[00:00] <mneptok> nalioth: i'm still working on the DCC protocol extension that allows one to send urine samples
[01:10]  * elky is really not comfortable with the discussion in -ot right now
[01:10] <Seeker`> what part of it?
[01:11] <Seeker`> seems to have changed into pokemon
[01:11] <elky> Seeker`, the way eri has totally sexualised the discussion
[01:13] <elky> i dont think ive seen her do anything in #u* other than practically try sell herself in -ot
[01:16] <Seeker`> when will people learn that telling ops to "chillax" or "take a chill pill" is more likely to annoy them than anything else
[01:19] <elky> because they think belittling us makes them bigger for some obtuse reason
[01:22] <elky> someone remove paddy before i snap please
[01:23] <elky> i'm going to *love* this.
[01:24] <elky> they wanted a 'it's ok to express your view' change to o4o. sexualised -ot is what they get.
[01:25] <elky> wth does ompaul have to do with the CC? :-/
[01:25] <Seeker`> I dont know
[01:28] <Seeker`> I wonder if everyone that doesn't agree with him will be "biased"
[01:28] <elky> considering i'm having dinner with paul on friday while he's over here in aus...
[01:29] <elky> he probably will be biased :P
[01:50] <Seeker`> bedtime for me
[01:52] <elky> she seems's basing what she's doing on what she's allowed to do in ##c-u
[01:54] <Seeker`> :(
[02:02] <bazhang> zhxk. asking how to create a botnet Trojan and repeatedly asking staff 'what is trolling' 'Is trolling good?'
[02:02] <Seeker`> where?
[02:03] <bazhang> earlier in defocus and freenode
[02:03] <elky> now she's trying to petition that discussing kissing and offering to kiss is not a sexualised topic
[02:03] <bazhang> best answer was from G ary : if you want to be removed from the network, then yes
[02:04] <bazhang> for kids these days it's probably not
[02:05] <Tm_T> is
[02:06] <Tm_T> bright monday night/morning to you all
[02:06] <bazhang> hi
[02:08] <bazhang> don't know why she's complaining, she hasn't been removed
[02:09] <bazhang> Seveas once removed me 7 times in a span of 3 minutes and I never complained 
[02:09] <Tm_T> you deserved many removes long time ago indeed
[02:10] <bazhang> his were for no reason at all though, just fun
[02:11] <Tm_T> cannot be! (;
[02:11] <elky> bazhang, because i asked her to stop sexualising discussions in a technical channel.
[02:11] <bazhang> guess if you see IRC through the lens of 'My first amendment rights!!!' it's different
[02:11] <elky> she tried to qualify that she ought to be able to because she's a girl and it doesnt bother her.
[02:12] <bazhang> elky, I saw, but she was never removed or anything. she just needs to learn where to use that language (ie not -ot) if it is bothering others
[02:13] <bazhang> thought that was the new o4o: not banned but please stop if it is bothering others, creating problems
[02:13] <elky> bazhang, it is.
[02:14] <bazhang> and it was bothering others, so seems quite clearcut
[02:14] <Seeker`> ah well you see, elky is an op
[02:14] <Seeker`> so it cant bother her
[02:14] <bazhang> oh the power mad ops
[02:14] <Seeker`> she is just abusing her power
[02:14] <Eri> I have a feeling that what I have to say here will not be well received so I shall skip this step
[02:15] <elky> you're basing that on what you've read?
[02:16] <bazhang> she was let to discuss, asked to stop, told people to chillax then continued nonetheless
[02:16] <bazhang> misssed the removal, mute etc part
[02:17] <elky> bazhang, her current gripe is that in PM i said sexualised discussions in -ot drive female contributors away. she asserted to be a contributor, and i asked what other than offering kissing services in -ot was she contributing.
[02:20] <Eri> I'm not clear h ow to state this but I do have an issue with one of your Ops
[02:20] <Eri> *how
[02:20] <bazhang> just saying it is usually the best way Eri 
[02:26] <Eri> I have an issue with elky, no elky this does not require your response as you have stated you have no time to further discuss this, my issue lies with a conversation that was on going in #ubuntu-offtopic a non-technical support channel - ie a social channel. A conversation had been going on for quite some time with none of the participants or on lookers openly discussing disdain of the...
