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| cprofitt | #startmeeting | 23:01 |
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| MootBot | Meeting started at 17:01. The chair is cprofitt. | 23:01 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 23:01 |
| pleia2 | thanks cprofitt | 23:01 |
| cprofitt | Welcome to the Ubuntu Learning Project Meeting | 23:01 |
| cprofitt | roll call please -- just say here | 23:02 |
| pleia2 | here | 23:02 |
| doctormo | here | 23:03 |
| DougieRichardson | here | 23:03 |
| cprofitt | thank you... | 23:03 |
| cprofitt | [TOPIC]Licensing | 23:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Licensing | 23:03 |
| doctormo | Still waiting on SFLC, they have been contacted right? | 23:04 |
| pleia2 | still paused, I spoke with dinda a couple days ago and gave her the email addys of all of the board members | 23:04 |
| cprofitt | has there been any progress on this? Has anyone contacted the SFLC? | 23:04 |
| pleia2 | doctormo: not contacted, we're waiting for the intro from Canonical | 23:04 |
| doctormo | Is it worth going to them directly? | 23:04 |
| cprofitt | thanks pleia2 | 23:04 |
| cprofitt | I really have to reiterate that before we can move forward we have to have this part nailed down | 23:05 |
| cprofitt | it impacts learners, instructors and other potential users of the courseware | 23:05 |
| * pleia2 nods | 23:06 | |
| doctormo | cprofitt: AFAIC it's pretty much was nailed by the position of canonical resourcing and their no NC previso. | 23:06 |
| cprofitt | [TOPIC] Approval Process for Courses | 23:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Approval Process for Courses | 23:06 |
| cprofitt | This is a hold over topic from three weeks ago... | 23:06 |
| popey | here | 23:06 |
| cprofitt | and it really depends on what our structure ends up being | 23:06 |
| pleia2 | last week we said it was paused until we get governance sorted | 23:06 |
| cprofitt | but I think we need to work on an approval process for courses... | 23:07 |
| cprofitt | review the content... quality, accuracy, etc. | 23:07 |
| doctormo | It's shouldn't be too hard, we'd need agreement from Vantrax and bodi on these issue though | 23:07 |
| cprofitt | doctormo, on the NC part? | 23:08 |
| doctormo | OK do we have a staging site, or a source repository where this stuff is then compiled into moodle courses? | 23:08 |
| bodhi_zazen | :) | 23:08 |
| cprofitt | I believe bodhi_zazen has a staging site | 23:08 |
| doctormo | No on the governance | 23:08 |
| cprofitt | bodhi_zazen, is that accuracy? | 23:08 |
| cprofitt | doctormo, we are not on the governance discussion yet | 23:08 |
| cprofitt | still on approval | 23:08 |
| cprofitt | it was more of a 'Hey, lets think about this' | 23:09 |
| cprofitt | than an action style item | 23:09 |
| cprofitt | [TOPIC] Structure | 23:09 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Structure | 23:09 |
| cprofitt | Last meeting a draft page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Structure - was put up | 23:09 |
| cprofitt | and people were asked to contribute their thoughts to what they wanted the structure to be... | 23:09 |
| cprofitt | there have been no modifications to this page | 23:09 |
| cprofitt | so I will ask again the people contribute their thoughts to this page | 23:10 |
| cprofitt | currently we have a board, but nothing else beyond that for strucutre | 23:10 |
| popey | the page isnt exactly very explanitory | 23:10 |
| cprofitt | we need to have a method / process for approval of new members | 23:10 |
| cprofitt | we are willing to entertain alternate leadership structures | 23:10 |
| pleia2 | cprofitt: maybe you can send an email to the list with that link and more details asking for contributions? | 23:10 |
| popey | pleia2: +1 | 23:11 |
| cprofitt | popey, yes... I made it very open on that account | 23:11 |
| cprofitt | I did not want to 'limit' | 23:11 |
| cprofitt | is the mailing list functional now? | 23:11 |
| pleia2 | yes | 23:11 |
| popey | you dont have to limit, just set expectations | 23:11 |
| pleia2 | that's what I send the meeting reminder out on :) | 23:11 |
| pleia2 | s/send/sent | 23:11 |
| cprofitt | popey, I do not even have expectations for this.. to be honest | 23:11 |
