[00:00] not funny, what a waste of good coffee [00:00] i was tempted to drain it all back into the cup :P [00:01] "bloody coffee" [00:01] sounds gross dude [00:01] heh [00:01] i was trying to tone down on the f bombs [00:02] :) [00:02] still having grub problems? [00:04] do you know how to set a default os in grub2 [00:05] yes [00:05] In /etc/default/grub, I believe. [00:05] yes [00:06] default=0 (or 1,2,3,4) [00:06] and how do i determine which is which [00:06] look in your grub.cfg [00:06] and find which entry you want to set as default [00:06] 0 1 2 3 4 from top to bottom in your grub.cfg entries [00:06] where is grub.cfg? [00:07] /boot/grub/grub.cfg [00:08] billybigrigger: couldn't all this stuff be in ONE place?!?! lol [00:08] grub.cfg is not an actual config file, its compiled from /etc/grub.d/ [00:08] yah man, it's all over [00:08] ya its a mess [00:09] well it is a config file, just not meant to be edited [00:09] ALL grub2 config is done in /etc/grub.d/ and /etc/default/grub [00:10] lamalex::: wanna pastebin your grub.cfg? [00:10] billybigrigger: not really, now that i know where stuff is im ok [00:10] cool beans [00:10] thanks [00:11] np [00:11] btw for further reference https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Default%20Boot%20Entry [00:11] or just simply https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 [00:11] beans ? coffee beans ? [00:12] i havent done any editing of it last week, but have been busy, this week i need to update some more stuff...but the bare basics for grub2 are there [00:12] BUGabundo::: hehe if you want, just a stupid saying i guess :P [00:12] billybigrigger: you mean ill get more wiki spam !? :p [00:12] BUGabundo::: hehe, you sub'd to it :P [00:12] of course [00:12] need be kept up to date [00:12] :) [00:13] me too apparently [00:13] cwillu pointed out a bug i was not aware of [00:13] just one? [00:13] but its my fault, i've been slacking [00:13] cwillu is slacking [00:13] oh i bet there's more [00:14] ok ok he was traveling, he has an excuse [00:14] although cwillu won't tell me where he went :\\\ [00:14] * BUGabundo hates secrets [00:16] heh [00:17] so when are banshee and empathy getting put into karmic? [00:17] * Twigathy does his daily update :) [00:17] Twigathy: daily??? I run it 3x day [00:17] lamalex: err already are! [00:18] hm [00:18] not for me.. [00:18] ahh, I'm more of a desktop user rather than a tester though BUGabundo :) if I find something wrong I will report it though :D [00:18] !info banshee [00:18] banshee (source: banshee): Media Management and Playback application. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.3-5 (karmic), package size 2572 kB, installed size 8460 kB [00:18] $ apt-cache policy banshee [00:18] Installed: (none) [00:18] Candidate: 1.4.3-5 [00:19] $ apt-cache policy empathy [00:19] Installed: 2.27.3-2ubuntu1 [00:19] lamalex: ^^^^^^^^ [00:19] already are [00:19] yes, see how banshee says "universe" [00:20] yes it does [00:20] yes [00:20] exactly [00:20] still its IN karmic [00:20] i guess that depends as what you define as karmic [00:20] not main, but what ever [00:20] is karmic the set of all software packages availble? is having a ppa enough to be considered "in karmic" [00:20] lamalex: karmic (as any other version) is a set (current state) of an repo/archive [00:21] lamalex: Dunno about Banshee, but empathy is in main and is seeded on the current daily CDs. [00:21] I do not consider a PPA a distro version , no [00:21] (Geoloc support is currently disabled, though, pending some promotion-to-main for the dependencies) [00:21] BUGabundo: yah, so in karmic should probably mean seeded/main [00:22] not for me [00:22] so banshee is not really IN karmic [00:22] it's available to karmic [00:22] I think you're using an overly restricted definition for "in karmic". I think most people will take "in karmic" to mean "in an official repository". [00:22] Not by default, yet, no. [00:23] RAOF: not afraid to tell most people their definition is wrong [00:23] Heh. [00:24] with all the archive reorganization [00:24] in one or two cycles there won't even be a Main === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [00:33] BUGabundo, was presuming it was