[00:26] Hey im on karmic and the sound is broken. [00:26] Shane_Fagan: define broken? [00:26] No sound at all [00:26] cause its working for me and a lot others [00:26] please install pavucontrol [00:27] and check if sound is at max [00:27] some hw has many bugs, and it sets volume to 50% = mute [00:27] if that doesn't work file a bug so dtchen can look at it [00:27] It says null output [00:27] Shane_Fagan: $ ubuntu-bug alsa-base [00:28] ahh null is no good heheh [00:28] I dont think its a bug [00:28] You see I installed 2 programs that may have removed something important [00:29] hello [00:29] Shane_Fagan: ahhh [00:29] Then I rebooted and the sound was gone. It plays the login sound but after login nothing [00:29] hey Ian_Corne [00:29] sbcl-doc segfauilting dpkg for anyone else? [00:33] BUGabundo: So any ideas what I should do to get back sound? [00:34] Shane_Fagan: file a bug so dtchen can look at it [00:34] Shane_Fagan: $ ubuntu-bug alsa-base [00:34] only then you will collect enough to be looked at [00:34] Ian_Corne: not here [00:35] hmm [00:35] 30-10? [00:39] weird [00:39] nope still broken [00:39] clean install btw [00:39] BUGabundo: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/393665 [00:39] Ubuntu bug 393665 in alsa-driver "No Sound [karmic]" [Undecided,New] [00:40] Shane_Fagan: thanks [00:41] http://pastebin.com/m5acfbec3 [00:42] uuuhhhhh nice bt [00:42] /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe5)[0x2697a5] [00:42] ahaha [00:42] what CPU do you have? [00:42] doesn't seem to support cmov [00:42] atom [00:43] strange, very very strange [00:43] a friend tried it on his desktop [00:43] Ian_Corne: please open a bug on linux and add that trace enfatizing that line [00:43] Ian_Corne: $ ubuntu-bug linux [00:43] "open a bug on linux"? :p [00:44] apw: ping. can you look this trace from Ian_Corne? seems to have a prob with cmov on an atom [00:44] Ian_Corne: "linux" is the package for Kernel ! [00:44] it's not only on an atom [00:44] ah :p [00:45] i will do that [00:45] ok [00:45] BUGabundo: You must be fairly busy round here [00:46] heh [00:46] Shane_Fagan: why do you say that ? [00:46] slacker more like it :P [00:46] unf not as much as I would like [00:46] I am off line most of the day [00:46] Ah [00:46] during JJ cycle I was here like 18/day [00:47] wow [00:47] billybigrigger: you are right! not keeping with my 5 new bugs a day quote [00:47] hehe [00:47] its more like 2 per week now :(( [00:47] ahh i was just kidding [00:47] so ashamed of my self [00:47] I know I know [00:47] BUGabundo::: have you seen the 185.xx nvidia drivers come through updates yet? [00:48] or are you an intel/ati guy? [00:48] should i report it to edge.launchpad? [00:48] billybigrigger: think so [00:48] fully updated, with a few pacakges left behind [00:48] nvidia here [00:48] Ian_Corne: you should run the comand I gave you [00:49] it will take care of almost all... all you neeed then is to pour a cup of coffee [00:49] aha [00:49] LP still doesn't do that, but the guys are working on that bug [00:49] that was a command :p [00:49] Ian_Corne: $ ubuntu-bug linux [00:49] im on 185.* atm [00:49] * BUGabundo checks nvidia driver [00:50] Its a hell of a lot better [00:50] $ apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-180 Installed: 185.18.14-0ubuntu1 [00:50] billybigrigger: don't you love this fake names ?!?! eheh [00:51] Ha they really need to change that name [00:51] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/393669 [00:51] Ubuntu bug 393669 in linux "dpkg sefgaults when installing/upgrading sbcl-doc" [Undecided,New] [00:57] Hmm some other dude has the same problem as me [00:59] Shane_Fagan: that's good [01:00] Yep I told him to make a duplicate bug report to provide his info to help with solving the problem [01:08] humm pidgin 2.5.8 out! woot [01:08] But its not default in ubuntu anymore [01:09] so what [01:09] I still use it [01:09] and will until something better comes along [01:10] or their ...... /me better shutup, for CoC :) [01:10] Empathy isnt too bad [01:11] There are some nice adium themes. [01:11] *which work in empathy. [01:12] The UI on empathy is awesome [01:12] compared to pidgin [01:16] I don't think so [01:16] but its one of those things [01:16] either you like or you don't [01:16] does empathy do IRC well ... or at all? [01:17] iconicity: yes [01:18] that's great ... I hate the way Pidgin hadnles IRC [01:18] err [01:18] iconicity: it's the *same+ [01:18] AFAIK it uses Libpurple to do it! lol [01:18] ha! oh, great! [01:19] Im using empathy now [01:19] well, hopefully it's the the UI that bothers me, then [01:19] and if that's better in empathy, I'll be happy [01:22] iconicity: It is a lot better, but it isnt that good with the notifications and its really buggy at the moment [01:23] I'm sure the bugs will be ironed out by release time ... Why was Pidgin bumped as the default client? [01:23] Because it doesnt have support for video and voice calls [01:23] ah [01:23] gotcha [01:23] plus ekiga was bumped too [01:24] how come? [01:24] becuase one app can do both? [01:25] Because empathy has ekiga built in [01:25] A number of reasons. Empathy has voice+video, SIP (so can replace ekiga to some extent). Empathy is getting cool new features (geolocation, once the needed libraries hit main). Empathy is better integrated into the GNOME infrastructure. Pidgin upstream is apparently not the niceset to work with. And because Empathy is becoming the official GNOME IM client. [01:26] RAOF: thanks! Looking forward to giving it a try [01:27] You need to install all the telephony plugins to make all the functionality work [01:27] RAOF: cough cough (niceset to work with) [01:28] :) [01:28] Eh. Spelling is for the week! :P [01:28] :) [01:29] RAOF: empathy is already the default gnome client [01:29] But that's new in 2.28, isn't it? Or was it 2.26? [01:30] Anyway, that's one of the reasons that it came to prominence. [01:30] 2.26 [01:30] 2.26 [01:30] 2.28 its the default [01:32] speaking of defaults ... should I be worried about ext4? [01:32] Well maybe this early in the release [01:33] Id say alpha 4 it should be perfect [01:33] almost [01:33] Its a lot faster a boot time [01:33] -- and that blows my mind, since jaunty already boots so quickly in ext3 [01:34] they are aiming at 10 secs boot [01:35] awesome. [01:35] yep [01:35] and some users are already hitting it [01:36] wow [01:36] that's goign to be great [01:38] have they released the new theme yet? [01:38] I've tried to install the daily build yesterday, and the installer never wanted to start [01:38] No new theme yet :( [01:39] I really want to get rid of the brown [01:39] Ah! But I love the brown and orange! I must be one of the lonely few ... [01:40] Well sabdl loves it too [01:40] * BUGabundo $ sleep in 3,2,1, errrr. No Device Found [01:43] I'm sure some combination of brown and orange will make its way into karmic ... these are ubuntu's token colors, after all === WelshDragon is now known as YDdraigGoch [01:44] well no matter what when Gnome 3.0 hits brown will be gone too [01:44] dang [01:44] oh well [01:44] Gnome-Shell rocks the red hat guys are doing an awesome job [01:44] I'll get used to it [01:45] They are planning to have a preview of gnome 3.0 in karmic [01:47] what do you mean by "preview" [01:47] Well they are adding it to the repo [01:49] ah, gotcha [01:49] that's kinda cool [01:49] alright, gotta run. thanks for the cool info, Shane [01:49] iconicity: You can build it and test it now [02:13] Hi, I'm on karmic and with recent update sound stopped working. Is this a known problem or can I help to eliminate this bug? [02:18] roland: I understand that it's a known bug; some form of {console,policy}kit snafu. [02:20] ok .thx. I hope this will be fixed with next updates [02:28] Will we see fingerprint support in KDE/karmic ? [02:28] fedora already has that [02:39] hey, just a general question [02:39] I really like ubuntu & really wanna help with it's development [02:39] but I'm not exactly a programmer & not a good scripter either [02:40] !contribute | atari2600a [02:40] atari2600a: To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate [02:40] would being an alpha/beta tester be a burden or actual help? [02:40] yeah, I've seen /community/participate [02:41] I was just wondering if you want the not-programmers filing bug reports :P [02:42] anyone can file bug reports [02:43] of course, but do you think I would be actually helping instead of just being annoying? [02:44] yes of course [02:44] if the former, I can clear 10gb off my HDD & edit GRUB [02:45] oh yeah I'll have to insall GRUB2 manually, repartitioned by old grub2 /boot... [02:45] well, thanks [02:45] hey guys... I have been wanting to suggest this for about a year and keep forgettings:) on gnome-look.org there is a cursor theme named "Ubuntu Crystal Cursors" very nice and very appropriate for ubuntu/gnome [02:45] just though i would throw that out there [02:48] oh also is anyone here opped on #ubuntu? [02:48] months & months back I guess I lashed out there & got +b'd, I feel like an ass because of it [02:48] I have since been put on anti-depressants [02:49] atari2600a: try at #ubuntu-irc [02:49] thanks [03:11] ooh, new xscreensaver hacks [03:17] Holy crap! [03:17] Has anyone noticed devicekit-daemon leaking RAM like wild? [03:19] Oh, *just* got reported. [03:19] Literally just now. [03:19] Looks like gnome-power-manager and devkit-power is to blame. [03:28] Is there a workaround for the karmic grub loader? [03:55] SeveredCross::: how so [03:55] SeveredCross::: i don't see any ram problems in top [03:55] or am i not looking in the right place [04:05] billybigrigger: top was showing 1 GB+ for devicekit-daemon [04:05] There's a bug about it..LP 392918. [04:05] Launchpad bug 392918 in devicekit "large memory leak in devkit-daemon?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/392918 [04:06] hmmm [04:06] what arch? [04:06] Linux cabo 2.6.30-10-generic #12-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jun 22 16:30:32 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux [04:06] all good here [04:19] x86, 2.6.30-10-generic. [04:22] hmm [04:35] anyone testing the 2.6.31 kernel yet? [05:03] has there/is there going to be any graphical changes in the default gnome desktop? (I'm using an altered theme and can't tell) [05:13] anyone here running the 2.6.31 kernel? [05:13] i need some help, compositing and vbox kernel modules are throwing errors at me [05:14] is there anyway i can rebuild this kernel? im not usually one to test rc kernels so i really don't know where to go from here [05:15] billybigrigger: Any particular reason you don't simply use 2.6.30-10-generic? Or wait until 2.6.31-1-generic has passed NEW? [05:16] other than i just wanted to test it, no [05:18] i think i installed the wrong deb. [05:18] i think i should have installed the kernel headers [05:18] Are you testing the packages from the NEW queue, or the vanilla kernel PPA thingy? [05:18] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.31-rc1/ [05:18] where's the new queue? [05:18] You _certainly_ need the kernel headers if you're going to try to build any modules for the kernel. [05:19] :P yup figured that now [05:21] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600 [05:21] Ubuntu bug 314600 in fglrx-installer "[HD 3650] fglrx versions newer than 8.543 cause system hang and panic" [Undecided,Incomplete] [05:21] yargh, "marked for expiration" [05:21] what's incomplete about it? [05:24] That seems fairly obvious; bryce would like some testing of the new driver in the xorg-edgers PPA. [05:24] The last comment. Where he set the status back to incomplete... [05:25] Um, WTF. [05:25] Is sound broken for anyone with the latest round of updates? [05:25] Yes. [05:26] -_-' [05:26] I only get PA's null sink. [05:26] sound working here [05:26] what kind of audio hardware do you have? [05:26] Well, cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp works, so it's just PA. [05:26] billybigrigger: Probably because you haven't updated to the broken {console,policy}kit version :) [05:26] billybigrigger: HDA Intel. [05:27] is it just on hda intel? [05:27] fully updated, and sound working here [05:28] have pantera screaming as we speak :) [05:28] 00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP67 High Definition Audio (rev a1) [05:29] Might just be intel. [05:30] Great. [05:30] Or might require you to restart after updating. [05:30] Aha. [05:31] Seems like somewhere along the way, regular users lost