[00:00] <billybigrigger> not funny, what a waste of good coffee
[00:00] <billybigrigger> i was tempted to drain it all back into the cup :P
[00:01] <lamalex> "bloody coffee"
[00:01] <lamalex> sounds gross dude
[00:01] <billybigrigger> heh
[00:01] <billybigrigger> i was trying to tone down on the f bombs
[00:02] <lamalex> :)
[00:02] <billybigrigger> still having grub problems?
[00:04] <lamalex> do you know how to set a default os in grub2
[00:05] <billybigrigger> yes
[00:05] <RAOF> In /etc/default/grub, I believe.
[00:05] <billybigrigger> yes
[00:06] <billybigrigger> default=0 (or 1,2,3,4)
[00:06] <lamalex> and how do i determine which is which
[00:06] <billybigrigger> look in your grub.cfg
[00:06] <billybigrigger> and find which entry you want to set as default
[00:06] <billybigrigger> 0 1 2 3 4 from top to bottom in your grub.cfg entries
[00:06] <lamalex> where is grub.cfg?
[00:07] <billybigrigger> /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[00:08] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: couldn't all this stuff be in ONE place?!?! lol
[00:08] <billybigrigger> grub.cfg is not an actual config file, its compiled from /etc/grub.d/
[00:08] <lamalex> yah man, it's all over
[00:08] <billybigrigger> ya its a mess
[00:09] <billybigrigger> well it is a config file, just not meant to be edited
[00:09] <billybigrigger> ALL grub2 config is done in /etc/grub.d/ and /etc/default/grub
[00:10] <billybigrigger> lamalex::: wanna pastebin your grub.cfg?
[00:10] <lamalex> billybigrigger: not really, now that i know where stuff is im ok
[00:10] <billybigrigger> cool beans
[00:10] <lamalex> thanks
[00:11] <billybigrigger> np
[00:11] <billybigrigger> btw for further reference https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Default%20Boot%20Entry
[00:11] <billybigrigger> or just simply https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[00:11] <BUGabundo> beans ? coffee beans ?
[00:12] <billybigrigger> i havent done any editing of it last week, but have been busy, this week i need to update some more stuff...but the bare basics for grub2 are there
[00:12] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: hehe if you want, just a stupid saying i guess :P
[00:12] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: you mean ill get more wiki spam !? :p
[00:12] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: hehe, you sub'd to it :P
[00:12] <BUGabundo> of course
[00:12] <BUGabundo> need be kept up to date
[00:12] <BUGabundo> :)
[00:13] <billybigrigger> me too apparently
[00:13] <billybigrigger> cwillu pointed out a bug i was not aware of
[00:13] <BUGabundo> just one?
[00:13] <billybigrigger> but its my fault, i've been slacking
[00:13] <BUGabundo> cwillu is slacking
[00:13] <billybigrigger> oh i bet there's more
[00:14] <BUGabundo> ok ok he was traveling, he has an excuse
[00:14] <BUGabundo> although cwillu won't tell me where he went :\\\
[00:14]  * BUGabundo hates secrets
[00:16] <billybigrigger> heh
[00:17] <lamalex> so when are banshee and empathy getting put into karmic?
[00:17]  * Twigathy does his daily update :)
[00:17] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: daily??? I run it 3x day
[00:17] <BUGabundo> lamalex: err already are!
[00:18] <lamalex> hm
[00:18] <lamalex> not for me..
[00:18] <Twigathy> ahh, I'm more of a desktop user rather than a tester though BUGabundo :) if I find something wrong I will report it though :D
[00:18] <BUGabundo> !info banshee
[00:18] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy banshee
[00:18] <BUGabundo>   Installed: (none)
[00:18] <BUGabundo>   Candidate: 1.4.3-5
[00:19] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy empathy
[00:19] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 2.27.3-2ubuntu1
[00:19] <BUGabundo> lamalex: ^^^^^^^^
[00:19] <BUGabundo> already are
[00:19] <lamalex> yes, see how banshee says "universe"
[00:20] <BUGabundo> yes it does
[00:20] <lamalex> yes
[00:20] <lamalex> exactly
[00:20] <BUGabundo> still its IN karmic
[00:20] <lamalex> i guess that depends as what you define as karmic
[00:20] <BUGabundo> not main, but what ever
[00:20] <lamalex> is karmic the set of all software packages availble? is having a ppa enough to be considered "in karmic"
[00:20] <BUGabundo> lamalex: karmic (as any other version) is a set (current state) of an repo/archive
[00:21] <RAOF> lamalex: Dunno about Banshee, but empathy is in main and is seeded on the current daily CDs.