the usual ext4 hanging bug (we know deletes trigger it, but we don't know that _only_ deletes trigger it) [00:33] ehehe [00:33] you do know its past mid night [00:33] my braind shut off a while agor [00:34] only fingers are still some what active [00:49] * BUGabundo Memory depleted. Please terminate Brain. \n bed [00:57] does everyone elses scrollwheel work as it should? :> [00:58] plugged another mouse and it works without problems :> [02:13] anyone having problems mounting an ipod? [02:25] Any suggestions on whether I should upgrade to grub2? Anyone know of a good online how-to? [02:25] The Ubuntu wiki page should be reasonable. [02:26] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 [02:26] you might as well upgrade and start getting used to it [02:27] it is coming, and the grub devs aren't supporting grub legacy anymore [02:27] That said, it's been coming for a _long_ time, and the grub devs haven't been supporting grub legacy for longer :) [02:28] :P [02:28] well the big push on the ubuntu side has only come since karmic afaik, correct me if im wrong [02:31] Oh, yeah. That's right. [02:55] woohoo, got gvfs all fixed up so mounts work again [02:56] posted the patches i used here -- https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/393051 [02:56] Ubuntu bug 393051 in gvfs "Unable to mount any media in nautilus." [Undecided,New] [03:02] Sarvatt: I'm going to build a package and put in my testing ppa to see if it works. [03:04] just uploaded a very unclean package that people will have to remember to revert when ubuntu updates it since I couldnt reuse the orig.tar.gz to https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/bugs [03:05] Sarvatt: what type of patching system does gvfs use? You shouldn't need to alter the orig.tar if it's patched from debian/ [03:06] i couldnt patch it in debian like i said in the bug, tried that many times but it doesnt work adding them to the series [03:06] Ah... quilt. You can't just add the patch to the patches directory, you need to tell quilt what files it's allowed to edit [03:06] it patched fine but its running something that screws it up [03:08] it could end up patching fine just disabling 90_relibtoolize.patch and having the other 2 in the series, thats the only way i didnt check [03:08] err building fine [03:10] i dont know how all that junk works but 90_relibtoolize.patch was making it build correctly [03:10] making it not build correctly, sorry [03:11] i made that second patch because i needed to remove the stuff from the monitor/gdu/Makefile.in shipped in the orig.tar.gz [03:12] if you get it working with the real orig.tar.gz lemme know :) [03:18] Sarvatt: this might not work, but try setting up the rules to run autogen,sh before building [03:18] no autogen shipped [03:18] or i would have :( [03:21] hmm.... how about adding `DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_LIBTOOL:= pre` to the rules? [03:21] Sarvatt: You can generally run 'autoreconf'; you don't necessarily need an autogen.sh. [03:22] my command will run libtoolize at the start of the build process [03:24] well I will let someone else work that out, spent too many hours getting the patches working and wifes nagging me which is why i just posted the patches that work to the bug instead of putting up a debdiff :D [03:28] start.S undefined reference to `main' was the error it was failing with adding them to the series with 90_relibtoolize.patch if it helps any [03:38] put working debs here because launchpad is taking a year http://sarvatt.com/downloads/gvfs/ [03:58] looking at it i guess all it would need is to disable 90_relibtoolize.patch and add the git commit patch, the relibtoolize one looks like it just enables maintainer mode making the .in's not get rebuilt [05:27] Sarvatt: hmm... whenever I try to build a package with your patches in debian, it starts building but I keep getting a build error along the way. [05:27] gvfs_gdu_volume_monitor-ggduvolume.o: In function `mount_cb': [05:32] "/tmp/buildd/gvfs-1.3git20090512/monitor/gdu/ggduvolume.c:795" [08:10] bug 195737 [08:10] Launchpad bug 195737 in compiz-fusion-plugins-main "Set "open" animation to glide 2, not glide 1" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195737 [12:00] Hello, I'm having several issues af of yesterday, the first is having this after logon: Error activating XKB configuration. [12:00] my keyboard configuration is borked [12:10] oh, and debconf is failing also [12:25] somebody around ? [12:25] & upgraded gvfs :p [12:39] anyone else with bug 393433 and want to confirm? tags: suspend, intel [12:39] Launchpad bug 393433 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[karmic] Restoring from suspend ends up with blank screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/393433 [12:41] Trying to mount Mp3 player Bug ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/206187/ === mvo__ is now known as mvo === WelshDragon is now known as YDdraigGoch [13:15] apt wants to remove #hotkey-setup libempathy-gtk23 libempathy25 mono-2.0-runtime mono-common mono-jit, is that reasonable? [13:17] why's there no epiphany-webkit? [13:18] false alarm :p [13:18] looked at the wrong box [13:18] but why did it get removed on upgrade? [13:19] and replaced with gecko [13:27] arand> Yes, it-s normal [13:27] *it's [13:30] RichardWolfVI: it's the hotkey-setup I'm worried about though, that one is supposed to still be in, innit? [13:40] nope hotkey-setup is dead now [13:48] arand: they're moving away from HAL altogether [13:58] I can-t install updates as of yesterday [14:00] RichardWolfVI: what is the error? [14:00] what apt interface are you using ? [14:00] BUGabundo: either apt-get, synaptic or aptitude [14:00] humm that's *bad* [14:01] is it the apt_check crash? [14:01] I had that, after a reboot, apt-get worked again, but aptitude no [14:01] BUGabundo: also, my keyboard configuration is faulty [14:02] RichardWolfVI: why? [14:03] RichardWolfVI: what is the error you get? [14:03] hey mvo. long time no see! [[]] [14:03] hey BUGabundo [14:03] mvo: Error activating XKB configuration. [14:04] RichardWolfVI: I think mvo meant the apt error eheh [14:04] oh, i'll paste the output [14:05] !paste | RichardWolfVI [14:05] RichardWolfVI: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic [14:05] I guess I'll paste it in English [14:09] mvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/206247/ [14:09] BUGabundo, that's also for you [14:10] My guess is that debconf and perl are pretty messed up. [14:11] I don't get it, usually when I update-manager wants to do a partial upgrade, it wants to remove something, but I only get upgrades with this one. [14:11] err [14:11] ripps: please avoid Partial Updates [14:11] it usually means depencies are still unbuilt [14:12] BUGabundo: so... do I ignore it for now? [14:12] so if you force it, you may end up removing packages [14:12] well, just don't do any more upgrades [14:12] try back in a few hours [14:12] apparently udev is being kept back [14:12] or if you are in an hurry, try aptitude safe-upgrade [14:13] it does handle upgrades way better then apt-get or UM [14:13] ripps: yeah, udev touchs pleanty of stuff [14:13] will these updates fix the mounting issues I've had with ntfs drives? [14:14] I've been forced to use pmount on them for a while now [14:15] ripps: don't we all hope so?? eheh please check the change log! [14:15] mvo: still around ? can you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/393459 thanks [14:15] Ubuntu bug 393459 in compiz "Compiz Window Previews wrong position" [Undecided,New] [14:16] hmm.. according to karmic-changes, they've uploaded 3 consectutive udev updates, must be having issues. [14:17] humm that's for the heads up! *I* better not upgrade yet eheh . better stay with a known broken package that to get more brakeage ehehe [14:20] oh yeah, updates. I've been meaning to do that [14:21] Also, it seems there removing udev-extras from ubuntu-standard according to the changelog on the upcoming ubuntu-meta source [14:23] Hobbsee: ahah [14:27] Hmm.... it seems that linux-image_2.6.31 was built several days ago, I wonder when they plan on letting us try it out? Probably when they've fixed all the gvfs issues, before they throw in a potentionally unstable kernel at us [14:28] unlikely [14:28] probably the next time someone goes though the new queue to process it [14:28] ripps it was planed for august! [14:28] it