[02:26] <Eri> ...topic, until elky popped in and asked us to stop merely because she, one of many, was uncomfortable. While I understand she has a say in what the channel may discuss, I fear that she used her own personal discomfort to stop a conversation that was not in anyway disrespectful to the actively participating users. And then further more once a point was discussed and moved past I do not...
[02:26] <Eri> ...appreciate being referred to as a slut. 
[02:28] <Flannel> Eri: Would it make you feel any better about being asked to stop if I mention that I would have commented on it as well, had I seen it?
[02:28] <Seeker`> ok, can I just say that if a random user came to us and said, "I am lurking in -ot and I feel that this discussion is offensive" then an op would most likely ask the discussion to stop
[02:29] <Seeker`> just because someone is an op doesn't mean that they aren't offended by what is going on
[02:29] <Flannel> Eri: Also, that channel's policies are one matter of discussion, but the slut thing worries me.  Would you be willing to elaborate?
[02:29] <Eri> Flannel: what would you like me to elaborate on? 
[02:30] <Flannel> Eri: Would you be willing to quote your conversations?
[02:31] <Eri> Flannel none
[02:31] <Flannel> Eri: What?
[02:31] <Eri> sorry
[02:31] <Eri> I was responding to something else
[02:31] <Eri> I do not mind
[02:32] <Flannel> Eri: Please do then
[02:32] <Eri> In channel? 
[02:32] <Eri> Or out of channel?
[02:33] <Flannel> If its a significant amount of text, pastebin and then give the link here
[02:34] <Eri> I'll give you what I deem pertinent and should you decide you need more I'll paste bin it
[02:34] <Eri> Is that alright?
[02:34] <Flannel> Sure
[02:35] <Eri> [20:57]	<elky>	because i am sick to death of being one of only 2% of female contributors because the rest flee
[02:35] <Eri> [20:57]	<Eri>	Hello! What am I?
[02:35] <Eri> [20:57]	<elky>	not a contributor
[02:35] <Eri> [20:57]	<Eri>	As far as you know!
[02:35] <Eri> [20:57]	<elky>	what do you contribute then?
[02:35] <Eri> [20:57]	<Eri>	What do I contribute?
[02:35] <Eri> [20:57]	<elky>	yes.
[02:35] <Eri> [20:58]	<elky>	aside from kissing services in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[02:36] <Eri> [20:59]	<Eri>	When someone asks a question I know the answer to I answer it. I'm relatively new to this particular distribution I'll admit that but that doesn't mean my knowledge is completely is completely void. And I'm sorry Ms. Draper but that comment was below the belt. 
[02:41] <Flannel> Eri: The penultimate line maps to being called a slut, I presume?
[02:41] <Flannel> that is, the kissing services one
[02:41] <Eri> In my mind? Correct
[02:42] <Flannel> I'm not really sure if I know what "kissing services" are exactly,
[02:43] <Flannel> but, quickly perusing my backlog of -ot, I'm left with the feeling that the statement isn't exactly inacurate.
[02:43] <Eri> What as to calling me a slut?
[02:43] <Flannel> as to you offering "kissing services"
[02:44] <Eri> It was done in jest
[02:44] <Flannel> For example: 17:11 < Eri> Grant-A: can I take you out for a test drive >.>
[02:44] <Eri> As I explained to elky
[02:44] <Flannel> Which, to me, seems like more than "just kissing"
[02:44] <Eri> It wasn't meant to be
[02:44] <Flannel> I think with context it wasn't, no.  But it is at least "just kissing"
[02:44] <Flannel> correct?
[02:44] <Flannel> You were discussing how guys/girls are bad/good kissers
[02:45] <Eri> Correct
[02:45] <Eri> But it was being done in jest which is my point. 
