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| * MacSlow -> lunch | 12:16 | |
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| macvr | MacSlow: thanx for clearing that up :) ... [didnt want to spam the lp] | 15:42 |
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| MacSlow | macvr, np... that's what we're here for too | 15:43 |
| MacSlow | "gardening" bug-reports is just such a tedious work, as most of the time people don't care looking for duplicates at all and just ram everything into lp no matter what | 15:44 |
| MacSlow | I usually have gardening-sprees every now and then | 15:45 |
| macvr | i'v been doing it for the papercuts ...! otherwise the real ones wont get noticed | 15:45 |
| MacSlow | macvr, yeah the papercuts... overall a good idea... but even that generated some amount of "spam" | 15:46 |
| macvr | oh my god ... is has so many rants , that when i invalidate one person has sent me personal mail! via the contact user link! | 15:47 |
| MacSlow | jono, hey... new to see you here :) | 15:48 |
| jono | hey MacSlow, I always join here :) | 15:49 |
| MacSlow | macvr, hehe... yeah ... sometimes I wish we had a "slap"-button on lp ;) | 15:49 |
| macvr | +1^ | 15:49 |
| macvr | MacSlow: the reason why i thought that notify-osd 'had to allow' this extra notification> i thought it had strict rules as to what uses the notify daemon... my bad! | 15:50 |
| MacSlow | macvr, oh no... every app can send notifications vis DBus using libnotify | 15:51 |
| macvr | only no formatting :( | 15:52 |
| MacSlow | yeah... please no text-layout system in notify-osd | 15:53 |
| macvr | djsiegel_: might wanna add this to a milestone > https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/392292 | 15:53 |
| djsiegel_ | macvr: so, we've collected a lot of great paper cuts since we made the first list of 100 | 15:54 |
| ScottK | Since several of you are involved in XDG stuff, I'm curious for your take on http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/06/saving-freedesktoporg-together.html | 15:54 |
| djsiegel_ | a lot of them are more "paper-cuty" that our first 100 | 15:54 |
| djsiegel_ | if you find ones that look very paper-cut-y, let me know and I can swap them in | 15:55 |
| macvr | djsiegel_: the above is a real misleading one | 15:55 |
| djsiegel_ | yeah | 15:55 |
| macvr | djsiegel_: so the 100 has been reached? | 15:56 |
| djsiegel_ | macvr: https://edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/karmic (tentative list) | 15:56 |
| djsiegel_ | some are too hard to be paper cuts, we will discover | 15:57 |
| djsiegel_ | so we will need to swap them with better confirmed paper cuts | 15:57 |
| macvr | djsiegel_: oh well... i can slow down on the pruning :) | 15:58 |
| djsiegel_ | no, don't! | 15:58 |
| djsiegel_ | :) | 15:58 |
| djsiegel_ | we need the pruning more than ever | 15:58 |
| macvr | will do as much as i can :) | 15:59 |
| macvr | I'll notify you of any interesting finds, which could be swaped for the invalids in Karmic | 16:00 |
| djsiegel_ | macvr: ok, I scheduled the tooltip one you just pointed out in this week | 16:13 |
| macvr | :) | 16:31 |
| SiDi | MacSlow: has there been any change in the font size in notify-osd ? | 16:34 |
| SiDi | it looks _really_ little with the bzr trunk branch | 16:34 |
| MacSlow | I've implemented exactely what the design folks wanted now | 16:35 |
| SiDi | ah | 16:37 |
| SiDi | well the design folks should discuss with the accessibility ones, because im 20, my eyes aint bad, and i have trouble reading them :p | 16:38 |
| SiDi | i'll report a bug :) | 16:39 |
| tgpraveen | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dx-karmic-notify-osd/ i wanted to discuss about this blueprint specifically the section about consistent feedback for multimedia keys | 17:04 |
| tgpraveen | does this mean that each time i press play, forward, etc a notification saying play, forward will appear? | 17:04 |
| tgpraveen | if so then it will be useless and the correct way would be that banshee upon clicking play puts a notification of the song being played <--- and this is a bug on banshee bugzilla which is being/has been fixed and now if we give notification for play key. then each time i hit play there will be two notifications one for play key and one from banshee | 17:06 |
