[00:26] <Shane_Fagan> Hey im on karmic and the sound is broken.
[00:26] <BUGabundo> Shane_Fagan: define broken?
[00:26] <Shane_Fagan> No sound at all
[00:26] <BUGabundo> cause its working for me and a lot others
[00:26] <BUGabundo> please install pavucontrol
[00:27] <BUGabundo> and check if sound is at max
[00:27] <BUGabundo> some hw has many bugs, and it sets volume to 50% = mute
[00:27] <BUGabundo> if that doesn't work file a bug so dtchen can look at it
[00:27] <Shane_Fagan> It says null output
[00:27] <BUGabundo> Shane_Fagan: $ ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[00:28] <BUGabundo> ahh null is no good heheh
[00:28] <Shane_Fagan> I dont think its a bug
[00:28] <Shane_Fagan> You see I installed 2 programs that may have removed something important
[00:29] <Ian_Corne> hello
[00:29] <BUGabundo> Shane_Fagan: ahhh
[00:29] <Shane_Fagan> Then I rebooted and the sound was gone. It plays the login sound but after login nothing
[00:29] <BUGabundo> hey Ian_Corne
[00:29] <Ian_Corne> sbcl-doc segfauilting dpkg for anyone else?
[00:33] <Shane_Fagan> BUGabundo: So any ideas what I should do to get back sound?
[00:34] <BUGabundo> Shane_Fagan:  file a bug so dtchen can look at it
[00:34] <BUGabundo> Shane_Fagan: $ ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[00:34] <BUGabundo> only then you will collect enough to be looked at
[00:34] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: not here
[00:35] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[00:35] <Ian_Corne> 30-10?
[00:39] <Ian_Corne> weird
[00:39] <Ian_Corne> nope still broken
[00:39] <Ian_Corne> clean install btw
[00:39] <Shane_Fagan> BUGabundo: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/393665
[00:40] <BUGabundo> Shane_Fagan: thanks
[00:41] <Ian_Corne> http://pastebin.com/m5acfbec3
[00:42] <BUGabundo> uuuhhhhh nice bt
[00:42] <BUGabundo> /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe5)[0x2697a5]
[00:42] <BUGabundo> ahaha
[00:42] <BUGabundo> what CPU do you have?
[00:42] <BUGabundo> doesn't seem to support cmov
[00:42] <Ian_Corne> atom
[00:43] <BUGabundo> strange, very very strange
[00:43] <Ian_Corne> a friend tried it on his desktop
[00:43] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: please open a bug on linux and add that trace enfatizing that line
[00:43] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: $ ubuntu-bug linux
[00:43] <Ian_Corne> "open a bug on linux"? :p
[00:44] <BUGabundo> apw: ping. can you look this trace from Ian_Corne? seems to have a prob with cmov on an atom
[00:44] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: "linux" is the package for Kernel !
[00:44] <Ian_Corne> it's not only on an atom
[00:44] <Ian_Corne> ah :p
[00:45] <Ian_Corne> i will do that
[00:45] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:45] <Shane_Fagan> BUGabundo: You must be fairly busy round here
[00:46] <billybigrigger> heh
[00:46] <BUGabundo> Shane_Fagan: why do you say that ?
[00:46] <billybigrigger> slacker more like it :P
[00:46] <BUGabundo> unf not as much as I would like
[00:46] <BUGabundo> I am off line most of the day
[00:46] <Shane_Fagan> Ah
[00:46] <BUGabundo> during JJ cycle I was here like 18/day
[00:47] <Shane_Fagan> wow
[00:47] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: you are right! not keeping with my 5 new bugs a day quote
[00:47] <billybigrigger> hehe
[00:47] <BUGabundo> its more like 2 per week now :((
[00:47] <billybigrigger> ahh i was just kidding
[00:47] <BUGabundo> so ashamed of my self
[00:47] <BUGabundo> I know I know
[00:47] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: have you seen the 185.xx nvidia drivers come through updates yet?
[00:48] <billybigrigger> or are you an intel/ati guy?
[00:48] <Ian_Corne> should i report it to edge.launchpad?
[00:48] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: think so
[00:48] <BUGabundo> fully updated, with a few pacakges left behind
[00:48] <BUGabundo> nvidia here
[00:48] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: you should run the comand I gave you
[00:49] <BUGabundo> it will take care of almost all... all you neeed then is to pour a cup of coffee
[00:49] <Ian_Corne> aha
[00:49] <BUGabundo> LP still doesn't do that, but the guys are working on that bug
[00:49] <Ian_Corne> that was a command :p
[00:49] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: $ ubuntu-bug linux
[00:49] <Shane_Fagan> im on 185.* atm
[00:49]  * BUGabundo checks nvidia driver
[00:50] <Shane_Fagan> Its a hell of a lot better
[00:50] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-180  Installed: 185.18.14-0ubuntu1
[00:50] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: don't you love this fake names ?!?! eheh
[00:51] <Shane_Fagan> Ha they really need to change that name
[00:51] <Ian_Corne> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/393669
[00:57] <Shane_Fagan> Hmm some other dude has the same problem as me
[00:59] <BUGabundo> Shane_Fagan: that's good
[01:00] <Shane_Fagan> Yep I told him to make a duplicate bug report to provide his info to help with solving the problem
[01:08] <BUGabundo> humm pidgin 2.5.8 out! woot
[01:08] <Shane_Fagan> But its not default in ubuntu anymore
[01:09] <BUGabundo> so what
[01:09] <BUGabundo> I still use it
[01:09] <BUGabundo> and will until something better comes along
[01:10] <BUGabundo> or their ...... /me better shutup, for CoC :)
[01:10] <Shane_Fagan> Empathy isnt too bad
[01:11] <RAOF> There are some nice adium themes.
[01:11] <RAOF> *which work in empathy.
[01:12] <Shane_Fagan> The UI on empathy is awesome
[01:12] <Shane_Fagan> compared to pidgin
[01:16] <BUGabundo> I don't think so
[01:16] <BUGabundo> but its one of those things
[01:16] <BUGabundo> either you like or you don't
[01:16] <iconicity> does empathy do IRC well ... or at all?
[01:17] <BUGabundo> iconicity: yes
[01:18] <iconicity> that's great ... I hate the way Pidgin hadnles IRC
[01:18] <BUGabundo> err
[01:18] <BUGabundo> iconicity: it's the *same+
[01:18] <BUGabundo> AFAIK it uses Libpurple to do it! lol
[01:18] <iconicity> ha!  oh, great!
[01:19] <Shane_Fagan> Im using empathy now
[01:19] <iconicity> well, hopefully it's the the UI that bothers me, then
[01:19] <iconicity> and if that's better in empathy, I'll be happy
[01:22] <Shane_Fagan> iconicity: It is a lot better, but it isnt that good with the notifications and its really buggy at the moment
[01:23] <iconicity> I'm sure the bugs will be ironed out by release time ... Why was Pidgin bumped as the default client?
[01:23] <Shane_Fagan> Because it doesnt have support for video and voice calls
[01:23] <iconicity> ah
[01:23] <iconicity> gotcha
[01:23] <Shane_Fagan> plus ekiga was bumped too
[01:24] <iconicity> how come?
[01:24] <iconicity> becuase one app can do both?
[01:25] <Shane_Fagan> Because empathy has ekiga built in
[01:25] <RAOF> A number of reasons.  Empathy has voice+video, SIP (so can replace ekiga to some extent).  Empathy is getting cool new features (geolocation, once the needed libraries hit main).  Empathy is better integrated into the GNOME infrastructure.  Pidgin upstream is apparently not the niceset to work with.  And because Empathy is becoming the official GNOME IM client.
[01:26] <iconicity> RAOF: thanks!  Looking forward to giving it a try
[01:27] <Shane_Fagan> You need to install all the telephony plugins to make all the functionality work
[01:27] <BUGabundo> RAOF: cough cough (niceset to work with)
[01:28] <BUGabundo> :)
[01:28] <RAOF> Eh.  Spelling is for the week! :P
[01:28] <iconicity> :)
[01:29] <Shane_Fagan> RAOF: empathy is already the default gnome client
[01:29] <RAOF> But that's new in 2.28, isn't it?  Or was it 2.26?
[01:30] <RAOF> Anyway, that's one of the reasons that it came to prominence.
[01:30] <Shane_Fagan> 2.26
[01:30] <BUGabundo> 2.26
[01:30] <Shane_Fagan> 2.28 its the default
[01:32] <iconicity> speaking of defaults ... should I be worried about ext4?
[01:32] <Shane_Fagan> Well maybe this early in the release
[01:33] <Shane_Fagan> Id say alpha 4 it should be perfect
[01:33] <Shane_Fagan> almost
[01:33] <Shane_Fagan> Its a lot faster a boot time
[01:33] <iconicity> -- and that blows my mind, since jaunty already boots so quickly in ext3
[01:34] <Shane_Fagan> they are aiming at 10 secs boot
[01:35] <iconicity> awesome.
[01:35] <BUGabundo> yep
[01:35] <BUGabundo> and some users are already hitting it
[01:36] <iconicity> wow
[01:36] <iconicity> that's goign to be great
[01:38] <iconicity> have they released the new theme yet?
[01:38] <BrunoXLambert> I've tried to install the daily build yesterday, and the installer never wanted to start
[01:38] <Shane_Fagan> No new theme yet :(
[01:39] <Shane_Fagan> I really want to get rid of the brown
[01:39] <iconicity> Ah! But I love the brown and orange!  I must be one of the lonely few ...
