[23:01]  * doctormo waves
[23:01] <cprofitt> #startmeeting
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[23:01] <pleia2> thanks cprofitt
[23:01] <cprofitt> Welcome to the Ubuntu Learning Project Meeting
[23:02] <cprofitt> roll call please -- just say here
[23:02] <pleia2> here
[23:03] <doctormo> here
[23:03] <DougieRichardson> here
[23:03] <cprofitt> thank you...
[23:03] <cprofitt> [TOPIC]Licensing
[23:03] <MootBot> New Topic: Licensing
[23:04] <doctormo> Still waiting on SFLC, they have been contacted right?
[23:04] <pleia2> still paused, I spoke with dinda a couple days ago and gave her the email addys of all of the board members
[23:04] <cprofitt> has there been any progress on this? Has anyone contacted the SFLC?
[23:04] <pleia2> doctormo: not contacted, we're waiting for the intro from Canonical
[23:04] <doctormo> Is it worth going to them directly?
[23:04] <cprofitt> thanks pleia2
[23:05] <cprofitt> I really have to reiterate that before we can move forward we have to have this part nailed down
[23:05] <cprofitt> it impacts learners, instructors and other potential users of the courseware
[23:06]  * pleia2 nods
[23:06] <doctormo> cprofitt: AFAIC it's pretty much was nailed by the position of canonical resourcing and their no NC previso.
[23:06] <cprofitt> [TOPIC] Approval Process for Courses
[23:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Approval Process for Courses
[23:06] <cprofitt> This is a hold over topic from three weeks ago...
[23:06] <popey> here
[23:06] <cprofitt> and it really depends on what our structure ends up being
[23:06] <pleia2> last week we said it was paused until we get governance sorted
[23:07] <cprofitt> but I think we need to work on an approval process for courses...
[23:07] <cprofitt> review the content... quality, accuracy, etc.
[23:07] <doctormo> It's shouldn't be too hard, we'd need agreement from Vantrax and bodi on these issue though
[23:08] <cprofitt> doctormo, on the NC part?
[23:08] <doctormo> OK do we have a staging site, or a source repository where this stuff is then compiled into moodle courses?
[23:08] <bodhi_zazen> :)
[23:08] <cprofitt> I believe bodhi_zazen has a staging site
[23:08] <doctormo> No on the governance
[23:08] <cprofitt> bodhi_zazen, is that accuracy?
[23:08] <cprofitt> doctormo, we are not on the governance discussion yet
[23:08] <cprofitt> still on approval
[23:09] <cprofitt> it was more of a 'Hey, lets think about this'
[23:09] <cprofitt> than an action style item
[23:09] <cprofitt> [TOPIC] Structure
[23:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Structure
[23:09] <cprofitt> Last meeting a draft page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Structure - was put up
[23:09] <cprofitt> and people were asked to contribute their thoughts to what they wanted the structure to be...
[23:09] <cprofitt> there have been no modifications to this page
[23:10] <cprofitt> so I will ask again the people contribute their thoughts to this page
[23:10] <cprofitt> currently we have a board, but nothing else beyond that for strucutre
[23:10] <popey> the page isnt exactly very explanitory
[23:10] <cprofitt> we need to have a method / process for approval of new members
[23:10] <cprofitt> we are willing to entertain alternate leadership structures
[23:10] <pleia2> cprofitt: maybe you can send an email to the list with that link and more details asking for contributions?
[23:11] <popey> pleia2: +1
[23:11] <cprofitt> popey, yes... I made it very open on that account
[23:11] <cprofitt> I did not want to 'limit'
[23:11] <cprofitt> is the mailing list functional now?
[23:11] <pleia2> yes
[23:11] <popey> you dont have to limit, just set expectations
[23:11] <pleia2> that's what I send the meeting reminder out on :)
[23:11] <pleia2> s/send/sent
[23:11] <cprofitt> popey, I do not even have expectations for this.. to be honest
[23:11] <bodhi_zazen> cprofitt: I have a "test" moodle server
[23:11] <bodhi_zazen> at learn.bodhizazen.net
[23:11] <cprofitt> bodhi_zazen, I thought so...
