[05:50] <brian__> hey i have kde 3.5 how do i go about upgrading to kde4
[11:30] <Riddell> happy sunday all
[11:31] <Quintasan> \o
[11:32] <freinhard> oO, not so loud plz!
[11:34]  * smarter wakes up
[11:34]  * freinhard whishes he didn't
[11:36] <freinhard> who thaught that booze is fun? well it is, until you wake up...
[11:38] <Mamarok> hi Riddell :)
[11:41] <Riddell> I'm back in town (for the next two days until I leave for Gran Canaria)
[11:41] <Riddell> oh I should turn off this away message
[11:43] <KelloggsFrosties> hi there. i have problems using KRun::run(). Linker says i have an undefined reference. in makefile i am linking ${KDE4_PLASMA_LIBS} ${KDE4_KDEUI_LIBS} ${LIB_KIO}. am i missing a library?
[11:45] <freinhard> has ktimetracker been dropped from kontact?
[11:45] <Riddell> it should be   ${KDE4_KIO_LIBS}
[11:45] <Riddell> can't say more without seeing the error
[11:45] <seaLne> Riddell: any luck with firewire cards?
[11:45] <Riddell> seaLne: didn't have time yesterday I'm afraid, but let me see if they're open today
[11:46] <Riddell> seaLne: yes they are, I'll go now
[11:46] <seaLne> thanks, so i'm still needing 2
[11:47] <seaLne> i emptied the shops in glasgow yesterday and only got 6
[11:47] <Riddell> there's silicon computers over the road if they don't
[11:47] <Riddell> and my flatmate says he has one I could probably borrow
[11:48]  * Riddell back in 20 mins
[11:48] <KelloggsFrosties> Riddell: Oh man. Stupid me. Thats it. Thanks!
[11:50]  * Quintasan <3 his new pbuilder
[12:00] <neversfelde> Riddell: something went wrong with the choqok backport, it never appeared in the archives
[12:00] <neversfelde> bug #387041
[12:12] <Riddell> seaLne: mission accomplished
[12:12] <Riddell> 20 quid each
[12:13] <Riddell> neversfelde: flushed
[12:13] <Riddell> it'll still need New approval
[12:15] <neversfelde> Riddell: thanks
[12:17] <lex79> Riddell: come back from vacation ? :P
[12:18] <Riddell> back from non-computer land anyway
[12:18] <seaLne> Riddell: thanks
[12:18] <Riddell> lex79: shall I upload 4.5.2
[12:18] <Riddell> seaLne: is it best if I claim from akademy in gran canaria or from KDE GB?
[12:18] <lex79> yes and koffice maybe
[12:19] <Riddell> erk, that should have been uploaded yonks ago
[12:19]  * Quintasan is going out
[12:19] <lex79> I know :(
[12:20] <seaLne> Riddell: depends if you are claiming anything else from akademy, if not probably easiest to just give me the reciept and i'll give you the money and add it to the other ~6k i've spent
[12:26] <freinhard> packages.ubuntu.com down?
[12:40] <Riddell> freinhard: broken here
[12:41] <freinhard> lookslike ktimetracker_plugin.desktop got lost. http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.3/kdepim/kontact/plugins/ktimetracker/
[12:43] <freinhard> hmm maybe BUILD_ktimetracker wasn't set for kontact
[12:54] <Riddell> lex79: where is koffice2?
[12:54] <lex79> https://edge.launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/ppa
[14:05] <Riddell> lex79: phew, qt and koffice 2 uploaded, thanks for those
[14:05] <Riddell> anything else?  eigen somewhere?
[14:06] <Riddell> there it is in the PPA
[14:07] <lex79> eigen2 and akonadi in ppa
[14:07] <lex79> Riddell: ^
[14:09] <lex79> Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/digikam/2:1.0.0~beta1-1ubuntu1
[14:09] <lex79> dependency wait....
[14:09] <Riddell> lex79: looks like I can just sync eigen from debian now
[14:09] <lex79> I fixed digikam in my ppa
[14:10] <lex79> ok for eigen
[14:22] <Riddell> lex79: should we be doing a MIR for liblqr?
[14:23] <lex79> yes
[14:25] <Riddell> lex79: digikam uploaded, you're definately on a roll
[14:25] <lex79> yeah :D
[14:36] <lex79> koffice2 uploaded to backports
[14:39] <Riddell> yay
[16:38] <hsitter>  While trying to retrieve the URL: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/
[16:38] <hsitter>  The following error was encountered:
[16:38] <hsitter>  Unable to forward this request at this time.