[01:40] <Shane_Fagan> Well sabdl loves it too
[01:40]  * BUGabundo $ sleep in 3,2,1, errrr. No Device Found
[01:43] <iconicity> I'm sure some combination of brown and orange will make its way into karmic ... these are ubuntu's token colors, after all
[01:44] <Shane_Fagan> well no matter what when Gnome 3.0 hits brown will be gone too
[01:44] <iconicity> dang
[01:44] <iconicity> oh well
[01:44] <Shane_Fagan> Gnome-Shell rocks the red hat guys are doing an awesome job
[01:44] <iconicity> I'll get used to it
[01:45] <Shane_Fagan> They are planning to have a preview of gnome 3.0 in karmic
[01:47] <iconicity> what do you mean by "preview"
[01:47] <Shane_Fagan> Well they are adding it to the repo
[01:49] <iconicity> ah, gotcha
[01:49] <iconicity> that's kinda cool
[01:49] <iconicity> alright, gotta run.  thanks for the cool info, Shane
[01:49] <Shane_Fagan> iconicity: You can build it and test it now
[02:13] <roland> Hi, I'm on karmic and with recent update sound stopped working. Is this a known problem or can I help to eliminate this bug?
[02:18] <RAOF> roland: I understand that it's a known bug; some form of {console,policy}kit snafu.
[02:20] <roland> ok .thx. I hope this will be fixed with next updates
[02:28] <roland> Will we see fingerprint support in KDE/karmic ?
[02:28] <roland> fedora already has that
[02:39] <atari2600a> hey, just a general question
[02:39] <atari2600a> I really like ubuntu & really wanna help with it's development
[02:39] <atari2600a> but I'm not exactly a programmer & not a good scripter either
[02:40] <Pici> !contribute  | atari2600a
[02:40] <atari2600a> would being an alpha/beta tester be a burden or actual  help?
[02:40] <atari2600a> yeah, I've seen /community/participate
[02:41] <atari2600a> I was just wondering if you want  the not-programmers filing bug reports :P
[02:42] <billybigrigger> anyone can file bug reports
[02:43] <atari2600a> of course, but do you think I would be actually helping instead of just being annoying?
[02:44] <billybigrigger> yes of course
[02:44] <atari2600a> if the former, I can clear 10gb off my HDD  & edit GRUB
[02:45] <atari2600a> oh yeah I'll have to insall GRUB2 manually, repartitioned by old grub2 /boot...
[02:45] <atari2600a> well, thanks
[02:45] <coz_> hey guys... I have been wanting to suggest this for about a year and keep forgettings:)  on gnome-look.org there is a cursor theme named "Ubuntu Crystal Cursors"  very nice and very appropriate for ubuntu/gnome
[02:45] <coz_> just though i would throw that out there
[02:48] <atari2600a> oh also is anyone here opped on #ubuntu?
[02:48] <atari2600a> months & months back I guess I lashed out there &  got +b'd, I feel like an ass because of it
[02:48] <atari2600a> I have  since been put  on anti-depressants
[02:49] <andresmujica1> atari2600a: try at #ubuntu-irc
[02:49] <atari2600a> thanks
[03:11] <Pici> ooh, new xscreensaver hacks
[03:17] <SeveredCross> Holy crap!
[03:17] <SeveredCross> Has anyone noticed devicekit-daemon leaking RAM like wild?
[03:19] <SeveredCross> Oh, *just* got reported.
[03:19] <SeveredCross> Literally just now.
[03:19] <SeveredCross> Looks like gnome-power-manager and devkit-power is to blame.
[03:28] <ubuntu> Is there a workaround for the karmic grub loader?
[03:55] <billybigrigger> SeveredCross::: how so
[03:55] <billybigrigger> SeveredCross::: i don't see any ram problems in top
[03:55] <billybigrigger> or am i not looking in the right place
[04:05] <SeveredCross> billybigrigger: top was showing 1 GB+ for devicekit-daemon
[04:05] <SeveredCross> There's a bug about it..LP 392918.
[04:06] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[04:06] <billybigrigger> what arch?
[04:06] <billybigrigger> Linux cabo 2.6.30-10-generic #12-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jun 22 16:30:32 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[04:06] <billybigrigger> all good here
[04:19] <SeveredCross> x86, 2.6.30-10-generic.
[04:22] <billybigrigger> hmm
[04:35] <billybigrigger> anyone testing the 2.6.31 kernel yet?
[05:03] <poseidon> has there/is there going to be any graphical changes in the default gnome desktop?  (I'm using an altered theme and can't tell)
[05:13] <billybigrigger> anyone here running the 2.6.31 kernel?
[05:13] <billybigrigger> i need some help, compositing and vbox kernel modules are throwing errors at me
[05:14] <billybigrigger> is there anyway i can rebuild this kernel? im not usually one to test rc kernels so i really don't know where to go from here
[05:15] <RAOF_> billybigrigger: Any particular reason you don't simply use 2.6.30-10-generic?  Or wait until 2.6.31-1-generic has passed NEW?
[05:16] <billybigrigger> other than i just wanted to test it, no
[05:18] <billybigrigger> i think i installed the wrong deb.
[05:18] <billybigrigger> i think i should have installed the kernel headers
[05:18] <RAOF_> Are you testing the packages from the NEW queue, or the vanilla kernel PPA thingy?
[05:18] <billybigrigger> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.31-rc1/
[05:18] <billybigrigger> where's the new queue?
[05:18] <RAOF_> You _certainly_ need the kernel headers if you're going to try to build any modules for the kernel.
[05:19] <billybigrigger> :P yup figured that now
[05:21] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[05:21] <DanaG> yargh, "marked for expiration"
[05:21] <DanaG> what's incomplete about it?
[05:24] <RAOF_> That seems fairly obvious; bryce would like some testing of the new driver in the xorg-edgers PPA.
[05:24] <RAOF_> The last comment.  Where he set the status back to incomplete...
[05:25] <SeveredCross> Um, WTF.
[05:25] <SeveredCross> Is sound broken for anyone with the latest round of updates?
[05:25] <RAOF_> Yes.
[05:26] <SeveredCross> -_-'
[05:26] <SeveredCross> I only get PA's null sink.
[05:26] <billybigrigger> sound working here
[05:26] <billybigrigger> what kind of audio hardware do you have?
[05:26] <SeveredCross> Well, cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp works, so it's just PA.
[05:26] <RAOF_> billybigrigger: Probably because you haven't updated to the broken {console,policy}kit version :)
[05:26] <SeveredCross> billybigrigger: HDA Intel.
[05:27] <billybigrigger> is it just on hda intel?
[05:27] <billybigrigger> fully updated, and sound working here
[05:28] <billybigrigger> have pantera screaming as we speak :)
[05:28] <billybigrigger> 00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP67 High Definition Audio (rev a1)
[05:29] <SeveredCross> Might just be intel.
[05:30] <SeveredCross> Great.
[05:30] <RAOF_> Or might require you to restart after updating.
[05:30] <SeveredCross> Aha.
[05:31] <SeveredCross> Seems like somewhere along the way, regular users lost the ability to access ALSA.
[05:31] <billybigrigger> i have
[05:31] <SeveredCross> Since a root alsamixer works fine, non-root reports errors.
[05:31] <billybigrigger> restarted that is, remember the rc kernel problem :P
[05:32] <SeveredCross> Root pulseaudio server works fine (requires root totem, but it works), non-root only has root sink.
[05:32] <SeveredCross> Uh-huh.
[05:33] <SeveredCross> PA reports errors.
[05:33] <billybigrigger> RAOF_::: so looking at the kernel ppa for the rc .31, i see headers, and source, and image, i don't need to install all the debs do it?
[05:33] <billybigrigger> and have i screwed myself over trying to install all of these? or in what order should i be doing this?
[05:34] <RAOF_> billybigrigger: You'd need image & headers.  But really, I wouldn't bother.  There'll be an official 2.6.31-1-generic package coming out of the NEW queue in the not too distant future, and you can actually file bugs against that!
[05:40] <billybigrigger> according to the queue it was released
[05:40] <billybigrigger> unless im reading that wrong
[05:40] <billybigrigger> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+queue
[05:40] <billybigrigger>  view files    	
[05:41] <billybigrigger> [Build] linux (amd64)
[05:41] <billybigrigger> 	2.6.31-1.13 				Release 	2009-06-26 13:55:47 MDT 2009-06-26
[05:43] <RAOF_> billybigrigger: If you expand that, you'll see that all the packages are marked as "NEW".  They're sitting in that queue until they're reviewed.
[05:48] <billybigrigger> right o
[06:10] <nhasian> ... and i'm back!
[06:27] <ghindo> It's safe to do a dist-upgrade to upgrade udev, right?  I read the changelog and it looks like upstream removed a package or something?
[06:40] <DanaG> ugh, notify-osd still fails badly if you try to change volume too many times, too quickly.
[06:41]  * SeveredCross still has no sound without root.
[06:42] <DanaG> ugh, either my motherboard is screwed up... or my power supply is.  Or somebody just wired the sensor chip badly.
[06:42] <DanaG> -12V:       -11.95 V  (min =  -1.18 V, max = -14.25 V)   ALARM
[06:42] <DanaG> -5V:         +3.54 V  (min =  -3.04 V, max =  -6.10 V)   ALARM
[06:42] <DanaG> -1 < -14?
[06:42] <DanaG> h  p://pas ebin.com/f3 008 b4
[06:42] <DanaG> argh.  damn /exec plugin.
[07:29] <SeveredCross> RAOF: I found a fix for the sound bug.
[07:29] <SeveredCross> RAOF: Add yourself to the audio group, things should magically begin to work.
[07:29] <RAOF> Oh?
[07:29] <RAOF> Right.
[07:30] <SeveredCross> /dev/dsp and all the files under /dev/snd are mode 660, owner root, group audio.
[07:30] <SeveredCross> But I'm not in the audio group for some reason.
[07:30] <SeveredCross> Probably a vagary of pulseaudio per-user sessions.