[00:21] <BUGabundo> I do not consider a PPA a distro version , no
[00:21] <RAOF> (Geoloc support is currently disabled, though, pending some promotion-to-main for the dependencies)
[00:21] <lamalex> BUGabundo: yah, so in karmic should probably mean seeded/main
[00:22] <BUGabundo> not for me
[00:22] <lamalex> so banshee is not really IN karmic
[00:22] <lamalex> it's available to karmic
[00:22] <RAOF> I think you're using an overly restricted definition for "in karmic".  I think most people will take "in karmic" to mean "in an official repository".
[00:22] <RAOF> Not by default, yet, no.
[00:23] <lamalex> RAOF: not afraid to tell most people their definition is wrong
[00:23] <RAOF> Heh.
[00:24] <BUGabundo> with all the archive reorganization
[00:24] <BUGabundo> in one or two cycles there won't even be a Main
[00:33] <cwillu> BUGabundo, was presuming it was the usual ext4 hanging bug (we know deletes trigger it, but we don't know that _only_ deletes trigger it)
[00:33] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[00:33] <BUGabundo> you do know its past mid night
[00:33] <BUGabundo> my braind shut off a while agor
[00:34] <BUGabundo> only fingers are still some what active
[00:49]  * BUGabundo Memory depleted. Please terminate Brain. \n bed
[00:57] <virtuald> does everyone elses scrollwheel work as it should? :>
[00:58] <virtuald> plugged another mouse and it works without problems :>
[02:13] <billybigrigger> anyone having problems mounting an ipod?
[02:25] <poseidon> Any suggestions on whether I should upgrade to grub2?  Anyone know of a good online how-to?
[02:25] <RAOF> The Ubuntu wiki page should be reasonable.
[02:26] <RAOF> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[02:26] <billybigrigger> you might as well upgrade and start getting used to it
[02:27] <billybigrigger> it is coming, and the grub devs aren't supporting grub legacy anymore
[02:27] <RAOF> That said, it's been coming for a _long_ time, and the grub devs haven't been supporting grub legacy for longer :)
[02:28] <billybigrigger> :P
[02:28] <billybigrigger> well the big push on the ubuntu side has only come since karmic afaik, correct me if im wrong
[02:31] <RAOF> Oh, yeah.  That's right.
[02:55] <Sarvatt> woohoo, got gvfs all fixed up so mounts work again
[02:56] <Sarvatt> posted the patches i used here -- https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/393051
[03:02] <ripps> Sarvatt: I'm going to build a package and put in my testing ppa to see if it works.
[03:04] <Sarvatt> just uploaded a very unclean package that people will have to remember to revert when ubuntu updates it since I couldnt reuse the orig.tar.gz to https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/bugs
[03:05] <ripps> Sarvatt: what type of patching system does gvfs use? You shouldn't need to alter the orig.tar if it's patched from debian/
[03:06] <Sarvatt> i couldnt patch it in debian like i said in the bug, tried that many times but it doesnt work adding them to the series
[03:06] <ripps> Ah... quilt. You can't just add the patch to the patches directory, you need to tell quilt what files it's allowed to edit
[03:06] <Sarvatt> it patched fine but its running something that screws it up
[03:08] <Sarvatt> it could end up patching fine just disabling 90_relibtoolize.patch and having the other 2 in the series, thats the only way i didnt check
[03:08] <Sarvatt> err building fine
[03:10] <Sarvatt> i dont know how all that junk works but 90_relibtoolize.patch was making it build correctly
[03:10] <Sarvatt> making it not build correctly, sorry
[03:11] <Sarvatt> i made that second patch because i needed to remove the stuff from the monitor/gdu/Makefile.in shipped in the orig.tar.gz
[03:12] <Sarvatt> if you get it working with the real orig.tar.gz lemme know :)
[03:18] <ripps> Sarvatt: this might not work, but try setting up the rules to run autogen,sh before building
[03:18] <Sarvatt> no autogen shipped
[03:18] <Sarvatt> or i would have :(
[03:21] <ripps> hmm.... how about adding `DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_LIBTOOL:= pre` to the rules?