[02:45] <nalioth> #ubuntu-offtopic is not a "general social channel"
[02:45] <Flannel> So, if you just offered to go make out/kiss/whatever with someone, how is saying you're offering to kiss someone offensive?
[02:45] <nalioth> it is there to discuss non-support topics related to Ubuntu
[02:46] <nalioth> "which torrent client is best?"
[02:46] <Eri> nalioth: forgive me if I aske you to stop I'm trying to understand what Flannel is saying
[02:46] <nalioth> "is the EEEpc better than [something else]?"
[02:46] <Eri> and trying to answer you is hard while focusing on him
[02:46] <Flannel> Eri: If you say "I want to ride a motorcycle" and then someone claims you want to ride a motorcycle, how is that miscontruing anything?
[02:46] <nalioth> i'm not asknig for for answers, Eri 
[02:47] <nalioth> i'm clarifying the purpose of #ubuntu-offtopic 
[02:47] <Eri> nalioth: then I ask you to stop so I can fully focus on Flannel 
[02:47] <Flannel> er, misconstruing, that is.
[02:47] <Eri> Flannel: because something that was said in jest does not make a person a slut and lends nothing to a persons character
[02:47] <tritium> Good evening.
[02:48] <bazhang> tritium, hi
[02:48] <tritium> How are you, bazhang?
[02:48] <Flannel> Eri: First off, lets ditch the slut moniker, no one said slut, the term was you're offering kissing services, which I really don't see as equivalent to a slut.
[02:48] <bazhang> tritium, very well :)
[02:48] <Eri> Flannel: I do
[02:48] <tritium> Glad to hear it.
[02:48] <Flannel> Eri: Alright, well, regardless, everything she said was factual.
[02:49] <Flannel> Eri: If you said it in jest, that's fine, but it doesn't come across to everyone as if it were in jest.
[02:49] <bazhang> jokes don't always translate on IRC
[02:49] <Flannel> Eri: It's the same reason we won't let people muck around putting each other down with "your momma" jokes or whatver, because while it may be entertainingfor those involved,
[02:49] <Flannel> Some ppeople who aren't involved feel that the channel is extremely hostile.
[02:49] <Eri> Flannel: I'm sorry but I don't quite understand how you can dismiss my claim and admit hers
[02:50] <Flannel> Eri: The last few statements had nothing to do with any claim,
[02:50] <Flannel> nor do I know what claim she made? Oh, that you were offering kissing services?
[02:50] <nalioth> Eri: you were under the misunderstanding of "why" #ubuntu-offtopic exists
[02:51] <Eri> nalioth: forgive me but I am not addressing you currently I appreciate your opinion but I respectfully ask you to hold until I finish with Flannel 
[02:52] <Flannel> Maybe I'm out of touch with what "slut" means, would someone care to define it for my sake?
[02:52] <Eri> Flannel: I understand your point...but what I fail to see how she can allude to supposed "prostitution" ie the offering of services and that is seen as acceptable while offering to kiss someone in jest is not
[02:53] <nalioth> Eri: you are wasting Flannel's time.
[02:53] <Eri> Fine then I will go else where where I'm not seen as wasting my time for being offended
[02:53] <Flannel> Eri: Where did she allude to prostitution?
[02:53] <Eri> Good day gentlemen all the best 
[02:53] <Flannel> She said you were kissing people
[02:54]  * elky smells a vendetta.
[02:54] <nalioth> i smell a troll
[02:54] <elky> nalioth, well, she was bred by the best from what she's told me
[02:54] <Flannel> All I smell is double standards
[02:54] <elky> her roots being That Other Channel
[02:54] <elky> Flannel, which are convenient in vendettas ;)
[02:55] <elky> anyway, i look forward to this reaching the CC. they wanted to invite this stuff after all.
[03:55] <zhxk> hello, gentlemen
[03:56] <zhxk> i have to come here again pleading for a small request
[03:58] <zhxk> hello?
[03:58] <zhxk> hi?
[03:59] <zhxk> hello?
[03:59] <zhxk> hi?