[07:34] <RAOF> No; it'll be because ConsoleKit _should_ give the active user access to the sound card.
[07:34] <SeveredCross> Hmm.
[07:34] <SeveredCross> Touche.
[07:36] <SeveredCross> Temporary fix seems to be to add yourself to the audio group, until ConsoleKit gets fixed.
[07:36] <SeveredCross> Fixes alsamixer, PulseAudio, etc.
[07:37] <RAOF> Right.
[07:38] <SeveredCross> I wonder who/what broke ConsoleKit.
[07:39] <Ng> removal of udev-extras is right, right? :)
[07:39] <SeveredCross> RAOF: ConsoleKit hasn't been touched in a while.
[07:39] <SeveredCross> Last changelog is in April.
[07:39] <SeveredCross> Ng: Aye.
[07:39] <RAOF> SeveredCross: Might be policykit :)
[07:40] <SeveredCross> I'm not seeing any PolicyKit changes relating to audio recently either.
[07:42] <RAOF> You haven't by any chance installed polkit-1 and polkit-gnome-1 recently? :)
[07:42] <RAOF> Sorry; policykit-1
[07:43] <SeveredCross> rI did.
[07:43] <SeveredCross> I think anyway, it's installed.
[07:43] <RAOF> Right.  This may well be the source of breakage.  Just because the changelog doesn't mention "break audio for the active console", doesn't mean it didn't :)
[07:43] <SeveredCross> True--looks like there were some user permissions changes.
[07:44] <SeveredCross> On a related note, anyone else find it interesting how more and more projects are standardizing on D-Bus rather than KCop (or whatever KDE's competing system is).
[07:45] <RAOF> No one cares about KDE, that's why :).  Also, got freedesktop'd, and such.
[07:45] <SeveredCross> Ah, KDE4 adopted DBus instead of DCOP.
[07:46] <SeveredCross> Not to mention that DBus is more portable, I don't think DCOP worked on OS X or Win32.
[07:46] <SeveredCross> Anyway, bedtime.
[07:58] <billybigrigger> my videos went all blue
[07:58] <billybigrigger> wtf
[09:18] <ripps> Does anybody know if it's okay to do the partial upgrade with udev? I think the reason it wants to do a partial upgrade is because they removed udev-extras from it's depends (i think)
[09:20] <Hobbsee> ripps: should be
[10:15] <BUGabundo> guud day
[10:19] <ripps> BUGabundo: güd day
[10:20] <BUGabundo> RAOF: hey so you package DO 0.8.2 ?
[10:20] <BUGabundo> great job
[10:20] <BUGabundo> I was really missing it yesterday
[10:20] <RAOF> Heh.
[10:21] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: cwillu: my nvidia keeps reseting HUE to -1000 :((
[10:21] <BUGabundo> RAOF: why do I loose all my Do settings on each upgrade ?
[10:21] <RAOF> BUGabundo: From now on, you shouldn't.
[10:21] <BUGabundo> what changed?
[10:22] <RAOF> The way we use mono.addins.  It will also mean that upgrading plugins works.
[10:23] <BUGabundo> yay
[10:24] <BUGabundo> RAOF: [Error 10:23:44.971] [PluginManager] ObjectsForAddin encountered an error: TargetInvocationException "Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation."
[10:25] <RAOF> BUGabundo: Want to pastebin the full output?
[10:25] <joaopinto> olá BUGabundo
[10:26] <BUGabundo> that's all I have on cli, where I started Do, since it was failing to start
[10:26] <BUGabundo> oh wait
[10:26] <BUGabundo> got more now
[10:26] <BUGabundo> pastebining
[10:27] <BUGabundo> RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/206836/
[10:27] <BUGabundo> ola joaopinto! dia 7 ja ta mais perto ;)
[10:27] <joaopinto> :)
[10:28] <RAOF> Owch.  Can you run that with "gnome-do --debug"?
[10:29] <Ian_Corne> whoa
[10:30] <BUGabundo> sure
[10:31] <BUGabundo> RAOF: should I file a but for the pastebin plugin to include paste.ubuntu.com ??
[10:31] <BUGabundo> its my main one!
[10:31] <BUGabundo> RAOF: its not closing :))
[10:32] <BUGabundo> RAOF: will it leak api keys or passwords?
[10:33] <RAOF> BUGabundo: It shouldn't.
[10:33] <BUGabundo> RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/206839/
[10:34] <RAOF> That looks like it should now be working, right?
[10:34] <RAOF> There's at least one problem there that I can trivially solve :)
[10:35] <BUGabundo> I've got more errors
[10:35] <BUGabundo> pastebining now
[10:36] <BUGabundo> that is IF FF doesn't crashs
[10:36] <BUGabundo> lol
[10:36] <RAOF> :)
[10:36] <robin0800> yesterday mp3 player not detected, today detected and mounted but continually disconnected and remounted
[10:36] <BUGabundo> robin0800: yeah the dbus bug still not fixed
[10:37] <BUGabundo> RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/206844/
[10:37] <robin0800> BUGabundo: Many thanks
[10:37] <BUGabundo> robin0800: np
[10:38] <BUGabundo> RAOF: should I file a but for the pastebin plugin to include paste.ubuntu.com ??
[10:42] <RAOF> There will be a brief haitus while -intel kills X.
[10:43] <RAOF> BUGabundo: You were talking about other errors?
[10:43] <BUGabundo> I already pasted it
[10:43] <BUGabundo> did you miss it RAOF ?
[10:43] <BUGabundo> hey Hew
[10:44] <RAOF> I certainly did.  It's no longer in backscroll, care of X dying in a fire.
[10:44] <Hew> hi BUGabundo
[10:44] <BUGabundo> ahah
[10:45] <BUGabundo> RAOF: I'll repaste all on PVT ok?
[10:45] <RAOF> OK.
[10:52] <BUGabundo> RAOF: got it ?
[10:55] <RAOF> yes
[10:55] <RAOF> thanks
[10:56] <BUGabundo> RAOF: so about paste?
[11:02] <RAOF> What about paste?  You mean - shall there be paste.ubuntu.com?
[11:04] <BUGabundo> RAOF: yes
[11:05] <RAOF> Sounds like a reasonable request.  If you'd like to file a bug, that'll put it on my todo list.
[11:09] <BUGabundo> sure
[11:09] <BUGabundo> give me 5 secs
[11:09] <BUGabundo> The problem cannot be reported:This is not a genuine Ubuntu package
[11:09] <BUGabundo> err I'll need a few extra :(
[11:14] <BUGabundo> RAOF: https://bugs.launchpad.net/do-plugins/+bug/393802
[11:14] <BUGabundo> good enough?
[11:16] <RAOF> Looks good.
[11:23] <henke> does anybody else have missing icons in KDE4 apps?
[13:19] <sjokkis> anyone know why power management is broken in karmic?
[13:26] <hoellp> hello, has anyone here tried the "new" gpointing-device-settings for configuring touchpads?
[13:26] <hoellp> it works mostly normal, but it forgets the settings regarding circular scrolling between reboots
[13:27] <hoellp> does anyone know where the settings are supposed to be saved?
[13:45] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:45] <hoellp> hoi
[14:15] <hoellp> hello, has anyone here tried the "new" gpointing-device-settings for configuring touchpads?
[14:35] <ubuntu_> Does the Koala have a known bug that blows away menu.lst on reboot?
[14:35] <Hobbsee> no?
[14:35] <ubuntu_> Damn it
[14:35] <shane_fagan> I have to say no too
[14:35] <shane_fagan> Did you delete it yourself
[14:35] <shane_fagan> ?
[14:35] <ubuntu_> Whats going on then
[14:36] <shane_fagan> Do you do something to it?
[14:36] <ubuntu_> shane_fagan: no I saw it do it. I rebooted and pressed e to show someone the syntax for a linux image
[14:36] <ubuntu_> I pressed enter and b and it said that it couldn't comply with --no-floppy
[14:37] <ubuntu_> I shrugged and choose another entry on the list and that also got wiped
[14:37] <shane_fagan> hmmm the floppy problem is known but it shouldnt be that much of a probelm
[14:37] <shane_fagan> problem
[14:37] <ubuntu_> choose a recovery session and that gets wiped
[14:37] <ubuntu_> the only entry in the menu when you look at it is root (hd0,1)
[14:37] <ubuntu_> how do I get around the no floppy issue?
[14:38] <hoellp> ubuntu_, i guess you did a "half-switch" to grub2
[14:38] <ubuntu_> A half-switch ?
[14:38] <hoellp> ubuntu_, you installed it to chainload grub1 -> grub2
[14:38] <hoellp> and grub1 doesn't read the floppy entry
[14:39] <ubuntu_> I don't know but it's a brand new machine with nothing on the hard drive I formatted it and installed a daily CD from Friday
[14:39] <ubuntu_> how do I ensure that it's grub2 on it?
[14:39] <ubuntu_> well actualyl ... they may have had a bootloader on the drive the drive itself isn't new
[14:39] <shane_fagan> Oh so you didnt chainload then
[14:40] <ubuntu_> no there was nothing on the drive but that doesnt mean that it didn't have a bootloader
[14:40] <hoellp> ok, then you probably just need to install some updates
[14:40] <shane_fagan> All the fresh installs have grub by default
[14:40] <ubuntu_> shane_fagan: grub2 ?