the ability to access ALSA. [05:31] i have [05:31] Since a root alsamixer works fine, non-root reports errors. [05:31] restarted that is, remember the rc kernel problem :P [05:32] Root pulseaudio server works fine (requires root totem, but it works), non-root only has root sink. [05:32] Uh-huh. [05:33] PA reports errors. [05:33] RAOF_::: so looking at the kernel ppa for the rc .31, i see headers, and source, and image, i don't need to install all the debs do it? [05:33] and have i screwed myself over trying to install all of these? or in what order should i be doing this? [05:34] billybigrigger: You'd need image & headers. But really, I wouldn't bother. There'll be an official 2.6.31-1-generic package coming out of the NEW queue in the not too distant future, and you can actually file bugs against that! [05:40] according to the queue it was released [05:40] unless im reading that wrong [05:40] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+queue [05:40] view files [05:41] [Build] linux (amd64) [05:41] 2.6.31-1.13 Release 2009-06-26 13:55:47 MDT 2009-06-26 [05:43] billybigrigger: If you expand that, you'll see that all the packages are marked as "NEW". They're sitting in that queue until they're reviewed. [05:48] right o [06:10] ... and i'm back! === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG === Ronald_ is now known as Ronald [06:27] It's safe to do a dist-upgrade to upgrade udev, right? I read the changelog and it looks like upstream removed a package or something? [06:40] ugh, notify-osd still fails badly if you try to change volume too many times, too quickly. [06:41] * SeveredCross still has no sound without root. [06:42] ugh, either my motherboard is screwed up... or my power supply is. Or somebody just wired the sensor chip badly. [06:42] -12V: -11.95 V (min = -1.18 V, max = -14.25 V) ALARM [06:42] -5V: +3.54 V (min = -3.04 V, max = -6.10 V) ALARM [06:42] -1 < -14? [06:42] h p://pas ebin.com/f3 008 b4 [06:42] argh. damn /exec plugin. [07:29] RAOF: I found a fix for the sound bug. [07:29] RAOF: Add yourself to the audio group, things should magically begin to work. [07:29] Oh? [07:29] Right. [07:30] /dev/dsp and all the files under /dev/snd are mode 660, owner root, group audio. [07:30] But I'm not in the audio group for some reason. [07:30] Probably a vagary of pulseaudio per-user sessions. [07:34] No; it'll be because ConsoleKit _should_ give the active user access to the sound card. [07:34] Hmm. [07:34] Touche. [07:36] Temporary fix seems to be to add yourself to the audio group, until ConsoleKit gets fixed. [07:36] Fixes alsamixer, PulseAudio, etc. [07:37] Right. [07:38] I wonder who/what broke ConsoleKit. [07:39] removal of udev-extras is right, right? :) [07:39] RAOF: ConsoleKit hasn't been touched in a while. [07:39] Last changelog is in April. [07:39] Ng: Aye. [07:39] SeveredCross: Might be policykit :) [07:40] I'm not seeing any PolicyKit changes relating to audio recently either. [07:42] You haven't by any chance installed polkit-1 and polkit-gnome-1 recently? :) [07:42] Sorry; policykit-1 [07:43] rI did. [07:43] I think anyway, it's installed. [07:43] Right. This may well be the source of breakage. Just because the changelog doesn't mention "break audio for the active console", doesn't mean it didn't :) [07:43] True--looks like there were some user permissions changes. [07:44] On a related note, anyone else find it interesting how more and more projects are standardizing on D-Bus rather than KCop (or whatever KDE's competing system is). [07:45] No one cares about KDE, that's why :). Also, got freedesktop'd, and such. [07:45] Ah, KDE4 adopted DBus instead of DCOP. [07:46] Not to mention that DBus is more portable, I don't think DCOP worked on OS X or Win32. [07:46] Anyway, bedtime. [07:58] my videos went all blue [07:58] wtf [09:18] Does anybody know if it's okay to do the partial upgrade with udev? I think the reason it wants to do a partial upgrade is because they removed udev-extras from it's depends (i think) [09:20] ripps: should be [10:15] guud day [10:19] BUGabundo: güd day [10:20] RAOF: hey so you package DO 0.8.2 ? [10:20] great job [10:20] I was really missing it