[00:23] <Tiibiidii> i have some questions... i want to report 2 bugs to launchpad
[00:24] <Tiibiidii> but i'm not quite sure
[00:24] <BUGabundo> Tiibiidii: what are they?
[00:24] <Tiibiidii> do you know gufw?
[00:25] <BUGabundo> yes
[00:25] <Tiibiidii> i've never really used it... and i've not any serious reason to use it other than "hey, i want to setup easily a firewall"
[00:25] <Tiibiidii> the point is
[00:25] <Tiibiidii> smb
[00:26] <Tiibiidii> needs 4 open ports (don't remember those at the moment)
[00:26] <Tiibiidii> so
[00:26] <Tiibiidii> i configured gufw
[00:26] <Tiibiidii> to open these ports
[00:26] <Tiibiidii> but smb doesn't work
[00:26] <Tiibiidii> disabled gufw
[00:26] <Tiibiidii> smb work
[00:26] <Tiibiidii> enabled gufw
[00:26] <Tiibiidii> but leaving all ports open
[00:26] <Tiibiidii> smb doesn't work
[00:26] <Tiibiidii> to me
[00:26] <penguin42> do you get log messages to tell you what gufw is blocking?
[00:27] <Tiibiidii> this seems a bug... but i'm not a smb expert, so maybe i'm missing something
[00:27] <Tiibiidii> uhm
[00:27] <penguin42> most firewalls log whenever they drop a packet
[00:29] <Tiibiidii> found it
[00:29] <Tiibiidii> uhm... now it's empty, maybe because it's disabled from the startup (i had the bug some days ago, but only today i decided to report it)
[00:33] <penguin42> I'd try to recreate it, and check the log as samba fails; see what the log is complaining about
[00:33] <penguin42> also when you disable gufw try a reboot - it's possible that it is leaving the firewall still enabled in iptables
[00:36] <Tiibiidii> yes... i had to boot the old and slow win xp machine with the smb share^^
[00:37] <Tiibiidii> now i found something interesting
[00:37] <Tiibiidii> i've not enable gufw logging
[00:37] <Tiibiidii> so that's why gufw log's empty
[00:37] <Tiibiidii> but i've enabled ufw logging (gufw should be little more than a frontend of ufw)... but there isn't any ufw log
[00:39] <Tiibiidii> ok... with gufw disabled smb works
[00:39] <Tiibiidii> now i've enabled gufw, its logging and 137 udp/tcp 138 udp and 139 tcp
[00:40] <Tiibiidii> as of http://support.microsoft.com/kb/204279 this should work
[00:41] <penguin42> so what does the log say is being dropped?
[00:41] <Tiibiidii> smb (via nautilus) doesn't give any errors... simply avoid display any share
[00:41] <Tiibiidii> and the gufw log
[00:41] <Tiibiidii> nothing
[00:42] <Tiibiidii> [28/06/2009 01:38:37] ...Fine operazione
[00:42] <penguin42> and in dmesg?
[00:42] <Tiibiidii> is fine if i paste the last 5 lines of dmesg directly here?
[00:43] <Tiibiidii> oh well... i'm doing it^^
[00:43] <Tiibiidii> [48573.070487] ip_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team
[00:43] <Tiibiidii> [48575.800776] nf_conntrack version 0.5.0 (16384 buckets, 65536 max)
[00:43] <Tiibiidii> [48575.800994] CONFIG_NF_CT_ACCT is deprecated and will be removed soon. Please use
[00:43] <Tiibiidii> [48575.800996] nf_conntrack.acct=1 kernel paramater, acct=1 nf_conntrack module option or
[00:43] <Tiibiidii> [48575.800998] sysctl net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_acct=1 to enable it.
[00:43] <Tiibiidii> [48575.831486] ip6_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team
[00:44] <penguin42> hmm odd, I think a dmesg would normally show dropped packets wouldn't it? I'd check if the firewall is logging
[00:44] <Tiibiidii> i'm doing tail -f /var/log/gufw_log.txt
[00:45] <Tiibiidii> and the only thing it shows
[00:45] <Tiibiidii> is the line i pasted above
[00:45] <Tiibiidii> (before i enabled gufw it wasn't there... so i suppose logging is working fine)
[00:45] <penguin42> I don't know anything about gufw I'm afraid; I'm sure it just does iptables but you'd have to dig to see how it sets up iptables logging
[00:45] <Tiibiidii> mhn
[00:46] <Tiibiidii> do you think that posting my findings to launchpad would be a valid bug report?
