| heleen | what alpha build is out atm? | 00:59 |
|---|---|---|
| heleen | a-1? | 00:59 |
| BUGabundo | a2 | 00:59 |
| BUGabundo | going on a3 | 00:59 |
| BUGabundo | plus you have dailies heleen | 01:00 |
| BUGabundo | !daily | heleen | 01:00 |
| ubottu | heleen: Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 01:00 |
| heleen | k0ol | 01:00 |
| heleen | ty | 01:00 |
| BUGabundo | np | 01:00 |
| nellery | are you supposed to be able to suspend/hibernate yet on Karmic? | 02:05 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| Sarvatt | hmmm | 03:14 |
| Sarvatt | /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor: undefined symbol: gdu_error_check_polkit_not_authorized | 03:14 |
| Sarvatt | gvfsd-computer is removing all possible mounts when i try to mount my sd card | 03:15 |
| m_tadeu | hi all | 04:18 |
| m_tadeu | how can I check if my intel video card is using exa or uxa? | 04:18 |
| Sarvatt | if you're on karmic there's only UXA | 04:19 |
| m_tadeu | on http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha2 says it's not enabled by default | 04:21 |
| Sarvatt | that was left over from alpha 1 when we still had 2.7.1 | 04:35 |
| dvz- | is alsamixer supposed to work in 9.10? | 04:46 |
| m_tadeu | dvz-: it is | 04:48 |
| m_tadeu | at least is working here | 04:48 |
| dvz- | hrm. alsamixer worked fine before the upgrade, and after the upgrade it gives me alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default | 04:48 |
| dvz- | should i have /dev/dsp2 symlink to /dev/dsp ? | 05:31 |
| === Richie is now known as WelshDragon | ||
| === WelshDragon is now known as YDdraigGoch | ||
| coz_ | guys has there been a update that changed the cards data themes ? | 08:07 |
| coz_ | I have some real ugly card themes in patience on kde all of a suddenn:) | 08:08 |
| nhasian | hello everyone | 08:35 |
| nhasian | i'm wondering, can i have firefox 3.0 and 3.5 installed at the same time? or must i remove 3.0 first? | 08:42 |
| AnAnt | Hello, is there going to be a parental control software in karmic ? | 08:52 |
| nhasian | AnAnt, i dont know if its builtin, but i know you can easily add it via synaptic package manager. | 08:53 |
| AnAnt | nhasian: you know the package name ? | 08:53 |
| nhasian | they use it in ubuntu sabily (formerly muslim edition) let me look it up for you | 08:54 |
| AnAnt | nhasian: oh, I know that one | 08:55 |
| AnAnt | I'm from sabily team actually | 08:55 |
| nhasian | hey small world :) | 08:55 |
| nhasian | me too | 08:55 |
| AnAnt | ? | 08:56 |
| nhasian | its called webstrict isnt it? | 08:56 |
| nhasian | well i'm part of the sabily launchpad team | 08:56 |
| nhasian | i dont do any of the coding, but i've been testing it out since 8.10 i think | 08:57 |
| nhasian | i follow the newsletter, but i'm usually just lurking. dont post much | 08:57 |
| AnAnt | غثس | 08:58 |
| AnAnt | yes | 08:58 |
| AnAnt | nhasian: ah, ok | 08:58 |
| nhasian | i was rather irked that we had to change the name from ubuntu muslim edition to sabily. i wonder if Ubuntu Satin Edition had to change their name too... | 08:59 |
| AnAnt | anyways, there was supposed to be a discussion in UDS about parental control software (gchildcare or webcontentcontrol), but I heard nothing about it since UDS | 08:59 |
| AnAnt | is Rick Spencer here ? | 09:04 |
| BUGabundo | hallo | 11:04 |
| BUGabundo | Sarvatt: ping. hi. do you have the bug id for that GTK sort crash?? it happens a lot with all versions of Firefox. FF team needs to change Affects to GTK | 11:17 |
| yofel | hm, what installation medium do I need to get if I want lpia? | 12:54 |
| BUGabundo | yofel: do you *really* want lpia? | 13:12 |
| BUGabundo | yofel: I would go with minimal installer for lpia, and build from there | 13:13 |
| BUGabundo | humm can't find lpia minimal iso | 13:14 |
| BUGabundo | lol | 13:14 |
| BUGabundo | yofel: MID has lpia http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mid/daily-live/current/ | 13:15 |
| BUGabundo | is there somewhere where PA stores the volume per app? I need to raise Pidgin | 13:17 |
| BUGabundo | anyone ever heard of http://www.ksplice.com/ ? upgrading without reboots | 13:26 |
| SwedeMike | yes, there was a slashdot article | 13:32 |
| SwedeMike | I know people who have been doing those kind of fixes with modules, don't know if this does the same | 13:32 |
| SwedeMike | but I wish they would be doing it for debian instead, it's more needed there (longer product cycle, more people using it for servers) | 13:33 |
| BUGabundo | yeah | 13:34 |
| BUGabundo | so they repackage the packages? | 13:34 |
| SwedeMike | I don't know. | 13:35 |
| SwedeMike | sigh... the se ubuntu archive isn't reachable over v6, pingable, but not port 80 reachable | 13:37 |
| BluesKaj | good day folks | 13:37 |
| BUGabundo | hey BluesKaj | 13:37 |
| BluesKaj | hi BUGabundo | 13:38 |
| coz_ | guys I see an nvidia update the last few days..any issues with this? | 14:15 |
| coz_ | oh man removeing al DKMS modules? | 14:17 |
| coz_ | i hope this doesn screw things up again time to reboot :) | 14:17 |
| BUGabundo | its working for me | 14:19 |
| tgpraveen | is gnome-shell in the karmic repos? | 14:33 |
| tgpraveen | !gnome-shell | 14:33 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about gnome-shell | 14:33 |
| yofel | ! info gnome-shell | 14:38 |
| yofel | !info gnome-shell | 14:38 |
| ubottu | Package gnome-shell does not exist in karmic | 14:38 |
| tgpraveen | !info zeitgest | 14:38 |
| ubottu | Package zeitgest does not exist in karmic | 14:38 |
| BluesKaj | !bash | 14:40 |
| ubottu | The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal | 14:40 |
| BUGabundo | !search gnome-shell | 14:40 |
| ubottu | Found: | 14:40 |
| BUGabundo | tgpraveen: doesn't seem to be | 14:40 |
| BluesKaj | Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) | 14:40 |
| BUGabundo | LOL | 14:41 |
| tgpraveen | BUGabundo: what does !search do? | 14:41 |
| BUGabundo | tgpraveen: errr searchs ? | 14:41 |
| tgpraveen | in what? | 14:41 |
| tgpraveen | !search empathy | 14:41 |
| ubottu | Found: | 14:41 |
| tgpraveen | ^^ did it not find it? | 14:42 |
| BUGabundo | LOLOL | 14:48 |
| BUGabundo | guess its buggy | 14:48 |
| poseidon | Why is it that when I do sudo apt-get upgrade I get "The following packages have been kept back:" and a list of some packages? | 14:54 |
| === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo | ||
| yofel | poseidon: dependency problems i guess? what does aptitude tell you? | 15:02 |
| poseidon | yofel, thanks. Forgot to use aptitude | 15:07 |