[03:59] <zhxk> hello?
[03:59] <bazhang> zhxk, hi
[04:00] <zhxk> bazhang:gentleman, do me a favor
[04:00] <elky> zhxk, we've been watching you, and we're not impressed.
[04:01] <bazhang> zhxk, how may we assist you
[04:01] <zhxk> bazhang:gentleman, you know what people go to there for
[04:02] <bazhang> zhxk, go to where? I am not understanding you
[04:02] <zhxk> bazhang:come to this channel must have to ask for help
[04:03] <bazhang> zhxk, did you have some issue to discuss here?
[04:03] <zhxk> elky:dude, you are not impressed because the time is so long
[04:04] <zhxk> bazhang:yap,gentleman, try to see the ban list, i have been there so long
[04:04] <elky> Gary, ping?
[04:04] <bazhang> iirc stew was involved here
[04:06] <zhxk> bazhang:actually, iknoia know all
[04:07] <zhxk> iknoia:hello?
[04:08] <zhxk> iknoia:bother to tell me to come here for any long time.
[04:09] <zhxk> iknoia:bother to tell me to come here again in any long time.
[04:09] <bazhang> zhxk, do you know why you were banned from #ubuntu ?
[04:09] <zhxk> bazhang:of course, gentleman
[04:10] <bazhang> zhxk, please explain
[04:10] <zhxk> bazhang:the reason is bacause become offtopic
[04:11] <bazhang> zhxk, and the subsequent ban evasion?
[04:12] <zhxk> bazhang:to have the desire to return to topic
[04:13] <bazhang> zhxk, you should have come here first to discuss having your ban lifted, instead of ban-evading
[04:13] <zhxk> bazhang:newbie to irc
[04:14] <bazhang> zhxk, after seeing what you have been doing, am not confident you will behave in #ubuntu
[04:15] <zhxk> bazhang:i was a newbie, and amnt know
[04:15] <bazhang> zhxk, I mean in the last few days
[04:17] <zhxk> bazhang:well, insnt it good to not bother any of you and return to normal?
[04:17] <bazhang> zhxk, I don't feel confident to remove your ban at this time. If others differ (ie those setting the *bans* )
[04:18] <zhxk> bazhang:the banner behaves sleepy
[04:19] <bazhang> zhxk, not understanding you. 
[04:19] <zhxk> bazhang:well, gentleman, just tell me how can lift from the ban
[04:19] <bazhang> zhxk, there was more than one person banning you (initially), and then the ban-evasions
[04:23] <zhxk> bazhang:they enjoys in banning me, dunno i have been suffered enough
[04:23] <elky> zhxk, you have to demonstrate good behaviour in the other places you chat first.
[04:27] <zhxk> elky:gentleman, how long would be to show the good behviour then?
[04:29] <zhxk> hello
[04:31] <bazhang> zhxk, no real set time limit.
[04:33] <bazhang> zhxk, what is your native language
[04:33] <zhxk> cn
[04:33] <zhxk> the official language is chinese
[04:33] <bazhang> zhxk, what about getting support and helping others in your loco channel then #ubuntu-cn
[04:34] <zhxk> of couse,i have my own native language which dunno it's name
[04:34] <zhxk> bazhang:there are so many water in it
[04:35] <zhxk> "water"
[04:35] <zhxk> do you know what "water" is?
[04:35] <bazhang> flood?
[04:35] <zhxk> good
[04:37] <zhxk> bazhang:how can get support in a watering world?
[04:38] <bazhang> zhxk, your ban in #ubuntu won't be lifted at this time.
[04:42] <zhxk> well, if there is no resolution here, i may come back to bother any of you nextime, inst it better to figure out the solution and reduce the annoy time here?
[04:45] <zhxk> bazhang:gentleman, im think from your place
[04:46] <zhxk> do you think so?