[23:12] <cprofitt> thanks for hosting that bodhi_zazen
[23:12] <pleia2> cprofitt: I think he means expecations as far as "why do we need structure, what are our duties that require all this, etc"
[23:12] <doctormo> cprofitt: What kind of approval, course approval should work same as code approval, a group of commiters and anyone else can make modifications and doesn't need any say so
[23:12] <popey> y
[23:12] <popey> YES
[23:12] <cprofitt> I will try to take a look at how others teams are structured and point people to those examples... and give people some areas we need to build strucutre
[23:12] <popey> -caps
[23:12] <cprofitt> doctormo, well with courses there will be two parts...
[23:12] <cprofitt> the technical accuracy
[23:13] <cprofitt> and the educational quality
[23:13] <bodhi_zazen> team structure and governance will be more then approving courses and content
[23:13] <cprofitt> a course could be technically correct, but terrible at conveying the information to a new user
[23:13] <cprofitt> we need both
[23:13] <cprofitt> bodhi_zazen, I agree
[23:13] <popey> cprofitt: isnt that self-correcting?
[23:13] <popey> do the doc team do that? (I dont think so)
[23:13] <cprofitt> they were commenting on a different topic
[23:13] <bodhi_zazen> the issues come up when either there is a disagreement between members or a disruptive member
[23:13] <bodhi_zazen> LOL
[23:13] <doctormo> But we do need to consider progressibe patching and updating of all course material
[23:13] <cprofitt> popey, the doc team documents...
[23:14] <cprofitt> writing a pedagogic document people are meant to learn from goes beyond that
[23:14] <popey> yes, they create content in the same way you are going to do - or at least very similar?
[23:14] <cprofitt> you have to give people exercises and connect bits of technical knowledge to application
[23:14] <popey> sure
[23:14] <pleia2> cprofitt: I know we want quality matieral, but I'm certainly of the camp of as much freedom and as few "hoops to jump through" to contribute as possible
[23:15] <cprofitt> I am not an educator, but work with them... and there is an art that elevates content to being of high value in the learning process
[23:15] <pleia2> proper grammar would be neat
[23:15] <popey> but i dont see that there needs to be someone to sign it off any more than there is for an application which technically correctly implements a protcol, or uses a service
[23:15] <cprofitt> they use what they call rubrics
[23:15] <doctormo> pleia2: contributing shouldn't have any hoops, it's publishing that needs a couple of checks
[23:15] <cprofitt> I am still working on getting a curriculum writer to come on board with us
[23:15] <cprofitt> popey, there is a need for us to approve the course
[23:15] <pleia2> doctormo: "a couple of checks" is fine but I fear too much structure will turn into an insane approval process for any course
[23:16] <cprofitt> as this is not being represented as a simple public wiki
[23:16] <popey> sounds like it could suffer from design by committee
[23:16] <bodhi_zazen> I think we should encourage participation but there needs to be some kind of training / education / approval process to courses
[23:16] <bodhi_zazen> IMO
[23:16] <cprofitt> it is a 'course' and the project team should have that stand for something more than "its there"
[23:16] <doctormo> pleia2: I'd vote down anything more than what we do in the code world for code quality, structural semblence and correctness
[23:16] <pleia2> I think we just need to find a balance that yields quality material and doesn't scare off contributors
[23:16] <cprofitt> +1 pleia2
[23:17] <bodhi_zazen> every team I know of has such things, wiki team has standards, MOTU has more formal training
[23:17] <cprofitt> again... I was raising this as more of an FYI -- something for us to think about
[23:17] <popey> ok
[23:17] <pleia2> cprofitt: *nod*
[23:17] <Vantrax> sorry I was running late to work this mornin
[23:17] <Vantrax> did I miss anything particularly interesting?