| tgpraveen | am i wrong in interpreting this blueprint? | 17:06 |
| SiDi | tgpraveen: i think it should be app-side too | 17:10 |
| tgpraveen | SiDi: yes. are you in ayatana team/ | 17:21 |
| tgpraveen | ? | 17:21 |
| macvr | tgpraveen: SiDi manages a lot more ;p | 17:23 |
| SiDi | tgpraveen: i'm in ayatana discussion ML but i'm not working for Canonical | 17:23 |
| macvr | he is everywhere , omnipresent | 17:23 |
| SiDi | macvr: c'mon.. never more than ten channels | 17:23 |
| macvr | SiDi: well... ten is a lot ;p | 17:24 |
| tgpraveen | oh ok cool | 17:25 |
| tgpraveen | should i mail this to the mailing list? | 17:25 |
| macvr | tgpraveen: you can | 17:26 |
| tgpraveen | do i have to join the mailing list to send a mail? also what is the link to join if i have to | 17:32 |
| tgpraveen | ? | 17:32 |
| macvr | tgpraveen: the subscribe link is here > https://launchpad.net/~ayatana | 17:39 |
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| djsiegel | danrabbit: I think the open icon is a bit confusing | 20:27 |
| danrabbit | please elaborate :p | 20:27 |
| djsiegel | danrabbit: maybe something that looks more like the regular folder icon, but sort of being peeled open? | 20:28 |
| djsiegel | like the front-right corner is being pulled forward and left, and there is a document in the folder | 20:28 |
| djsiegel | maybe the document is coming up, out of the folder | 20:28 |
| danrabbit | I was trying to get away from the document thing... but I'll play with it | 20:29 |
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| djsiegel | danrabbit: did you revert the trash icon? | 20:30 |
| danrabbit | to the original? | 20:31 |
| danrabbit | from Human? | 20:31 |
| danrabbit | no... | 20:31 |
| djsiegel | I thought you changed it to a more recycle bin type thing | 20:31 |
| djsiegel | danrabbit: the desktop icon is great | 20:32 |
| djsiegel | what about stylizing the panel icons, any more thoughts on that? | 20:32 |
| danrabbit | Well, the big problem is this: | 20:35 |
| danrabbit | USers | 20:35 |
| danrabbit | :D | 20:35 |
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| danrabbit | If i knew for a fact that the panel was going to be one color and one color only or at least within a certain range of colors then it would be easy | 20:36 |
| danrabbit | for example: we could do some color monochrome stuff like Leopard | 20:36 |
| danrabbit | or make the icons look etched into the panel | 20:36 |
| danrabbit | but, as soon as the user changes the color of the panel | 20:36 |
| danrabbit | :( | 20:36 |
| GreySim | Depending on what you're talking about, there may also be the issue of people deleting one or both panels, or otherwise rearranging them. | 20:38 |
| djsiegel | danrabbit: please dont worry about panels changing color | 20:40 |
| danrabbit | Are you sure? | 20:40 |
| macvr | danrabbit: just out of curiosity... what icon set were you guys talking about? | 21:18 |
| danrabbit | Humanity | 21:18 |
| djsiegel | DBO, macvr, what do you think of this one: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/393606 | 21:18 |
| * macvr checks | 21:19 | |
| DBO | Install Applications... is not exactly accurate either | 21:19 |
| DBO | Manage Packages... is more accurate but much less friendly... | 21:20 |
| djsiegel | yeah, I am thinking of really novice users | 21:20 |
| djsiegel | we can't teach them what a package is... | 21:20 |
| DBO | right | 21:20 |
| djsiegel | they are looking for "programs" and "applications" | 21:20 |
| djsiegel | or maybe "apps" and even "widgets" | 21:20 |
| DBO | I think programs is a better word than applications | 21:20 |
| djsiegel | but the menu is "Applications" | 21:21 |
| DBO | Ah true | 21:21 |
| djsiegel | that could look like a glaring error | 21:21 |
| djsiegel | even though you could be right | 21:21 |
| DBO | the menu should be Programs =P | 21:21 |
| djsiegel | :) | 21:21 |
| DBO | seriously, Programs is a much more specific word than Applications | 21:21 |