| BluesKaj | yeah, aptitude seems far better with juanty and karmic than apt-get | 15:18 |
| BluesKaj | err jaunty | 15:18 |
| BUGabundo | +1 | 15:20 |
| tgpraveen | did anyone here try the new html 5 <video> tag site | 15:23 |
| tgpraveen | like tinyvid.tv or dialymotion etc? | 15:23 |
| BUGabundo | Me | 15:24 |
| tgpraveen | i am trying right now with ff 3.5 and my cpu usage goes very high | 15:24 |
| BUGabundo | not here | 15:24 |
| BUGabundo | thepirarevideo.org is ok, so is dailymotion | 15:24 |
| tgpraveen | i was hoping that without flash i would be able to finally see vid on web in a resource efficient manner | 15:24 |
| tgpraveen | i mean with flash cpu going absurdly high is understandable | 15:25 |
| tgpraveen | BUGabundo: does it happen with flash for u? | 15:25 |
| tgpraveen | also what are ur sys specs? | 15:25 |
| BUGabundo | C2D 2.4GHz T8300 | 15:26 |
| tgpraveen | my ff at 50% cpu and 400 mb ram | 15:26 |
| BUGabundo | 64bits | 15:26 |
| tgpraveen | i have a pentium 4 2.4 ghz | 15:26 |
| tgpraveen | :-( | 15:26 |
| BUGabundo | 21577 bugabund 268m 36m 736m 20 0 R 1.0 6.8 10:17.09 /usr/lib/firefox-3.6a1pre/firefox-3.6 | 15:26 |
| tgpraveen | BUGabundo: i found tinyvid.tv and archive.org are also very good sources for these type of vids | 15:28 |
| * BUGabundo checks | 15:28 | |
| BUGabundo | humm it seems to be running a bit slow | 15:30 |
| BUGabundo | but that could be PA acting up | 15:30 |
| BUGabundo | even local vids on xvid have trouble now | 15:30 |
| BUGabundo | tgpraveen: 21577 bugabund 289m 38m 818m 20 0 R 8.4 7.4 11:10.73 /usr/lib/firefox-3.6a1pre/firefox-3.6 | 15:34 |
| BUGabundo | while playing vid | 15:34 |
| BUGabundo | http://tinyvid.tv/show/bxl6jthyi7le | 15:34 |
| macvr | does anyone know if the default media player is going to be banshee? someone is insisting this in the papercuts bugs | 15:40 |
| tgpraveen | macvr: yes it is | 15:40 |
| macvr | damn! | 15:40 |
| tgpraveen | most probably if they fix some show stopper bugs | 15:40 |
| tgpraveen | in time for feature freeze | 15:41 |
| tgpraveen | whichi think is pretty likely | 15:41 |
| macvr | thanx :) | 15:42 |
| tgpraveen | BUGabundo: lol that vid is nice | 15:42 |
| BUGabundo | tgpraveen: just a random one | 15:42 |
| tgpraveen | !info firefox-3.6 | 15:44 |
| ubottu | Package firefox-3.6 does not exist in karmic | 15:44 |
| BUGabundo | LOL | 15:44 |
| BUGabundo | tgpraveen: daily PPA only | 15:44 |
| tgpraveen | BUGabundo: i am on 3.5 right now. is 3.6 much faster than it while not loosing tooo much stability? | 15:45 |
| BUGabundo | its faster | 15:48 |
| BUGabundo | not sure how much more | 15:48 |
| tgpraveen | ok. ppa link pls ;-) ? | 15:49 |
| yofel | tgpraveen: search google for the mozilla daily build ppa - first link | 15:50 |
| BUGabundo | ehehehe | 15:52 |
| BUGabundo | https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa | 15:52 |
| BUGabundo | http://lmgtfy.com/mozilla+daily+ppa | 15:53 |
| BUGabundo | ahahaha | 15:53 |
| BUGabundo | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mozilla+daily+ppa | 15:53 |
| BUGabundo | forgot the q= ehe | 15:53 |
| dvz- | anyone good with alsa/sound? upgraded to karmic and only the startup sound works while no other sound works. and i keep getting alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory | 16:33 |
| BUGabundo | dvz-: wfm sometimes | 16:34 |
| BUGabundo | install pavucontrol | 16:34 |
| BUGabundo | and check if anything is lower then 80% | 16:34 |
| mahfiaz | hey, does anybody know why evolution segfaults? | 16:50 |
| mahfiaz | bt refers to libgail.so | 16:52 |
| BUGabundo | humm | 16:52 |
| BUGabundo | not the 1st time I read about that lib | 16:52 |
| BUGabundo | anything on LP ? | 16:52 |
| BUGabundo | oh wait, its DOWN eheh | 16:52 |
| Bmw1000c | lol | 16:52 |
| dvz- | BUGabundo: everything seems fine @ 100% | 16:57 |
| Le-Chuck_ITA | Is your battery status monitor working today? Mine is broken since last upgrade (in karmic) | 16:58 |
| BUGabundo | hey Le-Chuck_ITA | 16:58 |
| BUGabundo | GPM is broken for a few days | 16:58 |
| Le-Chuck_ITA | very good :) | 16:59 |
| Le-Chuck_ITA | thanks BUGabundo if it's known that's good | 16:59 |
| BUGabundo | not sure *how* known it is | 16:59 |
| BUGabundo | haven't placed it on LP | 16:59 |
| BUGabundo | and that is down now | 16:59 |
| BUGabundo | coming up as we speak | 17:00 |
| tgpraveen | yes LP seems to be down too many times these days | 17:00 |
| tgpraveen | really irritating | 17:00 |
| mahfiaz | libgail is for accessibility - I disabled the assistive technologies and evolution works fine now (I enabled it only for translating) | 17:01 |
| BUGabundo | tgpraveen: not true | 17:01 |
| tgpraveen | anyone know of gnome shell or zeitgest ppa | 17:29 |
| tgpraveen | which has working condition software | 17:29 |
| cyphermox | tgpraveen: i don't know about working condition, but check out http://live.gnome.org/GnomeZeitgeist | 17:40 |
| tgpraveen | forums down for anyone else? | 17:50 |
| tgpraveen | Service Temporarily Unavailable | 17:50 |
| tgpraveen | The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. | 17:50 |
| ikonia | tgpraveen: message seems pretty clear | 17:51 |
| tgpraveen | well i was wondering if it was only in my region | 17:51 |
| ikonia | if it is / is not - does it matter ? | 17:52 |
| tgpraveen | yes. it tells if it is scheduled maintainence or a problem somwhere and that alos | 17:53 |
| tgpraveen | gives an idea of how long it will take for the issue | 17:53 |
| ikonia | either way what can you do ? | 17:53 |
| tgpraveen | to resolve itself | 17:53 |
| ikonia | no it doesn't how long is scheduled maintained ? | 17:53 |
| ikonia | maintenance | 17:53 |
| ikonia | how long is a network problem ? | 17:53 |
| ikonia | it's all unknown | 17:53 |
| Bmw1000c | wtf | 17:54 |
| ikonia | Bmw1000c: don't need to see that sort of language please | 17:54 |
| ikonia | Bmw1000c: we know what it means and it's not required | 17:54 |
| Bmw1000c | lol | 17:55 |
| Bmw1000c | sure | 17:55 |
| ikonia | thanks | 17:55 |
| thomthom | Any news if/when 2.6.30-10 will handle vga=795 option | 17:59 |
| thomthom | news=idea* | 17:59 |
| BUGabundo | thomthom: ticket still open | 17:59 |
| ikonia | thomthom: didn't know it didn't | 17:59 |
| BUGabundo | no comment in a few days | 18:00 |
| ikonia | is that card specific or generic | 18:00 |
| BUGabundo | ikonia: known bug | 18:00 |
| BUGabundo | affects nvidia (and intel?) | 18:00 |
| BUGabundo | something to do with KMS | 18:00 |
| ikonia | that explains nvidia | 18:00 |
| BUGabundo | yep | 18:01 |
| BUGabundo | I'm affected too | 18:01 |