[23:17] <doctormo> bodhi_zazen: You don't have to be in the wiki team to edit the wiki and you don't have to be a MOTU to have a PPA or LP project
[23:18] <bodhi_zazen> That is not the same thing doctormo
[23:18] <bodhi_zazen> we are not a ppa
[23:18] <bodhi_zazen> ppa != universe repositories
[23:18] <RoboNuggie> ........ thanks Pleia2
[23:18] <bodhi_zazen> and the wiki team will remove poor quality pages
[23:18] <Vantrax> doctormo: as I understand it we have a specific outline that we want courses to be written for, and we want to keep some semblence of order and uniformity
[23:18] <doctormo> I know, that's why I'm suggesting a distinction be made between course creation and patching, and publication
[23:19] <cprofitt> Lets move on... we all have to think about course approval... and I am glad that we are thinking about it...
[23:19] <bodhi_zazen> I think a lack of standards or some kind of process will be problematic
[23:19] <cprofitt> +1 bodhi_zazen
[23:19] <cprofitt> we need to have high standards
[23:19] <doctormo> cprofitt: Can you bring this up outside of meeting too, during a hack session and we can iron out that document?
[23:19] <cprofitt> doctormo, yes
[23:20] <cprofitt> [TOPIC] Theme / Branding
[23:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Theme / Branding
[23:20] <cprofitt> http://www.professionallearningboard.com/
[23:20] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.professionallearningboard.com/
[23:20] <cprofitt> that is an example site of a professional Moodle site and company
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> Vantrax: was working on branding, do not know if he needs assistance :)
[23:21] <Vantrax> lol
[23:21] <cprofitt> doctormo, this is your topic...
[23:21] <doctormo> Sure
[23:21] <Vantrax> mo is working on branding, im just having a go at hacking up a theme
[23:21] <doctormo> I've done a few bits of branding so far, people have been happy, I'd like some feedback but also
[23:22] <doctormo> ... I want agreement to create a few sized images, animated or not which will be used to link from people's blogs to our learning website when done
[23:22] <pleia2> sounds great
[23:22] <doctormo> And I'll need a page, static, with which we can put all these bits and bobs on and invite community to market for us
[23:22] <pleia2> (not animated please :))
[23:23] <cprofitt> what are your thought on the PLB site I linked too?
[23:23] <cprofitt> http://www.professionallearningboard.com/
[23:23] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.professionallearningboard.com/
[23:23] <doctormo> It's good
[23:23] <doctormo> I like the basic introductory page
[23:23] <doctormo> Some nice big page, anyone want to go into a photo for the main index page? :-P
[23:25] <cprofitt> doctormo, I would think that would be a good thing...
[23:25] <Vantrax> oh, good point
[23:25] <cprofitt> in our case I would like to see a 'student', a 'business person', a 'technican' and a 'developer'
[23:25] <doctormo> I have a classroom, I'll get some pictures done :-)
[23:25] <cprofitt> I think that would be a nice fit... yes?
[23:25] <Vantrax> the index page im working on rotates pictures that are in the theme folder
[23:26] <cprofitt> Vantrax, that would be nice too...
[23:26] <Vantrax> so we can put a few pictures in
[23:26] <doctormo> Vantrax: A lot of the moodle themes I've seen are too busy and complex
[23:26] <Vantrax> there are some samples in the test one
[23:26] <cprofitt> can we have a rotating set of images that display four at once like the PLB site?
[23:26] <doctormo> Vantrax: Is the base one we've got simple enough for our needs?
[23:26] <Vantrax> doctormo: yes
[23:26] <Vantrax> cprofitt: no, thats too complicated
[23:27] <cprofitt> really?
[23:27] <bodhi_zazen> could probably do it with a php script
[23:27] <cprofitt> I would think 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 |
[23:27] <doctormo> Vantrax: Can we put it as an action to get together with me at a time of your choosing to get me set up with the code base and you can run me down with theme creation?
[23:27] <cprofitt> in a square...