| macvr | djsiegel: Maybe > "Add/ Remove Applications " | 21:21 |
| DBO | thats too long | 21:22 |
| macvr | ah! | 21:22 |
| DBO | it will stretch the menu | 21:22 |
| danrabbit | Manage Apps | 21:22 |
| djsiegel | yeah, I just don't know if users actually remove apps | 21:22 |
| DBO | admittedly i18n will throw a kink in that anyhow | 21:22 |
| macvr | +1 | 21:22 |
| djsiegel | Browse applications... | 21:22 |
| djsiegel | that's very web 2.0 | 21:22 |
| djsiegel | very AppStore :) | 21:22 |
| DBO | thats a good way to put it | 21:23 |
| macvr | i like danrabbit's Manage Apps | 21:23 |
| DBO | Manage is a bad word | 21:23 |
| djsiegel | "Manage" makes me think i am only dealing with installed apps | 21:23 |
| GreySim | Sounds too much like work. | 21:23 |
| DBO | it implies some kind of administrative functionality beyond a simple installation | 21:23 |
| danrabbit | Yea, now that I think about it I don't like Manage either | 21:23 |
| djsiegel | like moving them around | 21:23 |
| GreySim | I do use that tool to remove apps. | 21:24 |
| danrabbit | me too | 21:25 |
| DBO | im not sure its good but "Find Applications..." or "Search Applications..." | 21:25 |
| djsiegel | Find might work | 21:25 |
| * GreySim never uses Synaptic. Add/Remove for browsing upon a fresh installation, then apt-get directly for specific needs. | 21:25 | |
| GreySim | Then Add/Remove again for stuff I was just trying, but didn't like, so now want to remove. | 21:26 |
| DBO | GreySim, thats because you know terminal | 21:26 |
| djsiegel | I love how half of this channel is from gnome-do | 21:26 |
| DBO | i think "Find Applications..." or "Browse Applications..." work best in this situation | 21:26 |
| DBO | Add/Remove is very windows control panel | 21:26 |
| GreySim | DBO: Right, I'm just saying, I'm theoretically a "power user", but I do use and like the Add/Remove tool. I'm not sure if I was really trying to make a point otherwise though... | 21:27 |
| DBO | and if you think back to that you end up remembering that only dealt with already installed apps | 21:27 |
| djsiegel | also, you have to install apps before you remove them | 21:28 |
| danrabbit | djsiegel: oh this isn't #gnome-do? | 21:28 |
| * danrabbit looks at the tab... | 21:28 | |
| djsiegel | you would learn that apps can be removed after looking through the app the first time | 21:28 |
| djsiegel | hopefully... | 21:28 |
| macvr | " App Janitor" :P | 21:28 |
| danrabbit | lol | 21:28 |
| djsiegel | macvr: that makes me think of urinal cakes | 21:28 |
| DBO | djsiegel, I think you would get that, the checkboxes make it pretty clear | 21:28 |
| danrabbit | Get Apps | 21:29 |
| djsiegel | I think checkboxes are really great for plugins (in Do), but it's kind of weird in Add/Remove | 21:29 |
| DBO | of course there are about 100 design issues inside the add remove thingie | 21:29 |
| djsiegel | it's like a watered down synaptic | 21:29 |
| djsiegel | then you "apply" the change of adding a new app? | 21:29 |
| djsiegel | weird | 21:29 |
| DBO | "Canonical-maintained Applications" -- why the fuck is Canonical? | 21:29 |
| danrabbit | yea, it is weird.. | 21:29 |
| djsiegel | mpt: hurry up on that AppBrowser thingy | 21:29 |
| DBO | and there should be an Install button or a remove button if its already installed | 21:30 |
| djsiegel | yeah | 21:30 |
| macvr | " +/- Applications " with a tooltip? | 21:30 |
| djsiegel | no | 21:30 |
| macvr | AH! | 21:30 |
| djsiegel | no 'syntax' | 21:30 |
| macvr | i'm really on a bad roll! | 21:30 |
| djsiegel | That's one thing I dislike about "Add/Remove" -- it's like a regex with that '/' | 21:31 |
| djsiegel | mpt: we could really benefit from your thoughts on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/393606 | 21:31 |
| DBO | well the problem is the / is replacing what should be a UI element but doing so with text | 21:31 |
| DBO | I've always hated that when you see foo/bar | 21:31 |
| DBO | or my favorite [foo|bar] | 21:32 |
| danrabbit | CLiCK HeRe To iNSTaLL L33T PRoGRaM$ !!!11!! | 21:33 |
| macvr | "Manage applications" or "App manager" | 21:33 |
| danrabbit | That's what I said | 21:33 |
