| sasa | According to here: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/arm-linux ubuntu is available for arm and... | 10:14 |
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| sasa | according to here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904 there are issues on arm platforms but... | 10:15 |
| sasa | according to here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download ubuntu is only available for x86... | 10:16 |
| sasa | Anyone know the score? | 10:16 |
| dpb | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM | 10:18 |
| ogra | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/jaunty/release/ has images for imx51 boards | 10:25 |
| sasa | Ok - I think I see, It all looks like work-in-progress so I might be better off sticking with Angstrom... | 10:27 |
| ogra | for a beagle ? | 10:27 |
| ogra | http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu would be the place to go for that ... but i wouldnt suggest to use ubuntu on the 128M version (for that rather take xubuntu) | 10:28 |
| sasa | Yes, should have said for beagle, sorry. | 10:28 |
| ogra | note that ubuntu doesnt have any support for OMAP CPUs | 10:28 |
| ogra | and wont in the near future | 10:29 |
| ogra | (kernel wise i mean, userspace should run fine on OMAP) | 10:29 |
| sasa | And the versatile kernel doesn't run on it? | 10:30 |
| ogra | no | 10:30 |
| ogra | versatile runs on versatile boards or qemu | 10:30 |
| sasa | Ah, got it. How much of the userland distro is currently available? | 10:31 |
| ogra | the elinux wiki i gave you the link for above has a link to kernel packages | 10:31 |
| ogra | nearly all of main, most of universe | 10:31 |
| janrinze | morning. | 10:37 |
| janrinze | is there a fast way to try ubuntu on a beagleboard without having to do the RootfsFromScratch? | 10:39 |
| ogra | no | 10:40 |
| sasa | I don't want to sound dim but what is rootfsfromscratch? | 10:41 |
| ogra | see /topic :) | 10:41 |
| janrinze | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch | 10:41 |
| ogra | and http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu | 10:41 |
| janrinze | are there any people who already did build a rootfs and made them available? | 10:42 |
| sasa | I have looked at them but I am still none-the-wiser! | 10:42 |
| janrinze | the rootfs from scratch requires that it is performed on a PC running the latest Ubuntu, right? | 10:45 |
| lool | janrinze: A recent Ubuntu, yes | 10:45 |
| lool | janrinze: There are some rootfses available; I think ogra published some in the past | 10:45 |
| ogra | jaunty or newer | 10:46 |
| ogra | they are totally outdated | 10:46 |
| janrinze | i run Debian 5.0 so setting up Ubuntu 9.04 is a bit too much for me a.t.m. | 10:46 |
| ogra | if you have the right debootstrap and qemu versions you should be able to build it on lenny | 10:47 |
| ogra | though YYMV | 10:47 |
| ogra | *YMMV | 10:47 |
| sasa | Ok - I am suse based and just wanted an easy devel environment on my beagle so I think this is not for me right now - thanks! | 10:47 |
| sasa | any other suggestions though? | 10:47 |
| ogra | the second stage of debootstrap runs completely inside qemu | 10:47 |
| ogra | so thats already fully under ubuntu | 10:47 |
| janrinze | ok.. maybe i should do it in VMware.. Is QEmu required? I would like to prefer to run it on the beagleboard.. | 10:47 |
| ogra | if you get through the first stage and it still runs, that should work | 10:47 |
| ogra | qemu is required by the image build process | 10:48 |
| ogra | the script is actually a wrapper around qemu | 10:48 |
| janrinze | I have used debootstrap before but that was on a different ARM platform | 10:48 |
| ogra | you dont use debootstrap ;) the script does | 10:48 |
| janrinze | i saw that. | 10:49 |
| ogra | just get the version linked from the wiki, install it on lenny and run the script | 10:49 |
| ogra | if the script finishes you are golden :) | 10:49 |
| janrinze | will try that. I hope it won't mess with the repositories ;-) | 10:49 |
| ogra | it wont | 10:50 |
| ogra | just dpkg -i the debootstrap ... | 10:51 |
| janrinze | ok.. i willreinstall the Debian debootstrap when i am done with the Ubuntu rootfs. | 10:53 |