| thomthom | just checking, I prefer to see that than the splash | 18:01 |
| BUGabundo | thomthom: no splash for KK | 18:01 |
| BUGabundo | 10 secs boot or black screen :) | 18:02 |
| thomthom | I see the 9.04 slash theme with 9.10 | 18:02 |
| thomthom | splash* | 18:02 |
| BUGabundo | *saw | 18:02 |
| thomthom | I mean gdm, sorry | 18:03 |
| Bmw1000c | 10 secs boot yeah :) | 18:04 |
| thomthom | from pushing the power button to a usable system takes about 50 sec. | 18:04 |
| thomthom | for me | 18:05 |
| BUGabundo | Bmw1000c: yeah we all know you got a 9 sec boot.... stop claiming it | 18:05 |
| BUGabundo | thomthom: mine takes like 1:40 | 18:06 |
| Bmw1000c | is 10 sec lol | 18:06 |
| Bmw1000c | it's* | 18:06 |
| ikonia | Bmw1000c: that would be very impressive consider mine take about 15 seconds with an SLC SSD drive | 18:07 |
| Bmw1000c | i have hdd | 18:07 |
| ikonia | hdd ? | 18:07 |
| Bmw1000c | i'm talking 10 secs in bootchart | 18:07 |
| Bmw1000c | to fully operable it's about 30 secs | 18:07 |
| BUGabundo | Bmw1000c: ok ok post a bootcahrt | 18:08 |
| BUGabundo | *bootchart | 18:08 |
| Bmw1000c | are you sure | 18:08 |
| BUGabundo | :x | 18:08 |
| BUGabundo | be happy once more | 18:08 |
| Bmw1000c | https://files.getdropbox.com/u/1416038/bmw-desktop-karmic-20090625-4.png | 18:08 |
| Bmw1000c | https://files.getdropbox.com/u/1416038/bmw-desktop-karmic-20090625-5.png | 18:08 |
| BUGabundo | ahh using my little hack eheh | 18:09 |
| Bmw1000c | :P | 18:09 |
| ikonia | shows 45 seconds to me on that boot chart | 18:10 |
| BUGabundo | 100MB/s | 18:10 |
| BUGabundo | ikonia: its patched to count past the GDM | 18:10 |
| ikonia | ah | 18:10 |
| BUGabundo | its a little hack I've made | 18:10 |
| benten | hi | 18:11 |
| BUGabundo | so I can check how long until fully ready to use | 18:11 |
| benten | dbus-daemon has gone mad. how to fix it ? | 18:11 |
| Bmw1000c | first link it the hack-free bootchart | 18:11 |
| BUGabundo | hi bent | 18:11 |
| Bmw1000c | it's* | 18:11 |
| benten | i get lots of these messages: dbus-daemon: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.36" (uid=1000 pid=5513 comm="/usr/lib/indicator-applet/indicator-applet --oaf-a") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" member="Get" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination=":1.54" (uid=0 pid=9331 comm="/USR/SBIN/CRON ")) | 18:12 |
| s1gmab3ta | hey guys, a botched update broke my karmic installation, but mostly only broke GRUB i think. the entries in the grub menu are blank. if I boot into a live karmic session, is there some way (grub-install or something) to fix it? I am not too well-versed in working with GRUB2 | 18:14 |
| Bmw1000c | ikonia do you use koala or jaunty? | 18:16 |
| ikonia | Bmw1000c: for production use or what ? | 18:16 |
| Bmw1000c | home | 18:17 |
| BUGabundo | ikonia: with those SSDs | 18:17 |
| ikonia | Bmw1000c: my home desktop is 9.04 | 18:17 |
| Bmw1000c | yeah i was asking in the ssd machine lol | 18:17 |
| Bmw1000c | i forgot | 18:17 |
| ikonia | yes, that's 9.04 | 18:17 |
| Bmw1000c | oh, ok | 18:17 |
| BUGabundo | uploading my recent bootcharts | 18:19 |
| tgpraveen | i was just reading this list of papercuts solved this week and the also some of the future cuts and from this report itself and also from the comments section of many of the future milestone bugs i can see majority of bugs falling into 2 categories | 18:20 |
| tgpraveen | http://blog.davebsd.com/2009/06/28/first-paper-cut-milestone-reached/ | 18:20 |
| BUGabundo | Bmw1000c: ikonia http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart | 18:20 |
| tgpraveen | either 1. fixed upstream independent of help from ubuntu team/papercut proj | 18:20 |
| tgpraveen | 2. just some changes to naming eg. clean up by name->arrange by name | 18:21 |
| tgpraveen | what do u guys think? | 18:21 |
| tgpraveen | are these observations true or are they actually doing better. | 18:21 |
| tgpraveen | and i do know that papercut means minor bug but still there could | 18:22 |
| tgpraveen | be more types of bugs like of type | 18:22 |
| tgpraveen | Width of notifications seem arbitrarily small | 18:22 |
| tgpraveen | or the bug about having a notification for all drive unmounts | 18:22 |
| s1gmab3ta | does anyone know anything about repairing a GRUB2 setup? | 18:22 |
| tgpraveen | this one is actually pretty nice | 18:23 |
| BluesKaj | !enter | tgpraveen | 18:24 |
| ubottu | tgpraveen: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! | 18:24 |
| BUGabundo | eheheh | 18:25 |
| BUGabundo | BluesKaj: +1 | 18:25 |
| BluesKaj | <-- decides to get picky | 18:25 |
| tgpraveen | :-D k | 18:26 |
| Bmw1000c | hey ubottu how's it going eheh im fine thanks. i love when you speak here in this chan because you are always right about everything. thanks for providing me the best info in freenode | 18:27 |
| yofel | !bot | Bmw1000c | 18:28 |
| ubottu | Bmw1000c: Hi! I'm #ubuntu+1's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots | 18:28 |
| yofel | if you want to know even more about him :P | 18:28 |
| BUGabundo | yofel: or 'her' ! | 18:29 |
| Bmw1000c | yeah i thought it was a girl | 18:29 |
| Bmw1000c | but it is a bot!!?? :| | 18:29 |
| yofel | lol | 18:30 |
| ikonia | "she" is a bot | 18:30 |
| BUGabundo | humm | 18:30 |
| benten | tgpraveen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC3p2do6DGs | 18:31 |
| Bmw1000c | i thought there was a connection between us | 18:31 |
| Bmw1000c | but it's only the internet connection lol :( | 18:31 |
| tgpraveen | benten: what is that^^? | 18:31 |
| ikonia | benten: could you explain how that is anything to do with ubuntu ? | 18:31 |
| benten | 2nd papercut | 18:31 |
| ikonia | benten: ? | 18:32 |
| tgpraveen | ikonia: am on slow connection. could u tell what it is? | 18:32 |
| ikonia | yes, hence why I'm asking what that has to do with ubuntu or 9.10 development discussion ? | 18:32 |
| s1gmab3ta | so a botched update broke my karmic installation, but mostly only broke GRUB i think. the entries in the grub menu are blank. if I boot into a live karmic session, is there some way (grub-install or something) to fix it? I am not too well-versed in working with GRUB2 | 18:49 |
| cyphermox | isn't there an option on a live cd to run rescue steps? | 18:51 |
| s1gmab3ta | that'd be the first i've heard of it, can you tell me more | 18:54 |
| cyphermox | i'm not sure, that's why I put a question mark | 18:55 |
| cyphermox | I know there used to be a rescue option on the livecd, but i'm not sure if it took care of grub.. or if it will work with grub2 | 18:56 |
| cyphermox | i guess there isn't | 19:03 |