| bodhi_zazen | cprofitt: I have a "test" moodle server | 23:11 |
| bodhi_zazen | at learn.bodhizazen.net | 23:11 |
| cprofitt | bodhi_zazen, I thought so... | 23:11 |
| cprofitt | thanks for hosting that bodhi_zazen | 23:12 |
| pleia2 | cprofitt: I think he means expecations as far as "why do we need structure, what are our duties that require all this, etc" | 23:12 |
| doctormo | cprofitt: What kind of approval, course approval should work same as code approval, a group of commiters and anyone else can make modifications and doesn't need any say so | 23:12 |
| popey | y | 23:12 |
| popey | YES | 23:12 |
| cprofitt | I will try to take a look at how others teams are structured and point people to those examples... and give people some areas we need to build strucutre | 23:12 |
| popey | -caps | 23:12 |
| cprofitt | doctormo, well with courses there will be two parts... | 23:12 |
| cprofitt | the technical accuracy | 23:12 |
| cprofitt | and the educational quality | 23:13 |
| bodhi_zazen | team structure and governance will be more then approving courses and content | 23:13 |
| cprofitt | a course could be technically correct, but terrible at conveying the information to a new user | 23:13 |
| cprofitt | we need both | 23:13 |
| cprofitt | bodhi_zazen, I agree | 23:13 |
| popey | cprofitt: isnt that self-correcting? | 23:13 |
| popey | do the doc team do that? (I dont think so) | 23:13 |
| cprofitt | they were commenting on a different topic | 23:13 |
| bodhi_zazen | the issues come up when either there is a disagreement between members or a disruptive member | 23:13 |
| bodhi_zazen | LOL | 23:13 |
| doctormo | But we do need to consider progressibe patching and updating of all course material | 23:13 |
| cprofitt | popey, the doc team documents... | 23:13 |
| cprofitt | writing a pedagogic document people are meant to learn from goes beyond that | 23:14 |
| popey | yes, they create content in the same way you are going to do - or at least very similar? | 23:14 |
| cprofitt | you have to give people exercises and connect bits of technical knowledge to application | 23:14 |
| popey | sure | 23:14 |
| pleia2 | cprofitt: I know we want quality matieral, but I'm certainly of the camp of as much freedom and as few "hoops to jump through" to contribute as possible | 23:14 |
| cprofitt | I am not an educator, but work with them... and there is an art that elevates content to being of high value in the learning process | 23:15 |
| pleia2 | proper grammar would be neat | 23:15 |
| popey | but i dont see that there needs to be someone to sign it off any more than there is for an application which technically correctly implements a protcol, or uses a service | 23:15 |
| cprofitt | they use what they call rubrics | 23:15 |
| doctormo | pleia2: contributing shouldn't have any hoops, it's publishing that needs a couple of checks | 23:15 |
| cprofitt | I am still working on getting a curriculum writer to come on board with us | 23:15 |
| cprofitt | popey, there is a need for us to approve the course | 23:15 |
| pleia2 | doctormo: "a couple of checks" is fine but I fear too much structure will turn into an insane approval process for any course | 23:15 |
| cprofitt | as this is not being represented as a simple public wiki | 23:16 |
| popey | sounds like it could suffer from design by committee | 23:16 |
| bodhi_zazen | I think we should encourage participation but there needs to be some kind of training / education / approval process to courses | 23:16 |
| bodhi_zazen | IMO | 23:16 |
| cprofitt | it is a 'course' and the project team should have that stand for something more than "its there" | 23:16 |
| doctormo | pleia2: I'd vote down anything more than what we do in the code world for code quality, structural semblence and correctness | 23:16 |
| pleia2 | I think we just need to find a balance that yields quality material and doesn't scare off contributors | 23:16 |
| cprofitt | +1 pleia2 | 23:16 |
| bodhi_zazen | every team I know of has such things, wiki team has standards, MOTU has more formal training | 23:17 |
| cprofitt | again... I was raising this as more of an FYI -- something for us to think about | 23:17 |
| popey | ok | 23:17 |
| pleia2 | cprofitt: *nod* | 23:17 |
| Vantrax | sorry I was running late to work this mornin | 23:17 |