| ogra | debootstrap is backwards compatible, no need to | 10:54 |
| ogra | ubuntu uses the one from sid and adds the ubuntu specific scripts ... it doesnt touch the debian scripts at all | 10:54 |
| ogra | so it should be safe to just keep that one | 10:54 |
| lool | I have a jaunty rootfs which you can try out; it probably assumes too much, but it's at least based on jaunty | 10:55 |
| janrinze | ok. good to hear ;-) | 10:55 |
| lool | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/qemu-buildd/mmcblk0.img | 10:55 |
| lool | See the directory for various qemu setup stuff | 10:55 |
| janrinze | lool: interesting qemu patches in there too :-) | 10:57 |
| lool | Eh | 11:01 |
| ogra | heh | 11:01 |
| janrinze | lool: is the image compressed? it is downloading at 330KB/sec so it takes a while. | 11:06 |
| lool | janrinze: I don't think it is | 11:07 |
| lool | janrinze: I'm happy to compress it if you like | 11:07 |
| janrinze | no prob. it will take just a bit longer.. | 11:07 |
| janrinze | i am in no hurry ;-) | 11:08 |
| lool | I'm creating a compressed one aside of it | 11:08 |
| lool | janrinze: How far are you in your dl? | 11:12 |
| lool | 513M mmcblk0.img | 11:12 |
| lool | 117M mmcblk0.img.bz2 | 11:12 |
| janrinze | lool: it is done.. | 11:13 |
| lool | Ok, removing the .img | 11:13 |
| janrinze | will save you bandwidth :-) | 11:13 |
| lool | That's not too much of a concern :) | 11:14 |
| lool | Hmm how can I disassemble a non-ELF file like a bootloader with a cross toolchain? | 11:17 |
| lool | I checked objdump, but it seems to only be supporting ELF, and as/gas doesn't seem to to support disassembly | 11:18 |
| janrinze | lool: i have several tools but not available on Ubuntu.. what kind of file is it? | 11:19 |
| janrinze | If IDApro is available you may get lucky.. | 11:19 |
| lool | It's an ARM binary | 11:20 |
| lool | I guess v7 since the board is v7 | 11:20 |
| janrinze | IDApro can handle ARM binaries.. not sure if it supports ARMv7 already. | 11:20 |
| lool | I tried the Uboot binary I had around on B2 and it didn't work | 11:21 |
| lool | I wrote it at RedBoot's offset, but I'm not 100% sure this is correct | 11:22 |
| janrinze | lool: on what platform were you trying the uBoot? | 11:22 |
| lool | Babbage 2 | 11:22 |
| lool | It's Freescale iMX51 based | 11:22 |
| lool | (TO2) | 11:22 |
| janrinze | sounds nice.. I don't know that board.. | 11:22 |
| janrinze | so i am afraid i am of no help there. | 11:23 |
| janrinze | # dd if=./mmcblk0.img of=/dev/sdc | 11:23 |
| janrinze | dd: writing to `/dev/sdc': No space left on device | 11:23 |
| janrinze | cute.. 512MB flashdisk is too small :-( | 11:24 |
| lool | Hmm I created a 512 MB file; probably the bard is slightly too small, sorry | 11:25 |
| lool | You can resize it, it's just an ext3 fs | 11:26 |
| janrinze | no prob. | 11:26 |
| lool | or ext4 actually | 11:26 |
| janrinze | ext4 actually. | 11:26 |
| janrinze | apparently Debian 5.0 has no ext4 support yet .. | 11:26 |
| ogra | lool, the uBoot we have is *not* for the B2 | 11:26 |
| ogra | unless you wrote a new one :) | 11:27 |
| lool | ogra: It's for B1? | 11:27 |
| ogra | three stack | 11:27 |
| lool | I found it along B2 stuff | 11:27 |
| ogra | yeah | 11:27 |
| lool | Ok; well it's useless to us then | 11:27 |
| ogra | taoiten thought it was | 11:27 |
| ogra | *taiten | 11:27 |
| ogra | but he clearified it for me, i tried the same you did :) | 11:27 |
| ogra | not sure how one can delete stuff there to get it out of the file list | 11:28 |
| lool | I didn't see any newer drop than may; I'm grabbing a BSP from 12th of Jun, I don't think it has redboot or uboot but I'll check | 11:28 |
| janrinze | lool: could you put the rootfs as a tar.bz2 file instead of an image? (hope it is not too much to ask) | 11:29 |
| lool | ogra: Hmm we have a 20 GB limit | 11:29 |
| ogra | dd'in a qemu image to an SD wont get you far :) | 11:29 |
| lool | ogra: The site is cute, but I hate it | 11:29 |
| ogra | yep | 11:29 |
| lool | janrinze: It's less easy to use for me; I could I guess, but it's going to take extra steps to use it | 11:30 |
| janrinze | ogra: mount -o loop won't work on Debian 5.0 since it is ext4.. :-( | 11:30 |