[00:46] <BUGabundo> !paste | Tiibiidii
[00:46] <ubot4> Tiibiidii: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic
[00:46] <BUGabundo> or use pastebinit
[00:46] <Tiibiidii> i'm lazy :P
[00:47] <Tiibiidii> i'll do it next time^^
[00:47] <BUGabundo> better do it :p
[00:48] <Tiibiidii> what do you think about this btw?
[00:48] <BUGabundo> no idea
[00:48] <Tiibiidii> uhm
[00:49] <Tiibiidii> strange
[00:49] <Tiibiidii> i opened gufw
[00:49] <Tiibiidii> and it cleared the logfile
[00:49] <Tiibiidii> (that was 1 line... now it's empty)
[00:58] <Tiibiidii> uhm... don't know if i remember wrong... or if the problem was solved... but now by setting a rule to allow any connection to any port, smb works as expected
[00:59] <penguin42> You really need to get it to log packets it drops; once you do that it'll be obvious which port is missing
[00:59] <Tiibiidii> yeah
[01:00] <Tiibiidii> the problem is that i can't find not even some iptables log
[01:00] <Tiibiidii> (now looking into messages)
[01:00] <penguin42> maybe look at the settings in gufw - it might be set to drop or reject but not log
[01:01] <Tiibiidii> uhm... gufw doesn't have many options^^
[01:02] <Tiibiidii> (tipical of gnome apps indeed)
[01:05] <Tiibiidii> this could be a simple issue of not allowing a single port... you aren't aware of any other than 137/138/139?
[01:06] <Tiibiidii> (ah, opened even 445)
[01:06]  * penguin42 isn't
[01:12] <Tiibiidii> uhm... this is interesting: http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=770526
[01:12] <Tiibiidii> "If I turn the firewall ON I can continue to access the Maxtor NAS, but the home workgroup and XP Home system do a disappearing act."
[01:12] <Tiibiidii> could be a windows xp problem
[01:13] <Tiibiidii> "I've tried again and while I can indeed access any NAS or windows share, it fails if I try to do so through places > network in nautilus."
[01:13] <Tiibiidii> or instead could be a nautilus problem
[01:14] <penguin42> I doubt nautilus is interacting with the firewall - it could be
[01:19] <Tiibiidii> mhn
[01:19] <Tiibiidii> the point is... the guy on that forum says that browsing the smb shares
[01:19] <Tiibiidii> is different from connecting to a smb share
[01:19] <Tiibiidii> and indeed
[01:20] <Tiibiidii> he seems right
[01:20] <Tiibiidii> i managed to connect
[01:20] <Tiibiidii> by avoiding browsing
[01:20] <Tiibiidii> so
[01:20] <Tiibiidii> i guess nautilus is using some other port for discovering the smb share... some port different from the smb ones
[01:21] <Tiibiidii> this mean that this wasn't a gufw issue... maybe
[01:21] <Tiibiidii> (not having a decent logging may be another bug on itself)
[01:26] <penguin42> anyway, time to go - as I say, get logging configured and it should be easy to find
[01:26] <bcurtiswx> who here knows what PPA i can use to test the new intel driver... this would be for jaunty
[01:28] <Tiibiidii> this?
[01:28] <Tiibiidii> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates/
[01:28] <Ampelbein> bcurtiswx: or this: https://edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa ?
[01:30] <bcurtiswx> ty both
[01:40] <Tiibiidii> ok
[01:40] <Tiibiidii> not an issue of nautilus
[01:40] <Tiibiidii> even smbtree has it
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[02:08] <Craigy90> hi all, I have a Q:
[02:08] <Craigy90> which package would a bug about the login screen be filed against?
[02:11] <Ampelbein> Craigy90: depends on your installation, most likely it's gdm.