yesterday [10:20] Heh. [10:21] Sarvatt: cwillu: my nvidia keeps reseting HUE to -1000 :(( [10:21] RAOF: why do I loose all my Do settings on each upgrade ? [10:21] BUGabundo: From now on, you shouldn't. [10:21] what changed? [10:22] The way we use mono.addins. It will also mean that upgrading plugins works. [10:23] yay [10:24] RAOF: [Error 10:23:44.971] [PluginManager] ObjectsForAddin encountered an error: TargetInvocationException "Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation." [10:25] BUGabundo: Want to pastebin the full output? [10:25] olá BUGabundo [10:26] that's all I have on cli, where I started Do, since it was failing to start [10:26] oh wait [10:26] got more now [10:26] pastebining [10:27] RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/206836/ [10:27] ola joaopinto! dia 7 ja ta mais perto ;) [10:27] :) [10:28] Owch. Can you run that with "gnome-do --debug"? [10:29] whoa [10:30] sure [10:31] RAOF: should I file a but for the pastebin plugin to include paste.ubuntu.com ?? [10:31] its my main one! [10:31] RAOF: its not closing :)) [10:32] RAOF: will it leak api keys or passwords? [10:33] BUGabundo: It shouldn't. [10:33] RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/206839/ [10:34] That looks like it should now be working, right? [10:34] There's at least one problem there that I can trivially solve :) [10:35] I've got more errors [10:35] pastebining now [10:36] that is IF FF doesn't crashs [10:36] lol [10:36] :) [10:36] yesterday mp3 player not detected, today detected and mounted but continually disconnected and remounted [10:36] robin0800: yeah the dbus bug still not fixed [10:37] RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/206844/ [10:37] BUGabundo: Many thanks [10:37] robin0800: np [10:38] RAOF: should I file a but for the pastebin plugin to include paste.ubuntu.com ?? [10:42] There will be a brief haitus while -intel kills X. [10:43] BUGabundo: You were talking about other errors? [10:43] I already pasted it [10:43] did you miss it RAOF ? [10:43] hey Hew [10:44] I certainly did. It's no longer in backscroll, care of X dying in a fire. [10:44] hi BUGabundo [10:44] ahah [10:45] RAOF: I'll repaste all on PVT ok? [10:45] OK. [10:52] RAOF: got it ? [10:55] yes [10:55] thanks [10:56] RAOF: so about paste? [11:02] What about paste? You mean - shall there be paste.ubuntu.com? [11:04] RAOF: yes [11:05] Sounds like a reasonable request. If you'd like to file a bug, that'll put it on my todo list. [11:09] sure [11:09] give me 5 secs [11:09] The problem cannot be reported:This is not a genuine Ubuntu package [11:09] err I'll need a few extra :( [11:14] RAOF: https://bugs.launchpad.net/do-plugins/+bug/393802 [11:14] Ubuntu bug 393802 in do-plugins "support for ubuntu pastebin" [Undecided,New] [11:14] good enough? [11:16] Looks good. [11:23] does anybody else have missing icons in KDE4 apps? === mvo is now known as mv === mv is now known as mvo === le_bilou1e is now known as le_biloute [13:19] anyone know why power management is broken in karmic? [13:26] hello, has anyone here tried the "new" gpointing-device-settings for configuring touchpads? [13:26] it works mostly normal, but it forgets the settings regarding circular scrolling between reboots [13:27] does anyone know where the settings are supposed to be saved? [13:45] Howdy [13:45] hoi [14:15] hello, has anyone here tried the "new" gpointing-device-settings for configuring touchpads? [14:35] Does the Koala have a known bug that blows away menu.lst on reboot? [14:35] no? [14:35] Damn it [14:35] I have to say no too [14:35] Did you delete it yourself [14:35] ? [14:35] Whats going on then [14:36] Do you do something to it? [14:36] shane_fagan: no I saw it do it. I rebooted and pressed e to show someone the syntax for a linux image [14:36] I pressed enter and b and it said that it couldn't comply with --no-floppy [14:37] I shrugged and choose another entry on the list and that also got wiped [14:37] hmmm the floppy problem is known but it shouldnt be that much of a probelm [14:37] problem [14:37] choose a recovery session and that gets wiped [14:37] the only entry in the menu when you look at it is root (hd0,1) [14:37]