| lool | While for use with qemu, a fs image is enough | 11:30 |
| lool | janrinze: You can launch it in qemu | 11:30 |
| ogra | heh | 11:30 |
| lool | janrinze: You could create a new disk from the first one from an interactive session | 11:31 |
| ogra | and copy the contents in qemu | 11:31 |
| * ogra bets running build-arm-rootfs might be less hassle | 11:31 | |
| lool | janrinze: The easiest is probably to create your own image; using the rootfs creation script should be possible from debian, it needs Ubuntu's debootstrap, and qemu installed | 11:31 |
| janrinze | ok.. nevermind.. I will mount it in VMware. | 11:31 |
| ogra | you can just fire up the script and have lunch :) after lunch you will have your image | 11:32 |
| janrinze | ogra: that is the alternative. :-) | 11:32 |
| lool | ogra: I don't think files can be removed; I checked the Files tab and that didn't help | 11:33 |
| lool | perhaps admins can | 11:33 |
| ogra | likely | 11:33 |
| ogra | or project leads | 11:33 |
| ogra | we can ask anmar later | 11:33 |
| lool | I checked the uboot source and it adds support for some boards, notably mx31, mx35, mx25 and mx51 3stack | 11:42 |
| lool | No mx51 babbage though | 11:42 |
| lool | I should poke martyn | 11:43 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 11:52 |
| lool | Okay, B2 pre-built kernel works fine: it's 2.6.28 and has DVI support; it seems to support MMC | 11:53 |
| lool | Now I should look into building a cleaner image | 11:53 |
| ogra_ | yes, thats what i'm using with a karmic fs here | 11:53 |
| lool | We don't have any Ubuntu kernels yet do we? | 11:53 |
| ogra_ | nope | 11:53 |
| lool | ogra: What are you running on your B1? | 11:53 |
| ogra_ | B1 in the works but not booting yet | 11:53 |
| ogra_ | nothing, i'm just building a rootfs upstairs for debugging, mz B1 itself is sitting in the box until thats there | 11:54 |
| ogra_ | *my | 11:54 |
| * ogra_ doesnt want to waste deskspace if he doesnt need to | 11:55 | |
| ogra_ | and B2 is more stable | 11:55 |
| lool | bjf_afk: Around? I don't want to use too much of your time since you're on the critical path to get us 2.6.30/31 kernels for B2, but do you think it would be a small or a large amount of effort to add the B2 patches on top of jaunty's kernel tree (both 2.6.28) so that we have Ubuntu-ish imx51 B2 .debs? | 11:55 |
| lool | ogra: You could use B1 for jaunty or we could ship it to someone without ARM hardware | 11:56 |
| ogra_ | lool, i fear thats a huge effort | 11:56 |
| lool | Why so? | 11:56 |
| ogra_ | because he will need to extract the B2 bits separately i guess | 11:56 |
| ogra_ | we only have that 30MB tarball | 11:56 |
| lool | I don't care if it adds support for other SoCs | 11:57 |
| ogra_ | lool, i will use the B1 with jaunty (thats what i'm builkding atm) | 11:57 |
| ogra_ | i just *didnt* use it up to today since i have the B2 working | 11:57 |
| ogra_ | but for the gnome-applets bug i need a jaunty setup with B1 | 11:57 |
| ogra_ | to reproduce what FSL doe | 11:58 |
| ogra_ | ss | 11:58 |
| * ogra_ notes he needs more SD cards | 12:00 | |
| lool | ogra_: Do you know which FS the FSL binary 2.6.28 B2 kernel supports? | 12:07 |
| ogra_ | ext2 | 12:08 |
| lool | No ext3? | 12:08 |
| * ogra_ sshs and checks | 12:08 | |
| ogra_ | i dont think ext3 | 12:08 |
| lool | Pff | 12:08 |
| lool | This is really lame | 12:08 |
| lool | ogra_: Could you grep the config for all supported FSes? I don't mind using a weird one, but I don't want a fragile one | 12:08 |
| lool | Perhaps it support ubifs or xfs | 12:09 |
| ogra_ | CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y | 12:09 |
| ogra_ | # CONFIG_EXT2_FS_XATTR is not set | 12:09 |
| ogra_ | # CONFIG_EXT2_FS_XIP is not set | 12:09 |
| ogra_ | CONFIG_EXT3_FS=y | 12:09 |
| ogra_ | CONFIG_EXT3_FS_XATTR=y | 12:09 |
| ogra_ | # CONFIG_EXT3_FS_POSIX_ACL is not set | 12:09 |
| ogra_ | no ubifs | 12:10 |
| lool | Cool | 12:10 |
| lool | ext3 is fine | 12:10 |
| ogra_ | 2.6.28-191-ga2f78a4 | 12:10 |
| lool | Sounds like the one I'm using | 12:10 |
| ogra_ | good | 12:11 |
| lool | 2.6.28-191-ga2f78a4 yup | 12:11 |
| * lool debootstraps | 12:11 | |