[02:11] <Ampelbein> when using gnome that is
[02:11] <Craigy90> yeah, sorry... gnome
[02:11] <Craigy90> ok, thx ampelbein
[02:30] <Tiibiidii> ah, for the record: i think of have found what's the problem... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190542
[02:31] <Tiibiidii> even though i still need to find a solution applicable for gufw (if there's one)... but for now i think i'll leave
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[03:26] <_dcraven> So.. I'm looking for an package upgrade bug to repackage if there is a newer version upstream compared to the version in the ubuntu repos. Many of these (in LP) are assigned to debbugs meaning the intent is that they are to be upgraded in Debian, then synced. Are we supposed to ignore these?
[03:28] <_dcraven> Actually this question might be better asked in #ubuntu-motu I suppose.
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[06:09] <micahg> is a .crash file created even when apport is not enabled?
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[11:04] <BUGabundo> hallo
[12:33] <jdstrand> Tiibiidii: re gufw> just passing by, but please see bugs #345221 and #360975
[12:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 345221 in ufw "ufw blocks samba in 8.10" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345221
[12:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 360975 in ufw "Please add nf_conntrack_pptp and nf_conntrack_netbios_ns to IPT_MODULES" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/360975
[14:22] <xteejx> Hey guys, am triaging bug 124387 what other debugging information can I get, already have version numbers, etc. The apt lock file keeps reinstating itself.
[14:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 124387 in update-manager "[jaunty] update manager lock file not always removed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124387
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[15:40] <Tiibiidii> <jdstrand> Tiibiidii: re gufw> just passing by, but please see bugs #345221 and #360975 <-- ty, i was looking at some bugs (like #308334) when my isp cut me out... i'm wondering if it should be reported even on gufw other than on ufw...
[15:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 345221 in ufw "ufw blocks samba in 8.10" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345221
[15:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 360975 in ufw "Please add nf_conntrack_pptp and nf_conntrack_netbios_ns to IPT_MODULES" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/360975
[15:40] <Tiibiidii> btw, is it only me that's having problem connecting to bugs.launchpad.net?
[15:41] <Tiibiidii> i keep getting "Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server. "
[16:36] <_dcraven> Same deal here Tiibiidii
[16:37] <BUGabundo> LP is down and known
[16:42] <_dcraven> :(
[17:22] <_dcraven> Seems LP is back up if you're interested.
[17:31] <bcurtiswx> hggdh: ping
[18:25] <scream> How do I instruct something to cron every 6 hours?
[18:25] <scream> on the 0 0 0 0 0 syntax
[18:25] <BUGabundo> scream: RTM man cron
[18:25] <BUGabundo> :)
[18:25] <BUGabundo> scream: this is a bug triage #. please refer support questions to #ubuntu
[18:25] <BUGabundo> thanks!
[18:25] <scream> Honestly... I've done that, but I'm still confused.
[18:25] <scream> snap
[18:26] <scream> I'm sorry, I'm in the wrong channel.
[18:26] <BUGabundo> np
[18:26] <BUGabundo> you are welcome to come aboard
[18:38] <Tiibiidii> ok, i've another bug... with evolution
[18:38] <Tiibiidii> a segmentation fault... but it is only for my user
[18:39] <Tiibiidii> i mean: it's due to an error in in my ~/.evolution
[18:40] <Tiibiidii> does it make it for a good bug report?
[18:41] <Tiibiidii> or instead i should file a bug against the defect that generated the misconfiguration?
[19:45] <bcurtiswx> hggdh: ping
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[20:38] <lesshaste> hi all
[20:39] <BUGabundo> hey lesshaste
[20:39] <lesshaste> I have this quite odd bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/389930 and it seems we have hit a brick wall.. any ideas?
[20:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 389930 in grub "grub menu skipped after shutdown" [Low,New]
[20:39] <bcurtiswx> hi lesshaste Bugabundo
[20:39] <lesshaste> hi bcurtiswx BUGabundo
[20:45] <bcurtiswx> lesshaste: doesn't shutdown -h now go into hibernate?
[20:46] <lesshaste> bcurtiswx: it appears not
[20:46] <lesshaste> bcurtiswx: but that's an interesting suggestion
[20:47] <bcurtiswx> lesshaste: hibernate will shutdown like a regular shutdown and save your current state to your RAM... then upon load it will loadup like it does but skip grub since it expects to go into the saved state
[20:47] <bcurtiswx> lesshaste: its not a bug.  if you want to shutdown you use the -r option
[20:47] <lesshaste> bcurtiswx: well... the thing is that "hibernate" from the dropdown menu doesn't behave like shutdown -h now ... let me try it now so I can describe the difference
[20:48] <lesshaste> (not on this computer :) )
[20:48] <bcurtiswx> lesshaste: why are you using -h anyways?