| Vantrax | did I miss anything particularly interesting? | 23:17 |
| doctormo | bodhi_zazen: You don't have to be in the wiki team to edit the wiki and you don't have to be a MOTU to have a PPA or LP project | 23:17 |
| bodhi_zazen | That is not the same thing doctormo | 23:18 |
| bodhi_zazen | we are not a ppa | 23:18 |
| bodhi_zazen | ppa != universe repositories | 23:18 |
| RoboNuggie | ........ thanks Pleia2 | 23:18 |
| bodhi_zazen | and the wiki team will remove poor quality pages | 23:18 |
| Vantrax | doctormo: as I understand it we have a specific outline that we want courses to be written for, and we want to keep some semblence of order and uniformity | 23:18 |
| doctormo | I know, that's why I'm suggesting a distinction be made between course creation and patching, and publication | 23:18 |
| cprofitt | Lets move on... we all have to think about course approval... and I am glad that we are thinking about it... | 23:19 |
| bodhi_zazen | I think a lack of standards or some kind of process will be problematic | 23:19 |
| cprofitt | +1 bodhi_zazen | 23:19 |
| cprofitt | we need to have high standards | 23:19 |
| doctormo | cprofitt: Can you bring this up outside of meeting too, during a hack session and we can iron out that document? | 23:19 |
| cprofitt | doctormo, yes | 23:19 |
| cprofitt | [TOPIC] Theme / Branding | 23:20 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Theme / Branding | 23:20 |
| cprofitt | http://www.professionallearningboard.com/ | 23:20 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://www.professionallearningboard.com/ | 23:20 |
| cprofitt | that is an example site of a professional Moodle site and company | 23:20 |
| bodhi_zazen | Vantrax: was working on branding, do not know if he needs assistance :) | 23:20 |
| Vantrax | lol | 23:21 |
| cprofitt | doctormo, this is your topic... | 23:21 |
| doctormo | Sure | 23:21 |
| Vantrax | mo is working on branding, im just having a go at hacking up a theme | 23:21 |
| doctormo | I've done a few bits of branding so far, people have been happy, I'd like some feedback but also | 23:21 |
| doctormo | ... I want agreement to create a few sized images, animated or not which will be used to link from people's blogs to our learning website when done | 23:22 |
| pleia2 | sounds great | 23:22 |
| doctormo | And I'll need a page, static, with which we can put all these bits and bobs on and invite community to market for us | 23:22 |
| pleia2 | (not animated please :)) | 23:22 |
| cprofitt | what are your thought on the PLB site I linked too? | 23:23 |
| cprofitt | http://www.professionallearningboard.com/ | 23:23 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://www.professionallearningboard.com/ | 23:23 |
| doctormo | It's good | 23:23 |
| doctormo | I like the basic introductory page | 23:23 |
| doctormo | Some nice big page, anyone want to go into a photo for the main index page? :-P | 23:23 |
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| cprofitt | doctormo, I would think that would be a good thing... | 23:25 |
| Vantrax | oh, good point | 23:25 |
| cprofitt | in our case I would like to see a 'student', a 'business person', a 'technican' and a 'developer' | 23:25 |
| doctormo | I have a classroom, I'll get some pictures done :-) | 23:25 |
| cprofitt | I think that would be a nice fit... yes? | 23:25 |
| Vantrax | the index page im working on rotates pictures that are in the theme folder | 23:25 |
| cprofitt | Vantrax, that would be nice too... | 23:26 |
| Vantrax | so we can put a few pictures in | 23:26 |
| doctormo | Vantrax: A lot of the moodle themes I've seen are too busy and complex | 23:26 |
| Vantrax | there are some samples in the test one | 23:26 |
| cprofitt | can we have a rotating set of images that display four at once like the PLB site? | 23:26 |
| doctormo | Vantrax: Is the base one we've got simple enough for our needs? | 23:26 |
| Vantrax | doctormo: yes | 23:26 |
| Vantrax | cprofitt: no, thats too complicated | 23:26 |
| cprofitt | really? | 23:27 |
| bodhi_zazen | could probably do it with a php script | 23:27 |
| cprofitt | I would think 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | | 23:27 |
| doctormo | Vantrax: Can we put it as an action to get together with me at a time of your choosing to get me set up with the code base and you can run me down with theme creation? | 23:27 |
