[00:05] nixternal: Currently the differences in the desktop/netbook seeds are extremely minimal. My effort so has been focused on getting the infrastructure bits in place for a second Kubuntu flavor. [00:05] anyone know what valid characters are in *nix usernames? [00:05] groovy, my netbook should be here this week so we will get to hacking on that.... [00:05] I can't find anything definitive and so far only found conflicting info [00:07] nixternal: do you know about installing docs with cmake? I did kde4_create_handbook and then install index.docbook and index.cache.bz2 to ${HTML_INSTALL_DIR}/en/userconfig but i'm not sure if that's right, seems like there should be a macro [00:07] nixternal: The next big step for netbook is Tonio's default settings. He's promised it soon. [00:07] there is a macro but that is called by the master cmake file [00:08] I need to head out, so I will chat with you later on it if you don't get it before then [00:29] Riddell: ah, right. [00:29] hmm.. is there an easy way to query svn logs without having to use a commandline tool? === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander [02:14] ScottK: whats the status of bug #384615. The archive admins are not subscribed. although there is an ack? [02:14] Launchpad bug 384615 in jaunty-backports "Please backport ksshaskpass (0.5.1-1) from karmic to jaunty" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/384615 [02:48] yuriy: user name validation? like valid character? I imagine it just uses whatever d-i does [03:48] neversfelde: Fixed. Sorry about that. [05:25] Riddell: kdevplatform and kdevelop https://edge.launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/staging === santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve === \sh_ is now known as \sh [09:33] Riddell: I am wondering if digikam should be just moved to universe, due to more and more dependancies... [09:34] Riddell: not sure what is the benefit of having it in main, since we will probably never have it on cd by default, as gwenview is much better for general public anyhow [09:35] agateau: ping [09:36] tseliot: pong [09:36] agateau: will notify-osd-kde be ready for karmic? [09:37] tseliot: there will probably be something a bit different [09:37] tseliot: we are working at making KDE use the Galago spec [09:37] so that notifications are shared between GNOME and KDE [09:37] yes, that's why I was asking [09:38] and there will be some Plasma patches to provide a more notify-osd-like experience for action-less notifications [09:38] I want to get this done for karmic [09:39] agateau: ok, great. Thanks === sonicmctails is now known as mcasadvall [10:38] Hrm, anyone know why ubuntu picks up the iphones photo folder by default and kubuntu doesnt? [10:48] <\sh> lifeless: /window 10 [10:48] <\sh> grmpf [10:49] \sh: :D [10:49] <\sh> the heat the heat [10:50] \sh: right... :P [10:51] <\sh> cpu overheating no real functionality anymore..please drink more water and eat more ice ;) === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [12:27] kwwii: ready for tonight? [12:29] Lure: what's needed for digikam? just liblpr or something else too? [12:40] <[ifr0g]> Any Idea how can i access this channel over the web. cause i wont be at home during KTD [12:40] <[ifr0g]> Port 80 that is. [12:45] you'd need to tunnel somehow to your own server [12:49] Riddell: currently that is it, but we have at least one MIR per cycle, and some are hard (currently we still do not have red eye removal in kipi-plugins due to opencv staying in universe) [12:50] Riddell: isnt' there a plan to reduce the need for main for kubuntu, similar to xubuntu and edubuntu? [12:50] there's archive re-org where we'll have packages which are designated as kubuntu packages [12:50] I expect they'll still need a MIR though [12:51] Riddell: because of official Canonical support? is MIR there for Canonical or for general Ubuntu community [12:51] Riddell: don't get me wrong - I like MIR in general as it helps upstream to improve, but the question is if we should drop features just because of it [12:52] it's for the security and support teams [13:01] [ifr0g]: freenode has a webchat thingy [13:03] [ifr0g]: ie. http://webchat.freenode.net/ [13:04] really? [13:04] lex79: goodbye to kdevelop 3 then? === lex79 is now known as lex === lex is now known as lex79 [13:04] yes :) [13:05] lex79: recon upstream are happy with that? [13:05] do we know if they expect to release for karmic? [13:05] dunno Riddell [13:06] Riddell: we already said goodbye to kdevelop 3 last beta :P [13:06] lex79: saw you did some kdepim packaging. maybe you can find out why ktimetracker_plugin.desktop from kontact/plugins/ does not get installed. [13:06] JontheEchidna: true :) [13:07] lex79: (or even built) [13:07] so we did [13:08] freeflying: ok, I will see or JontheEchidna can see :P [13:09] * freinhard should rename himself to fr1einhard [13:10] ops :) [13:10] lex79: kdevelop uploaded, thanks for that [13:10] you're welcome [13:10] JontheEchidna: new qtcurve upstream release lol [13:11] release fast, release often^^ [13:12] too fast [13:22] <[ifroog]> Thanks I like this webchat ! [13:24] <[ifr0g]> :o [13:26] <[ifr0g]> Does not work on my mobile =( [13:27] does someone want to work on this really easy papercut? bug 389747 [13:28] Launchpad bug 389747 in hundredpapercuts "In default KDE panel use Show Desktop instead of Show Dashboard widget" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/389747 [13:28] i guess it is just changing the panel and committing it [13:41] seele: hmm, maybe I'll use that in my tutorial this evening [13:41] Riddell: good i'll assign it to you :) [13:49] yeah, show desktop is way better [13:49] would be cool to be able to set up show desktop to reveal your desktop when hovering over it [13:49] so you can see images, time and other plasmoids... [13:49] like you hover over the task manager and see that window.. [13:50] i might write that on the kde forums [13:51] would be really neat to preview desktop without clicking anything or pressing any key [13:55] Riddell: I am as ready as I will ever be [13:55] excellent :) [13:58] * Riddell moves arora to main and sets it as default [14:00] Riddell: Did you seed it for netbook too? [14:00] ScottK: no, can do if that's what we want [14:00] Riddell: It is. [14:01] ScottK: do we want konqueror on netbook then? [14:01] there's no precedent to get in the way there [14:01] Riddell: I think it doesn't hurt to leave it (for now) as we aren't space constrained to CD size. [14:01] Riddell: yey, arora ftw! [14:02] 2 browsers only confuse people [14:02] and i can't take konqueror seriously anymore [14:02] * DreadKnight uses google docs all the time. [14:03] Probably. I use it a lot myself though. [14:03] konqueror has no place in kde since dolphin was included [14:03] * ScottK is not a Dolphin fan [14:03] dolphin is one of the best file managers and best kde apps [14:04] konqueror is bloatware now, doing a lot of things and doing them all badly [14:05] DreadKnight: no, it does do a lot of things well... [14:05] for papercut, making the video players worthy would be nice.. i wonder why i can't use left click to scroll around... [14:05] seele: I have a usability thought I'd like to discuss with you when you have a moment. [14:05] jussi01: it doesn't shows most websites properly, as firefox does, so it's crap for me and damn annoying for non geeks like my parents [14:07] kde needs a nice and simple to use web browser, not a crappy swiss-army knife tool [14:07] That's why we're giving Arora a shot. [14:07] oh well, enough about that; am i the only one who is not able to scroll videos in most kde players using left click? [14:07] agreed with DreadKnight [14:08] ScottK : arora also r0x [14:08] it's like this for me for ages.. [14:08] dragon player crap, kaffeine... even vlc maybe [14:08] i click to a location and it doesn't jumps there [14:08] i don't want to drag that 'slider' over to that location [14:09] and on tablet pc stylus i don't have middle click to do that === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [14:09] I am one of those users who cannot use other browsers than Konqueror, just because it is more than just simple === rdieter is now known as rdieter_ [14:09] DreadKnight: unless you bind it some way and/or have smart stylus [14:09] Tm_T: sudo apt-get install konqueror then mr. geek [14:10] DreadKnight: won't do that, I use "makekde" (: [14:10] xD [14:10] and no, I'm not geek, sowwy [14:10] you're even more of a geek than I anticipated it seems [14:10] :D [14:11] I'm fearless, did commit to kdebase (: [14:11] a huge one it was indeed, erm [14:11] * JontheEchidna