[03:21] <RAOF> Sarvatt: You can generally run 'autoreconf'; you don't necessarily need an autogen.sh.
[03:22] <ripps> my command will run libtoolize at the start of the build process
[03:24] <Sarvatt> well I will let someone else work that out, spent too many hours getting the patches working and wifes nagging me which is why i just posted the patches that work to the bug instead of putting up a debdiff :D
[03:28] <Sarvatt> start.S undefined reference to `main' was the error it was failing with adding them to the series with 90_relibtoolize.patch if it helps any
[03:38] <Sarvatt> put working debs here because launchpad is taking a year http://sarvatt.com/downloads/gvfs/
[03:58] <Sarvatt> looking at it i guess all it would need is to disable 90_relibtoolize.patch and add the git commit patch, the relibtoolize one looks like it just enables maintainer mode making the .in's not get rebuilt
[05:27] <ripps> Sarvatt: hmm... whenever I try to build a package with your patches in debian, it starts building but I keep getting a build error along the way.
[05:27] <ripps> gvfs_gdu_volume_monitor-ggduvolume.o: In function `mount_cb':
[05:32] <ripps> "/tmp/buildd/gvfs-1.3git20090512/monitor/gdu/ggduvolume.c:795"
[08:10] <tgpraveen> bug 195737
[12:00] <RichardWolfVI> Hello, I'm having several issues af of yesterday, the first is having this after logon: Error activating XKB configuration.
[12:00] <RichardWolfVI> my keyboard configuration is borked
[12:10] <RichardWolfVI> oh, and debconf is failing also
[12:25] <dupondje> somebody around ?
[12:25] <dupondje> & upgraded gvfs :p
[12:39] <Wicla> anyone else with bug 393433 and want to confirm? tags: suspend, intel
[12:41] <robin0800> Trying to mount Mp3 player Bug ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/206187/
[13:15] <arand> apt wants to remove #hotkey-setup libempathy-gtk23 libempathy25 mono-2.0-runtime mono-common mono-jit, is that reasonable?
[13:17] <virtuald> why's there no epiphany-webkit?
[13:18] <virtuald> false alarm :p
[13:18] <virtuald> looked at the wrong box
[13:18] <virtuald> but why did it get removed on upgrade?
[13:19] <virtuald> and replaced with gecko
[13:27] <RichardWolfVI> arand> Yes, it-s normal
[13:27] <RichardWolfVI> *it's
[13:30] <arand> RichardWolfVI: it's the hotkey-setup I'm worried about though, that one is supposed to still be in, innit?
[13:40] <Sarvatt> nope hotkey-setup is dead now
[13:48] <RichardWolfVI> arand: they're moving away from HAL altogether
[13:58] <RichardWolfVI> I can-t install updates as of yesterday
[14:00] <BUGabundo> RichardWolfVI: what is the error?
[14:00] <BUGabundo> what apt interface are you using ?
[14:00] <RichardWolfVI> BUGabundo: either apt-get, synaptic or aptitude
[14:00] <BUGabundo> humm that's *bad*
[14:01] <BUGabundo> is it the apt_check crash?
[14:01] <BUGabundo> I had that, after a reboot, apt-get worked again, but aptitude no
[14:01] <RichardWolfVI> BUGabundo: also, my keyboard configuration is faulty
[14:02] <BUGabundo> RichardWolfVI: why?
[14:03] <mvo> RichardWolfVI: what is the error you get?
[14:03] <BUGabundo> hey mvo. long time no see! [[]]
[14:03] <mvo> hey BUGabundo
[14:03] <RichardWolfVI> mvo: Error activating XKB configuration.