[23:27] <doctormo> Then we can work together on it
[23:28] <cprofitt> have each one be a 'type' and images rotated through based on that type
[23:28] <Vantrax> doctormo: im putting the code base I have into ubuntu one atm
[23:28] <cprofitt> I did something like that in ASP.Net
[23:28] <Vantrax> basically its header, rotating picture, dynamic menu, then normal theme
[23:29] <doctormo> Vantrax: into "Ubuntu One" sharing serivce?
[23:29] <cprofitt> OK... that seems well in hand...
[23:29] <Vantrax> year
[23:29] <Vantrax> yer
[23:29] <cprofitt> [TOPIC] Co-Ordinated Release
[23:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Co-Ordinated Release
[23:29] <cprofitt> your topic again doctormo
[23:30] <doctormo> Any plans on releasing blog posts and other marketing push when we have the legals and theming done?
[23:30] <doctormo> We can't release after we have content, but we do need to think about talking to the wider community and getting them involved.
[23:30] <pleia2> my work so far has centered around contacting and discussing with existing teams in Ubuntu
[23:30] <pleia2> (which created the contact list on the front page)
[23:31] <cprofitt> I think, on a quick take, that we have two release points...
[23:31] <cprofitt> 1)  Ready for contributors
[23:31] <cprofitt> 2)  Ready for learners (actual release)
[23:31] <Vantrax> cprofitt: +1
[23:31] <doctormo> cprofitt: +1
[23:31] <Vantrax> soon as we have a theme running we can do the announcment for contributors
[23:31] <doctormo> I'm taking about ready for contributors
[23:32]  * Vantrax is sorry for holding that up
[23:32] <doctormo> No we need legal too
[23:32] <pleia2> Vantrax: you still have a blog entry queued up for release when we're sorted legally, right?
[23:32] <cprofitt> for that we need to get all the legal stuff settled
[23:32] <cprofitt> so we know what license(s) we will accept
[23:32] <Vantrax> yes pleia2
[23:32] <cprofitt> there may be some leeway in allowing authors to choose within certain licenses
[23:32] <cprofitt> or there may not be
[23:33]  * DougieRichardson waves to dinda
[23:33] <cprofitt> until we know that it would be difficult to 'recruit' authors
[23:33]  * dinda waves to Dougie et al
[23:33] <cprofitt> I also think we have our training course (uploaded already) tested and ready to run
[23:34] <cprofitt> other thoughts?
[23:34] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[23:34]  * cprofitt waves to dinda 
[23:34] <doctormo> cprofitt: Need all core members trained on that, see next entry
[23:34] <bodhi_zazen> we can make a "Sandbox" on the test server
[23:34] <MontelEdwards> what meeting is this?
[23:34] <dinda> I highly recommend a sandbox
[23:35] <doctormo> MontelEdwards: Ubuntu Community Learning Project
[23:35] <cprofitt> so... we really need to have Canonical (aka dinda) get us introduced to SFLC
[23:35] <RoboNuggie> Will the training course be accredited in any way?
[23:35] <MontelEdwards> doctormo, oh, i see.
[23:35] <dinda> I've learned a great deal just this last week playing in our Moodle sandbox
[23:35] <bodhi_zazen> I will set up a sandbox on the test server then ;)
[23:35] <doctormo> RoboNuggie: No
[23:35] <dinda> cprofitt: I sent the email back to our attorney asking for the invite but then our attorney went on holiday for a week
[23:36] <cprofitt> dinda, ok... thanks
[23:36] <cprofitt> I guess even lawyers are allowed time off
[23:36] <cprofitt> :-)
[23:36] <pleia2> hehe
[23:36] <doctormo> dinda: Is it worth getting in touch with them directly?
[23:36] <Vantrax> RoboNuggie: that is the reason for canonical's training
[23:36] <dinda> yeah lots of folks slacking off this week
[23:36] <cprofitt> [TOPIC] Core Staff
[23:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  Core Staff
[23:37] <cprofitt> I have one serious question under this topic...