[14:40] <shane_fagan> yep
[14:40] <ubuntu_> hoellp: Well when I installed yesterday I ran updates
[14:40] <BluesKaj> ubuntu_, restart your pc with the live cd and then navigate to this site and follow the instructions http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[14:41] <ubuntu_> Today the machine complains about floppy
[14:41] <ubuntu_> BluesKaj: \0/
[14:41] <shane_fagan> hmmm can you get into recovery
[14:41] <ubuntu_> BluesKaj: You may have guessed I booted in to the Live CD already
[14:41] <ubuntu_> shane_fagan: No when I choose it it wipes the grub entry
[14:42] <shane_fagan> Ooh thats no good
[14:42] <BluesKaj> well then go there and you will restore grub
[14:42] <hoellp> and very strange behaviour
[14:42] <hoellp> hmm
[14:42] <hoellp> but what still bothers me, grub2 doesn't use "b" to boot anymore
[14:42] <ubuntu_> oh? what does that do?
[14:43] <hoellp> it's ctrl+x
[14:43] <hoellp> but it states it clearly when you enter edit-mode
[14:43] <ubuntu_> ah right
[14:43] <hoellp> b usually just writes a b ;)
[14:43] <shane_fagan> Hmmm the only updates yesterday that I remember were for policykit, maybe that has something to do with it. I lost sound after the update yesterday because of that
[14:43] <ubuntu_> hoellp: yes but you would press b when you are not in edit mode
[14:43] <hoellp> y, i lost sound too
[14:44] <shane_fagan> Its a permissions problem
[14:44] <ubuntu_> shane_fagan: keep in mind that it would be all updates from last week friday
[14:44] <shane_fagan> They are working on the fix
[14:44] <ubuntu_> Or thursday I would guess since that's when the CD was made
[14:44] <shane_fagan> ubuntu_: oh
[14:44] <ubuntu_> oh that's why I have no sound :) I thought that Ubuntu was just enjoying being the regression king
[14:44] <hoellp> ubuntu_, can you chroot into the system?
[14:45] <hoellp> or is that too much?
[14:45] <ubuntu_> hoellp: yes
[14:45] <ubuntu_> I'm chrooted over there <-----
[14:45] <ubuntu_> tty1
[14:45] <hoellp> could you check if your really have grub2?
[14:45] <shane_fagan> sudo addgroup username audio do this to restore the sound
[14:45] <hoellp> and just try grub-install /dev/sda?
[14:45] <ubuntu_> BluesKaj: That's a nice tutorial but doesn't work for grub2
[14:45] <shane_fagan> log out afterwards
[14:45] <hoellp> shane_fagan, thx
[14:46] <ubuntu_> I get a grub-probe error
[14:46] <hoellp> sudo aptitude install grub-pc
[14:47] <hoellp> or reinstall if it is installed and dpkg-reconfigure it afterwards
[14:47] <hoellp> i still have a problem with my touchpad
[14:47] <hoellp> it configures ok with gpointing-device-settings
[14:48] <BluesKaj> ubuntu_, a lot of ppl use another pc to communicate in order fix probs so I usually assume this is the case ..anything on launchpad ?
[14:48] <hoellp> but after a reboot the startingborder for circ scrolling is always reset
[14:48] <hoellp> grub-pc is the package for grub2
[14:48] <hoellp> debconf suggests you install it to chainload, but you should probably install it all the way
[14:48] <BluesKaj> damn grub2 , what's the purpose , the old one worked just fine :(
[14:49] <hoellp> BluesKaj, y, as did unix...
[14:50] <BluesKaj> now we can't help those stuck in grub2 hell
[14:50] <hoellp> BluesKaj, still, if you use alpha it's kinda your own fault
[14:50] <shane_fagan> It has a lot more options
[14:50] <hoellp> and that's what we're here for, to prepare the transition
[14:50] <BluesKaj> same goes for that dumb packagekit
[14:51] <shane_fagan> its just not configured right yet
[14:51] <shane_fagan> Its a lot better than the alternative
[14:51] <BluesKaj> hoellp, I'm not stuck with grub 2 hell, but I feel that it's unecessary
[14:51] <hoellp> BluesKaj, actually, that doesn't bother me much
[14:52] <shane_fagan> same here
[14:52] <hoellp> if that was reason enough to leave it as it was, there'd be no change at all
[14:52] <Daskreech> ok the machine froze when I reconfigured grub-pc
[14:52] <hoellp> if you can't stand it, you're probably wrong in the market of IT
[14:52] <shane_fagan> I think we have to update the software to the recent versions
[14:52] <Daskreech> But I decided to use the entry that wasn't wiped and just remove the no-floppy and it booted :-D
[14:53] <Daskreech> Thanks for the info
[14:53] <BluesKaj> yeah , so how do you guys help those ppl who are asking , hoellp, shane_fagan ?
[14:53] <hoellp> Daskreech, that's a start
[14:53] <hoellp> BluesKaj, we try at least
[14:53] <BluesKaj> try what?
[14:53] <hoellp> to help...
[14:53] <shane_fagan> Try to answer peoples questions
[14:54] <BluesKaj> ah nm, i already asked how
[14:54] <hoellp> Daskreech, could you check what grub packages are installed?
[14:54] <shane_fagan> Sure its change but that is what we have to do to stay up to date and include the best software available
[14:55] <hoellp> i upgraded this machine and the transition went from grub1 to grub2 went very well
[14:55] <shane_fagan> So although it may be a pain but they will be configured better closer to release
[14:55] <hoellp> no hickups or errors at all
[14:55] <Daskreech> hoellp: sure
[14:56] <shane_fagan> Well chainloading shouldnt cause a hickup at all
[14:56] <hoellp> shane_fagan, y but i only did it once to check and then installed it full
[14:56] <hoellp> i also had grub2 on jaunty in my last setup
[14:57] <shane_fagan> Hmmm cool
[14:57] <Daskreech> hoellp: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/206970/
[14:57] <miik> why my audio is no work?
[14:58] <miik> it say Device: Playback: Null Output (PulseAudio Mixer)
[14:58] <hoellp> Daskreech, sudo grub-setup /dev/sda (or the disc of your choice)
[14:58] <shane_fagan> miik: i can fix that
[14:58] <miik> not me
[14:59] <shane_fagan> "sudo addgroup username audio" then log out
[14:59] <miik> o
[14:59] <miik> thx
[14:59] <shane_fagan> That should fix it
[15:00] <miik> thanks
[15:02] <instructor_> hoellp: no errors
[15:02] <shane_fagan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1/+bug/393665
[15:03] <shane_fagan> If anyone wants to look at the bug that was filed for the sound problem
[15:03] <hoellp> instructor_, so, does it work now or not?
[15:04] <instructor_> hoellp: not sure I'm writing up something at the moment so I can't reboot
[15:04] <hoellp> ok
[15:05] <hoellp> instructor_, you can read https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Grub2 later, it seems to be very comprehensive
[15:05] <yoasif> cwillu, around?
[15:06] <yoasif> if any of you guys use twitter/identica, im alpha testing a site like it, so msg me if you are interested in playing with it :)
[15:06] <instructor_> hoellp: Sure
[15:06] <instructor_> yoasif: mee :)
[15:07] <hoellp> yoasif, wanna see it too please
[15:13] <BluesKaj> interesting news  http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/Linux-New-Media-Launches-Ubuntu-User-Magazine
[15:13] <miik> dpkg: error processing screen-profiles (--configure):
[15:13] <miik> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[15:13] <miik> Errors were encountered while processing: screen-profiles
[15:13] <miik> why??
[15:13] <shane_fagan> ?
[15:14] <miik> ya, you dont have that?
[15:14] <shane_fagan> Sounds like a bug
[15:14] <miik> E: screen-profiles: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[15:14] <miik> ya
[15:14] <yoasif> hoellp, heya sorry for getting back to you so late
[15:14] <miik> cuz they renamed screen-profiles to byobu or something
[15:15] <miik> thats stupid, with 'screen-profiles', i know what it is, named 'byubu' i have no idea what it is
[15:16] <hoellp> yoasif, no problem, i'm just interested
[15:16] <hoellp> yoasif, i'm not the blogging kinda guy anyways
[15:16] <yoasif> hoellp, check your pm
[15:16] <hoellp> hmm
[15:17] <yoasif> hoellp, if you know how to
[15:17] <hoellp> lol, no
[15:17] <miik> i removed screen-profiles, and re-installed byobu, hope that fix
[15:18] <hoellp> damit, xchat-gnome is bad
[15:18] <miik> yeah, its bad usability
[15:19] <miik> it doesnt follow HIG
[15:19] <hoellp> and it doesn't show private msgs
[15:19] <miik> oh
[15:19] <hoellp> can someone try to msg me again?
[15:19] <hoellp> i can't believe that...
[15:20] <miik> i just did
[15:20] <hoellp> ah, it's there...
[15:20] <miik> :D
[15:20] <miik> :)
[15:20] <hoellp> plz forgive me nice program ;)
[15:20]  * shane_fagan uses empathy for IRC
[15:21] <hoellp> empathy does irc?
[15:21] <shane_fagan> Yep
[15:21] <hoellp> hmm
[15:21] <hoellp> not for me, which version?
[15:22] <shane_fagan> You have to install the telephony plugin for that functionality
[15:23] <hoellp> omg, how could they name it "-idle"
[15:23] <hoellp> that's really hard to find
[15:23] <Ian_Corne> How much work is it to get my nvidia 6200 working under karmic?
[15:24] <hoellp> as much as under jaunty?
[15:24] <hoellp> 3 clicks using jockey-gtk...
[15:24] <Ian_Corne> kk
[15:25] <hoellp> is there a way to auth automatically in empathy?
[15:25] <yoasif> hoellp, i don't want to send the link in chat, so check your pm if possible :)
[15:25] <hoellp> does it use the password for chanserv?
[15:26] <shane_fagan> what do you mean?