[14:04] <BUGabundo> RichardWolfVI: I think mvo meant the apt error eheh
[14:04] <RichardWolfVI> oh, i'll paste the output
[14:05] <BUGabundo> !paste | RichardWolfVI
[14:05] <RichardWolfVI> I guess I'll paste it in English
[14:09] <RichardWolfVI> mvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/206247/
[14:09] <RichardWolfVI> BUGabundo, that's also for you
[14:10] <RichardWolfVI> My guess is that debconf and perl are pretty messed up.
[14:11] <ripps> I don't get it, usually when I update-manager wants to do a partial upgrade, it wants to remove something, but I only get upgrades with this one.
[14:11] <BUGabundo> err
[14:11] <BUGabundo> ripps: please avoid Partial Updates
[14:11] <BUGabundo> it usually means depencies are still unbuilt
[14:12] <ripps> BUGabundo: so... do I ignore it for now?
[14:12] <BUGabundo> so if you force it, you may end up removing packages
[14:12] <BUGabundo> well, just don't do any more upgrades
[14:12] <BUGabundo> try back in a few hours
[14:12] <ripps> apparently udev is being kept back
[14:12] <BUGabundo> or if you are in an hurry, try aptitude safe-upgrade
[14:13] <BUGabundo> it does handle upgrades way better then apt-get or UM
[14:13] <BUGabundo> ripps: yeah, udev touchs pleanty of stuff
[14:13] <ripps> will these updates fix the mounting issues I've had with ntfs drives?
[14:14] <ripps> I've been forced to use pmount on them for a while now
[14:15] <BUGabundo> ripps: don't we all hope so?? eheh please check the change log!
[14:15] <BUGabundo> mvo: still around ? can you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/393459 thanks
[14:16] <ripps> hmm.. according to karmic-changes, they've uploaded 3 consectutive udev updates, must be having issues.
[14:17] <BUGabundo> humm that's for the heads up! *I* better not upgrade yet eheh . better stay with a known broken package that to get more brakeage ehehe
[14:20] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, updates.  I've been meaning to do that
[14:21] <ripps> Also, it seems there removing udev-extras from ubuntu-standard according to the changelog on the upcoming ubuntu-meta source
[14:23] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: ahah
[14:27] <ripps> Hmm.... it seems that linux-image_2.6.31 was built several days ago, I wonder when they plan on letting us try it out? Probably when they've fixed all the gvfs issues, before they throw in a potentionally unstable kernel at us
[14:28] <Hobbsee> unlikely
[14:28] <Hobbsee> probably the next time someone goes though the new queue to process it
[14:28] <BUGabundo> ripps it was planed for august!
[14:28] <BUGabundo> it can't/shouldn't be out NOW
[14:28] <Hobbsee> oh, 2.6.31?  interesting
[14:28] <BUGabundo> ripps: you have them all on Mainline kernel team PPA
[14:29] <BUGabundo> ripps: Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds
[14:29] <Hobbsee> right, yeah
[14:29]  * Hobbsee didn't check said new queue before assuming it had turned up there
[14:29] <BUGabundo> I love to see the daily http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/current/ at 17/06 LOL
[14:30] <ripps> Well, according to karmic-changes, someone uploaded it to be built.... it produced several varieties of kernels, generic, generic-pae, and a variety of arches, not just i386 and amd64.... I suppose it could be for personal testing of the core-devs
[14:31] <Pici> You could always ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[14:31] <RichardWolfVI> BUGabundo: any ideas on these errors I told you_
[14:32] <RichardWolfVI> ?
[14:33] <BUGabundo> RichardWolfVI: mvo would be your guy! no idea where he went!
[14:33] <BUGabundo> I don't do much pearl... but it could be a bad package
[14:34] <BUGabundo> Pici: or we could just nag a_p_w
[14:34] <Pici> BUGabundo: I prefer not to ping specific people unless its really a big issue.
[14:35] <RichardWolfVI> mvo> hope you-re checking on my issue :/
[14:35] <mvo> RichardWolfVI: hm, could you try to reinstall perl?
[14:35] <BUGabundo> Pici: me too. that's why I avoided it :)
[14:36] <mvo> RichardWolfVI: apt-get install --reinstall liburi-perl ?