[23:37] <dinda> doctormo: yes, you are free to contact them directly
[23:37] <doctormo> dinda: Aye free to, but is it a good idea
[23:37] <cprofitt> we do not have a structure or policy yet for members... but I think we need to consider dropping everyone that has not been active in these meetings...
[23:37] <cprofitt> from the 'TEAM'
[23:37] <dinda> doctormo: can't see why not, you don't have to go any further than asking them basic questions, seeing if its worth prusuing
[23:38] <cprofitt> and then when we develop a process for membership we can invite people to join
[23:38] <cprofitt> I think we were far too loose with that in the first place
[23:38] <bodhi_zazen> cprofitt: are you suggesting that people need to make a certain number of meetings to be members of the team ?
[23:38] <cprofitt> though that will be tough to correct for fear of bent feelings
[23:38] <dinda> cprofitt: you might want to think about a tiered system ala the doc team. . . and others
[23:38] <cprofitt> bodhi_zazen, no
[23:38] <cprofitt> I am not suggesting that at all.
[23:38]  * bodhi_zazen listens
[23:38] <cprofitt> I am suggesting that currently we have members that have not been involved in anyway
[23:39] <cprofitt> and we have no structure for members
[23:39] <doctormo> I would not remove people fromt he 'team', there is no such thing
[23:39] <bodhi_zazen> yes, that will be an issue with any volunteer team :)
[23:39] <dinda> there's a larger public group all can join, then more limited leadership or steering teams with 'commit' access or other
[23:39] <doctormo> There is no such thing as members
[23:39] <cprofitt> so it may be best to drop all of them... (launchpad)
[23:39] <doctormo> dinda: +1
[23:39] <cprofitt> and then after we setup the structure we can follow it to have 'members'
[23:39] <pleia2> dinda: +1
[23:39] <cprofitt> dinda, that would be a good suggestion too...
[23:39] <cprofitt> not removing, but form different upper level teams
[23:40] <cprofitt> for now the only other level would be 'board'
[23:40] <doctormo> ubuntu-learning-commitors?
[23:40] <cprofitt> we may eventually need (when we have it set) Authors, Instructors, Reviewers...
[23:40] <bodhi_zazen> I like dinda's general suggestion, call it what you want doctormo "team" "members" "elite" what have you
[23:40] <cprofitt> we have time to come up with the titles...
[23:41] <bodhi_zazen> +1 ; team structure FTW
[23:41] <cprofitt> but we need to be more careful in the future... and the team must follow any guidelines we establish for membership
[23:41] <dinda> cprofitt: were you worried that absent members might hurt the group somehow?
[23:41] <doctormo> cprofitt: I don't believe that we have made an error in the past
[23:41] <pleia2> cprofitt: this is probably all related to our Structure document that we're going to follow up with on-list
[23:41] <cprofitt> dinda, it is not about absent members
[23:41] <bodhi_zazen> we are unlikely to come up with a document that will not need to be revised cprofitt
[23:41] <bodhi_zazen> keep it general
[23:41] <cprofitt> but we will have people that have more specific skills
[23:41] <cprofitt> like bug-control
[23:42] <cprofitt> bodhi_zazen, I agree revision appears to happen even in countries several hundred years old... we will be no different
[23:42] <dinda> I've found it harder to setup proper 'roles' in the Moodle system than others I've worked with. . .
[23:42] <cprofitt> I would not want a person that has authored no courses being put on the 'authors' team
[23:42] <bodhi_zazen> but there needs to be roles defied and a process for attaining and if necessary removing people from roles 9either they give the post up, move on, absence, disruptive, etc, etc)
[23:43] <cprofitt> +1 bodhi_zazen
[23:43] <dinda> it's been tricky to give folks the proper system level vs. course level roles in order to do what they need in the system
[23:43] <bodhi_zazen> I suggest we start with a few "basics"
[23:43] <cprofitt> that is all I am talking about... sorry if my language does not convey my meaning accurately
[23:43] <cprofitt> I see this team being more like bug-control
[23:43] <dinda> so you might want to think about how roles map to membership
[23:43] <bodhi_zazen> authors, instructors, steudent, admins
[23:44] <cprofitt> with a central team (for those interested) and specialized teams that membership is attained and reviewed in
[23:44] <dinda> correct, the ones I've struggled with are course creator and non-editing teacher
[23:44] <bodhi_zazen> how so dinda ?