| cyphermox | but did you try the "Boot from local hard disk" option? | 19:04 |
| m_tadeu | hi everyone....does kdebluetooth support audio devices? The option is there, but disabled | 19:07 |
| tgpraveen | yay ubuntuforums seems to be back online | 19:11 |
| dupondje | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/359941 | 19:49 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 359941 in ubuntu "DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" [Undecided,New] | 19:49 |
| dupondje | dbus broken ? | 19:49 |
| mahfiaz | dupondje, I get the same error when connecting USB drive | 19:53 |
| BUGabundo | similar error here | 19:53 |
| Sarvatt | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/393051 | 19:53 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 393051 in gvfs "Unable to mount any media in nautilus." [Undecided,New] | 19:53 |
| Sarvatt | same here | 19:53 |
| BUGabundo | Sarvatt: that's mine :) | 19:53 |
| BUGabundo | cli works dough | 19:53 |
| BUGabundo | better dupe those all others on LP | 19:53 |
| pronoy | guys is this channel also for kde users ? | 20:05 |
| BUGabundo | pronoy: running karmic, yes | 20:05 |
| pronoy | ok i've heard that you guys are integrating a new web browser called arora on it ? is it available for earlier versions right now ? | 20:06 |
| henke | anybody having problems running mono apps? f-spot and banshee don't run for me, with a missing dll error for "libMonoPosixHelper.so". packages.ubuntu.com seems down, does anybody know if any package provides that file? | 20:07 |
| BUGabundo | henke: $ dpkg -S libMonoPosixHelper | 20:08 |
| BUGabundo | henke: mono-runtime: /usr/lib/libMonoPosixHelper.so | 20:09 |
| henke | BUGabundo, thanks, somehow that has been uninstalled for me. | 20:09 |
| BUGabundo | np | 20:09 |
| BUGabundo | if so, should be a bug in depencies | 20:10 |
| BUGabundo | better make sure and file acordinly | 20:10 |
| BUGabundo | $ aptitude why mono-runtime | 20:10 |
| BUGabundo | i sysinfo Depends mono-runtime (>= 1.1.8.1) | 20:10 |
| BUGabundo | henke: f-spot depends on it | 20:11 |
| BUGabundo | $ apt-cache depends f-spot | pastebinit | 20:11 |
| BUGabundo | http://paste.ubuntu.com/205736/ | 20:11 |
| BUGabundo | Depends: mono-runtime | 20:11 |
| pronoy | can anyone answer my question ? | 20:13 |
| mahfiaz | btw, does NetworkManager work for somebody? | 20:13 |
| jpds | mahfiaz: If it didn't, they wouldn't be here. | 20:14 |
| mahfiaz | I upgraded yesterday and nm-applet says "Networkmanager does not work" | 20:14 |
| BUGabundo | mahfiaz: works fine here | 20:15 |
| BUGabundo | pronoy: no idea | 20:15 |
| Wicla | Uhm. Doesn't GRUB2 work with multi-boot at all or is it just broken during alpha2 setup? I mean, if you install Ubuntu then Windows. Does it work booting alpha2 CD to reinstall grub2 to mbr successfully? | 20:17 |
| Biba | Hey I have a problem with instaling ubuntu on my pc could someone help me? | 20:18 |
| jpds | Wicla: If you install Ubuntu, then Windows... Windows overwrites GRUB anyway. | 20:18 |
| Biba | I want to delete windows than instal ubuntu | 20:19 |
| mahfiaz | Biba, just install ubuntu and let it use whole disk | 20:19 |
| BUGabundo | Biba: please go to #ubuntu for support! this # is for the devel version karmoc | 20:19 |
| BUGabundo | *karmic | 20:19 |
| mahfiaz | this erases all windows partitions and data | 20:19 |
| Biba | Ok thx | 20:19 |
| Wicla | jpds: yeah i know. But once both systems is installed you're able to rewrite grub2 into mbr? | 20:20 |
| Wicla | I'll just test and see | 20:20 |
| dupondje | seems there are alot of bugreports on the USB issue | 20:39 |
| Sarvatt | so where do battery and ac event scripts go now that they ripped them out of acpi-support? | 20:56 |
| Sarvatt | i've been unloading all the modules i dont need like webcam and NIC when on battery, and adjusting the txpower and power management settings of my wifi via those scripts | 20:58 |
| dtchen | make sure you cover the scaling governor, too. | 21:04 |
| dupondje | error sender=:1.5 -> dest=:1.41 error_name=org.glib.GError.g_2Dio_2Derror_2Dquark.c16 reply_serial=8 | 21:05 |
| dupondje | mmm :p | 21:05 |
| dupondje | BUGabundo: dbus-monitor :) | 21:06 |
| dupondje | and check whats going wrong | 21:06 |
| dtchen | you can also try re-enabling glitch-free pulse: cat /etc/pulse/default.pa |sed s/tsched=0$//g > ~/.pulse/default.pa | 21:07 |
| dtchen | Sarvatt: ^^ (both points) | 21:07 |
| Sarvatt | i only use userspace to force full cpu speed rarely, ondemand is good enough for me but i do also lower the report rate on psmouse on battery because it causes ~500 wakeups/second in use and 200 lowered | 21:07 |
| dtchen | i use conservative | 21:08 |
| dtchen | there are literally hundreds of places you can tweak an install to squeeze more life | 21:08 |
| Sarvatt | but i dont know where to put scripts now because the acpi-support ac.d and battery.d doesnt get called anymore | 21:08 |
| Sarvatt | don't rather | 21:09 |
| BUGabundo | dtchen: I used to use consevative | 21:09 |
| BUGabundo | but recent studies show that that is not the best choice | 21:09 |
| BUGabundo | since it delays the CPU making it run longer | 21:09 |
| Sarvatt | theres been a ton of changes to ondemand in 30 and 31 and i stopped using conservative because it seems to work better now | 21:10 |
| dtchen | Sarvatt: see pm-powersave(8) for the appropriate migrated directories | 21:11 |
| Sarvatt | thanks dtchen! i havent had time to look at it yet with all the other problems and was hoping someone knew, that helps alot | 21:12 |
| Sarvatt | i use 100hz on my kernels because nohz only sleeps for around 2.5 seconds on x86 so glitch free isnt really an option | 21:14 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo: good point, though ondemand is still somewhat subpar for my test cases | 21:14 |
| BUGabundo | I guess dtchen | 21:14 |
| BUGabundo | it only makes sense for me, *if* you don't really want to start the fan | 21:15 |
| BUGabundo | but since kernel -30 that doesn't make much case for me | 21:15 |
| BUGabundo | since my fun never stops now :((( | 21:15 |
| BUGabundo | not sure if it its kernel bug, or just dust in the fan | 21:15 |
| dtchen | glitch-free works better for my hardware in 2.6.31-rc1 | 21:16 |
| dtchen | we still don't enable PREEMPT, which is a killer | 21:16 |
| dtchen | i'll write up a test pattern tonight and ask andy to roll some kernels to test | 21:16 |
| BUGabundo | dtchen: I still haven't manage to get a proper setting for PA | 21:17 |
| dtchen | i think 250 and 1000 Hz are good starting points; i don't see a real need for 100 Hz, but i'm happy to request that | 21:17 |