[14:37] <mvo> RichardWolfVI: please make that "apt-ge tinstall --reinstall perl-base"
[14:38] <RichardWolfVI> mvo> Will try that again
[14:38] <BUGabundo> have to go! see you guys and galls later!
[14:41] <RichardWolfVI> mvo: same debconf error
[14:43] <RichardWolfVI> mvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/206267/
[14:45] <mvo> RichardWolfVI: please try "sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/perl-base_<tab> " directly
[14:46] <RichardWolfVI> mvo> Syntax error
[14:46] <RichardWolfVI> mvo: is that the right command?
[14:48] <RichardWolfVI> I guess it was a Wild card
[14:48] <mvo> RichardWolfVI: well, <tab> should be exchanged with the tab key (for tab-completion in the shell)
[14:48] <RichardWolfVI> mvo: got it
[14:48] <RichardWolfVI> mvo: done, now what?
[14:49] <mvo> please try "sudo dpkg --configure -a" next
[14:49] <mvo> and see if debconf is now more happy
[14:49] <RichardWolfVI> mvo: done
[14:49] <RichardWolfVI> I-m retrying the upgrade
[14:50] <RichardWolfVI> mvo: You made it!
[14:51] <RichardWolfVI> mvo: Thak you so much :D
[14:51] <RichardWolfVI> *Thank
[14:51] <RichardWolfVI> OK, I'm restarting
[15:15] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Can some of you check if closing any jamendo page makes firefox crash in karmic?
[15:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it happens to me
[15:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Closing any window containing a flash applet, actually
[15:21] <charlie-tca> Anyone know what "HPLJ 10XX Replaced Paper" is? It shows up in a fresh Karmic install under Applications -> System
[15:23] <Le-Chuck_ITA> charlie-tca: no idea but can confirm it's there and on my system just opens a window saying that I do not have such a thing as an HPLJ 10XX
[15:23] <charlie-tca> Thanks. I don't even have a printer installed on mine yet
[15:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> charlie-tca: can you check if firefox crashes when closing a flash window?
[15:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> charlie-tca: only if you are actually on karmic ATM
[15:26] <charlie-tca> No, I don't have flash installed
[15:27] <charlie-tca> sorry
[15:27] <RichardWolfVI> Hello, now that the perl issue seems solved, I need to fix another one
[15:29] <RichardWolfVI> I get "Error activating XKB configuration." each time I log on
[15:30] <RichardWolfVI> my keyboard is misconfigured, my layout seems to be stuck at US, but my keyboard is Latin American
[15:32] <RichardWolfVI> I'm getting the following text: http://paste.ubuntu.com/206296/
[15:42] <BluesKaj> RichardWolfVI, I have to ask the obvious question : have youenabled KB layout / locale in system settings ?
[15:43] <RichardWolfVI> BluesKaj" yes, I did
[15:43] <RichardWolfVI> I'll double-check
[15:44] <RichardWolfVI> BluesKaj: checked yet again
[15:45] <RichardWolfVI> aside from being unable to type comfortably, my "media keys" don't work either
[15:47] <BluesKaj> have you tried choosing any of the KBs listed in the dropdown there?
[15:48] <RichardWolfVI> BluesKaj: yes, I get the same error, over and over again
[15:49] <BluesKaj> RichardWolfVI, what KB is it /
[15:49] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:49] <RichardWolfVI> BluesKaj: Latin American
[15:49] <BluesKaj> make & model ?
[15:50] <RichardWolfVI> Microsoft Basic Keyboard 500
[15:50] <berniv6> anyone know of a "X doesn't start" issue with karmic? Started in the last five days, the usplash bar just hangs at about 70% and then drops to console
[15:51] <berniv6> latest message is "* Cleaning up temporary files..."
[15:51] <RichardWolfVI> berniv6> Which kernel?
[15:51] <berniv6> Intel graphics, I tried with both stock Karmic packages and xorg-edgers
[15:51] <berniv6> RichardWolfVI: 2.6.30-9, 2.6.30-10 and 2.6.31-1 (manually installed)
[15:52] <RichardWolfVI> berniv6: I have isues with PAE kernels
[15:52] <berniv6> RichardWolfVI: amd64 platform, no PAE involved as far as I understand
[15:54] <berniv6> I'm not even sure it's X related as there should be a lot more messages between cleaning the temporary files and starting GDM
[15:54] <BluesKaj> RichardWolfVI, look in KB layout advanced and see what's checked in Xkb options, if anything .