[04:46] <zhxk> hello
[04:47] <bazhang> zhxk, this is not a chat channel
[04:47] <zhxk> bazhang:im thinking at you place
[04:48] <bazhang> zhxk, if there are no other issues related to #ubuntu , please don't idle here
[04:50] <zhxk> bazhang£ºi'm waiting for the solution for the issue which you know
[04:50] <bazhang> zhxk, the ban won't be lifted at this time.
[04:51] <zhxk> bazhang:well, its long enough, i have been on the list long long
[04:52] <bazhang> zhxk, you are clearly not ready to rejoin the channel #ubuntu 
[04:52] <zhxk> they lift and add, lift and add
[04:55] <zhxk> ttyl
[04:57] <bazhang> asking how to evade bans, build botnets and repeatedly asking 'what is trolling???' are not good confidence builders imo
[04:58] <zhxk> well, do yo imply that situation might change some day later?
[05:03] <elky> if you can demonstrate good behaviour elsewhere, rather than asking how to troll and ban evade, yes.
[05:04] <zhxk> ¹þ¹þ
[05:13] <zhxk> good
[05:14] <zhxk> elky:gentleman, hope your implication be carried into execution
[05:15] <elky> that bit is up to you.
[05:16] <elky> we dont control how you behave. we just control your ability to do it in ubuntu channels
[05:19] <zhxk> indirect control
[05:19] <elky> in the mean time, please dont lurk here
[05:21] <zhxk> permit
[05:21] <bazhang> zhxk, please exit the channel 
[05:21] <zhxk> permit
[05:30] <bazhang> sdeb bears watching
[05:30] <bazhang> seems to think discussion of anaconda installer or not is on topic
[06:16] <roxan> I'm banned :(
[06:30] <sattam> hi , i love ubuntu , and i want cloak 
[06:30] <elky> !member
[06:31] <sattam> ok , if i don't want to be ? 
[06:31] <elky> then you dont get a cloak.
[06:32] <elky> sattam, you have to have become an official member by the process above, and once you've done that, you can ask in -irc. but not until you're an official member.
[06:32] <sattam> great , i will be member , coz i love ubuntu :)
[06:45] <jussi01> !idle | sattam
[06:52] <roxan> Hi, I'm banned. 
[06:59] <tsimpson> roxan: why did you ctcp ping #ubuntu?
[07:13] <roxan> tsimpson: it was an accident
[07:16] <tsimpson> what do you mean "an accident"?
[07:21] <tsimpson> roxan: what were you doing, specifically?
[07:22] <roxan> tsimpson: there was a guy called ubuntu at that time and I tried to ping him to check my connectivity.
[07:22] <roxan> also I didn't know pinging channel would do this
[07:23] <tsimpson> why would you randomly ctcp someone?
[07:23] <tsimpson> you can just ping the server to check your connection
[07:42] <roxan> tsimpson: I don't know. I am not perfect, I'm human being
[07:49] <elky> roxan, the usual procedure we take here is to have someone read the guidelines
[07:49] <elky> !guidelines > roxan
[07:50] <elky> let me know when you have finished reading and we can move to the next step
[07:55] <roxan> elky: done
[07:58] <Gary> elky: morning, you pinged my dear
[07:58] <elky> Gary, yes, nzhk or whatever he calls himself was around
[07:59] <elky> roxan, ok, do you promise to never do ping or version or anything silly like that to #ubuntu again?
[07:59] <Gary> nice, being offtopic I suppose, leaning tower of no foundations or something I guess?
[08:00] <elky> Gary, begging to be allowed back in of course
[08:00] <roxan> elky: I promise
[08:01] <elky> roxan, excellent
[08:01] <roxan> elky: can I login now?
[08:02] <elky> roxan, you can go back to #ubuntu now, yes
[08:03] <roxan> elky: oh thankyou
[08:04] <elky> roxan, was there anything else you needed from this channel?
[08:04] <roxan> elky: nope. thanks 
[08:04] <Gary> elky: I'd not let that user back for a bit, I've seen little ontopic from him
[08:05] <elky> Gary, nzhk? yeah, he's a twit
[08:05] <Gary> maybe they need a while to figure out what freenode is all about :-D
[08:05] <elky> they've been in the ban list for a while.