| BUGabundo | float1, float10, int, etc none work ok | 21:17 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo: i'm still using float-1 | 21:17 |
| BUGabundo | some do good on something but suck on everyting else, others are just broken | 21:17 |
| BUGabundo | tried that | 21:17 |
| BUGabundo | but flash stall | 21:17 |
| BUGabundo | with 10, it plays for like 3-4 secs and then stops | 21:18 |
| BUGabundo | plays again, stops etc | 21:18 |
| BUGabundo | all float suck on Totem with fastfow | 21:18 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo: does it also happen when you reenable glitch-free (see above)? | 21:19 |
| BUGabundo | dtchen: you mean cat /etc/pulse/default.pa |sed s/tsched=0$//g > ~/.pulse/default.pa | 21:23 |
| Sarvatt | x64 is so much better than x86 for battery life since nohz can sleep interrupts for years vs the ~2.5 second limit on x86 and 1000hz for good glitch-free is an option but i'm stuck on x86 on this netbook and upping the hz on my kernel to use glitch-free causes alot more wakeups :( to be honest i usually go as far as removing all sound modules too on battery because i dont even need sound 90% of the time | 21:23 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo: yes | 21:24 |
| BUGabundo | let me try | 21:25 |
| BUGabundo | done | 21:25 |
| dtchen | Sarvatt: just beware that (latter) approach; a lot of HDA controllers are severely broken and don't actually power down even if no driver is loaded | 21:25 |
| dtchen | Sarvatt: in fact, it's insufficient to _prevent_ the controller and codec drivers from loading, because most bioses actually power them _up_ on reboot | 21:26 |
| Sarvatt | but i have powersave set to 10 seconds for HDA, i would hope that removing them while its in powersave off would keep it off at least in that case.. | 21:27 |
| dtchen | even worse is the disturbing trend to push everything into the bios/efi, because now we can't even deterministically work around such breakage. | 21:27 |
| dtchen | Sarvatt: yes, i suggested that be a test option for jaunty, but i landed it for karmic during uds | 21:28 |
| cwillu | dear god, can somebody explain to me why anything gstreamer'ish skips every few seconds now, when pulseaudio was absolutely rock solid since hardy? | 21:28 |
| dtchen | oh, right, i need to roll test kernels for the power-down fixes | 21:28 |
| dtchen | cwillu: what did you do?! ;-) | 21:28 |
| Sarvatt | i've got pcie_aspm enabled in my kernel too, noticed the ubuntu kernels dont enable it | 21:29 |
| cwillu | dtchen, I upgraded to jaunty | 21:29 |
| * BUGabundo pokes the friendy cwillu | 21:29 | |
| * cwillu breaks down crying | 21:29 | |
| BUGabundo | cwillu: Jaunty??? | 21:29 |
| cwillu | :p | 21:29 |
| cwillu | sorry, not the place | 21:29 |
| BUGabundo | cwillu: come joins us in karmic | 21:29 |
| cwillu | although I'm running karmic's kernel here | 21:29 |
| Sarvatt | dont know why they dont enable it because it doesnt get used if the pcie device is too old unless you force it at boot time so it seems safe | 21:29 |
| BUGabundo | no, you are running -30 kernel... not the karmic one | 21:29 |
| dtchen | cwillu: err... | 21:29 |
| BUGabundo | OLOL | 21:30 |
| BUGabundo | cwillu: how was the trip | 21:30 |
| cwillu | BUGabundo, it's over now, and we will speak of it no more :p | 21:30 |
| dtchen | cwillu: if you're going with .30, you need an entirely new audio stack | 21:30 |
| cwillu | dtchen, I'm running the pulseaudio ppa as well | 21:30 |
| cwillu | so yes, this is probably all my own doing :p | 21:30 |
| dupondje | bleh | 21:31 |
| dupondje | :x | 21:31 |
| dtchen | i know the breakage for stock jaunty pretty well (because that's all likely my doing ;-), but once you toss in other pieces, err well... | 21:31 |
| BUGabundo | total MESSS | 21:31 |
| cwillu | can't run jaunty's kernel though, the ext4 hanger bites me really hard | 21:31 |
| cwillu | more stuff of my own doing :p | 21:32 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo: the last thing to test is adding your user to pulse-rt | 21:32 |
| BUGabundo | dtchen: ok, how ? | 21:32 |
| BUGabundo | to the group you mean? | 21:32 |
| Sarvatt | can you set that via dbus authorizations or do you need to add the user to the group too? | 21:33 |
| BUGabundo | $ groups | 21:34 |
| BUGabundo | bugabundo sys adm dialout fax voice cdrom floppy tape sudo dip www-data video plugdev users syslog scanner fuse lpadmin admin netdev polkituser sambashare kvm nagios davfs2 | 21:34 |
| BUGabundo | I'll need to login again for it to work | 21:34 |
| BUGabundo | humm why is nagios still there?!?! | 21:34 |
| Sarvatt | org.pulseaudio.aquire-real-time | 21:34 |
| cwillu | BUGabundo, you need to purge it if you want all its gunk to go away | 21:35 |
| Sarvatt | cwillu: you "upgraded" the acer to jaunty? | 21:35 |
| BUGabundo | cwillu: that's what I usually do | 21:35 |
| cwillu | Sarvatt, the acer is on karmic | 21:35 |
| Sarvatt | you want to grab karmic's pm-utils package too if so | 21:35 |
| BUGabundo | that's why I find it strange to still be in there | 21:35 |
| Sarvatt | ahh ok | 21:35 |
| cwillu | this is my desktop that I'm griping about now :p | 21:35 |
| * cwillu has half a dozen machines within 5 feet of him, and he's not even at work right now :p | 21:36 | |
| Sarvatt | jaunty's pm-utils doesnt handle KMS quirks for suspend/resume is why i said that | 21:36 |
| BUGabundo | Sarvatt: right now we nothing managing power or suspend :\\ | 21:37 |
| BUGabundo | I can only hibernate with $ pm-hibernate | 21:37 |
| cwillu | Sarvatt, this is also an nvidia chipset and videocard :p | 21:37 |
| BUGabundo | good old pm-utisl eheh | 21:37 |
| Sarvatt | ? | 21:37 |
| cwillu | so kms is a non-issue | 21:38 |
| Sarvatt | are you still on the broken devicekit-power BUGabundo? | 21:38 |
| Sarvatt | if so upgrade to 1ubuntu2 and reboot :D | 21:38 |
| Sarvatt | 1ubuntu1 was broken | 21:38 |
| BUGabundo | Sarvatt: no upgrades to be done! | 21:39 |
| BUGabundo | fully uptodate | 21:39 |
| BUGabundo | even power button works now | 21:39 |
| Sarvatt | did you upgrade since the last time you rebooted? | 21:39 |
| BUGabundo | but FUSA is not showing hibernate/suspend | 21:39 |
| * BUGabundo thinking | 21:39 | |
| Sarvatt | devicekit-daemon stays running with the old broken version after you upgrade until you reboot | 21:39 |
| BUGabundo | hum I reboot yesterday afternoon, I think | 21:39 |
| BUGabundo | cwillu: PVT | 21:40 |
| Sarvatt | the fix was last night here | 21:40 |
| BUGabundo | ahh | 21:40 |
| BUGabundo | so, No, I did not rebooted | 21:40 |