[15:54] <berniv6> it boots fine in recovery mode, but then starting X gives me the same result, just a black screen
[15:54] <berniv6> no help booting with nomodeset either
[15:55] <roland_> Hi, I'm running karmic with kde beta 2. There are some features missing from vanilla kde but perhaps I'm just missing some packages: nepomuk search bar in dolphin (instead I have one additional empty toolbar), The QEdge wallpaper plugin, some desktop types like the black board
[15:56] <Sarvatt> can you pastebin a /var/log/Xorg.0.log from a failed boot? (probably under Xorg.0.log.old)
[15:57] <Sarvatt> @berniv6
[16:01] <BluesKaj> Sarvatt, the  @berniv6 , doesn't highlight on irc
[16:01] <berniv6> it does for me
[16:01] <berniv6> okay, I'm not sure anymore it's X related
[16:01] <berniv6> the timestamps of /var/log/Xorg.* are older than my last boot attempts
[16:02] <Sarvatt> was only 2 minutes after he said something, was just saying it to clarify it was directed at him and not roland_ :D
[16:02] <berniv6> since I reboot with Sysrq-SUB it should be never if Xorg was attempted to start
[16:02] <berniv6> I now set VERBOSE=yes in /etc/default/rcS and now the last message I see is "Setting up ICE socket directory /tmp/.ICE-unix...2
[16:04] <Sarvatt> can you get a dmesg from a failed boot?
[16:04] <berniv6> hardly ... I can't get a console :-(
[16:04] <takeitbythehand> anyone have a workaround to get sound working with the latest stuff?
[16:04] <RichardWolfVI> BluesKaj: no, nothing out of usual
[16:05] <RichardWolfVI> I even made an xfix
[16:08] <berniv6> is there anything to be executed between /etc/rcS.d/S70x11-common (the last in /etc/rcS.d) and the first in /etc/rc3.d?
[16:09] <Sarvatt> how about a /var/log/kern.log?
[16:10] <Sarvatt> can you try i915.modeset=0 instead of nomodeset? nomodeset might not be getting passed early enough since i915 is in the initrd now, i'm not sure
[16:11] <berniv6> trying that now ... I guess kern.log doesn't help since it will be overwritten when I attempt to boot into recovery mode
[16:11] <berniv6> modeset=0 doesn't help either, same error (but no KMS)
[16:11] <Pici> berniv6: You could always try a live-cd or other boot method
[16:12] <berniv6> hrm, right, will do
[16:13] <RichardWolfVI> I fixed the issue by reinstalling xorg
[16:14] <berniv6> /var/log/kern.log isn't written, as it doesn't get to the point where to start syslogd
[16:16] <RichardWolfVI> OK, see ya
[16:17] <berniv6> okay, something with my boot process is fishy
[16:17] <berniv6> I put a debugging statement in the last job in rcS.d (x11-common) and in the first job in rc3.d (policykit)
[16:18] <berniv6> at the end of the x11-common job and in the very beginning of policykit
[16:18] <berniv6> I see the first but not the latter
[16:23] <berniv6> aha!
[16:23] <berniv6> when I manually specify the target runlevel on the bootprompt ("3") it boots just fine
[16:24] <berniv6> where should it get that information from?
[16:26] <charlie-tca> Well, Isn't rc2.d the default for Ubuntu?
[16:26] <berniv6> works with "2" as well
[16:29] <berniv6> now only remaining issue, with 2.6.31-1 the display is initialized in 1024x768, with 2.6.30-10 in 1920x1200
[16:29] <berniv6> uploading Xorg logs
[16:33] <berniv6> http://users.birkenwald.de/~berni/temp/xorg-2.6.31-1 and http://users.birkenwald.de/~berni/temp/xorg-2.6.30-10
[16:34] <Pici> Karmic has .31 already?