can't/shouldn't be out NOW [14:28] oh, 2.6.31? interesting [14:28] ripps: you have them all on Mainline kernel team PPA [14:29] ripps: Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds [14:29] right, yeah [14:29] * Hobbsee didn't check said new queue before assuming it had turned up there [14:29] I love to see the daily http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/current/ at 17/06 LOL [14:30] Well, according to karmic-changes, someone uploaded it to be built.... it produced several varieties of kernels, generic, generic-pae, and a variety of arches, not just i386 and amd64.... I suppose it could be for personal testing of the core-devs [14:31] You could always ask in #ubuntu-kernel [14:31] BUGabundo: any ideas on these errors I told you_ [14:32] ? [14:33] RichardWolfVI: mvo would be your guy! no idea where he went! [14:33] I don't do much pearl... but it could be a bad package [14:34] Pici: or we could just nag a_p_w [14:34] BUGabundo: I prefer not to ping specific people unless its really a big issue. [14:35] mvo> hope you-re checking on my issue :/ [14:35] RichardWolfVI: hm, could you try to reinstall perl? [14:35] Pici: me too. that's why I avoided it :) [14:36] RichardWolfVI: apt-get install --reinstall liburi-perl ? [14:37] RichardWolfVI: please make that "apt-ge tinstall --reinstall perl-base" [14:38] mvo> Will try that again [14:38] have to go! see you guys and galls later! [14:41] mvo: same debconf error [14:43] mvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/206267/ [14:45] RichardWolfVI: please try "sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/perl-base_ " directly [14:46] mvo> Syntax error [14:46] mvo: is that the right command? [14:48] I guess it was a Wild card [14:48] RichardWolfVI: well, should be exchanged with the tab key (for tab-completion in the shell) [14:48] mvo: got it [14:48] mvo: done, now what? [14:49] please try "sudo dpkg --configure -a" next [14:49] and see if debconf is now more happy [14:49] mvo: done [14:49] I-m retrying the upgrade [14:50] mvo: You made it! [14:51] mvo: Thak you so much :D [14:51] *Thank [14:51] OK, I'm restarting [15:15] Hiyas all [15:19] Can some of you check if closing any jamendo page makes firefox crash in karmic? [15:19] it happens to me [15:20] Closing any window containing a flash applet, actually [15:21] Anyone know what "HPLJ 10XX Replaced Paper" is? It shows up in a fresh Karmic install under Applications -> System [15:23] charlie-tca: no idea but can confirm it's there and on my system just opens a window saying that I do not have such a thing as an HPLJ 10XX [15:23] Thanks. I don't even have a printer installed on mine yet [15:26] charlie-tca: can you check if firefox crashes when closing a flash window? [15:26] charlie-tca: only if you are actually on karmic ATM [15:26] No, I don't have flash installed [15:27] sorry [15:27] Hello, now that the perl issue seems solved, I need to fix another one [15:29] I get "Error activating XKB configuration." each time I log on [15:30] my keyboard is misconfigured, my layout seems to be stuck at US, but my keyboard is Latin American [15:32] I'm getting the following text: http://paste.ubuntu.com/206296/ [15:42] RichardWolfVI, I have to ask the obvious question : have youenabled KB layout / locale in system settings ? [15:43] BluesKaj" yes, I did [15:43] I'll double-check [15:44] BluesKaj: checked yet again [15:45] aside from being unable to type comfortably, my "media keys" don't work either [15:47] have you tried choosing any of the KBs listed in the dropdown there? [15:48] BluesKaj: yes, I get the same error, over and over again [15:49] RichardWolfVI, what KB is it / [15:49] ? [15:49] BluesKaj: Latin American [15:49] make & model ? [15:50] Microsoft Basic Keyboard 500 [15:50] anyone know of a "X doesn't start" issue with karmic? Started in the last five days, the usplash bar just hangs at about 70% and then drops to console [15:51] latest message is "* Cleaning up temporary files..." [15:51] berniv6> Which kernel? [15:51] Intel graphics, I tried with both stock Karmic packages and xorg-edgers [15:51] RichardWolfVI: 2.6.30-9, 2.6.30-10 and 2.6.31-1 (manually installed) [15:52] berniv6: I have isues with PAE