[08:06] <elky> iirc they're in there a few times
[08:07] <elky> zhxk, sorry
[08:09] <Gary> you are thinking of nzk :p
[08:10] <elky> that must be where the confusion stems
[08:16]  * elky noms on dahl and pappodums
[08:19] <elky> Gary, also, has eri caused issues elsewhere?
[08:20] <Gary> that nice doesn't ring any bells
[08:20] <Gary> erm, nick
[08:22] <elky> Gary, how much scrollback do you have?
[08:22] <elky> go back about 6 hours in this channel
[08:24] <Gary> hehe, read it, well... not seen em elsewhere
[08:32] <elky> are you in That Other Channel at all?
[08:44] <Myrtti> bwhahaha
[08:45] <elky> Myrtti, are you seeing the v2.0beta too?
[08:45] <Myrtti> elky: I'm laughing at -ot right no
[08:45] <Myrtti> w
[08:45] <Gary> that other channel - nope
[08:52] <elky> sigh.
[08:57] <elky> i didnt even say to shut it down, for crying out loud
[09:12] <elky> and all this without me even saying the s-word. sigh.
[10:04] <Myrtti> jesus
[10:04] <Seeker`> ?
[10:08] <Myrtti> read the backlog
[10:26] <ikonia> morning
[10:27]  * jussi01 waves to ikonia
[10:36] <elky> Myrtti, you seeing that v2.0beta now?
[10:39] <Myrtti> elky: mmm
[10:48] <ikonia> yo !
[11:58] <Myrtti> shadeslayer is again tossing random factoids
[11:58] <ikonia> of course
[11:58] <ikonia> that's what he does
[11:59] <bazhang> heh
[12:00] <Myrtti> does anyone else remember how to check if 3d acceleration is on?
[12:01] <ikonia> glxinfo or glxgears | grep -i dri 
[12:03] <Myrtti> shadeslayer X-(
[12:28] <Tm_T> hi kids
[12:45] <miik> help bazhang closed the door so now i cant enter the ubuntu room in mirc
[12:45] <bazhang> miik, you were removed from #ubuntu
[12:45] <bazhang> miik, then asked to remain ontopic, and then continued, with very inappropriate comments and suggestions
[12:46] <miik> oh
[12:46] <miik> ok
 which OS is better for porno, win xp, win vista, win 7 or ubuntu?
[12:47] <miik> yes
[12:47] <miik> someone should make comparison
[12:47] <miik> of important usage
[12:47] <bazhang> at which point you were asked to stop
[12:47] <miik> such as porno, gaming, office
[12:47] <bazhang> but you continued, and were removed
[12:48] <miik> the people deserves to know!
[12:48] <jpds> miik: Find out by yourself then?
[12:48] <miik> idk
[12:48] <miik> i want find like a comparision
 Seifer, then your IP will be leet.hax0r.supercool.dude.net
 yes but only to i.love.penis.org
[12:48] <jpds> miik: Then do it youself, kthx.
[12:48] <bazhang> miik, you are now banned from #ubuntu
[12:49] <miik> yes
[12:49] <miik> you closed the door
[12:49] <bazhang> with very good reason.
[12:49] <miik> kinda
[12:50] <bazhang> miik, Ubuntu channels have a code of conduct
[12:50] <bazhang> !coc > miik 
[12:52] <miik> ok
[12:52] <miik> isnt you a bot?
[12:52] <bazhang> miik, no I am not
[12:52] <elky> ubottu is. bazhang is just a cyborg from outer space.
[12:52] <jpds> elky: ...
[12:52] <elky> wtf...
[12:52] <Pici> hah
[12:52] <Myrtti> oops.
[12:52] <bazhang> yikes
[12:52] <miik> it talks
[12:52] <bazhang> !bazhang
[12:52] <elky> !language > elky
[12:53] <elky> !is.
[12:53] <jpds> !ubottu
[12:53] <jpds> Weird.
[12:53] <bazhang> !ubottu is
[12:53] <Myrtti> !ubottu is.