[16:35] <berniv6> it's uploaded, not yet installed
[16:35] <berniv6> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/linux/2.6.31-1.13
[16:50] <miik> does proprietary nvidia drivers work with Ubuntu 9.04 "Karmic Koala" alpha?
[16:50] <miik> err, 9.10 i meant
[16:54] <mahfiaz> miik, for me these work
[16:54] <mahfiaz> assaultcube plays fine on T61
[16:54] <miik> cool
[16:55] <miik> is 9.10 stable for you?
[16:55] <miik> many glitches?
[16:56] <mahfiaz> miik, dbus does not work, this means automounting of usb drives fail
[16:57] <mahfiaz> thunderbird doesn't start for unknown reason
[16:57] <miik> oh
[16:57] <mahfiaz> mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt -o utf8 works just as expected
[16:58] <mahfiaz> also, missing dbus renders nm-applet unusable
[16:58] <miik> aff
[16:58] <miik> but internet work?
[16:59] <mahfiaz> networkmanager connects fine, you just cannot set it up
[16:59] <mahfiaz> to connect to wifi for example
[16:59] <miik> ok
[16:59] <mahfiaz> as always, command line counterparts are available
[16:59] <mahfiaz> like sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid "mynetwork" && sudo dhclient wlan0
[17:00] <miik> LAN internet network ethernet
[17:00] <miik> any kernel panics? crashes? freezes? reboots?
[17:00] <mahfiaz> no crashes, panics or things like that so far
[17:01] <miik> cool
[17:01] <mahfiaz> though my laptops graphics card is sometimes bad of heating and ends up crashing, but this isn't an issue of software
[17:01] <miik> oh
[17:02] <mahfiaz> bad for me :)
[17:02] <miik> ya
[17:08] <mahfiaz> miik, btw, there is bot udev and gvfs update today, this may fix the usb problem
[17:08] <mahfiaz> s/bot/both
[17:09] <miik> oh
[17:15] <bullgard4> What do Ubuntu developers intend to accomplish in Karmic? Where can I find an overview on that?
[17:28] <BluesKaj> bullgard4, perhaps if yo clicked on the "testing" URL in the Welcome message
[17:30] <bullgard4> BluesKaj: What Welcome message do you mean? What URL?
[17:33] <charlie-tca> Might have to look at the blueprints in launchpad and specs in the wiki
[17:37] <BluesKaj> bullgard4, at the top of the chatpage
[18:01] <bullgard4> BluesKaj: I do not understand what do you mean by "chatpage".
[18:05] <BluesKaj> bullgard4, there is a welcome message that lists kubuntu support URLs when you join the channel ..if you are running irssi then you'll have to scroll waaaay up to find it.
[18:13] <charlie-tca> BluesKaj: Sure that would be in #ubuntu+1?
[18:13] <BluesKaj> bullgard4,  www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha2
[18:14] <Twigathy> hm.
[18:15] <Twigathy> I think the latest update to udev broke this computer \o/
[18:15] <Twigathy> oh, nope, udev start finally returned
[18:22] <Twigathy> ooo, not good. Now if I open a terminal I don't get a new bash prompt.... help!
[18:30] <Twigathy> hm, something must have got wedged in an interesting way. Rebooted and it's working...
[18:33] <bullgard4> BluesKaj: Great! This is what I was looking for. --  Thank you very much for your help.
[18:35] <BluesKaj> NP :)
[19:47] <astenorh> Hello everyone
[19:48] <astenorh> where should I report a kernel panic?
[19:49] <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug to file a bug report or ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[20:02] <DoYouKnow> hi... anyone know how to get dell 1505 wireless working on karmic?
[20:02] <DoYouKnow> I've tried ndiswrapper in the past but it didn't work
[20:02] <DoYouKnow> with the drivers I was using on windows... although there are several other windows drivers included in the dell install dvd
[20:02] <DoYouKnow> that I haven't tried
[20:02] <BluesKaj> DoYouKnow, try wicd
[20:06] <DoYouKnow> BluesKaj, but it's the drivers that are the problem
[20:06] <BluesKaj> the generic driver is well wriiten to fit most wifi cards
[20:09] <DoYouKnow> what should I use for drivers for dell 1505?
[20:09] <DoYouKnow> hello?