| cprofitt | in a square... | 23:27 |
| doctormo | Then we can work together on it | 23:27 |
| cprofitt | have each one be a 'type' and images rotated through based on that type | 23:28 |
| Vantrax | doctormo: im putting the code base I have into ubuntu one atm | 23:28 |
| cprofitt | I did something like that in ASP.Net | 23:28 |
| Vantrax | basically its header, rotating picture, dynamic menu, then normal theme | 23:28 |
| doctormo | Vantrax: into "Ubuntu One" sharing serivce? | 23:29 |
| cprofitt | OK... that seems well in hand... | 23:29 |
| Vantrax | year | 23:29 |
| Vantrax | yer | 23:29 |
| cprofitt | [TOPIC] Co-Ordinated Release | 23:29 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Co-Ordinated Release | 23:29 |
| cprofitt | your topic again doctormo | 23:29 |
| doctormo | Any plans on releasing blog posts and other marketing push when we have the legals and theming done? | 23:30 |
| doctormo | We can't release after we have content, but we do need to think about talking to the wider community and getting them involved. | 23:30 |
| pleia2 | my work so far has centered around contacting and discussing with existing teams in Ubuntu | 23:30 |
| pleia2 | (which created the contact list on the front page) | 23:30 |
| cprofitt | I think, on a quick take, that we have two release points... | 23:31 |
| cprofitt | 1) Ready for contributors | 23:31 |
| cprofitt | 2) Ready for learners (actual release) | 23:31 |
| Vantrax | cprofitt: +1 | 23:31 |
| doctormo | cprofitt: +1 | 23:31 |
| Vantrax | soon as we have a theme running we can do the announcment for contributors | 23:31 |
| doctormo | I'm taking about ready for contributors | 23:31 |
| * Vantrax is sorry for holding that up | 23:32 | |
| doctormo | No we need legal too | 23:32 |
| pleia2 | Vantrax: you still have a blog entry queued up for release when we're sorted legally, right? | 23:32 |
| cprofitt | for that we need to get all the legal stuff settled | 23:32 |
| cprofitt | so we know what license(s) we will accept | 23:32 |
| Vantrax | yes pleia2 | 23:32 |
| cprofitt | there may be some leeway in allowing authors to choose within certain licenses | 23:32 |
| cprofitt | or there may not be | 23:32 |
| * DougieRichardson waves to dinda | 23:33 | |
| cprofitt | until we know that it would be difficult to 'recruit' authors | 23:33 |
| * dinda waves to Dougie et al | 23:33 | |
| cprofitt | I also think we have our training course (uploaded already) tested and ready to run | 23:33 |
| cprofitt | other thoughts? | 23:34 |
| bodhi_zazen | +1 | 23:34 |
| * cprofitt waves to dinda | 23:34 | |
| doctormo | cprofitt: Need all core members trained on that, see next entry | 23:34 |
| bodhi_zazen | we can make a "Sandbox" on the test server | 23:34 |
| MontelEdwards | what meeting is this? | 23:34 |
| dinda | I highly recommend a sandbox | 23:34 |
| doctormo | MontelEdwards: Ubuntu Community Learning Project | 23:35 |
| cprofitt | so... we really need to have Canonical (aka dinda) get us introduced to SFLC | 23:35 |
| RoboNuggie | Will the training course be accredited in any way? | 23:35 |
| MontelEdwards | doctormo, oh, i see. | 23:35 |
| dinda | I've learned a great deal just this last week playing in our Moodle sandbox | 23:35 |
| bodhi_zazen | I will set up a sandbox on the test server then ;) | 23:35 |
| doctormo | RoboNuggie: No | 23:35 |
| dinda | cprofitt: I sent the email back to our attorney asking for the invite but then our attorney went on holiday for a week | 23:35 |
| cprofitt | dinda, ok... thanks | 23:36 |
| cprofitt | I guess even lawyers are allowed time off | 23:36 |
| cprofitt | :-) | 23:36 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 23:36 |
| doctormo | dinda: Is it worth getting in touch with them directly? | 23:36 |
| Vantrax | RoboNuggie: that is the reason for canonical's training | 23:36 |
| dinda | yeah lots of folks slacking off this week | 23:36 |
| cprofitt | [TOPIC] Core Staff | 23:36 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Core Staff | 23:36 |
| cprofitt | I have one serious question under this topic... | 23:37 |
| dinda | doctormo: yes, you are free to contact them directly | 23:37 |
| doctormo | dinda: Aye free to, but is it a good idea | 23:37 |