kernels [15:52] RichardWolfVI: amd64 platform, no PAE involved as far as I understand [15:54] I'm not even sure it's X related as there should be a lot more messages between cleaning the temporary files and starting GDM [15:54] RichardWolfVI, look in KB layout advanced and see what's checked in Xkb options, if anything . [15:54] it boots fine in recovery mode, but then starting X gives me the same result, just a black screen [15:54] no help booting with nomodeset either [15:55] Hi, I'm running karmic with kde beta 2. There are some features missing from vanilla kde but perhaps I'm just missing some packages: nepomuk search bar in dolphin (instead I have one additional empty toolbar), The QEdge wallpaper plugin, some desktop types like the black board [15:56] can you pastebin a /var/log/Xorg.0.log from a failed boot? (probably under Xorg.0.log.old) [15:57] @berniv6 [16:01] Sarvatt, the @berniv6 , doesn't highlight on irc [16:01] it does for me [16:01] okay, I'm not sure anymore it's X related [16:01] the timestamps of /var/log/Xorg.* are older than my last boot attempts [16:02] was only 2 minutes after he said something, was just saying it to clarify it was directed at him and not roland_ :D [16:02] since I reboot with Sysrq-SUB it should be never if Xorg was attempted to start [16:02] I now set VERBOSE=yes in /etc/default/rcS and now the last message I see is "Setting up ICE socket directory /tmp/.ICE-unix...2 [16:04] can you get a dmesg from a failed boot? [16:04] hardly ... I can't get a console :-( [16:04] anyone have a workaround to get sound working with the latest stuff? [16:04] BluesKaj: no, nothing out of usual [16:05] I even made an xfix [16:08] is there anything to be executed between /etc/rcS.d/S70x11-common (the last in /etc/rcS.d) and the first in /etc/rc3.d? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:09] how about a /var/log/kern.log? [16:10] can you try i915.modeset=0 instead of nomodeset? nomodeset might not be getting passed early enough since i915 is in the initrd now, i'm not sure [16:11] trying that now ... I guess kern.log doesn't help since it will be overwritten when I attempt to boot into recovery mode [16:11] modeset=0 doesn't help either, same error (but no KMS) [16:11] berniv6: You could always try a live-cd or other boot method [16:12] hrm, right, will do [16:13] I fixed the issue by reinstalling xorg [16:14] /var/log/kern.log isn't written, as it doesn't get to the point where to start syslogd [16:16] OK, see ya [16:17] okay, something with my boot process is fishy [16:17] I put a debugging statement in the last job in rcS.d (x11-common) and in the first job in rc3.d (policykit) [16:18] at the end of the x11-common job and in the very beginning of policykit [16:18] I see the first but not the latter [16:23] aha! [16:23] when I manually specify the target runlevel on the bootprompt ("3") it boots just fine [16:24] where should it get that information from? [16:26] Well, Isn't rc2.d the default for Ubuntu? [16:26] works with "2" as well [16:29] now only remaining issue, with 2.6.31-1 the display is initialized in 1024x768, with 2.6.30-10 in 1920x1200 [16:29] uploading Xorg logs [16:33] http://users.birkenwald.de/~berni/temp/xorg-2.6.31-1 and http://users.birkenwald.de/~berni/temp/xorg-2.6.30-10 [16:34] Karmic has .31 already? [16:35] it's uploaded, not yet installed [16:35] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/linux/2.6.31-1.13 [16:50] does proprietary nvidia drivers work with Ubuntu 9.04 "Karmic Koala" alpha? [16:50] err, 9.10 i meant [16:54] miik, for me these work [16:54] assaultcube plays fine on T61 [16:54] cool [16:55] is 9.10 stable for you? [16:55] many glitches? [16:56] miik, dbus does not work, this means automounting of usb drives fail [16:57] thunderbird doesn't start for unknown reason [16:57] oh [16:57] mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt -o utf8 works just as expected [16:58] also, missing dbus renders nm-applet unusable [16:58] aff [16:58] but internet work? [16:59] networkmanager connects fine, you just cannot set it up [16:59] to connect to wifi for example [16:59] ok [16:59] as always, command line counterparts are available [16:59] like sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid "mynetwork" && sudo dhclient wlan0 [17:00] LAN internet network ethernet [17:00] any kernel panics? crashes? freezes? reboots? [17:00] no crashes, panics or things like that so far [17:01] cool [17:01] though my laptops graphics card is sometimes bad of heating and ends up crashing, but this isn't an issue of software [17:01] oh [17:02] bad for me :) [17:02] ya [17:08] miik, btw, there is bot udev and gvfs update today, this may fix the usb problem [17:08] s/bot/both [17:09] oh === WelshDragon is now known as YDraigGoch === YDraigGoch is now known as YDdraigGoch [17:15] What do Ubuntu developers intend to accomplish in Karmic? Where can I find an overview on that? [17:28] bullgard4, perhaps if yo clicked on the "testing" URL in the Welcome message [17:30] BluesKaj: What Welcome message do you mean? What URL? [17:33] Might have to look at the blueprints in launchpad and specs in the wiki [17:37] bullgard4, at the top of the chatpage [18:01] BluesKaj: I do not understand what do you mean by "chatpage". [18:05] bullgard4, there is a welcome message that lists kubuntu support URLs when you join the channel ..if you are running irssi then you'll have to scroll waaaay up to find it. [18:13] BluesKaj: Sure that would be in #ubuntu+1? [18:13] bullgard4, www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha2 === peterz is now known as peterz_dub [18:14] hm. [18:15] I think the latest update to udev broke this computer \o/ [18:15] oh, nope, udev start finally returned [18:22] ooo, not good. Now if I open a terminal I don't get a new bash prompt.... help! [18:30] hm, something must have got wedged in an interesting way. Rebooted and it's working... [18:33] BluesKaj: Great! This is what I was looking for. -- Thank you very much for your help. [18:35] NP :) === Darki is now known as Dark-Star [19:47] Hello everyone [19:48] where should I report a kernel panic? [19:49] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug to file a bug report or ask in #ubuntu-kernel [20:02] hi... anyone know how to get dell 1505 wireless working on karmic? [20:02] I've tried ndiswrapper in the past but it didn't work [20:02] with the drivers I was using on windows... although there are several other windows drivers included in the dell install dvd [20:02] that I haven't tried [20:02] DoYouKnow, try wicd [20:06] BluesKaj, but it's the drivers that are the problem [20:06] the generic driver is well wriiten to fit most wifi cards [20:09] what should I use for drivers for dell 1505? [20:09] hello? [20:10] BluesKaj, it's not the wireless manager that's the problem [20:10] it's the drivers [20:10] I need dell 1505 drivers [20:10] " with the drivers I was using on windows..." [20:11] sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source if its a BCM4321, it doesnt help theres alot of different cards that could be in there [20:12] DoYouKnow, just try it ..it won't break your ssytem [20:14] it didn't work [20:14] I don't even see the wireless device [20:14] I tried it and it didn't work' [20:15] di you try to set up preferences [20:16] anyone else with bug 393433 and want to confirm? tags: suspend, intel [20:16] Launchpad bug 393433 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[karmic] Restoring from suspend ends up with blank screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/393433 [20:17] BluesKaj, what will that do? [20:17] I currently don't have a working driver afaik [20:17] set up the driver and encryption [20:18] which driver? [20:21] wext [20:23] when i try to mount a cdrom, i get this error, and it doesn't mount: org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.Error.NotAuthorized: org.freedesktop.devicekit.disks.filesystem-mount no, what could it be? [20:29] is keyserver.ubuntu.com down? [20:30] I'm trying to install the driver [20:36] hey guys to days updates apparently killed my sound card ..it kicks in during boot but I get a notification from Phonon that my card does not work now [20:36] http://picpaste.com/snapshot2.png [20:38] also right click on link in xchat I get error saying "cannot find the program 'aroroa" ?? [20:39] arora [20:41] how do I get broadcom-sta working in karmic? [20:41]