| djsiegel | danrabbit: the preferences icon is a bit squat, it looks like it sits 4-5px below the system monitor icon, for example | 21:33 |
| macvr | oops! | 21:34 |
| DBO | djsiegel, one more that bugs me about the add/remove manager... the popularity stars are easily mistaken for quality... | 21:34 |
| djsiegel | if you guys think of good suggestions, add them to the bug descriptions | 21:34 |
| danrabbit | djsiegel, It's vertically centered | 21:34 |
| djsiegel | danrabbit: yes, I know | 21:34 |
| danrabbit | It's looks funny taller, like the Do icon. | 21:35 |
| danrabbit | I was thinking of scraping it for just the tools | 21:35 |
| * macvr thinks he is in the wrong room, checks again to make sure this isnt Gnome DO | 21:36 | |
| GreySim | I think someone already suggested this, or similar, but, "Application Browser" | 21:36 |
| GreySim | Except that doesn't imply installing. So nevermind. | 21:36 |
| macvr | djsiegel: "App Administrator" | 21:37 |
| macvr | no i take it back!" | 21:37 |
| * macvr needs to get some rest! | 21:38 | |
| GreySim | Make it two entries, possibly using the same tool in two different modes or something. "Get more applications" and "Remove applications". | 21:39 |
| gus_ | did anyone took a look at this http://spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/xfce4-notifyd ? | 21:47 |
| macvr | gus_: seem to be still in v0.1 since nov 08! | 21:48 |
| macvr | seems^ | 21:48 |
| gus_ | well i dont trust that much in version numbers :P | 21:49 |
| macvr | not being updated is kinda , the devs cant dedicate more time on it | 21:50 |
| gus_ | yeah, it seems xfce has few devels and thing go slow, but well..... | 21:54 |
| kallepersson | danrabbit: ping | 22:00 |
| djsiegel | kallepersson danrabbit kwwii: ok, we're here | 22:00 |
| danrabbit | kallepersson: :D | 22:00 |
| kallepersson | danrabbit: what's up? | 22:00 |
| danrabbit | no much, you? | 22:01 |
| kallepersson | just had a chat with djsiegel | 22:01 |
| kallepersson | I'd like to help out | 22:01 |
| danrabbit | sweet | 22:01 |
| kallepersson | danrabbit: I checked out the icon theme. What is the reason for the extension having text in icons? | 22:03 |
| danrabbit | in Mimes? | 22:04 |
| kallepersson | I mean, it's good info for us nerds (when we don't check the file name), but regular people just don't (shouldn't) care | 22:05 |
| kallepersson | (*shouldn't need to) | 22:05 |
| kallepersson | yes, mime | 22:05 |
| danrabbit | I can see the logic behind that | 22:05 |
| kallepersson | I like the difference between binary, regular text and code documents though. GNOME-Icon-Theme doesn't do that | 22:05 |
| danrabbit | I think the one's that I did like that were mostly programming languages and that | 22:07 |
| danrabbit | I did it for DO | 22:07 |
| kallepersson | aha, Isee | 22:07 |
| danrabbit | want to join this team: https://launchpad.net/~elementaryicons | 22:08 |
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| SiDi | gus_: i dont think xfnotifyd is a big priority for them :) but the panel / file manager progress very very fast ;) | 22:26 |
| gus_ | SiDi, you might be right, as is it now it has some features that notify-osd dosent even have, like placing notifications in different positions, and lack other but it's just 3k lines of code | 22:27 |
| macvr | djsiegel: wasnt there talk of merging all the different locations where a user installs programs?[Add/remove , Synaptic ] , I think mpt 's App centre idea is for that... so then removing the Add/remove is better , right? | 22:33 |
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| djsiegel | yes, that's mpt's domain, but it's not going into Karmic as far as I know | 22:33 |
| macvr | djsiegel: you might wanna check , he was quite sure App centre is going to be in Karmic | 22:34 |
| djsiegel | oh, ok | 22:34 |
| djsiegel | it was discussed at UDS, you're right | 22:34 |
| djsiegel | macvr: you should blog about your hundredpapercuts strategy to get more people helping | 23:46 |
| djsiegel | macvr: we are running low on confirmed paper cuts | 23:46 |
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