| cprofitt | we do not have a structure or policy yet for members... but I think we need to consider dropping everyone that has not been active in these meetings... | 23:37 |
| cprofitt | from the 'TEAM' | 23:37 |
| dinda | doctormo: can't see why not, you don't have to go any further than asking them basic questions, seeing if its worth prusuing | 23:37 |
| cprofitt | and then when we develop a process for membership we can invite people to join | 23:38 |
| cprofitt | I think we were far too loose with that in the first place | 23:38 |
| bodhi_zazen | cprofitt: are you suggesting that people need to make a certain number of meetings to be members of the team ? | 23:38 |
| cprofitt | though that will be tough to correct for fear of bent feelings | 23:38 |
| dinda | cprofitt: you might want to think about a tiered system ala the doc team. . . and others | 23:38 |
| cprofitt | bodhi_zazen, no | 23:38 |
| cprofitt | I am not suggesting that at all. | 23:38 |
| * bodhi_zazen listens | 23:38 | |
| cprofitt | I am suggesting that currently we have members that have not been involved in anyway | 23:38 |
| cprofitt | and we have no structure for members | 23:39 |
| doctormo | I would not remove people fromt he 'team', there is no such thing | 23:39 |
| bodhi_zazen | yes, that will be an issue with any volunteer team :) | 23:39 |
| dinda | there's a larger public group all can join, then more limited leadership or steering teams with 'commit' access or other | 23:39 |
| doctormo | There is no such thing as members | 23:39 |
| cprofitt | so it may be best to drop all of them... (launchpad) | 23:39 |
| doctormo | dinda: +1 | 23:39 |
| cprofitt | and then after we setup the structure we can follow it to have 'members' | 23:39 |
| pleia2 | dinda: +1 | 23:39 |
| cprofitt | dinda, that would be a good suggestion too... | 23:39 |
| cprofitt | not removing, but form different upper level teams | 23:39 |
| cprofitt | for now the only other level would be 'board' | 23:40 |
| doctormo | ubuntu-learning-commitors? | 23:40 |
| cprofitt | we may eventually need (when we have it set) Authors, Instructors, Reviewers... | 23:40 |
| bodhi_zazen | I like dinda's general suggestion, call it what you want doctormo "team" "members" "elite" what have you | 23:40 |
| cprofitt | we have time to come up with the titles... | 23:40 |
| bodhi_zazen | +1 ; team structure FTW | 23:41 |
| cprofitt | but we need to be more careful in the future... and the team must follow any guidelines we establish for membership | 23:41 |
| dinda | cprofitt: were you worried that absent members might hurt the group somehow? | 23:41 |
| doctormo | cprofitt: I don't believe that we have made an error in the past | 23:41 |
| pleia2 | cprofitt: this is probably all related to our Structure document that we're going to follow up with on-list | 23:41 |
| cprofitt | dinda, it is not about absent members | 23:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | we are unlikely to come up with a document that will not need to be revised cprofitt | 23:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | keep it general | 23:41 |
| cprofitt | but we will have people that have more specific skills | 23:41 |
| cprofitt | like bug-control | 23:41 |
| cprofitt | bodhi_zazen, I agree revision appears to happen even in countries several hundred years old... we will be no different | 23:42 |
| dinda | I've found it harder to setup proper 'roles' in the Moodle system than others I've worked with. . . | 23:42 |
| cprofitt | I would not want a person that has authored no courses being put on the 'authors' team | 23:42 |
| bodhi_zazen | but there needs to be roles defied and a process for attaining and if necessary removing people from roles 9either they give the post up, move on, absence, disruptive, etc, etc) | 23:42 |
| cprofitt | +1 bodhi_zazen | 23:43 |
| dinda | it's been tricky to give folks the proper system level vs. course level roles in order to do what they need in the system | 23:43 |
| bodhi_zazen | I suggest we start with a few "basics" | 23:43 |
| cprofitt | that is all I am talking about... sorry if my language does not convey my meaning accurately | 23:43 |
| cprofitt | I see this team being more like bug-control | 23:43 |