[15:26] <hoellp> i want to automatically auth with chanserv on connection to freenode
[15:27] <shane_fagan> It connects to the serrver but wont join channels for you
[15:27] <shane_fagan> server
[15:27] <mahfiaz> hoellp, pidgin does it fine for me
[15:27] <hoellp> i know pidgin does it
[15:28] <hoellp> but i switched to empathy
[15:28] <shane_fagan> Empathy has a lot better UI
[15:28] <hoellp> mom, gone for a while
[15:28] <shane_fagan> Same here
[15:28] <shane_fagan> But I did it just to test mainly
[15:29] <BluesKaj> konversation will do that hoel
[15:29] <hoellp> ok
[15:29] <hoellp> that looks very good, it uses serverpassword for chanserv
[15:30]  * BluesKaj wonders what the obession is with using IMs for irc
[15:31] <hoellp> BluesKaj: why use more than 1 program to communicate?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> cuz the clients written for IRC work better than those so called all-in-one clients \
[15:32] <hoellp> concerning what?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> NM, I'm not going get into a silly debate over this stuff
[15:33] <hoellp> it is...
[15:34] <shane_fagan> Its just the integration
[15:34] <shane_fagan> So we have everything all in one
[15:34] <shane_fagan> Pidgin does a very good job at IRC
[15:34] <shane_fagan> And empathy isnt too bad
[15:34] <shane_fagan> hmm it isnt silly
[15:35] <hoellp> it is a silly discussion
[15:35] <hoellp> luckily there are tools for every possible taste
[15:46] <JamalFanaian> Hi, is anyone else having issues with the fglrx drivers? I can get them installed but they are not loading.
[15:46] <JamalFanaian> I am running Karmic alpha 2, and I have ran updates
[15:47] <BluesKaj> hoellp, isuspect it's a generation gap thing ..Ive been using IRC for 11 yrs well, before any of these IMs had IRC access
[15:55] <hoellp> BluesKaj: i'm using irc for ~8 years myself, but always hated that i need a seperate program
[15:55] <hoellp> though i still love irssi ;)
[16:04] <JamalFanaian> Hm... am I really the only one having issues with fglrx? That's depressing :(
[16:05] <hoellp> just nvidia ;)
[16:05] <BluesKaj> hoellp, I like to use the tool that is designed for a specific task , not a swiss army knife approach.
[16:05] <BluesKaj> JamalFanaian, which atri card
[16:06] <BluesKaj> ati
[16:06] <JamalFanaian> It's an R4350
[16:07] <JamalFanaian> It worked fine when I installed Karmic the first time, but I screwed up something and decided to reinstall and it just won't work...
[16:07] <JamalFanaian> I'm guessing it's due to some updates to the kernel
[16:07] <JamalFanaian> (I think the updates to the 2.6.30 kernel happened in between but I'm not completely sure)
[16:08] <hoellp> BluesKaj: i get what you mean, but i guess for me communicating is the thing i wanna do, regardless of the protocol
[16:16] <BluesKaj> JamalFanaian, my experience is that you have to purge the old driver first before upgrading to the new one.
[16:17] <JamalFanaian> BluesKaj, Will using apt-get remove --purge fglrx-* suffice?
[16:18] <BluesKaj> no, you nedd the exact driver name
[16:18] <BluesKaj> need
[16:18] <hoellp> apt-get purge --purge ... purges everything
[16:18] <hoellp> and apt-get works with wildcards
[16:18] <hoellp> so it would be possible
[16:18] <JamalFanaian> hoellp, yeah which is why i did fglrix-*
[16:18] <JamalFanaian> BluesKaj, Are you referring to the xorg-driver-fglrx package?
[16:19] <BluesKaj> well, to be absolutely sure i would still use the drib=ver name as listed in a package manager
[16:19] <BluesKaj> err driver name
[16:20] <JamalFanaian> BluesKaj, You're confusing me a bit, how do I find that?
[16:20] <JamalFanaian> Sorry I'm a bit behind when it comes to these things :\
[16:21] <BluesKaj> look in adept or packagekit or whatever package manager you use , fglrx will suffice to bring up the installed driver
[16:21] <JamalFanaian> BluesKaj, Oh ok, that's how I found that name so I guess that's it. Let me try that. :)
[16:21] <hoellp> JamalFanaian: which ui do you use?
[16:22] <hoellp> and can't you just use jockey?
[16:23] <JamalFanaian> hoellp, UI? I'm using gnome. Is that what you mean?
[16:23] <JamalFanaian> And what is jockey?
[16:23] <hoellp> you find jockey under system hardware drivers
[16:24] <JamalFanaian> Ah I used hardware drivers to first install the fglrx drivers. And I was using aptitude and dpkg from terminal to find out which packages were installed, and to purge them.
[16:24] <Pici> The Hardware Drivers tool is jockey.
[16:24] <hoellp> could you explain what the problem was in the first place?
[16:25] <JamalFanaian> Pici, Oh! Ok, I didn't know it went by that name since I always used it by just going to System > Hardware Drivers
[16:25] <JamalFanaian> hoellp, Yeah, direct rendering wasn't working.. and jockey said that the driver was installed and not in use
[16:26] <JamalFanaian> I'm trying what BluesKaj recommended, by purging all my fglrx packages and will be reinstalling them in a few
[16:26] <JamalFanaian> Brb, I'm going to restart
[16:26] <BluesKaj> don't restart
[16:26] <BluesKaj> uhoh
[16:27] <hoellp> ...
[16:27] <hoellp> hopefully the driver really wasn't in use ;)
[16:27] <BluesKaj> oh well HAL will take care of business, i hope
[16:27] <BluesKaj> generic
[16:28] <BluesKaj> he'll have crappy resolution , but one never knows now that Xorg is so depenendent on HAL
[16:28] <hoellp> actually i really like how it works now, it's much better than before
[16:29] <Pici> Well, its going away eventually.
[16:30] <hoellp> hopefully X is going the same way sometime
[16:30] <BluesKaj> let's hope his card is supported , cuz that's not real popular ati card
[16:30] <Pici> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Halsectomy
[16:31] <BluesKaj>  X.org input device detection needs migration to libudev
[16:32] <BluesKaj> interesting ...i know nothing about udev , is it going to be ditable like Xorg.conf was ?
[16:32] <BluesKaj> editable
[16:36] <hoellp> i gotta go for now, cya
[16:40] <BluesKaj> cool, looks like it will be editable http://linuxcommand.org/man_pages/udev8.html
[16:40] <JamalFanaian> Sorry that took a bit, I reinstalled the fglrx drivers but still have no direct rendering
[16:41] <BluesKaj> no fglrxgears
[16:41] <JamalFanaian> BluesKaj, Isn't it glxgears?
[16:42] <JamalFanaian> BluesKaj, glxgears gives me an error if i try to open it
[16:42] <BluesKaj> it used to be that xorg.conf was editable to add the 3d and DRI capablilty
[16:42] <JamalFanaian> Oh ok sorry
[16:42] <BluesKaj> no, for ati cards it's fglrxgears , but you have to install the app
[16:44] <BluesKaj> weel either fglrx_gears or fglrx-gears
[16:46] <BluesKaj> what does glxinfo give you , JamalFanaian ?
[16:48] <JamalFanaian> BluesKaj, http://pastebin.com/me2990b4 This is what I get
[16:58] <BluesKaj> JamalFanaian, which command gives that output ?
[16:58] <JamalFanaian> BluesKaj, glxinfo
[16:59] <JamalFanaian> BluesKaj, well, any fglrx command for that matter
[16:59] <JamalFanaian> BluesKaj, glxgears, fglrxinfo also give me the same error
[16:59] <chrissturm> anyone here has experience resizing a linux software raid 5?
[17:00] <BluesKaj> JamalFanaian, lspci | grep -i vga
[17:00] <JamalFanaian> BluesKaj, 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV710 [Radeon HD 4350]
[17:00] <BluesKaj> good, so it sees the card
[17:01] <BluesKaj> JamalFanaian, which package manager do you use again ?
[17:02] <JamalFanaian> BluesKaj, Well I installed the drivers using jockey. I purged them and reinstalled them using apt-get in the command line though.
[17:02] <BluesKaj> i wanted to see which drivers would show up if you typed Radeon HD 4350 into the searchbar
[17:03] <BluesKaj> of the package manager , like adept or synaptic
[17:03] <JamalFanaian> well i have to admit, the fglrx drivers worked fine in jaunty
[17:03] <JamalFanaian> and they worked fine when i first used alpha 2
[17:03] <JamalFanaian> but i installed a daily build from a few days ago and that's when it stopped working
[17:07] <BluesKaj> karmic being in dev-stage one has to expect drivers to be not quite up to par , but ati is paricularly difficult on linux . That's why I bought a 2 yr old nvidia card GEForce 7600GT , cuz i got tired of struggling with my ati onboard .
[17:09] <JamalFanaian> BluesKaj, yeah you're right.. i'm not complaining as I understand I'm running an alpha distro right now
[17:09] <JamalFanaian> I just wanted to see if I could figure out how to fix it
[17:09] <JamalFanaian> I'll live without direct rendering for now and wait for updates
[17:10] <BluesKaj> I think there's an ati chat nbut it's not (k)ubuntu specific
[17:11] <BluesKaj> so which driver is installed , JamalFanaian ?
[17:12] <JamalFanaian> xorg-driver-fglrx is the name of the package
[17:12] <JamalFanaian> xorg-driver-fglrx_8.620-0ubuntu2_amd64
[17:13] <BluesKaj> oh amd64 , no wonder ;p
[17:15] <BluesKaj> that's a rare bird
[17:19] <JamalFanaian> err yeah
[17:19] <JamalFanaian> lol
[18:14] <instructor_> My issue with IM IRC clients is they suck at looking for new channels
[18:17] <shane_fagan> Is the update manager broken for everyone else?