is still too scared to do much more than krazy commits, small fixes, or fixes to his own code [14:12] JontheEchidna: well, I changed one 3 back to 2 as it was [14:12] just to stop "malloc: using debugging hooks" flood in my Konsole [14:13] DreadKnight: Kaffeine is default again in Karmic [14:13] should have changed the string to malloc: can haz debugging hooks [14:14] JontheEchidna: aye, but that would have been in glibc then [14:14] ScottK; i'm on karmic, i know [14:15] or so I convinced myself with some help [14:15] even more reason >:3 [14:15] OK [14:15] but all the kde players suck because of a bug it seems [14:15] no proper basic scrolling fuctionality [14:15] by using left click [14:15] DreadKnight: with which engine and what source? [14:16] default :P [14:16] xine, gstreamer, or even mplayer? [14:16] I have no idea about your defaults (;) [14:16] meh [14:17] i only have xine backend in multimedia configurations [14:17] for example, xine with some frontends and with some sources (files, stream) works [14:18] ScottK: pong [14:20] seele: One thing I've been thinking about recently that I really miss is that in the old mozilla suite (now seamonkey I guess) there was zero border between the scroll bar and the edge of the window so if you had the app maximized or on the right edge of the screen you could just slam your mouse over without having to target it and scroll. [14:20] I'm curious what you think about that conceptually as a general usability improvement over the way things are typically done. [14:20] ScottK: we do that in the default oxygen theme in kde? [14:21] seele: Sure enough. I never even checked. [14:21] i would like to see kickoff fixed so the back button in the menu is on the edge. i almost made it a papercut but thought maybe that is out of scope [14:22] I think that's a good idea. [14:22] i dont know who would be able to code it unless i went upstream [14:22] I switched back to the classic kickoff style because I find the new one hard to navigate. [14:22] I think upstream is the right place for that one. [14:22] i just use krunner :) [14:23] ;-) [14:23] well, i've had problems with kickoff in upstream, we disagree on some ui details [14:23] lancelot FTW! [14:23] :D [14:23] i think they still have weird indents and details on hover [14:25] I like that the classic one is sorted on app name, not the functional name. I'm a lot better at remembering I want Kate than Advanced Text Editor. [14:35] anyone using Air? [14:36] sure [14:36] neversfelde: you compiled it from svn? [14:36] no [14:36] * Quintasan cant get widgets to use Air [14:37] my panel is using Air but widgets still use Elegance [14:37] :/ [14:38] Quintasan: cd ~/.kde/share/apps/desktoptheme/ && svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdebase/runtime/desktoptheme/air [14:38] should do it [14:38] at least it worked for me [14:42] how do I reset my sound device? [14:44] neversfelde: the one there it's looking like oxygen for me since a few days / revissions back [14:46] DreadKnight: I do not know, tried it a couple of weeks ago [14:47] :\ [14:47] i wonder when i'll just have air by default then.. the one from kde-look doesn't installs [14:48] http://pastebin.ca/1478362 <---what am i missing?? [14:49] air is default in rc [14:53] hi, is it a known bug that there is no way to add a printer in KDE 4.2.90? [14:53] the system-config-printer-kde package doesn't have any binaries in it [15:01] flacoste: it shouldn't, it's python. and a KCM at that [15:01] yuriy: well, it doesn't contain any python either, only stuff under /usr/share/doc [15:02] flacoste: what version? [15:04] Riddell: 4:4.2.90-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1, coming from the jaunty KDE update PPA [15:04] or backports [15:04] probably backports [15:07] flacoste: you're right [15:07] Riddell: i should report a bug then i guess [15:08] flacoste: can do although it's in karmic [15:08] not sure what's different about the jaunty version but we'll look out for it in RC 1 due out on wednesday [15:09] Riddell: ah, right, you mean that's a problem related to the backports package, and bugs for those aren't tracked in LP? [15:09] flacoste: right, best tracked on IRC :) [15:18] what do i need for spellchecking in 4.2.90? empty list in systemsettings, nothing to add. [15:19] flacoste: language-support-fr ? [15:24] Riddell: hunspell-de-*, openoffice-hypthenation/thesaurus-de, wngerman installed but no language-support- stuff, (no need for openoffice, evolution and gimp) [15:26] Riddell: what about language-support-fr? [15:26] Riddell: i do have it installed [15:27] flacoste: bad tab completion between you and freinhard [15:28] ok [15:29] rc packages coming? [15:29] refic: wednesday [15:29] right [15:29] refic: theyve been tagged ( or should have been tagged ) :P [15:30] good, thanks :) [15:30] no problem.. [15:33] btw the " highlight window " effect reminds me a bit of aeropeek (in win 7) :P [17:35] /win 61 [17:35] hmm, no [17:39] Anyone here willing to rescore a PPA build? [17:39] This one https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-389-directory-server/+archive/ppa/+build/1097734 and related were affected by a certificates bug that has since been fixed, but it'll be many hourse before it rebuilds [17:53] * shadeslayer wonders if the tutorial started... [17:54] Another 10 minutes by my reckoning [17:54] * Bugsbane looks at watch [17:57] 10min?? more like 2 hours... [17:58] * shadeslayer looks at the clock on the taskbar... [17:59] Ugh. Just rechecked. You're right. :( [17:59] Good link to check it wherever you are: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=19&min=0&sec=0 [18:00] (that's the start time) [18:00] Bugsbane: Tue 12:30 AM [18:00] New Delhi :) [18:00] lol [18:00] 3pm... Toronto. :) [18:01] :) [18:01] 21:00 Hungary:) [18:01] anyone who is actually using UTC ? [18:01] or is in that time zone [18:02] OK, I think we need a competition for the person staying up to the most insane time to be at these training sessions... [18:02] ulysses@loris:~$ date -u [18:02] 2009. jún. 29., hétfő, 17.01.58 UTC [18:02] They use UTC at Greenwhich in England [18:02] UTC = GMT [18:04] gmt is only use in winter in the uk [18:06] dang its soo hot here.... 44oC [18:16] brb [18:18] by default, is the GRUB menu hidden when Ubuntu is the only installed OS? [18:18] i think I changed my options so I dont remember what is default [18:18] yes, it's hidden [18:18] ulysses__: ok thanks [18:25] * ScottK hints to hsitter to answer the translations messages on kubuntu-devel ML with some good information. [18:32] Anyone here willing to rescore a PPA build? This one https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-389-directory-server/+archive/ppa/+build/1097734 and related were affected by bug 392104 , but it will be many hours before the build is retried with a score of 0! [18:32] Launchpad bug 392104 in ca-certificates-java "[Karmic] Update to ca-certificates 20090624 prevents ca-certificates-java from installing" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/392104 [18:34] ScottK: we can track template moves via svn logs [18:34] kb9vqf_: I think the only buildd admins who hang around here are ncommander and hobbsee, both of whom aren't here just now [18:34] hsitter: Can you please help get them on track and show them how. At least we're getting some sign they care now. [18:34] * hsitter could implement that whole thing :P [18:34] but no way I am going to do that in python *shudder* [18:35] Python is love. [18:35] python is a mess :P [18:35] Riddell: thanks; I'll try again later [18:36] Riddell: While you're here, would you please mark the ayatana integration spec approved. [18:36] ScottK: that is right on my todo list below "prepare tutorial" [18:36] I've been a bit crappy about it sorry [18:37] Riddell: OK. Thanks. It's not blocking work. [18:38] hsitter: I added blank docs to userconfig as you said, but i'm not sure if i'm installing them right [18:41] yuriy: blank is not what they should be [18:41] they should be stating that there are no docs at the very least [18:41] well, with a message about how there aren't any [18:41] okies [18:41] i call that blank :P [18:42] yuriy: well, just click the help button in the kcm window [18:42] then you know if you installed them right ;-) [18:42] With a sound notification of an evil laugh. [18:43] hsitter: well that works but i'm still not sure, because "en" is hardcoded and all other docs have a "common" dir [18:43] ScottK: if only kde would use svn mv [18:44] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n-kde4/templates/messages/kdelibs/katepart4.pot?view=log&log_pagestart=200 [18:44] yuriy: that is way to confusing for me [18:44] go use cmake :P [18:44] i am. i'm basically asking if there's a macro for this that i'm not finding [18:44] yes, there is :P [18:45] hsitter: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/guidance/userconfig-kde4/annotate/head:/CMakeLists.txt [18:45] yuriy: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/CMake/Addons_for_KDE === IndigoJo is now known as IndigoJo_ [18:45] i read that === IndigoJo_ is now known as IndigoJo [18:46] hm hm [18:47] ScottK: I can't even find an example for move, other than KDE 4 startup ;-) [18:47] Do we have the KDE 3 -> 4 moves right yet? [18:47] * hsitter also finds it rather unlikely that stuff gets renamed one way or another [18:48] * ScottK thinks all we can do is answer their questions and then bitch again when it still doesn't work. [18:48] ScottK: no, that is what arne is talking about towards the end of his mail [18:48] Oh. [18:48] we just need a list of all kde domains so we can tell them which ones to kick [18:48] * ScottK is stuggling mightily to remain completely ignorant about translations. [18:53] hmmmm [18:53] ScottK: in fact it is very well possible that KDE does not care at all and just change translation domains [18:53] I am quite sure that the script responsible for pot/po updates is also capable of removing stuff for which there is no need anymore and add new files for new translation domains [18:56] the channel is getting busyer.. [18:57] as the ruby tutorial comes closer! [18:57] ruby ruby ruby! [18:57] oh my gosh 137 people [18:57] ruby?? i thought it was introduction day [18:57] 138 [18:57] seele: 139 [18:57] shadeslayer: there's talks/tutorials on a range of topics === d_ed is now known as david_edmundson [18:58] Riddell: of course...but isnt today intro day? [18:59] shadeslayer: yes, nothing too hard [18:59] intro to kubuntu in an hour with rgreening [18:59] ruby after that, in two hours [18:59] * rgreening scrambles his notes together [19:00] ah.. [19:00] * shadeslayer has all night to study :) [19:00] ~twitter update Kubuntu Tutorials Day takes off in an hour with "The next six months with Kubuntu" in #kubuntu-devel https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay [19:00] your status message is longer than 140 characters, which is not optimal, but I'm going to update anyway [19:00] status updated [19:01] uh, it said 2000 UTC for ruby [19:01] uh oh, I might just have broken twitter [19:01] haha... [19:01] it's currently 18:00UTC [19:01] isn't that now? [19:01] date -u knows all [19:01] I thought UTC = GMT [19:01] summer time makes things far too confusing. [19:01] lol [19:02] IndigoJo: not always [19:02] UTC takes DST into effect [19:02] GMT does not [19:02] Riddell: we should deploy with UTC set as alternate timezone for the panel clock [19:02] that way people can scroll the clock rather than run date -u ;-) [19:02] * ScottK can subtact 4 in his head just fine. [19:03] subtract even [19:03] we can catch all people that are too early and send them writing kubuntu-docs :D [19:03] @now [19:03] Current time in Etc/UTC: June 29 2009, 18:03:42 [19:03] hsitter: utc already exists in the time zone list :-) [19:03] easy :D [19:03] so where is UTC's meridian? [19:03] david_edmundson: but it is not selected, is it? [19:04] IndigoJo: and who's in it? [19:04] ScottK: KDE got all sorts of fancy files to track template changes [19:05] ScottK: once I have understood them, it should be pretty easy to put them to kubuntu use [19:05] Cool [19:10] will they be teaching us ruby from scratch? [19:12] are we there yet? [19:12] shadeslayer: the topics are here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay [19:13] IndigoJo: i know the topics... [19:14] i just wanted to know whether from scratch...like in C++ cout<<"Hello World" :P [19:17] what time is it? [19:18] Depends on your location [19:18] 18:18 [19:18] is this the right place for the tuts [19:18] @now [19:18] in konsole: date -u [19:18] it is the UTC time [19:18] ugh!!.. [19:18] @now [19:18] I was kinda wondering about the tuts myself [19:18] ulysses__: nice tip [19:19] CarrotNL: i guess that command is for people registered with ubottu (i.e ops) [19:21] kubotu: script add now m.reply Time.now [19:21] aight [19:21] kubotu: now [19:21] Mon Jun 29 21:21:52 +0300 2009 [19:22] anyone