[23:44] <dinda> I wanted to have course creators make the courses but not be the instructor/teacher
[23:44] <dinda> it turns out if I gave folks that role then they couldn't see certain key files
[23:45] <cprofitt> dinda, that is possible
[23:45] <cprofitt> I will ask the PLB folks for some advice
[23:45] <dinda> I ended up having to make almost everyone, including course reviewers a temporary instructor
[23:45] <cprofitt> dinda, in case you missed the link - http://www.professionallearningboard.com/
[23:45] <doctormo> Student, Teacher? All teachers are students and visa versa, that role is redundent I think.
[23:45] <cprofitt> I wrote a course for them over a year ago and they have authors and instructors... as two different groups
[23:45] <Vantrax> i think that is a good idea cprofitt
[23:46] <pleia2> doctormo: officially within moodle there are defined roles
[23:46] <dinda> doctormo: true, but each role means something different for Moodle
[23:46] <cprofitt> doctormo, not in terms of a moodle course
[23:46] <doctormo> Aye, this is a problem we will have for moodle
[23:46] <bodhi_zazen> LOL doctormo
[23:46] <Vantrax> I know a few people that will write, but dont want to actually instruct and vice versa
[23:46] <cprofitt> you do not want a 'student' modifying the course
[23:46] <cprofitt> Vantrax, exactly
[23:46] <cprofitt> some people may have the time to be an instructor, but not feel they have the skill to write a course
[23:46] <doctormo> Of course, no one should be able to create courses but for those in the commitors/authors team
[23:46] <cprofitt> and others have the ability to write a course but not be an instructor
[23:47] <cprofitt> I will ask PLB
[23:47] <cprofitt> [ACTION] cprofitt to ask PLB how to make instructors and authors as two different groups
[23:47] <bodhi_zazen> doctormo: well that is what we are discussing, or are you suggesting students have admin and teaching responsibilities as well ?
[23:47] <MootBot> ACTION received:  cprofitt to ask PLB how to make instructors and authors as two different groups
[23:47] <bodhi_zazen> there really need to be some kind of structure, a free for all will not work
[23:48] <cprofitt> [TOPIC] Open Floor
[23:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Floor
[23:48] <dinda> cprofitt: that is supposedly the role of course creator - to design/develop but not teach a course
[23:48] <doctormo> bodhi_zazen: My problem would be if students did not have access to the entire course material in order for them to take up teaching
[23:48] <cprofitt> we have 13 minutes left...
[23:48] <doctormo> I would like annon teaching
[23:48] <cprofitt> does anyone have any other topics they wish to have addressed?
[23:48] <doctormo> cprofitt: yes, my last entry on the agenda
[23:48] <bodhi_zazen> ro access is not the same as rw access and to be honest I do not know the roles in moodle that well
[23:49] <bodhi_zazen> you can make custom roles or curtomize existing ones
[23:49] <cprofitt> that was our last topic doctormo
[23:49] <dinda> fyi:  http://www.goshen.edu/moodle/index.html
[23:49] <dinda> the next upcoming Moodle Moot - I'm considering going
[23:49] <cprofitt> please feel free to address it more... as I appeared to hi-jack it on you
[23:49] <doctormo> What about the one detailing how we are going to teach each other all required things, such as the moodle course it's self and other useful stuff?
[23:49] <pleia2> dinda: northern indiana? sigh :)
[23:50]  * pleia2 wants to go somewhere exciting!
[23:50] <dinda> pleia2: tell me about it - i was hoping for the bahamas or something nice ;)
[23:50] <bodhi_zazen> doctormo: I think the whole project is quite large, and thus a team effort will be required :)
[23:51] <bodhi_zazen> Does anyone have any thoughts one way or another about moving to hosting with Canonical ?
