are right about 'rm -rf /'. It's really blocked
[20:31] <SiDi> i think its a *buntu patch
[20:31] <SiDi> but its a good thing imo
[20:31] <sd> Am I the only one that thinks people who copy and paste blindly should feel pain?
[20:32] <Ahmuck> imho, a better options would have been to allow rm -rf / (the user will learn) and force the root user to explicity rm -rf /home.  rm -rf / would leave /home intact
[20:32] <SiDi> if you wanna rm / then reformat the partition
[20:32] <Ahmuck> SiDi: it's never a good thing to remove the power of the OS from the user.  this is what microsoft does
[20:32] <Ahmuck> and look how frustrating that is
[20:33] <SiDi> Ahmuck: you're a troll.
[20:33] <Ahmuck> yesterday i had to "help" someone on vista, and that thing is totally messed up.  getting to a root file system and finding a file was a mess, more importantly, things are getting DRMed in Vista to the point that it's a mess
[20:33] <SiDi> the only purpose of this command is to _break_ the system.
[20:33] <sd> Ahmuck is right. Users should know what they are doing
[20:33] <Ahmuck> SiDi: hardly.
[20:33] <sd> Root users should know what they are doing at least
[20:33] <Ahmuck> SiDi: it was my intention to "rm -rf /" this morning
[20:34] <Ahmuck> and i was really suprised
[20:34] <SiDi> if the user knows, he wont do it, if he doesnt know, he should read the man before
[20:34] <SiDi> Ahmuck: again, reformat your partition instead..
[20:34] <Ahmuck> i've logged in and used root working well.  i'm an old unix user.  being aware is of what your doing is important
[20:35] <Ahmuck> SiDi: have you tried the manual partition editor.  that was the problem.  the format option left everything intact.  it was that problem that started me looking for options
[20:35] <Ahmuck> i did notice the "erase" option and am exploring that now.  i'm literally comparing partitions and sums to determine if everything could be considered clean
[20:36] <sd> Erase does not just reformat. It blanks the whole partition and takes ages
[20:36] <sd> Or at least it runs the disk like thats what it's doing. I've not read the code
[20:36] <Ahmuck> i recenlty watched a show where "recycled" equipment is being sent overseas.  and they are pulling military documents from them.  one assumes that the military believes it is erasing it's hard drives, but if the software is not doing what it says it is, where does the trust lie?
[20:37] <Ahmuck> sd, yes, that is the next step, to verify that "erase" really does what it says it's doing
[20:38] <Ahmuck> i simply don't understand in the ubuntu world when somebody raises security concerns, etc that people call them trolls.
[20:38] <Ahmuck> it's like they are trying to shut up a descenting and concerned voice, similar to some countries
[20:39] <sd> The 'security concerns' were raised by well meaning people who don't really get UNIX
[20:40] <Ahmuck> sd, me?
[20:41] <sd> No. I mean the blocking of bits of the rm command is the wrong thing to do. But it seems like the right thing to do to some
[20:41] <Xuzz> I need some help here with my Xubuntu setup.
[20:42] <sd> They mean well and really want to make things better, but blocking root from doing what root should be able to do it wrong
[20:42] <Ahmuck> hi Xuzz, sup ?
[20:42] <Xuzz> I'm new to linux, just installed Xubuntu two days ago, but I'm fairly tech savvy.
[20:42] <Xuzz> (aka: I can code/use terminal)
[20:43] <Xuzz> I'm used to having a dual-monitor setup, with my laptop (HP dv6000, Intel GMA950 gfx) and an exernal VGA monitor....but I can't get this working on linux.
[20:43] <Ahmuck> fwiw SiDi, I use Ubuntu LTSP, Ubuntu Server, Xubuntu, CrunchBang, etc in many different places.  However when a distro starts dictating what "root" can do, it's dangerous
[20:46] <sd> Anyone know an easy way to read a disk with a BSD disklabel on it under xubuntu?
[20:46] <sd> The default setup comes with a UFS kernel module so I guess I can read the filesystem if I could get at it
[20:48] <SiDi> Ahmuck: according to my arch friend its not a kernel built-in feature (rm rf)
[20:49] <SiDi> anyway i needa go
[20:49] <SiDi> see you people
[20:49] <Ahmuck> ubuntu only ?
[20:50] <Ahmuck> SiDi: rm -rf restriction is a ubuntu thing only?
[20:51] <sd> This restriction is a implemented with --preserve-root in the rm binary. It's the default
[20:51] <sd> At least thats what the man page indicates
[20:54] <sd> Grr.. I've tryed xubuntu, gentoo, debian, and an EEEpc to read my bsd disklabel. I guess I better try a custom kernel
[20:55] <Ahmuck> well @#$$%# ... my disc is labeled wrong.  looks like it should be labled 8.10.  now i have egg on my face
[21:02] <sd> I'm stupid - I just compiled a 32 bit kernel for my 64 bit machine
[21:08] <sd> Where is the screen lock applet for xfce? I ca't seem to find it
[21:09] <sd> Got it - same as the logout applet
[21:36] <Ahmuck> ubuntu 9.04 allows one to use ext4.  however i have data on older ext3 partitions i need to keep.  am i able to "upgrade" those ext3 partitions to ext4?
[21:38] <maduser> Ahmuck http://maketecheasier.com/how-to-upgrade-from-ext3-to-ext4-without-formatting-the-hard-disk/2009/04/21
[21:39] <maduser> and make sure you do this exactly or you could mess up your hd