[20:48] <bcurtiswx> and -h doesn't hibernate im sorry
[20:48] <lesshaste> bcurtiswx: I just wanted the dropdown "shutdown" to work but the bug replier said test shutdown from the command line
[20:49] <lesshaste> no problem
[20:50] <bcurtiswx> lesshaste: ok, so you ARE using hte shutdown menu on the taskbar
[20:50] <bcurtiswx> and that bug happens
[20:50] <bcurtiswx> ok
[20:50] <lesshaste> bcurtiswx: it's exactly the same when I use the menu and when I do "shutdown -h now" from the command line
[20:50] <lesshaste> shutdown from the menu that is
[20:50] <bcurtiswx> yeah, the command line "shutdown -r now" works as expected.. right?
[20:51] <lesshaste> restart from the menu is exactly like "shutdown -r now" and yes it works as expected and loads grub
[20:51] <bcurtiswx> yes yes
[20:51] <bcurtiswx> sorry, wow ive lost it
[20:51] <lesshaste> :)
[20:52] <bcurtiswx> try shutdown -P now
[20:52] <bcurtiswx> that should be how the "shutdown" button in the taskbar works
[20:53] <bcurtiswx> see if that works
[20:53] <lesshaste> trying it now
[20:54] <lesshaste> it shutdown fully as before and on restart it didn't load grub
[20:55] <bcurtiswx> kick it....
[20:55] <bcurtiswx> no no no.. just kidding
[20:55] <lesshaste> :)
[20:56] <lesshaste> odd isn't it
[20:56] <bcurtiswx> does the "3...2...1" come up sayings its going to the grub menu?
[20:56] <lesshaste> no
[20:56] <lesshaste> not visibly at least
[20:56] <lesshaste> it would be great if there were a log that told you about grub loading
[20:56] <lesshaste> but I can't find one
[20:56] <lesshaste> dmesg never mentions grub
[20:57] <bcurtiswx> one sec, im gonna check my dmesg
[20:58] <lesshaste> ok
[21:00] <bcurtiswx> someone stop me now if this is a no no.. but i can't think of why.. but attach your /boot/grub/menu.lst to the bug report
[21:02] <lesshaste> http://pastebin.com/f718f445d
[21:02] <lesshaste> are you sure? it's very boringh
[21:02] <bcurtiswx> actually a pastebin is good for now, im compring to my grub menu.lst
[21:03] <lesshaste> errr
[21:03] <lesshaste> wrong thing! Igore that
[21:03] <lesshaste> Ignore that!
[21:03] <lesshaste> I'm coming back in 2 seconds
[21:03] <bcurtiswx> lol, must be his current machine
[21:03] <bcurtiswx> lol
[21:06] <bcurtiswx> welcome back
[21:07] <lesshaste> thanks :)
[21:07] <lesshaste> http://pastebin.com/f44f23c5c is correct
[21:07] <lesshaste> the other one was from the wrong computer! :)
[21:07] <BUGabundo> shiii so much noise
[21:07] <BUGabundo> lesshaste: karmic?
[21:07] <lesshaste> BUGabundo, jaunty
[21:07] <BUGabundo> GPM is dead, so no hibernate/suspend from FUSA
[21:08] <BUGabundo> try $ sudo pm-hibernate
[21:08] <bcurtiswx> BUGabundo: this isn't a hibernate issue
[21:09] <bcurtiswx> lesshaste: my "hiddenmenu" option isn't commented out
[21:09] <bcurtiswx> yours is
[21:09] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:09] <BUGabundo> got it wrong
[21:10] <lesshaste> ok.. that can't matter can it?
[21:10] <bcurtiswx> i dont know
[21:14] <lesshaste> BUGabundo, he left!
[21:14] <BUGabundo> who did?
[21:14] <BUGabundo> ahh bcurtiswx
[21:14] <bcurtiswx> yes? i tested commenting out the hiddenmenu option
[21:15] <bcurtiswx> nothing diff
[21:17] <lesshaste> :(
[21:18] <bcurtiswx> BUGabundo: does the live CD load the grub?