[16:38] <hsitter> poor squid
[16:38] <hsitter> nixternal: I suppose that is a good reason against having the todo in the wiki :P
[16:50] <Mamarok> hsitter: Launchpad is not reachable neither, and some other sites are down too
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> launchpad works here, but it's crawling
[16:58] <nixternal> hsitter: it is the weekend, you aren't supposed to be working
[16:58] <nixternal> though I am getting ready to head to an Ubuntu Chicago event
[16:58] <hsitter> hm
[16:58]  * hsitter better does something else then
[17:01] <ScottK> Riddell: While you were out I got all the seeds/metapackage/CD building stuff for kubuntu-netbook done.  I'm just waiting for the CD team to upload my debian-cd changes and then we can start to build images.
[17:02] <ScottK> There's probably some work to be done to rationalize the seed changes and make them more maintainable (perhaps a kubuntu-common seed that both desktop and netbook would use.
[17:08] <nixternal> ScottK: what are the big differences between the seeds right now?
[18:04] <Riddell> ScottK: excellent
[18:40] <hsitter> gnome zeitgeist is coming to the blue K
[18:46] <seaLne> hsitter: won't nepomuk type stuff in kde achieve the same?
[18:47] <hsitter> kind off
[18:47] <hsitter> as I understand it, zeitgeist currently is a data aggregator
[18:47] <hsitter> while nepomuk is more of a receiver
[18:48] <hsitter> such as zeitgeist would be trying to rape amarok of it's data, while nepomuk depends on amarok to give them to it
[18:48] <hsitter> oh
[18:48] <DaskreeCH> hsitter: Via whom?
[18:48] <hsitter> gotta jet :)
[18:48] <hsitter> DaskreeCH: itself
[18:49] <DaskreeCH> Gnome is making a KDE version of Zeitgeist ?
[18:51] <DaskreeCH> Zeitgeist looks interesting but needed some focus last time I looked at tit
[18:51] <DaskreeCH> Everytime I had a question about it no one really knew what the outlook on that was supposed to be
[20:34] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: can't reproduce show system accounts problem here (userconfig)
[20:45] <hsitter> yuriy: why is the details section using lineedits?
[20:45] <hsitter> gave me the wrong impression there is something to be edited there ...
[20:46] <hsitter> yuriy: also it needs a search field :)
[20:47] <hsitter> yuriy: X-DocPath=kcontrol/colors/index.html
[20:47] <hsitter> ?
[20:47] <hsitter> from the desktop file that is
[20:47]  * hsitter recommends to at least fix that and add a documentation that states that there is no documentation yet... ;-)
[20:50] <yuriy> hsitter: that was probably copied out of somewhere. what should it say though?
[20:50] <hsitter> userconfig/index.html
[20:50] <yuriy> hsitter: the details section is using lineedits cause that's what it did in the kde3 version ;) that's why I made a wiki page for UI suggestions
[20:51] <yuriy> hsitter: and where does that file come from?
[20:51] <hsitter> then you add nice and fancy documentation that says: we are terribly sorry but at this time there is no documentation available
[20:51]  * yuriy knows nothing about docs
[20:51] <hsitter> if you want to help create one....
[20:51] <yuriy> if you want to help create one, what?
[20:51] <hsitter> about the documenation
[20:52] <hsitter> /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/ is where the docs go
[20:52] <yuriy> as in, what should a person do if they want to help with docs?
[20:53] <hsitter> yuriy: well, make something up
[20:53] <hsitter> "poke nixternal" or something like that ;-)
[20:53] <hsitter> that reminds me
[20:53] <hsitter> nixternal: why are you not doing bug triage anymore?
[21:00] <jussi01> hsitter: could you drop kubotu out of #kubuntu-offtopic?
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: so when you first open up userconfig in system settings, it only shows the user accounts?
[21:01] <yuriy> shtylman: does ubiquity do user name validation? I can't find the code for it
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/T2mCE3a.html <- what my userconfig looks like when it's first opened
[21:06] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: oh hmm indeed, when in system settings
[21:09] <hsitter> kubotu: part #kubuntu-offtopic
[21:09] <kubotu> hsitter, you don't have 'basics::move::part' permissions here
[21:09] <hsitter> -.-
[21:10] <hsitter> kubotu: part #kubuntu-offtopic
[21:11] <hsitter> oh
[21:11] <hsitter> eh
[21:11] <hsitter> JontheEchidna, yuriy: did the root patch get lost?