[18:17] <shane_fagan> Oh not broken just unable to check for new updates
[18:18] <tgpraveen> instructor_: empathy does taht better than pidgin
[18:19] <Twigathy> woooo, breakage
[18:19] <Twigathy> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg_1%3a7.4+3ubuntu1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/hal/debian-setup-keyboard', which is also in package hal
[18:19] <shane_fagan> Processing triggers for man-db ...
[18:19] <shane_fagan> Errors were encountered while processing:
[18:19] <shane_fagan>  /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg_1%3a7.4+3ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[18:19] <shane_fagan> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[18:19] <shane_fagan> Same here
[18:19] <Twigathy> yay, we both got the same. :)
[18:20] <shane_fagan> Twigathy: Eh not yay
[18:20] <Twigathy> looks like that update will have to wait a short while
[18:20] <shane_fagan> yep'
[18:20] <shane_fagan> but does update manager work properly on your computer?
[18:21] <shane_fagan> Twigathy: ^
[18:21] <Twigathy> yes
[18:21] <Twigathy> well, most of the time
[18:21] <Twigathy> I sometimes have some weird issues restarting udev
[18:21] <shane_fagan> Hmm not on mine at the moment
[18:44] <MartinoT> Salve a tutti
[18:44] <BluesKaj> !it | MartinoT
[18:45] <MartinoT> sorry
[18:46] <BluesKaj> np MartinoT , you can still ask in english if you like
[18:48] <MartinoT> Thanks, I have a problem with the last upgrade of xserver-xorg for koala
[18:50] <MartinoT> Overwrite an attempt on the part of xserver at /usr/lib/hal/debian-setup-keyboard
[18:50] <Sarvatt> the fix is uploaded, it'll be up soon MartinoT
[18:51] <Sarvatt> xorg 1:7.4+3ubuntu2
[18:52] <MartinoT> yes
[18:53] <MartinoT> this is a version
[18:54] <MartinoT> This problem leads to not boot ubuntu.
[18:54] <Sarvatt> you have 3ubuntu1 if you have the problem still, the fix isnt published yet
[18:55] <MartinoT> i will wait the upgrade
[18:56] <MartinoT> you know when it is published?
[18:56] <MartinoT> yes i have 3ubuntu1
[18:56] <Sarvatt> should be up any minute now, hal 0.5.12+git20090626-0ubuntu2 is also part of it
[18:58] <MartinoT> thank you very much, i wait
[19:00] <MartinoT> it will be available from apt-get upgrade, right?
[19:01] <shane_fagan> yes
[19:06] <MartinoT> thx
[19:20] <instructor_> tgpraveen: And konversation does better than both :)
[19:21] <tgpraveen> hmm dont use kde so dont know
[19:21] <tgpraveen> is kopete different from konversation?
[19:39] <tel0s> is this the correct channel to discuss UNR?
[19:40] <Tekno> This is for Ubuntu 9.10
[19:41] <tel0s> ah, could you be so kind as to point me in the right direction then?
[19:41] <Tekno> #ubuntu
[19:41] <SERGIU_CH_> :D
[19:42] <instructor_> tgpraveen: yes it is it's the KDE equivalent of empathy
[19:42] <instructor_> Konversation is the equivalent of xchat
[19:42] <instructor_> Minus uber scripting >_>
[19:43] <tgpraveen> instructor_: does kopete have audio/vid support for any
[19:43] <tgpraveen> protocol?
[19:54] <amikrop> What will Karmic be released so late? I mean why will it take more than 3 months (the regular time period)?
[19:54] <amikrop> s/What/Why
[19:54] <Tekno> ehh what you mean?
[19:55] <hggdh> amikrop, we release a new Ubuntu version every 6 months (on April and October)
[19:56] <amikrop> hggdh: That's what you always did?
[19:56] <hggdh> this is the .04 and .10 of the version numbers
[19:56] <hggdh> amikrop, yes
[19:56] <amikrop> oh, my mistake, then
[19:56] <amikrop> thank you :-)
[19:56] <hggdh> welcome
[20:02] <instructor_> tgpraveen: Umm yahoo and MSN I think
[20:02] <instructor_> and skype
[20:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi, can anybody connect to yahoo messenger today from karmic?
[20:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I know the protocol changed recently but karmic's pidgin had the issue addressed
[20:31] <DanaG> ugh, Empathy sucks at IRC.
[20:31] <instructor_> Le-Chuck_ITA: might need to change the server it's trying then
[20:31] <DanaG> When nickserv or chanserv message you, it just sits there BLINKING the icon at you.
[20:31] <MartinoT> I have a problem with the last upgrade of xserver-xorg for koala, i wait the fix (hal 0.5.12+git20090626-0ubuntu2) others see it in the mirror, I'm not (by apt-get dist-upgrade)
[20:31] <DanaG> BLINK BLINK BLINK BLINK BLINK BLINK
[20:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> DanaG: I agree with you empathy sucks at irc :)
[20:32] <DanaG> And "manage favorites" has no ADD button.  And there's no support for /join.
[20:33] <hoellp> hey
[20:34] <DanaG> heh, and it just crashed... and left a damaged problem report.
[20:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> DanaG: and when it crashes, be careful because sometimes the daemon remains connected to whatever network you were on
[20:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> they didn't want to mark this as a security problem though :)
[20:34] <hoellp> is there a way to get a working /etc/gdm somewhere?
[20:35] <hggdh> sum. Seems gksudo is broken on latest karmic
[20:35] <hoellp> gdm totally broke here...
[20:35] <hoellp> and, dumb as i am, i just deleted the folder instead of backing up
[20:35] <DanaG> sudo aptitude reinstall gdm
[20:35] <hoellp> and neither gdm nor apt makes a new one
[20:35] <hggdh> hoellp, reinstalling gdm should recover
[20:35] <hoellp> nope, doesnt do a thing
[20:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hoellp apt-get remove --purge gdm
[20:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and then reinstall??
[20:36] <DanaG> hmm, you could try switching to console, then sudo dpkg --force-depends --purge gdm
[20:36] <DanaG> then reinstall it.
[20:36] <hoellp> thats my status, i purged
[20:36] <DanaG> YOu'll need force-depends, or it'll remove tons of other stuff.
[20:36] <hoellp> and installed slim, to be able to login
[20:36] <DanaG> oh, and ekiga.net won't log in.
[20:37] <hoellp> nope, its not too bad, it just deletes fusa as well
[20:37] <DanaG> and ubuntu-desktop.
[20:37] <hoellp> which doesnt remove the rest, like it did before
[20:38] <hggdh> gdm and x11-common use /etc/gdm
[20:38] <hoellp> still, it doesnt create a /etc/gdm
[20:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> DanaG: exactly :) and empathy is supposed to be better than pidgin just for the video/audio thing
[20:39] <hoellp> trying something else, hopefully back in a min
[20:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hoellp if you want I can give you mine
[20:40] <DanaG> bad strings: "replace disk" "erase disk"
[20:40] <DanaG> on CD-RW.
[20:40] <DanaG> Should be "Eject", not "Replace"
[20:40] <DanaG> because "replace" implies... erase and overwrite.
[20:40] <dupondje> is firefox 3.5 final now in repo's ?
[20:40] <dupondje> :)
[20:40] <DanaG> to me, at least.
[20:42] <DanaG> Is empathy supposed to be able to voice-chat over AIM?
[20:42] <DanaG> And where are the audio-device preferences in empathy?
[20:43] <instructor_> ok Should I bother and try to fix my audio :(
[20:44] <DanaG> oh, and you can't add contacts to IRC!
[20:44] <DanaG> Screw empathy... I'm going back to pidgin.
[20:48] <paul___> hmpf
[20:48] <hoellp> what a fail
[20:48] <hoellp> can anyone send me a working gdm.conf, it seems mine cant find the Xserver...
[20:49] <DanaG> pidgin > empathy.  =P
[20:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hoellp got it
[20:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> tell me how to send it to you :) e-mail in pm is o
[20:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> k
[20:50] <hoellp> Le-Chuck_ITA: lets see... i only got irssi for the moment
[20:51] <tormod> warning: do not update and restart X right now !
[20:51] <hoellp> oh really ...
[20:51] <hoellp> a bit late for me
[20:51] <tormod> wait for a new gdm, or hold back xorg
[20:51] <tormod> you can start X with... startx
[20:51] <hoellp> too late for both, i ran exactly in the gab
[20:51] <hoellp> gap
[20:52] <hoellp> not really
[20:52] <dupondje> linux-image meta package isn't updated yet ?
[20:52] <hoellp> only as root...
[20:52] <hoellp> which i dont really like
[20:53] <pace_t_zulu> anyone else experiencing problems with X at the moment?
[20:53] <pace_t_zulu> in karmic
[20:53] <hoellp> yep, me
[20:53] <hoellp> i got every problem i can think of
[20:54] <nixternal> here, I will make you feel better..I have them too
[20:54] <hoellp> wrong keyboard layout, no gdm, no X itself...
[20:54] <hoellp> thx nixternal...
[20:54] <tormod> you can edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and replace all /usr/X11R6/bin/X with /usr/bin/X
[20:54] <hoellp> tormod: not even my x alone starts
[20:54] <hoellp> but ill try a failsafe xorg.conf
[20:55] <tormod> hoellp, startx does not work for you?
[20:55] <hoellp> not it says i cant run it as user
[20:56] <hoellp> if i try with sudo i get a black screen
[20:56] <tormod> that must be broken. is your /usr/bin/X suid?
[20:57] <hoellp> tormod: that means exactly?
[20:57] <tormod> ls -l reports -rwsr-s-r-x
[20:58] <instructor_> tormod: What's going on?
[20:58] <tormod> s=suid bit, changes uid to owner of file
[20:58] <hoellp> nearly, its -rwsr-sr-r
[20:58] <tormod> hoellp, can not be r at the end
[20:58] <hoellp> x of course
[20:58] <DanaG> grr, compiz on r100 / rv200 is buggy.