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[21:19] <BUGabundo> load? or install ?
[21:19] <bcurtiswx> load
[21:19] <lesshaste> I feel we need to developer of shutdown :)
[21:19] <lesshaste> is that a kernel type person?
[21:20] <bcurtiswx> well, i would suggest trying the liveCD.. but i want to know if it loads a grub menu
[21:20] <bcurtiswx> i can't remember.. nor do i really think it needs to
[21:22] <BUGabundo> hey charl
[21:22] <BUGabundo> hey charlie-tca
[21:22] <charlie-tca> hello, BUGabundo
[21:22] <BUGabundo> lesshaste:  you could ask on #ubuntu-devel
[21:22] <charlie-tca> did the fresh karmic install here
[21:23] <charlie-tca> ext4 and grub2 included
[21:23] <charlie-tca> Now I just have to reinstall about everything I use
[21:24] <BUGabundo> that's so easy charlie-tca
[21:24] <charlie-tca> lol
[21:24] <BUGabundo> *if* you did $ dpkg -l
[21:24] <charlie-tca> Huh?
[21:24] <BUGabundo> $ dpkg -l > installed.txt
[21:24] <bcurtiswx> charlie-tca: is grub2 all that better?
[21:24] <charlie-tca> You mean there is a way?
[21:24] <lesshaste> BUGabundo, they never reply to anything there :()
[21:25] <BUGabundo> then you sed it and echo to apt
[21:25] <Nafallo> dpkg --clear-selection && dpkg --set-selection < package.list :-)
[21:25] <BUGabundo> lesshaste: some times they do
[21:25] <lesshaste> BUGabundo, maybe you could introduce me :)
[21:25] <charlie-tca> bcurtiswx: don't know. I wanted a clean installation to test karmic with
[21:25] <Nafallo> BUGabundo: dpkg --get-selection is more helpful surely :-)
[21:25] <bcurtiswx> whats supposed to be so great about grub2?
[21:25] <BUGabundo> never knew it
[21:25] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: LVM, faster, etc
[21:26] <charlie-tca> It is faster than the upgrade I did
[21:26] <bcurtiswx> ive always heard bad things about LVM
[21:26] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: you shouldn't
[21:27] <charlie-tca> I like the way it lists the kernels
[21:28] <bcurtiswx> didn't grub 1 do that?
[21:28] <charlie-tca> Not the same way. This is different, easier for me to read all of them
[21:29] <bcurtiswx> ah, ok
[21:30] <bcurtiswx> was the bootup faster?
[21:30] <charlie-tca> much
[21:30] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: all of them?? how many do you have?
[21:30] <charlie-tca> I would guess about half, even on this 64bit system. It's only a 2.2GHz
[21:30] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: we want bootcharts NOW
[21:30] <bcurtiswx> the only thing i didn't like about 64 bit was java and flash problems
[21:31] <bcurtiswx> i use java a lot
[21:31] <bcurtiswx> with yahoo games
[21:31] <charlie-tca> Seem to have about 8 9.04 kernels, 2 karmic, 6 8.10
[21:31] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I don't use java and flash hardly
[21:32] <charlie-tca> bootcharts? I don't even have bluefish reinstalled yet
[21:32] <bcurtiswx> lesshaste: im stumped on your bug
[21:32]  * BUGabundo hands charlie-tca janitor
[21:32] <lesshaste> I think we have almost solved it
[21:32] <charlie-tca> Probably be a day or two before I get everything working again
[21:32] <lesshaste> shutdown is using kexec I think
[21:32] <bcurtiswx> are you using kubuntu?
[21:33] <lesshaste> no
[21:33] <lesshaste> kexec is not related to kde
[21:33] <bcurtiswx> yeah itts a kernel program
[21:33] <bcurtiswx> and i couldve checked your bug report... lol
[21:46] <lesshaste> bcurtiswx, well..it's still not 100% sure
[21:52] <bcurtiswx> me either
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[23:11] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, pong (a bit delayed, I guess)
[23:12] <bcurtiswx> hggdh: nbd, just wondering how i test out that idle you said was better than what 2.27.3 has?