[12:53] <Myrtti> ok
[12:53] <Myrtti> moving on
[12:53] <Pici> !is. bazhang 
[12:53] <Myrtti> whee.
[12:53] <miik> !is. penis
[12:54] <bazhang> hehe
[12:54] <miik> :DDDDDdd
[12:54] <elky> miik, that was naughty.
[12:54] <bazhang> miik, come back in a week
[12:56] <Tm_T> bazhang: we're done?
[12:56] <bazhang> Tm_T, making factoids about me?
[12:56] <bazhang> or the other?
[12:56] <Tm_T> with miik (:
[12:57] <bazhang> Tm_T, aye captain
[12:57] <Tm_T> miik: I think we have done for now, see you in a week, you can leave us now
[12:57] <miik> ok
[12:57] <miik> dude a week is like a very long time
[12:57] <miik> in a week i might be ded
[12:57] <miik> like i go out, a car hit me
[12:57] <miik> wtf
[12:57] <Gary> no need to be silly now miik 
[12:57] <elky> then irc is the least of our worries
[12:57] <Tm_T> miik: then avoid cars
[12:58] <elky> s/our/your/
[12:58] <miik> like why i must be grounded from the room for a week?
[12:58] <miik> when my mom grounds me, she never grounds me for a full week
[12:58] <Tm_T> miik: you cannot follow the rules nor behave
[12:58] <elky> miik, because that's our rules.
[12:59] <Tm_T> jussi01: but I wanted him to leave himself ):
[12:59] <bazhang> !is. bazhang
[12:59] <bazhang> whew
[12:59] <elky> sorry kiddo, we dont confer with your mother when you talk about your peepee in public
[12:59] <Pici> elky: :P
[14:10] <Myrtti> oh god, someone gave ubuntugeeks link on the intel/jaunty problem again
[14:11] <ikonia> I hate that
[14:11] <ikonia> although its bad as that problem should be long resolved by now
[14:40] <elky> Pici, is it just me or does majnoon come out with that sort of idiocy all the time and then fade off until next time and never gets banned?
[14:41] <Pici> elky: It does seem like a familiar theme with him.
[14:41] <elky> i think a holiday from there is due then
[14:59]  * mneptok yawns
[15:01] <Myrtti> more ice cream!
[15:16] <Amaranth> Myrtti: what link is that?
[15:16] <Amaranth> the "upgrade to 2.6.30" one?
[15:16] <Myrtti> Amaranth: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/intel-graphics-performance-guide-for-ubuntu-904-jaunty-users.html
[15:17] <Myrtti> ooh
[15:17] <ikonia> ughhh
 pain in the ass i can see ,but not troll :) usually quiet in room :)
[15:17] <Myrtti> hm, has it been changed?
[15:18] <elky> Myrtti, no, it still says to download debian debs
 discuss this in #ubuntu-ops please
 just saying not a troll ,banning was correct though 
[15:18] <elky> who the hell is this loon?
[15:19] <elky> Pici, ikonia ^
[15:19] <ikonia> oops
[15:19] <Amaranth> so yeah, performance in jaunty is never going to be fixed precisely because it needs 2.6.30
[15:19] <Amaranth> so people will continue to have guides saying to install it
[15:20] <Amaranth> stability in jaunty has been fixed though
[15:20] <ikonia> Amaranth: and that's where the crap side of this 6 month cycle comes in 
[15:20] <elky> Amaranth, we'd prefer ones that are sane. that one isn't.
[15:20] <ikonia> Amaranth: that should be back ported
[15:20] <Amaranth> elky: it's sane-ish compared to some other tricks I've seen people try
[15:21] <majnoon> just so you know , i may be a pain in the ass in ot chan ,i'm not a troll ,and elky was right in banning me ,maybe say like 5 things in a week 
[15:21] <Amaranth> at least installing a new kernel doesn't mess up anything on your system, just boot with your old kernel and it goes back to normal
[15:21] <ikonia> majnoon: ok, thanks for letting us know
[15:22] <majnoon> <<takes credit for what he does , just want to know how long ban is 
[15:22] <ikonia> Amaranth: I can understand the work load if they want to make the libc headers match the current kernel, but it SHOULD be backported as a serious fix, but as you said it won't be - it will be a next release joke again
[15:23] <elky> majnoon, that depends on if you plan to continue the same bahaviour after it's lifted or not.