[21:12] <hsitter> works just fine on jaunty
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> hsitter: yeah, got broked
[21:13] <hsitter> repair it then
[21:13] <hsitter> you know how it is, we will forget
[21:13] <hsitter> just like we forgot about indi
[21:13]  * JontheEchidna wasn't the one who unapplied it :P
[21:14]  * JontheEchidna wonders if there is a bzr blame
[21:14] <hsitter> oh
[21:14] <hsitter> \o/
[21:14] <hsitter> karmic doesn't fit on 800x600
[21:14] <hsitter> way to go dudes
[21:16] <jussi01> yippee.... :P
[21:16] <nixternal> hsitter: huh?
[21:16] <hsitter> desktop all messed up
[21:16] <nixternal> I fix bugs
[21:16] <nixternal> let the others sort the bugs out
[21:17] <hsitter> nixternal: there are no others!
[21:17] <hsitter> JontheEchidna and a bit of me
[21:17] <hsitter> that is the others
[21:21] <nixternal> hsitter: what do I need to triage?
[21:22] <nixternal> I figured since I am such a huge rockstar in this community, that I was above bug triage now, I thought it was for my minions
[21:22] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: fix committed
[21:23] <dtchen> nixternal: haha
[21:23] <dtchen> triaging is the most tedious, underrated, underappreciated task
[21:30] <hsitter> nixternal: like you got minions? :P
[21:30] <hsitter> nixternal: kdepim needs help
[21:30] <nixternal> I have plenty of minions!
[21:31] <hsitter> also fixwise, so you could triage and then fix and stuff :P
[21:31] <hsitter> nixternal: just none for kubuntu, hu? :P
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: yay
[21:41] <nixternal> hsitter: just let me know which ones you want me to triage and I will work on them...everytime I pick something to work on, someone steps on my toes, or I step on their toes
[21:41] <nixternal> tired of doing that
[21:43] <dtchen> we used to use a wiki for that ;-)
[21:43] <dtchen> i guess that would be the dark ages of motu now
[21:44] <hsitter> hehe
[21:45] <hsitter> nixternal: just walk through the NEW bugs
[21:57] <neversfelde> which applications should get a bzr branch like choqok
[21:57] <neversfelde> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/choqok/ubuntu
[21:57] <neversfelde> ?
[21:57] <yuriy> how do i get cmake to install documentation?
[22:25] <freinhard> where do build options for kdepim get set? can't find anything in debian/
[22:37] <Riddell> freinhard: mostly in the cdbs makefiles included from debian/rules
[22:41] <freinhard> Riddell: still a bit confused about cmake. i guess BUILD_* get's set during the build process?
[22:45] <Riddell> freinhard: /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/variables.mk sets -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debian and -DKDE4_BUILD_TESTS=false and others
[22:45] <Riddell> cdbs is very abstracted so it's easy to get lost with what actually sets what
[22:45] <Riddell> once file includes another which sets a variable which gets used in another included file
[22:46] <Riddell> and it's Makefile which a weird syntax mixed with the weird syntax of bash so it's not always easy to read
[22:47] <freinhard> Riddell: the reason why i ask: kontact/plugins/ktimetracker/ktimetracker_plugin.desktop does not get installed
[22:47] <freinhard> added it to the debian/*.install file but the build failed cause the file was missing
[22:48] <freinhard> so i guess BUILD_ktimetracker is not being set.
[22:51] <Riddell> that should get set by cmake I'm pretty sure
[22:52] <Riddell> as part of macro_optional_add_subdirectory(ktimetracker) in the top CMakeLists.txt file
[22:56] <freinhard> are .install files autogenerated?
[22:57] <Riddell> no
[22:57] <Riddell> hand made
[22:58] <freinhard> k, then that file got lost between jaunty and karmic
[22:58] <Riddell> but nothing about ktimetracker_plugin mentioned in http://launchpadlibrarian.net/27650013/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.kdepim_4%3A4.2.90-0ubuntu1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[22:59] <freinhard> k, so the subdir isn't built
[22:59] <freinhard> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=ktimetracker_plugin.desktop&mode=exactfilename&suite=jaunty&arch=any
[23:01] <Riddell> not from my reading of the build log
[23:01] <Riddell> which is strange, I can't see why it shouldn't be
[23:04] <neversfelde> I would be happy to get bilbo blogger over the line this time, so if some of you have the time it would be great, if you could review it, especially the lintian-override
[23:05] <neversfelde> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/bilbo
[23:35] <seele_> hmm.. someone pinged me but it's out of my buffer
[23:56] <Riddell> seele: we have logs