| cwillu | BUGabundo, ignoring it :p | 21:40 |
| Sarvatt | it should work when you reboot | 21:40 |
| BUGabundo | :( | 21:40 |
| BUGabundo | $ w 21:40:40 up 1 day, 5:05, 5 users, load average: 4.68, 4.93, 4.58 | 21:40 |
| Sarvatt | yeah for sure you dont have the fixed one running | 21:40 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 21:41 |
| Sarvatt | Sun Jun 28 00:05:19 BST 2009 | 21:41 |
| Sarvatt | (was when it was updated) | 21:41 |
| BUGabundo | -- Steve Langasek <steve.langasek@ubuntu.com> Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:41:38 -0700 | 21:41 |
| BUGabundo | acpi-support (0.124) karmic; urgency=low | 21:42 |
| Sarvatt | its devicekit-power thats causing your problems | 21:42 |
| BUGabundo | or devicekit-power (008-1ubuntu2) karmic; urgency=low | 21:42 |
| Sarvatt | the daemon couldnt run with the 1ubuntu1 update, so no suspend/resume in gnome | 21:42 |
| Sarvatt | and upgrading it leaves the one thats broken running until you reboot | 21:43 |
| BUGabundo | btw | 21:44 |
| BUGabundo | anyone knows of anything causing lost of Color on videos ? | 21:44 |
| BUGabundo | some videos now are just bluesish or something | 21:44 |
| Sarvatt | nope havent heard of that, tried disabling the video extension in compiz? changed the video output device in your media player? | 21:45 |
| BUGabundo | humm tried all players I have | 21:46 |
| BUGabundo | and that ALL in the archive | 21:46 |
| BUGabundo | reboot, nothing | 21:46 |
| BUGabundo | after 30 sec of vid, some players stay ok | 21:47 |
| BUGabundo | mplayer complains a few lines on the YUV | 21:47 |
| Sarvatt | what GPU? have you changed the output settings around in system - preferences - multimedia system selector to see if its any different? | 21:47 |
| BUGabundo | [mpeg4 @ 0x7f508cb8b9e0]Invalid and inefficient vfw-avi packed B frames detected | 21:48 |
| BUGabundo | VDec: vo config request - 512 x 384 (preferred colorspace: Planar YV12) | 21:48 |
| BUGabundo | VDec: using Planar YV12 as output csp (no 0) | 21:48 |
| BUGabundo | Sarvatt: nvidia 8400m G | 21:48 |
| BUGabundo | multimedia is set to Auto | 21:49 |
| Sarvatt | oh i have no idea about nvidia binary drivers, will take a look at nvnews.net forums | 21:50 |
| cwillu | BUGabundo, sec | 21:50 |
| Sarvatt | you using vdpau? | 21:50 |
| BUGabundo | not sure | 21:51 |
| BUGabundo | let me check | 21:51 |
| cwillu | bah, nvm. I thought I remembered something in the readme.txt.gz for nvidia-glx-180 about that, but I can't find it | 21:51 |
| BUGabundo | XV | 21:51 |
| BUGabundo | cwillu: just deleted that apt-changes | 21:52 |
| BUGabundo | didn't read anything usefull on this | 21:52 |
| BUGabundo | I went back to check it too | 21:52 |
| daubers | Hey chaps, just done an update and the usplash boot loader thing is off center | 21:52 |
| BUGabundo | darn mplayer.... crashes on it self! ::(( | 21:53 |
| Sarvatt | try switching it to opengl output? | 21:53 |
| BUGabundo | gl or gl2 ? | 21:54 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo: which version? 185.18.14-0ubuntu1? | 21:54 |
| BUGabundo | dtchen: nvidia? | 21:54 |
| dtchen | yes | 21:54 |
| BUGabundo | Installed: 185.18.14-0ubuntu1 | 21:54 |
| cwillu | BUGabundo, I meant a historical issue or a commonly run into problem that they had documented | 21:55 |
| cwillu | but I can't find it | 21:55 |
| BUGabundo | http://paste.ubuntu.com/205802/ | 21:55 |
| dupondje | BUGabundo: nouveau works great ;) | 21:55 |
| BUGabundo | see gmplayer crash | 21:55 |
| BUGabundo | MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: unknown - MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM. | 21:57 |
| BUGabundo | I did report a gdb bt a while ago upstream | 21:57 |
| BUGabundo | got zero replies :( | 21:57 |
| Sarvatt | bugabundo, try opening up the nvidia x server settings and lowering the saturation down to 0 | 21:57 |
| BUGabundo | its zero already | 21:57 |
| BUGabundo | all of them are | 21:57 |
| Sarvatt | click save settings | 21:58 |
| BUGabundo | I can set -1000 | 21:58 |
| Sarvatt | someone saying they had the same problem until they saved the settings because of a change since the older drivers | 21:58 |
| BUGabundo | thers no Save | 21:58 |
| BUGabundo | just quit | 21:58 |
| Sarvatt | where are the settings saved? guessing a .nvidia or something in your home folder? | 21:58 |
| BUGabundo | I guess | 21:59 |
| Sarvatt | can ya find it and open up the configuration file? and look at the 0/XVideoTextureSaturation= line | 21:59 |
| cwillu | /home/cwillu/.nvidia-settings-rc | 21:59 |
| BUGabundo | /home/bugabundo/.nvidia-settings-rc | 21:59 |
| Sarvatt | does it say 0 already? | 21:59 |
| BUGabundo | $ pastebinit /home/bugabundo/.nvidia-settings-rc http://paste.ubuntu.com/205806/ | 22:00 |
| Sarvatt | yeah change lubug:0.0/XVideoTextureSaturation=-1000 to lubug:0.0/XVideoTextureSaturation=0 | 22:00 |
| BUGabundo | was -1000 because of my last change | 22:00 |
| BUGabundo | yes I know | 22:00 |
| BUGabundo | set to 0 now | 22:00 |
| Sarvatt | someone was saying the .nvidia-settings-rc had 4096 after upgrading drivers and they had to change it to 0 and save even though the control panel app said it was at 0 already | 22:01 |
| BUGabundo | okayyyy now its B/W | 22:01 |
| cwillu | BUGabundo, pastebin your .nvidia-settings-rc | 22:01 |
| cwillu | lol | 22:01 |
| Sarvatt | its at -1000 still then lol | 22:01 |
| Sarvatt | might need to save it in the app at 0 again for it to stick | 22:02 |
| BUGabundo | cwillu: already did look up | 22:02 |
| * cwillu blinks | 22:02 | |
| BUGabundo | haahah | 22:02 |
| BUGabundo | got the trick! input boxes don't work! I have to drag the bar | 22:02 |
| BUGabundo | :((( | 22:02 |
| BUGabundo | wanna fill a bug on nvidia? | 22:03 |
| BUGabundo | ahah | 22:03 |
| cwillu | might want you to hit enter after changing it | 22:03 |
| BUGabundo | and I can only set -3 or 4 | 22:03 |
| BUGabundo | no persision for more :( | 22:03 |
| BUGabundo | cwillu: doesn't work | 22:03 |
| BUGabundo | lol | 22:03 |
| cwillu | just edit the file :p | 22:03 |
| cwillu | and rerun nvidia-settings -l | 22:03 |
| BUGabundo | I did! when I opened nvidia settings it had the old one | 22:04 |
| BUGabundo | $ pastebinit /home/bugabundo/.nvidia-settings-rc | 22:04 |
| BUGabundo | http://paste.ubuntu.com/205808/ | 22:04 |
| BUGabundo | should be ok now | 22:04 |
| BUGabundo | testing video | 22:04 |
| Sarvatt | it doesnt let you save if you change it to -3 or whatever then save, then put it back at 0? | 22:04 |
| BUGabundo | ok seems to have done the trick | 22:05 |