[15:23] <Amaranth> the real joke is they're putting the karmic kernel in hardy in hardy-updates but won't put it in jaunty in jaunty-backports
[15:23] <majnoon> i'll tone it down 
[15:23] <ikonia> Amaranth: at least it's going into LTS - fully support that, but then there is no need to fix it in LTS
[15:23] <majnoon> no duck in cow stuffs
[15:23] <Amaranth> but anyway, the choice is either that guide or telling people they can't make their computer faster
[15:23] <ikonia> Amaranth: stupid it won't hit 9.04
[15:24] <Amaranth> ikonia: it is going to 8.04 due to driver updates
[15:24] <Amaranth> so people can actually install 8.04 again
[15:24] <ikonia> non-lts releases are fire and release - it's crap and presents a really bad model 
[15:24] <ikonia> Amaranth: ahhh
[15:25] <ikonia> elky: sorry - didn't think there was work in here to be done, I'll shut up now
[15:25] <elky> ikonia, there wasnt until after you started
[15:25] <ikonia> elky: I know but should have shut up quicker
[15:25] <elky> majnoon, i'd much rather see no stupid remarks, not just 'no duck in cow stuffs'
[15:26] <majnoon> that i CAN't guarentee ,have asperger's syndrome ,i WILL try to keep to a minimum 
[15:32] <elky> majnoon, either way, you're waiting at least 24 hrs. come back then having read the guidelines and it can be discussed then
[15:32] <elky> !guidelines
[15:46] <Myrtti> majnoon: anything else you need help with?
[16:28] <Myrtti> why is boo_ resetting his root password again?
[16:29] <Myrtti> oh, he's not
[16:31] <Pici> again?
[16:31] <Myrtti> s/again//
[16:40] <cousteau> isn't there any #ubuntu-es op anywhere??
[16:41] <Pici> cousteau: Have you asked in #ubuntu-irc ? That channel handles loco irc issues.
[16:41] <cousteau> ok, thx
[17:09] <Pici> ARGH
[17:09] <Pici> 12:08:50 <?Halitech> lesshaste, if you want to be advantureous you could simply edit your sources.list to point to hardy then apt-get update apt-get upgrade but I wouldn't suggest it
[17:10] <Pici> But you just did!
[18:43] <Pricey> Pici: Don't you know, apologising makes anything ok?
[18:43] <Pricey> as long as you acknowledge something is wrong, its ok
[18:48] <ikonia> cool
[18:48]  * ikonia makes a note
[19:34] <juan-arg> hellow my name is juan user raul troll in #ubuntu-es
[19:35] <Seeker`> juan-arg: I think you need to mention it in #ubuntu-irc
[19:35] <juan-arg> sory no speak english only spanish
[19:36] <Pici> Sólo manejar el canal principal de Ubuntu. por favor entrar en # ubuntu-irc para otras cuestiones.
[19:36] <juan-arg> ok gracias
[19:37] <Pici> Raúl apenas salió
[19:37] <Pici> disculpas por la mala español, estoy utilizando un programa de traducción
[19:37] <juan-arg> ok gracias
[19:38] <Pici> gtrans.pl is pretty neat. It can do google translations within irssi
[19:58] <jpds> Pici: Dude, you're starting to creep me out.
[19:59] <Pici> jpds: What did I do this time?
[22:47] <Myrtti> [23:17] <mariahfemme> i'am Linda-Girl88@ in h0tmail . c0m in the MSN
[23:01] <Pricey> Myrtti: klined a while ago no?
[23:01] <Pricey> or at least gone?
[23:05] <Myrtti> Pricey: wouldn't know
[23:43] <Seeker`> HOT