| dinda | so you might want to think about how roles map to membership | 23:43 |
| bodhi_zazen | authors, instructors, steudent, admins | 23:43 |
| cprofitt | with a central team (for those interested) and specialized teams that membership is attained and reviewed in | 23:44 |
| dinda | correct, the ones I've struggled with are course creator and non-editing teacher | 23:44 |
| bodhi_zazen | how so dinda ? | 23:44 |
| dinda | I wanted to have course creators make the courses but not be the instructor/teacher | 23:44 |
| dinda | it turns out if I gave folks that role then they couldn't see certain key files | 23:44 |
| cprofitt | dinda, that is possible | 23:45 |
| cprofitt | I will ask the PLB folks for some advice | 23:45 |
| dinda | I ended up having to make almost everyone, including course reviewers a temporary instructor | 23:45 |
| cprofitt | dinda, in case you missed the link - http://www.professionallearningboard.com/ | 23:45 |
| doctormo | Student, Teacher? All teachers are students and visa versa, that role is redundent I think. | 23:45 |
| cprofitt | I wrote a course for them over a year ago and they have authors and instructors... as two different groups | 23:45 |
| Vantrax | i think that is a good idea cprofitt | 23:45 |
| pleia2 | doctormo: officially within moodle there are defined roles | 23:46 |
| dinda | doctormo: true, but each role means something different for Moodle | 23:46 |
| cprofitt | doctormo, not in terms of a moodle course | 23:46 |
| doctormo | Aye, this is a problem we will have for moodle | 23:46 |
| bodhi_zazen | LOL doctormo | 23:46 |
| Vantrax | I know a few people that will write, but dont want to actually instruct and vice versa | 23:46 |
| cprofitt | you do not want a 'student' modifying the course | 23:46 |
| cprofitt | Vantrax, exactly | 23:46 |
| cprofitt | some people may have the time to be an instructor, but not feel they have the skill to write a course | 23:46 |
| doctormo | Of course, no one should be able to create courses but for those in the commitors/authors team | 23:46 |
| cprofitt | and others have the ability to write a course but not be an instructor | 23:46 |
| cprofitt | I will ask PLB | 23:47 |
| cprofitt | [ACTION] cprofitt to ask PLB how to make instructors and authors as two different groups | 23:47 |
| bodhi_zazen | doctormo: well that is what we are discussing, or are you suggesting students have admin and teaching responsibilities as well ? | 23:47 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: cprofitt to ask PLB how to make instructors and authors as two different groups | 23:47 |
| bodhi_zazen | there really need to be some kind of structure, a free for all will not work | 23:47 |
| cprofitt | [TOPIC] Open Floor | 23:48 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open Floor | 23:48 |
| dinda | cprofitt: that is supposedly the role of course creator - to design/develop but not teach a course | 23:48 |
| doctormo | bodhi_zazen: My problem would be if students did not have access to the entire course material in order for them to take up teaching | 23:48 |
| cprofitt | we have 13 minutes left... | 23:48 |
| doctormo | I would like annon teaching | 23:48 |
| cprofitt | does anyone have any other topics they wish to have addressed? | 23:48 |
| doctormo | cprofitt: yes, my last entry on the agenda | 23:48 |
| bodhi_zazen | ro access is not the same as rw access and to be honest I do not know the roles in moodle that well | 23:48 |
| bodhi_zazen | you can make custom roles or curtomize existing ones | 23:49 |
| cprofitt | that was our last topic doctormo | 23:49 |
| dinda | fyi: http://www.goshen.edu/moodle/index.html | 23:49 |
| dinda | the next upcoming Moodle Moot - I'm considering going | 23:49 |
| cprofitt | please feel free to address it more... as I appeared to hi-jack it on you | 23:49 |
| doctormo | What about the one detailing how we are going to teach each other all required things, such as the moodle course it's self and other useful stuff? | 23:49 |
| pleia2 | dinda: northern indiana? sigh :) | 23:49 |
| * pleia2 wants to go somewhere exciting! | 23:50 | |
| dinda | pleia2: tell me about it - i was hoping for the bahamas or something nice ;) | 23:50 |
| bodhi_zazen | doctormo: I think the whole project is quite large, and thus a team effort will be required :) | 23:50 |