[20:10] <DoYouKnow> BluesKaj, it's not the wireless manager that's the problem
[20:10] <DoYouKnow> it's the drivers
[20:10] <DoYouKnow> I need dell 1505 drivers
[20:10] <DoYouKnow> " with the drivers I was using on windows..."
[20:11] <Sarvatt> sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source if its a BCM4321, it doesnt help theres alot of different cards that could be in there
[20:12] <BluesKaj> DoYouKnow, just try it ..it won't break your ssytem
[20:14] <DoYouKnow> it didn't work
[20:14] <DoYouKnow> I don't even see the wireless device
[20:14] <DoYouKnow> I tried it and it didn't work'
[20:15] <BluesKaj> di you try to set up preferences
[20:16] <Wicla> anyone else with bug 393433 and want to confirm? tags: suspend, intel
[20:17] <DoYouKnow> BluesKaj, what will that do?
[20:17] <DoYouKnow> I currently don't have a working driver afaik
[20:17] <BluesKaj> set up the driver and encryption
[20:18] <DoYouKnow> which driver?
[20:21] <BluesKaj> wext
[20:23] <iPoRn> when i try to mount a cdrom, i get this error, and it doesn't mount: org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.Error.NotAuthorized: org.freedesktop.devicekit.disks.filesystem-mount no, what could it be?
[20:29] <DoYouKnow> is keyserver.ubuntu.com down?
[20:30] <DoYouKnow> I'm trying to install the driver
[20:36] <coz_> hey guys  to days updates apparently killed my sound card ..it kicks in during boot but I get    a notification from Phonon that my card  does not work   now
[20:36] <coz_> http://picpaste.com/snapshot2.png
[20:38] <coz_> also  right click on link in xchat I get  error saying "cannot find the program 'aroroa"  ??
[20:39] <coz_> arora
[20:41] <DoYouKnow> how do I get broadcom-sta working in karmic?
[20:41] <DoYouKnow> what's the easiest way you guys think?
[21:07] <Sarvatt> DoYouKnow: bcmwl-kernel-source=broadcom-sta
[21:08] <DoYouKnow> what's that?
[21:08] <DoYouKnow> I don't understnad
[21:08] <DoYouKnow> *understand
[21:12] <DoYouKnow> Sarvatt, is that the easiest way to support a broadcom 802.11n card?
[21:14] <DoYouKnow> I had some severe problems on hardy with this driver
[21:15] <DoYouKnow> random disconnects
[21:15] <DoYouKnow> so I am wary
[21:15] <DoYouKnow> this has really been a lot of work
[21:17] <DoYouKnow> I had a laptop under $1000 that worked better with linux than this one
[21:17] <DoYouKnow> and this was very expensive
[21:17] <DoYouKnow> so... it's kind of upsetting
[21:18] <DoYouKnow> this is an xps m1530
[21:18] <BluesKaj> DoYouKnow, wicd looks at your hardware wifi/wln0/eth0 connection and determines which driver to use in it's arsenal so to speak
[21:20] <DoYouKnow> now I get package wicd has no installation candidate
[21:20] <DoYouKnow> what did I do now...heh..
[21:22] <BluesKaj> DoYouKnow, uninstall any other wifi drivers
[21:24] <DoYouKnow> hmm
[21:24] <DoYouKnow> I don't think any are installed right now
[21:24] <DoYouKnow> but I definitely did something
[21:26] <Twigathy> hm.
[21:26] <Twigathy> PolicyKit stuff seems to have broken my pulseaudio
[21:26] <Twigathy> I get some badness if I do -vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv[etc] when launching pulse:
[21:26] <Twigathy> I: main.c: setrlimit(RLIMIT_NICE, (31, 31)) failed: Operation not permitted
[21:26] <Twigathy> I: main.c: setrlimit(RLIMIT_RTPRIO, (9, 9)) failed: Operation not permitted
[21:27] <Twigathy> Anybody else run into problems?
[21:58] <DoYouKnow> I'm still getting the wicd has no installation candidate message
[21:58] <DoYouKnow> is there any way to get around this without reinstalling kubuntu?
[22:04] <DoYouKnow> well, it looks like I'm going to have to redo it