| BUGabundo | not blue, not B/W | 22:05 |
| Sarvatt | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=133810 | 22:05 |
| Sarvatt | We changed some of the Xv attribute ranges due to persistent problems with certain video players getting the defaults wrong. | 22:06 |
| Sarvatt | i guess 4096 used to be the middle of the slider and 0 was what -1000 is now | 22:07 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 22:07 |
| BUGabundo | now I only need to find a way to fix mplayer complain about tft | 22:08 |
| BUGabundo | seems I may have deleted a file too much | 22:08 |
| BUGabundo | I did purge and reinstall it. but no fix :( | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | "Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf)." | 22:09 |
| mahfiaz | has anyone figured out what to do with dbus? | 22:09 |
| Sarvatt | try changing the font in the settings | 22:10 |
| cwillu | E: memblock.c: Assertion 'length' failed at pulsecore/memblock.c:356, function pa_memblock_new_fixed(). Aborting. | 22:10 |
| BUGabundo | cwillu: yay | 22:10 |
| BUGabundo | cabum | 22:10 |
| * cwillu wraps up the pieces in a tarp and delivers them to dtchen | 22:10 | |
| cwillu | not that he wants them :p | 22:10 |
| BUGabundo | ahaha | 22:11 |
| BUGabundo | cwillu: that's a very non-standard case | 22:11 |
| cwillu | E: alsa-sink.c: ALSA woke us up to write new data to the device, but there was actually nothing to write! | 22:11 |
| cwillu | E: alsa-sink.c: Most likely this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_intel8x0'. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers. | 22:11 |
| cwillu | E: alsa-sink.c: We were woken up with POLLOUT set -- however a subsequent snd_pcm_avail() returned 0 or another value < min_avail. | 22:11 |
| BUGabundo | hey RAOF | 22:11 |
| BUGabundo | !paste | cwillu | 22:11 |
| ubottu | cwillu: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic | 22:11 |
| BUGabundo | :p | 22:11 |
| cwillu | BUGabundo, you realize that right there you spammed the channel _more_ than my three lines did? ;p | 22:12 |
| dtchen | cwillu: pulse bug and linux bugs, respectively | 22:12 |
| dtchen | pulse bug should be largely resolved in karmic's current pulse, but luke and i have 0.9.16-test1 waiting for a 2.6.31-rc1-based kernel and rtkit | 22:13 |
| dtchen | the linux bug is much more difficult to resolve | 22:13 |
| dtchen | all the hacks we have in place don't resolve the issue of the hardware not reporting dma pointer correctly | 22:14 |
| dtchen | i.e., hardware sucks ;-) | 22:14 |
| cwillu | that error doesn't seem to coincide with any other issues | 22:14 |
| BUGabundo | dtchen: realistic: when will Linux as an whole have a decent Audio Stack?? | 22:14 |
| cwillu | fires once when pulse start up | 22:14 |
| cwillu | !info pulseaudio | 22:14 |
| ubottu | pulseaudio (source: pulseaudio): PulseAudio sound server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.9.15-4ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 540 kB, installed size 3432 kB | 22:14 |
| cwillu | I'm running -3ubuntu1~ppa2 | 22:15 |
| dtchen | cwillu: right, the linux issue is there regardless whether pulse is used. it's just that pulse _expects_ the dma pointer to be correct, whereas other apps using alsa-lib don't care. | 22:15 |
| * cwillu shrugs | 22:15 | |
| dtchen | pulse is different because it has to mix potentially disparate sources into multiple outputs simultaneously | 22:16 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo: well, that question is really "when will distro X have a decent audio stack"? | 22:16 |
| BUGabundo | and then tries to Flat them.... that's so NOT working ..... | 22:16 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo: flatvol is already addressed in 0.9.16-test1 | 22:16 |
| BUGabundo | dtchen: ok. when will *this* distro have it? | 22:16 |
| cwillu | dtchen, without wanting to come off as an oss or alsa zealot, how does that jive with the usual "alsa can mix applications just fine these days" complaints? | 22:17 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo: hard to say, and i'm not good at predicting the future. all i can say is that everyone is working very hard to make each release noticeably better. | 22:17 |
| BUGabundo | and we see it better | 22:18 |
| BUGabundo | but I still find so many hurds! | 22:18 |
| dtchen | cwillu: alsa _can't_ mix applications just fine for the same use cases that pulse does. | 22:18 |
| BUGabundo | its like there's an entire world of stuff to change | 22:18 |
| cwillu | dtchen, fair enough | 22:18 |
| dtchen | cwillu: the argument put forth is that dmix is perfectly sufficient of mixing multiple 16-bit 44.1 kHz 2-channel streams to _one_ output, and that's supposedly perfectly sufficient for "everyone" | 22:19 |
| BUGabundo | !info dmix | 22:19 |
| ubottu | Package dmix does not exist in karmic | 22:19 |
| cwillu | dtchen, okay | 22:20 |
| cwillu | admittedly, it is enough for some of people, and it's frustrating to have audio broken because of features I don't use | 22:20 |
| dtchen | cwillu: of course, that argument is flawed, because desktop users no longer want _just_ that; we want 16-bit and 24-bit, 44.1 kHz and 48 kHz (and upward) and stereo and 5.1 streams going to multiple devices over 802.11abgn nets | 22:20 |
| cwillu | that it's enough for everyone is certainly flawed | 22:21 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo: yes, there _is_ an enormous amount to pull out of the slag and make up-to-par | 22:22 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo: (dmix is an alsa-lib "core plugin" for mixing multiple playback streams) | 22:23 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 22:23 |
| dtchen | (dsnoop is the capture counterpart; dmix and dsnoop are combined into asym; asym has to be enabled in an alsa-lib configuration file per-driver; see /usr/share/alsa/cards/) | 22:24 |
| BUGabundo | I still can't raise my pidgin sound! all other _permantent_ playing apps are fixable. but not ones that just ping | 22:24 |
| dtchen | yeah, the really short streams are problematic | 22:24 |
| BUGabundo | yeah | 22:24 |
| BUGabundo | and I've seen a few players reset the volume each time a track starts | 22:25 |
| dtchen | partly gtk bug, partly flatvol (pulse) bug | 22:25 |
| dtchen | both resolved and should land for Beta | 22:26 |
| BUGabundo | can't wait that long :pp | 22:26 |
| BUGabundo | we are still pre-A3 | 22:26 |
| BUGabundo | hehe | 22:26 |
| BUGabundo | hope karmic is a bit more stable in audio then JJ | 22:27 |