| bodhi_zazen | Does anyone have any thoughts one way or another about moving to hosting with Canonical ? | 23:51 |
| bodhi_zazen | Rather then my server ? | 23:51 |
| doctormo | bodhi_zazen: Don't do it! It's a trap! :-D | 23:51 |
| dinda | lol | 23:51 |
| bodhi_zazen | That is what I thought doctormo :) | 23:52 |
| dinda | bodhi_zazen: you might want to make a list of pros and cons | 23:52 |
| bodhi_zazen | the questions would be: | 23:52 |
| doctormo | bodhi_zazen: Moving to Canonical hosting would force our legal hand, we wouldn't be allowed NC. | 23:52 |
| pleia2 | doctormo: what? | 23:52 |
| bodhi_zazen | 1. may be require for learn.ubuntu.com | 23:52 |
| dinda | would also need to have roles in Moodle defined as clearly as possible | 23:52 |
| pleia2 | doctormo: canonical doesn't care about our license | 23:52 |
| bodhi_zazen | there is that too doctormo | 23:52 |
| doctormo | dinda: Can you confirm, I thought the policy was no restrictive content hosting. | 23:52 |
| bodhi_zazen | 2. Would be access to server (ie root) | 23:53 |
| bodhi_zazen | root access is probably extremely helpful as we get set up | 23:53 |
| dinda | doctormo: elmo recommended (with his ex-cc hat) that the license be cc-by-sa | 23:53 |
| bodhi_zazen | Once we are up and established, probably not as critical | 23:53 |
| pleia2 | bodhi_zazen: oh, have you had your meeting with the sysadmins yet? | 23:53 |
| bodhi_zazen | no not yet :) | 23:54 |
| pleia2 | I think we should hold off some discussion until questions asked at our last meeting are answered :) | 23:54 |
| pleia2 | so we're not all sitting around speculating further | 23:54 |
| doctormo | dinda: So I was mistaken? I thought there was a question over weather none open source content was permitted. Seemed it wasn't. | 23:54 |
| dinda | would recommend getting the policies for Moodle roles and also theme, other global settings changed. | 23:54 |
| bodhi_zazen | I did get an offer to assist with sys admin, which is awesome | 23:54 |
| cprofitt | I agree... we need to get the legal questions answered | 23:54 |
| cprofitt | debates and speculation between us do not move us forward | 23:55 |
| dinda | I put in a request on our server to have the Book Module installed and no idea when that might happen | 23:55 |
| dinda | so admin requests can be really slow once the system in under Canonical control | 23:55 |
| bodhi_zazen | That would be the downside of moving to Canonical hosting ^^ | 23:55 |
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| dinda | bodhi_zazen: if you know anything about which modules you would also want installed that would be helpful too | 23:56 |
| bodhi_zazen | we would not be able to change as fast if you wanted various features, such as openid or Book module, etc | 23:56 |
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| bodhi_zazen | dinda: I do not think we know yet :) | 23:56 |
| bodhi_zazen | My opinion would be to keep our server for now, and when we are up and running, know what we want, and are ready for learn.ubuntu.com => migrate | 23:57 |
| bodhi_zazen | there is a lot of work to be done to get to that point, IMO | 23:57 |
| dinda | bodhi_zazen: would best if you had a full setup you could migrate over, rather than starting from a fresh install | 23:57 |
| bodhi_zazen | +1 dinda | 23:58 |
| pleia2 | +1 | 23:58 |
| cprofitt | I think proper planning and a staging server can make the 'delay' factor not an issue | 23:58 |
| bodhi_zazen | key is proper planning cprofitt :) | 23:58 |
| doctormo | +1 bodhi_zazen | 23:58 |
| dinda | bodhi_zazen: and if you have any knowledge of modules that do revision control, I'm all ears! | 23:58 |
| bodhi_zazen | you mean for moodle ? | 23:59 |
| doctormo | dinda: Dn't you have a whole team that does bzr development there at Canonical? | 23:59 |
| bodhi_zazen | svn :) | 23:59 |
| cprofitt | #endmeeting | 23:59 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 17:59. | 23:59 |
| cprofitt | thanks for coming everyone... we are at the end of our official meeting. | 23:59 |
| doctormo | Good meeting I thought | 23:59 |
| cprofitt | please bring further discussion to #ubuntu-learning | 23:59 |
| dinda | thanks, keep up the good work all! | 23:59 |
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