[23:12] <bcurtiswx> idk the exact url to us
[23:12] <bcurtiswx> e
[23:12] <hggdh> ok.
[23:13] <hggdh> seems a bit more complex than I would like, but let me get to what I found so far
[23:14] <hggdh> 1. you need to download the git trunks for (at least) empathy, telepathy-idle, and telepathy-glib
[23:14] <hggdh> the projects are all at http://git.collabora.co.uk/
[23:15] <hggdh> as you select one of the links, the new page will tell you what is the GIT URL to be used
[23:16] <hggdh> so, for example, the telepathy-glib git URL is git://git.collabora.co.uk/git/telepathy-glib.git
[23:16] <hggdh> 2. Now, open a terminal, and get somewhere where you can download the sources; under this directory, run: git clone git://git.collabora.co.uk/git/telepathy-glib.git
[23:17] <hggdh> (following the glib example)
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[23:17] <hggdh> this will clone (i.e., make an exact copy) of the GIT repository from Collabora.
[23:17] <hggdh> 3. repeat for the other sources
[23:18] <hggdh> now, go to the glib directory, and run ./autogen.sh && configure && make && sudo make install
[23:18] <hggdh> 4. repeat for the other directories
[23:20] <hggdh> this will install all new empathy/telepathy under /usr/local (so, without clobbering the current official binaries)
[23:20] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, did I overwhelm you already?
[23:20] <BUGabundo> dentichat
[23:21] <bcurtiswx> wow
[23:21] <bcurtiswx> then how do i use the new ones?
[23:23] <hggdh> this is what I did not like so far, but I did not have time this weekend to look into it (i.e., RTFM)
[23:23] <hggdh> when you run /usr/local/empathy (the new one), empathy still calls on the official telepathy modules off /usr/lib (and *not* /usr/local/)
[23:24] <bcurtiswx> hmmm
[23:27] <hggdh> a quick hack -- real quick, and emphasys on hack -- is to start /usr/local/libexec/telepathy-idle first: /usr/local/libexec/telepathy-idle &; /usr/local/bin/empathy &
[23:27] <hggdh> then you are good to go. Of course, RTFM should help, and I intend to read the docs soon
[23:28] <Ampelbein> bcurtiswx, hggdh: if it helps: https://edge.launchpad.net/~amoog/+archive/empathy-daily currently has empathy and telepathy-glib daily builds, telepathy-idle joins soon.
[23:28] <hggdh> Ampelbein, as usual, you are a big help :-)
[23:29] <hggdh> bcurtiswx, ^^ much easier to just install Ampelbein's packages...
[23:29] <Ampelbein> ;-)
[23:30] <Ampelbein> unfortunately the build queues are a bit long, so telepathy-idle will not be published soon
[23:32] <hggdh> part of the game, Ampelbein. I will probably use your packages, and keep on with the -idle git, since I want to look at some of the things it does (or does not, yet)
[23:32] <Ampelbein> hggdh: are you on i386?
[23:33] <Ampelbein> if so, i can provide you with telepathy-idle debs.
[23:34] <Ampelbein> hggdh: also, which other telepathy-* packages would be useful for a daily? I'm working on getting -farsight there already.
[23:41] <hggdh> Ampelbein, I run on AMD64... For the other telepathy packages, I am not sure, but Jabber, MSN, and Yahoo certainly will be useful. Personally, -idle is the important one if I am going to move.
[23:42] <hggdh> Ampelbein, BTW, congrats on you making it to MOTU :-)
[23:43] <Ampelbein> hggdh: thanks! I will have a look at the other telepathy libraries.
[23:51] <bcurtiswx> ampelbein... you're awesome
[23:51] <bcurtiswx> can you let me know when idle makes it in?
[23:52] <Ampelbein> bcurtiswx: in 3 hours, according to launchpad ;-) (https://edge.launchpad.net/~amoog/+archive/empathy-daily/+build/1097503)
[23:52] <bcurtiswx> sweet
[23:53] <bcurtiswx> bad link
[23:53] <bcurtiswx> oh
[23:53] <bcurtiswx> nvm
[23:53] <Ampelbein> bcurtiswx: strp the )
[23:53] <bcurtiswx> stupid )
[23:53] <Ampelbein> ;-)