[20:59] <instructor_> hoellp: owned by root root ?
[20:59] <hoellp> yep
[20:59] <tormod> yes
[20:59] <DanaG> It's slow as all hell... until you trigger Benchmark.
[20:59] <hoellp> everything seems normal to me
[20:59] <instructor_> having that be SUID is kinda funny :)
[21:00] <tormod> instructor_, why? it's not funny, and it will go away the day we have kms everywhere
[21:00] <hoellp> i dont understand why startx doesnt work for the user
[21:00] <tormod> hoellp, is your /dev/null ok?
[21:01] <hoellp> it seems so
[21:01] <hoellp> hard to check if nothing is there ...
[21:01] <hoellp> but i can redirect there at least
[21:01] <hoellp> and it exists
[21:01] <tormod> ok I just mean the permissions :)
[21:02] <hoellp> crw-rw-rw root:root
[21:02] <tormod> just remember some complaints about it in another channel without checking to much
[21:02] <pace_t_zulu> hoellp: is there a bug report on launchpad?
[21:02] <tormod> anyway, a new gdm has been uploaded
[21:02] <hoellp> pace_t_zulu: i got no gui, so launchpad is not really an option
[21:03] <hoellp> tormod: not here yet...
[21:03] <instructor_> tormod: I mean it's funny that root owwns it and User is SUID it's kinda pointless
[21:03] <tormod> wait for gdm 2.20.10-0ubuntu4
[21:03] <tormod> instructor_, read man chmod
[21:04] <tormod> instructor_, or google for suid executable
[21:04] <hoellp> ok
[21:04] <hoellp> but there is another strange behaviour
[21:05] <hoellp> if i start gdm now i get a terminal on vc7 pointing to /var/lib/gdm with root
[21:05] <instructor_> tormod: bah duh I knew that. What was I thinking
[21:06]  * instructor_ grumbles and curls up with a pillow
[21:06] <hoellp> afk for the time, thanks for the (moral) support
[21:07] <dupondje> sound broken ?
[21:07] <MartinoT> they know what file (to update your sources.list apt) has been the fix for the latest update to xserver?
[21:09] <instructor_> dupondje: yep
[21:10] <dupondje> what package broke it ? :x
[21:11] <pace_t_zulu> so this X issue is because the xserver has been upgraded and the gdm package doesn't reflect it yet?
[21:11] <tormod> pace_t_zulu, yes, "xorg" was updated
[21:11] <pace_t_zulu> tormod: so we're just waiting on the gdm package to get updated then...
[21:12] <hoellp> yep
[21:12] <pace_t_zulu> no worries then...
[21:12] <hoellp> and i hate to be on cable...
[21:12] <pace_t_zulu> recently upgraded to ext4... wasn't sure if my file system was hosed
[21:13] <hoellp> is there an easy way to connect to a wifi saved in NM?
[21:13] <hoellp> from cli i mean
[21:15] <Blues-Man> hello
[21:15] <Blues-Man> i have several problem with jaunty jackalope
[21:15] <hoellp> wrong channel...
[21:15] <Blues-Man> about video and wifi on kubuntu
[21:15] <Blues-Man> where to ask
[21:15] <hoellp> this is for karmic koala, the alpha release
[21:15] <instructor_> Blues-Man: #kubuntu
[21:16] <Blues-Man> i m lost in launchpad threads..
[21:16] <Blues-Man> kk is available somewhere?
[21:16] <hoellp> just join #kubuntu
[21:16] <Blues-Man> yes
[21:16] <hoellp> they will help you
[21:16] <Blues-Man> read from topic about kk
[21:17] <dupondje> instructor_: my sound is back now :D
[21:18] <Blues-Man> i think karmic will break less my system then jj
[21:18] <Blues-Man> :)
[21:18] <Pici> I doubt it.
[21:18] <instructor_> dupondje: What did you do?
[21:18] <hoellp> Blues-Man: don't think about it
[21:18] <instructor_> Blues-Man: Ha ha haha hah ha ha
[21:18] <Blues-Man> why, here wifi Gui staff is is not working, system crash for mesa
[21:19] <instructor_> but try a live cd if you like
[21:19] <hoellp> karmic just broke BIG time for some people
[21:19] <Blues-Man> it miss only sound not playing!
[21:19] <hoellp> i miss my xserver quite much too
[21:19] <dupondje> instructor_: reload alsa
[21:19] <Blues-Man> yes i ll try live of kk good idea
[21:19] <Blues-Man> :)
[21:20] <dupondje> Blues-Man: sound works ? :P
[21:20] <Blues-Man> ahah
[21:20] <Blues-Man> yes
[21:21] <instructor_> ah
[21:21] <dupondje> instructor_: works ?
[21:22] <MartinoT> I need help, after upgrade to xserver, I said: Ubuntu is running in low-graphics mode ...
[21:22] <instructor_> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[21:22] <instructor_> guess not
[21:23] <dupondje> instructor_: what u get when u start pulseaudio --log-level all
[21:24] <instructor_> dupondje: pulseaudio isn't installed
[21:24] <sugar> MartinoT, at least yours runs in low graphics mode. I'm in "no graphics mode" :)
[21:25] <hoellp> sugar, MartinoT: me too, get in line to wait for the new gdm
[21:25] <MartinoT> sugar: "Low graphics mode"= Terminal XD
[21:26] <sugar> MartinoT, aha, I figured "low graphics" = VESA
[21:26] <MartinoT> and now?
[21:26] <dupondje> instructor_: whats output of groups ?
[21:26] <dupondje> :)
[21:26] <MartinoT> wait new pack?
[21:26] <instructor_> adm dialout cdrom audio plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare
[21:27] <dupondje> weird :)
[21:27] <dupondje> why u don't use pulseaudio btw ? :D
[21:27] <MartinoT> sugar: and now, wait new pack?
[21:28] <instructor_> dupondje: pulseaudio isn't installed on kubuntu
[21:28] <sugar> MartinoT, yeah, i'm waiting on new gdm from what i hear.
[21:28] <dupondje> oh didn't know
[21:30] <pace_t_zulu> anyone know what the status on the new gdm is? or where it can be followed?
[21:38] <Sarvatt> if you want  you can edit the gdm.conf by hand
[21:38] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/0001-saving-uncommitted-changes-in-etc-prior-to-apt-run.patch.txt
[21:38] <Sarvatt> thats what i needed to do to get it running
[21:41] <hoellp> i changed gdm.conf as well now and it works
[21:41] <hoellp> so thx everyone and bye for now
[21:58] <pace_t_zulu> Sarvatt: will applying that patch affect the installation of the new gdm package?
[21:59] <Sarvatt> i dont even know if the patch applies, i just ripped it out of etckeeper, would change the 4 lines by hand
[22:00] <DanaG> oh hey, so did you say there's a problem with the Xorg updates?
[22:01] <DanaG> s/you/somebody/
[22:02] <Sarvatt> yeah :D gdm.conf is pointing to the wrong place for X, change the 4 lines here in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf -- http://sarvatt.com/downloads/0001-saving-uncommitted-changes-in-etc-prior-to-apt-run.patch.txt
[22:03] <Sarvatt> the gdm update to fix it is waiting for another xorg update to fix the 10-x11-input.fdi problem since it moved from hal to xorg
[22:04] <DanaG> hmm it's easy enough to just wait a while... how will I know when to go ahead and run the upgrades?
[22:04] <Sarvatt> when you see gdm as an upgrade
[22:05] <DanaG> Okay.  Thanks.
[22:05] <DanaG> Oh yeah, what version of the ATI open-source driver does the xinput2 PPA have?
[22:05] <DanaG> The one with ClockGating and ForceLowPowerMode, at least?
[22:06] <Sarvatt> master branch up until the commit mentioned in the changelog
[22:06] <Sarvatt> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati/log/
[22:07] <Sarvatt> up until the call hdmi-b commit
[22:14] <DanaG> Thanks.
[22:19] <MartinoT> thx Sarvatt, problem solved :D
[22:23] <tormod> if you edit gdm.conf, there will be "complaints" at the next gdm update since you have edited it - say Yes to install the new version.
[22:24] <BUGabundo> hey everyone
[22:24] <billybigrigger> sup BUGabundo
[22:24] <tormod> the "clean" way is to edit gdm.conf-custom with overrides, but the best is just to wait an hour for the new gdm
[22:25] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: billybigrigger [[]]
[22:26] <MartinoT> Then the new gdm incorporate with that modified by me, no?
[22:26] <Sarvatt> just say y to let it override the installed version with the maintainers version
[22:27] <MartinoT> I did not understand, if I update returns as before?
[22:28] <Sarvatt> when you update with apt-get it'll ask what you want to do to handle the situation and you can choose to keep yours or install the maintainers anyway
[22:35] <miik> why my firefox isnt 3.5??
[22:35] <billybigrigger> karmic kept FF 3.0
[22:35] <miik> why?
[22:36] <miik> my friend use windows and he has download firefox 3.5, and then i cant download it, and now he laughs at me
[22:36] <BUGabundo> miik: sudo apt-get install firefox-3.5
[22:36] <miik> oh
[22:36] <miik> is this final version or beta rc?'
[22:36] <BUGabundo> then System->Preferences->prefered applicantions
[22:36] <BUGabundo> let me check
[22:37] <BUGabundo> 3.5~rc2+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[22:37] <BUGabundo> rc2 so far
[22:37] <mahfiaz> does anyone know when launchapad translations will open karmic?