| Twigathy | oh man, pulseaudio... *RAGE*.... I had to hack up several config files scattered over /etc, ~/.blergh etc. before I got it working how I wanted :> | 22:27 |
| BUGabundo | btw BlueTooth audio working again? do we have the profiles back, dtchen? | 22:27 |
| BUGabundo | Twigathy: true. they are all over the place ehe | 22:28 |
| dtchen | BUGabundo: in current git, yes | 22:28 |
| dtchen | not in current karmic | 22:28 |
| dtchen | need to get back to fixing stuff; offline for a bit | 22:28 |
| BUGabundo | dtchen: will it land?? there's a blueprign on it | 22:29 |
| BUGabundo | bye dtchen | 22:29 |
| lamalex | can anyone help me fix grub2? | 22:45 |
| lamalex | I just installed karmic, but it didnt add my jaunty or f11 entries t it | 22:45 |
| BUGabundo | Sarvatt: I still have a prob with composite and gnome-do | 22:49 |
| BUGabundo | on every boot it doesn't work | 22:50 |
| BUGabundo | if I close do, and reopen its ok | 22:50 |
| BUGabundo | :( | 22:50 |
| BUGabundo | bug? | 22:50 |
| Sarvatt | odd, it starting up before compiz? | 22:50 |
| BUGabundo | no idea | 22:50 |
| lamalex | BUGabundo: that should be fixed with 0.8.2 hits karmic | 22:50 |
| Sarvatt | sounds like it | 22:50 |
| BUGabundo | take a look at my bootcharts | 22:50 |
| BUGabundo | and try to make sense of it | 22:50 |
| lamalex | we listen to the composite changed signal and switch interfaces | 22:51 |
| BUGabundo | lamalex: ?? | 22:51 |
| lamalex | <-- gnome do developer | 22:51 |
| BUGabundo | lamalex: and you are? | 22:51 |
| BUGabundo | ok... faster then me | 22:51 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 22:51 |
| BUGabundo | lamalex: bug id for that? | 22:51 |
| lamalex | feel free to search, i got other stuff to do, there are like 40 dupes of that though, shouldnt be hard to find | 22:52 |
| BUGabundo | ahaha | 22:52 |
| lamalex | 0.8.2 was released this week | 22:52 |
| lamalex | so should be in karmic soon | 22:52 |
| lamalex | the work around until then if you care is just add like, sleep 2 to /usr/bin/gnome-do starup script | 22:53 |
| Sarvatt | install it from here in that case BUGabundo https://edge.launchpad.net/~do-core/+archive/ppa | 22:53 |
| lamalex | ah yah, we have a ppa :) right | 22:53 |
| Sarvatt | the bugs are linked in the changelog actually too | 22:53 |
| lamalex | BUGabundo: i dont suppose you know abut grub2 configuration | 22:53 |
| BUGabundo | yeah was going to be the next question: PPA | 22:53 |
| Sarvatt | + Reacts correctly when a Composite manager is enabled/ | 22:54 |
| Sarvatt | disabled at runtime. (LP: #346347, LP: #390150) | 22:54 |
| BUGabundo | lamalex: no | 22:54 |
| BUGabundo | billybigrigger: ping please help lamalex | 22:54 |
| lamalex | :) | 22:54 |
| lamalex | sweet nick | 22:54 |
| BUGabundo | lamalex: about pidgin plugin? | 22:54 |
| lamalex | what? | 22:54 |
| BUGabundo | it doesn't gain focus when opening Chat for nicks | 22:54 |
| BUGabundo | known? | 22:54 |
| lamalex | that's a pidgin bug, and it's known | 22:55 |
| Sarvatt | what problem do you have with grub2? you edit the things in /etc/default/grub then update-grub2 after if thats the problem | 22:55 |
| lamalex | Sarvatt: that may be all i need to know | 22:55 |
| * lamalex tries | 22:55 | |
| lamalex | hm ok, debconf just updated grub-pc and it has a horibly cryptic window | 22:55 |
| Sarvatt | dont manually change anything in grub.cfg like ya did with grub1 before, took me awhile to figure that out too :D | 22:55 |
| * BUGabundo adds DO ppa | 22:57 | |
| lamalex | http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/203/screenshotdebconfonpika.png | 22:57 |
| lamalex | anyone know what im supposed to do here? | 22:57 |
| Sarvatt | which drive do you have grub installed to? | 22:57 |
| Sarvatt | most likely its going to be /dev/sda but i dont know if you use sdb as your boot drive | 22:58 |
| lamalex | I think /dev/sda, but why is it asking me | 22:58 |
| lamalex | shouldnt it be able to figure this out | 22:58 |
| lamalex | i dont even think i have an sdb | 22:58 |
| lamalex | .. id ont | 22:59 |
| Sarvatt | probably a safeguard against it automatically installing to a MBR when people dont want that | 22:59 |
| lamalex | there's only sdaX in /dev | 22:59 |
| Sarvatt | usb drive plugged in? | 22:59 |
| lamalex | nope | 22:59 |
| Sarvatt | yeah install it to sda | 22:59 |
| BUGabundo | lamalex: usb pen, card reader? | 22:59 |
| lamalex | BUGabundo: nothing | 22:59 |
| lamalex | /dev shows no sdb | 22:59 |
| Sarvatt | /dev/sda is what you want, it probably should be more clear | 23:00 |
| Sarvatt | the one thats checked is the one its installed to now though i imagine | 23:00 |
| lamalex | Sarvatt: i checked that | 23:00 |
| lamalex | neither were chekced when it popped up | 23:00 |
| Sarvatt | ah | 23:00 |
| lamalex | that's a terrible dialog though | 23:00 |
| BUGabundo | lamalex: file an UI bug | 23:01 |
| lamalex | BUGabundo: in progress :) | 23:01 |
| Sarvatt | indeed | 23:01 |
| Sarvatt | they might have just added that in the last update in a hurry to fix the problems with macs | 23:02 |
| Sarvatt | since they dont want to install to any mbr and it was doing it before | 23:02 |
| lamalex | Sarvatt: /etc/default/grub isnt what i want | 23:03 |
| lamalex | i need to add entries for other OS's because they apparently werent found at install | 23:03 |
| lamalex | anyone now how? | 23:09 |
| lamalex | hmm.. in grub.d/30_osprober it finds all of my systems | 23:11 |
| lamalex | but theyre not in the grub list | 23:11 |
| lamalex | wtf | 23:11 |
| lamalex | hmm rebooted and theyre there now | 23:15 |
| lamalex | good | 23:15 |
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| BUGabundo | cwillu: [identica] qense: !Ubuntu #jaunty keeps freezing on file operations with #ext4 on !linux 2.26.28 with a dozen of find_group_flex failures in /var/log/messages | 23:43 |
| billybigrigger | BUGabundo::: pong | 23:51 |
| billybigrigger | lamalex::: you still need help? | 23:51 |
| BUGabundo | hey billybigrigger | 23:51 |
| lamalex | billybigrigger: do you know how to set a default os in grub2 | 23:51 |
| lamalex | and it's still not showing fedora in the list | 23:52 |
| lamalex | despite os_prober showing it | 23:52 |
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| cwillu | BUGabundo, yes, that's a known bug, he needs to run 2.6.29 or later | 23:57 |
| BUGabundo | I know | 23:57 |
| cwillu | :) | 23:57 |
| BUGabundo | I'll see if I can tell him that | 23:57 |
| billybigrigger | eeek sorry | 23:58 |
| billybigrigger | spilled bloody coffee all down in my keypad :P | 23:59 |
| BUGabundo | hahaha | 23:59 |
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