[23:51] <bodhi_zazen> Rather then my server ?
[23:51] <doctormo> bodhi_zazen: Don't do it! It's a trap! :-D
[23:51] <dinda> lol
[23:52] <bodhi_zazen> That is what I thought doctormo :)
[23:52] <dinda> bodhi_zazen: you might want to make a list of pros and cons
[23:52] <bodhi_zazen> the questions would be:
[23:52] <doctormo> bodhi_zazen: Moving to Canonical hosting would force our legal hand, we wouldn't be allowed NC.
[23:52] <pleia2> doctormo: what?
[23:52] <bodhi_zazen> 1. may be require for learn.ubuntu.com
[23:52] <dinda> would also need to have roles in Moodle defined as clearly as possible
[23:52] <pleia2> doctormo: canonical doesn't care about our license
[23:52] <bodhi_zazen> there is that too doctormo
[23:52] <doctormo> dinda: Can you confirm, I thought the policy was no restrictive content hosting.
[23:53] <bodhi_zazen> 2. Would be access to server (ie root)
[23:53] <bodhi_zazen> root access is probably extremely helpful as we get set up
[23:53] <dinda> doctormo: elmo recommended (with his ex-cc hat) that the license be cc-by-sa
[23:53] <bodhi_zazen> Once we are up and established, probably not as critical
[23:53] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: oh, have you had your meeting with the sysadmins yet?
[23:54] <bodhi_zazen> no not yet :)
[23:54] <pleia2> I think we should hold off some discussion until questions asked at our last meeting are answered :)
[23:54] <pleia2> so we're not all sitting around speculating further
[23:54] <doctormo> dinda: So I was mistaken? I thought there was a question over weather none open source content was permitted. Seemed it wasn't.
[23:54] <dinda> would recommend getting the policies for Moodle roles and also theme, other global settings changed.
[23:54] <bodhi_zazen> I did get an offer to assist with sys admin, which is awesome
[23:54] <cprofitt> I agree... we need to get the legal questions answered
[23:55] <cprofitt> debates and speculation between us do not move us forward
[23:55] <dinda> I put in a request on our server to have the Book Module installed and no idea when that might happen
[23:55] <dinda> so admin requests can be really slow once the system in under Canonical control
[23:55] <bodhi_zazen> That would be the downside of moving to Canonical hosting ^^
[23:56] <dinda> bodhi_zazen: if you know anything about which modules you would also want installed that would be helpful too
[23:56] <bodhi_zazen> we would not be able to change as fast if you wanted various features, such as openid or Book module, etc
[23:56] <bodhi_zazen> dinda: I do not think we know yet :)
[23:57] <bodhi_zazen> My opinion would be to keep our server for now, and when we are up and running, know what we want, and are ready for learn.ubuntu.com => migrate
[23:57] <bodhi_zazen> there is a lot of work to be done to get to that point, IMO
[23:57] <dinda> bodhi_zazen: would best if you had a full setup you could migrate over, rather than starting from a fresh install
[23:58] <bodhi_zazen> +1 dinda
[23:58] <pleia2> +1
[23:58] <cprofitt> I think proper planning and a staging server can make the 'delay' factor not an issue
[23:58] <bodhi_zazen> key is proper planning cprofitt :)
[23:58] <doctormo> +1 bodhi_zazen
[23:58] <dinda> bodhi_zazen: and if you have any knowledge of modules that do revision control, I'm all ears!
[23:59] <bodhi_zazen> you mean for moodle ?
[23:59] <doctormo> dinda: Dn't you have a whole team that does bzr development there at Canonical?
[23:59] <bodhi_zazen> svn :)
[23:59] <cprofitt> #endmeeting
[23:59] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 17:59.
[23:59] <cprofitt> thanks for coming everyone... we are at the end of our official meeting.
[23:59] <doctormo> Good meeting I thought
[23:59] <cprofitt> please bring further discussion to #ubuntu-learning
[23:59] <dinda> thanks, keep up the good work all!