up for ruby? ;-) [19:22] kubotu: script add -f now m.reply Time.now.utc [19:22] lemme take care of that for you [19:22] kubotu: now [19:22] Mon Jun 29 18:22:19 UTC 2009 [19:22] hsitter: im learning :P [19:22] there we go [19:22] hsitter: from here : http://tryruby.hobix.com/ [19:22] kubotu: search ruby class time [19:22] Results for ruby class time: 1. Class: Time: http://www.ruby-doc.org/core/classes/Time.html | 2. Ruby Time Class: Ruby Study Notes - Best Ruby Guide, Ruby Tutorial: http://rubylearning.com/satishtalim/ruby_time_class.html | 3. LA's Blog: Ruby class method extensions: http://lastattacker.blogspot.com/2009/03/ruby-class-method-extensions.html [19:22] for reference ;-) === hsitter is now known as apachelogger [19:25] gowi [19:26] kiberlynx, YoyoKirby: yes it's the right place, starting in half an house [19:26] huh? [19:26] kiberlynx, YoyoKirby: yes it's the right place, starting in half an hour [19:26] * apachelogger giggles [19:27] ok tks [19:27] apachelogger: Just hit us with everything now, Shadeslayer and I ought to be ready to take over from you for the second half hour, right? :-P [19:27] mzaugg: haha... [19:28] * shadeslayer wonders if theres a information transfer machine theyre hiding [19:29] In that case, let me get my thanks in ahead of time and I'll just try to get ready to cram everything into this little tiny brain of mine... [19:29] class CName;def initialize;puts "hullos";end;end; CName.new; [19:29] all you need to know ;-) [19:29] :) [19:31] * Dhraakellian pokes his head in, despite not being on Kubuntu anymore [19:31] that can always be fixed :) [19:32] date -u +%T [19:33] kubotu: now [19:33] Mon Jun 29 18:33:01 UTC 2009 [19:33] Dhraakellian: ayyyyyy [19:33] kubotu: topic learn [19:33] lemme take care of that for you [19:33] kubotu: save [19:33] okies! === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay Monday 19:00UTC [19:34] ugh [19:34] Karmic is screentearing horribly with compositing [19:35] Daskreech: kamic is not supported and will surely break :PO [19:35] *:P [19:35] *karmic === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [19:35] I know but this is a n ATI 7800 card you would think that it would get better not worse [19:36] hehe [19:36] maybe when it goes stable, you could expect it to be stable lol [19:36] hahaha [19:37] ok what's the opendesktop thing on the desktop? [19:37] should i Sign up? What does it do for me what does it add to the community? [19:38] they're still working that out [19:38] so far you can find people near you [19:39] but see the competition on dot.kde.org for getting more ideas in [19:39] Siii should I sign up or is still a party in experiment? [19:39] That account doesn't really let me do anything else or help anyone else? [19:40] Daskreech: it's a kde-looks/apps... account [19:40] Ah === Wonko__ is now known as Wonko_ [19:40] So no then :-D [19:40] Hmm can GHNS make use of this? [19:40] * Daskreech trots off to #akonadi [19:45] so has the ruby tutorial started? :) [19:46] bobesponja: nope [19:46] I hope not - it's scheduled for 20:00 UTC, it's 18:46 right now [19:46] bobesponja: i have a ongoing tutorial here : http://tryruby.hobix.com/ [19:46] * apachelogger is busy listening to daft punk :P [19:46] 20-4=16, so it should be at 4PM US EDT [19:46] *prime time of your life* [19:46] I just need to remember that [19:47] shadeslayer: thanks I know that, I was looking for a ruby plasmoid tutor apachelogger announced on identica [19:47] cool.... [19:47] I didn't say plasmiod, did I?:P [19:47] I dunno about KDE4, since I'm running 8.04, but my clock has multiple time zones when I hover over it [19:47] I love that feature [19:48] * apachelogger notes that coding plasmoids is a rather boring practise since most of the code needs to go into backend stuff [19:48] it wass ruby something :) [19:48] why does that make it boring ? [19:49] cause non-visible stuff is always boring :P [19:49] bobesponja: well, I don't know myself what I will be talking about, so... [19:50] heh, ok [19:50] am I late for the Tutorial?? [19:50] nope [19:50] cool... :-) [19:50] kubotu: now [19:50] Mon Jun 29 18:50:58 UTC 2009 [19:51] we have 10 min :) [19:51] * shadeslayer grabs a water bottle [19:51] nice, i just read it on the planet... [19:51] the first hour is upcoming stuff in Kubuntu 9.10, right? [19:51]