[22:37] <BUGabundo> !info firefox-3.5
[22:37] <miik> well mozilla released rc3
[22:37] <miik> and also final today
[22:37] <BUGabundo> just small Mac changes
[22:37] <BUGabundo> no code changes
[22:37] <BUGabundo> so our rc2 should become final
[22:37] <miik> ok
[22:38] <BUGabundo> ill ask asac to be sure
[22:38] <miik> when final hit repo?
[22:38] <BUGabundo> miik: it should be THAT already
[22:38] <miik> ok
[22:38] <miik> imagine in october karmy come, and it will have firefox 3.0?? then everyone will use 3.5 and be waiting for 3.6 maybe if they dont have that already
[22:39] <miik> and everyone will be like "check out brand new karmic ubuntu!!!"
[22:39] <miik> and ppl will be like "wtf?? it has firefox 3.0?? dude thats old!!1"
[22:40] <miik> the good thing about windows is that you can use latest version of software, if you want
[22:40] <miik> but if you use ubuntu, you're stuck with the old shit for atleast 6 months
[22:40] <miik> then after 6 months, you can get a new ubuntu that ships with new old stuff
[22:41] <billybigrigger> what do you mean your stuck with old versions of software?
[22:41] <mahfiaz> miik, on the brighter side, you don't have to worry about that
[22:42] <mahfiaz> also you can add some experimental repositories
[22:42] <miik> i have firefox 3.0, my friend has 3.5
[22:42] <miik> i have virtual box 2.2, he have 3.0
[22:42] <pace_t_zulu> regarding firefox 3.5 in karmic: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-firefox-3.5
[22:42] <miik> i have blender 2.45, he have 2.46
[22:42] <pace_t_zulu> karmic does not yet have 3.5
[22:42] <miik> im always the guy with the old software
[22:42] <pace_t_zulu> but it will
[22:43] <miik> hes "oh check out this new feature in this new version of the software, isnt this cool? oh wait, you dont have it, cuz you use that ubonto thing"
[22:43] <DanaG> There's a VBox 3.0?
[22:43] <BUGabundo> miik: 3.5 is *old* for me! I'm using 3.6
[22:43] <miik> then i must wait 6 months, until i finally get to try out that new feature, and by then, he already has something new cool
[22:43] <mahfiaz> miik, just go to cvs/svn version or use experimental repositories, and he will be the loser
[22:43] <BUGabundo> miik: I have *all* 3 version in parallel eheh
[22:43] <DanaG> oh, new as of today.
[22:44] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: karmic DOES have 3.5
[22:44] <BUGabundo> !info firefox-3.5 | pace_t_zulu
[22:44] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: the default karmic firefox package is not 3.5
[22:44] <pace_t_zulu> it is still 3.0
[22:45] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: it will be! asac was waiting for final
[22:45] <billybigrigger> default package is 3.0, you can still apt-get FF 3.5 though
[22:45] <pace_t_zulu> !info firefox | BUGabundo
[22:46] <miik> asac?
[22:46] <miik> but ff3.5 final is out, it release today
[22:46] <dupondje> today indeed
[22:46] <pace_t_zulu> miik: asac = Alexander Sack
[22:46] <BUGabundo> miik: asac is the person incharge of the ubuntu mozilla team
[22:46] <dupondje> takes some time to make package
[22:46] <miik> ok
[22:46] <BUGabundo> the poor guy is flooded in work
[22:46] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: you can read the blueprint here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-firefox-3.5
[22:46] <BUGabundo> be calm!!
[22:47] <miik> maybe he can package songbird too?
[22:47] <BUGabundo> you can get it from the archive
[22:48] <pace_t_zulu> milk, you could package songbird ;)
[22:50] <DanaG> hah.
[22:50] <DanaG> http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/2227
[22:50] <DanaG> 125.03 GHz... nice.
[22:51] <BUGabundo> (10:50:47 PM) fta: BUGabundo, I'm on it, xul already pushed to karmic
[22:51] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu:  miik ^^^^^^^^^
[22:52] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: yea, i know they're on it...
[22:52] <miik> pace_t_zulu, i cant package anything, im an idiot
[22:52] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:52] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: i was just pointing out that the "firefox" package in Main is a meta-package for 3.0 still ... i know 3.5 is available... i was just trying to clarify
[22:53] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: fta is working to get that changed!
[22:53] <BUGabundo> this thing take time!
[22:53] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: not complaining... just clarifying
[22:54] <dupondje> pace_t_zulu: there is still no final version in repo's neither
[22:54] <dupondje> prolly will change when the final gets into repo's
[22:54] <BUGabundo> dupondje: the rc2 is the final
[22:55] <dupondje> rc3 is ?
[22:55] <BUGabundo> rc2
[22:55] <pace_t_zulu> dupondje: there is no rc3
[22:56] <pace_t_zulu> rc2 is nearly identical to the final... you wouldn't likely notice any difference
[22:56] <BUGabundo> rc3 was only a face fix for Mac
[22:58] <dupondje> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/3.5rc3/
[22:58] <dupondje> it exists ;)
[22:58] <tormod> http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/160-FAQ-Where-can-I-get-firefox-3.5-for-Ubuntu.html
[22:58] <pace_t_zulu> my bad... never even saw rc3
[23:00] <billybigrigger> anyone notice viewing videos now have bad color's?
[23:00] <BUGabundo> ME ME ME
[23:00] <billybigrigger> like the hue is out? i noticed this last night
[23:00] <BUGabundo> nvidia billybigrigger?
[23:00] <billybigrigger> yeah
[23:00] <BUGabundo> HUE is wrong
[23:00] <BUGabundo> at -1000
[23:00] <billybigrigger> yup
[23:00] <billybigrigger> in everything
[23:00] <BUGabundo> I have to set it on EVERY movie
[23:00] <billybigrigger> yup
[23:00]  * BUGabundo point blame finger to Sarvatt :p
[23:00] <BUGabundo> TheInfinity: [[]]
[23:00]  * billybigrigger points finger at Sarvatt 
[23:00] <billybigrigger> tsk tsk
[23:01] <billybigrigger> which package broke this?
[23:01] <TheInfinity> :o
[23:01] <billybigrigger> was it the xserver-xorg packages i updated yesterday?
[23:01] <mahfiaz> miik, look planetubuntu, looks like sack got the ff 3.5 done
[23:06] <mphill_> does the daily installer support dualboot system with windows yet?
[23:08] <BUGabundo> mphill did it not?
[23:09] <tormod> mahfiaz, my link above? :)
[23:10] <miik> mahfiaz, sweet... so when will update-manager put it in my sys?
[23:11] <mahfiaz> tormod, yes, it is the same, I missed your link
[23:12] <mahfiaz> miik, see tormod's link, it says 'just install firefox-3.5 package', as already noted here before
[23:14] <BUGabundo> (11:11:33 PM) asac_: fta: are you waiting for something to upload ffox?
[23:14] <BUGabundo> (11:14:08 PM) fta: i was, but it's done now
[23:14] <BUGabundo> guys get ready! we are a compile time away to get FF3.5 on the archives
[23:15] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: halelujia!
[23:15] <pace_t_zulu> s/halelujia/hallelujah
[23:15] <BUGabundo> ahah
[23:16] <miik> mahfiaz, if i dont iinstall firefox-3.5 package, will my 3.0 get updated? when?
[23:18] <mphill_> BUGabundo, in the alpha2 two it said it could not dual boot due to grub2, wondering if daily is working.  I am itching to install
[23:19] <mphill_> miik, prolly with the release of 9.10 and no sooner
[23:19] <mphill_> they typically freeze, and they mean it
[23:19] <afv> ff 3.5 is out at fta's ppa :))
[23:20] <Twigathy> hmm, something broke my copy of karmic!
[23:20] <BUGabundo> mphill try it! you have nothing to loose!
[23:20] <BUGabundo> afv: 3.5 is out in the archive!
[23:21] <Twigathy> On boot, it fails to bring up the network interface... which it shouldn't be doing anyway, I have 'ip=dhcp' as one of the kernel boot parameters
[23:21] <afv> just updated
[23:21] <afv> through synaptic
[23:22] <BUGabundo>  fta: #firefox 3.5 sent to !ubuntu #karmic, along with xulrunner 1.9.1. Now waiting in line to be built..
[23:23] <DanaG> hmm, is the fixed gdm here yet?
[23:23] <afv> BUGabundo, hmm..
[23:23] <DanaG> anyway, I'm waiting on some thingy to download... so I have over an hour to wait, anyway.
[23:25] <Twigathy> okay, more specifically it dies at 'starting NFS common utilities'
[23:26] <instructor_> !info rekonq
[23:26] <instructor_> o/
[23:27] <instructor_> !info qwit
[23:28] <afv> !info firefox-3.5
[23:32] <Twigathy> okay, I've tracked down the fail to...:             start-stop-daemon --start --oknodo --quiet \                --exec $PREFIX/sbin/rpc.statd -- $STATDOPTS
[23:32] <Twigathy> But I don't know why that is failing >_>
[23:32] <Twigathy> (in the init script for the nfs-common stuffs)
[23:37] <Twigathy> oh, nice. interface lo isn't up. How the heck did that happen.
[23:40] <instructor_> huh apparently I have no audio hardware :-(
[23:41] <pace_t_zulu> Sarvatt: i have a fix for that gdm issue... it doesn't require a patch... rather uses 'sed'
[23:42] <Sarvatt> the patch was just an example to show what needed to be changes..
[23:42] <Sarvatt> changed rather
[23:42] <Sarvatt> i pulled it out of my etckeeper logs
[23:47] <maxb> The fixed gdm packages will be built in a couple of hours now anyway
[23:47] <DanaG> Didn't somebody already say that a couple of hours ago? =þ
[23:48] <maxb> Ah, but now they're *actually* starting to be built
[23:57] <instructor_> DanaG: The infrastructure for compiling packages is a litte on the desiorous side I think