| ogra_ | natively from scratch ? | 12:11 |
| lool | No, from host | 12:11 |
| ogra_ | ah | 12:11 |
| lool | Grumpf, doesn't see the SATA disk over USN | 12:19 |
| lool | *USB | 12:19 |
| lool | despite the 10 secs rootdelay | 12:19 |
| ogra_ | give it 20 ? | 12:19 |
| * ogra_ remembers he had to use 15 at least on the B1 in the beginning | 12:20 | |
| lool | Yeah I'm trying 30 | 12:20 |
| lool | Pff it needed 21 :) | 12:21 |
| ogra_ | heh | 12:21 |
| lool | It's really long | 12:21 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 12:21 |
| ogra_ | its crap without initramfs | 12:21 |
| lool | The marvell sata start is blazingly fast | 12:21 |
| lool | I shoudl try with an USB key, that's probably quickef | 12:21 |
| ogra_ | i suspect its faster if you have the initramfs running in parallel | 12:21 |
| lool | quicker | 12:21 |
| lool | But I really want my rootfs on a real disk now that this work so I'll have to wait for this anyway :-/ | 12:22 |
| ogra_ | though we should think about compiling in the USB host drivers on imx51 | 12:22 |
| lool | Perhaps real SATA would be faster | 12:22 |
| ogra_ | well, grab a soldering iron :P | 12:23 |
| lool | This USB SATA adpater is really cool; it allows me to quickly move drives around and plug/unplug easily to various boards, my desktop and all | 12:23 |
| lool | No pain | 12:23 |
| lool | ogra_: I don't think I want to risk the board just to make sure the SATA port work :-/ | 12:23 |
| ogra_ | nice ... though it will still not give you sata speed | 12:23 |
| * ogra_ prefers a real USB disk with 7500rpm instead | 12:24 | |
| ogra_ | saves one layer | 12:25 |
| lool | ogra_: What do you think is in the USB disk? :) | 12:49 |
| ogra_ | never disassembled it :) | 12:50 |
| ogra_ | migth be plain ATA | 12:50 |
| ogra_ | and doesnt really matter if you attch through USB :) | 12:50 |
| lool | The thing is that I can plug SATA disks without rebooting my desktop; it's good for the marvell board at laest | 12:58 |
| lool | And would be good if I had a SATA connector on the B boards | 12:58 |
| lool | *sigh* | 12:58 |
| ogra_ | well, USB will do too | 12:58 |
| lool | Sure, but I'd like to use the SATA port on the marvell and on B if possible | 12:59 |
| ogra_ | i mean ... you wont have either USB nor SATA disk in the production systems anyway | 12:59 |
| lool | That's native | 12:59 |
| lool | Crap init doesn't start | 13:04 |
| ogra_ | ouch | 13:04 |
| lool | Arf no, I'm just being stupid; sorry | 13:05 |
| * ogra_ just copied over a B1 install and dist-upgraded | 13:05 | |
| lool | I passed init=/bin/sh to the cmdline but I had it hardcoded in the config as well | 13:05 |
| ogra_ | even using update-mamanger :) | 13:05 |
| lool | A working reboot would be nice | 13:06 |
| ogra_ | heh | 13:06 |
| lool | ogra_: Is your board also shutting off whenever you press reset, or use reboot? | 13:06 |
| ogra_ | yep | 13:06 |
| ogra_ | since its even with reset from the redboot prompt i think its HW | 13:06 |
| lool | I wonder whether it's configurable | 13:07 |
| ogra_ | not from the DIP switches at least | 13:07 |
| * ogra_ checked that | 13:07 | |
| lool | ISTR there are two banks | 13:07 |
| ogra_ | we only have docs for one | 13:08 |
| lool | ogra_: You have working network/DHCP with B2? | 13:19 |
| lool | I don't | 13:19 |
| lool | Link is shown as up, but it doesn't work | 13:20 |
| lool | Oh here it works now | 13:21 |
| lool | From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=6 Destination Host Unreachable | 13:21 |
| lool | From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=7 Destination Host Unreachable | 13:21 |
| lool | 64 bytes from 192.168.0.101: icmp_seq=8 ttl=64 time=849 ms | 13:21 |
| lool | That's "interestin" | 13:21 |
| lool | It looks like it needs 30 secs to come up or something | 13:22 |
| ogra | hmm | 13:22 |
| lool | Perhaps it doesn't like 1 Gb | 13:22 |
| ogra | no such probs here | 13:22 |
| ogra | though the x server needs quite long to come up and i use NM | 13:23 |
| * ogra runs a 1600x1200 desktop on his B2 | 13:23 | |
| lool | eth0: config: auto-negotiation on, 100FDX, 100HDX, 10FDX, 10HDX. | 13:23 |
| lool | Should work, weird | 13:23 |
| lool | Oh some OOPSes | 13:24 |
| * ogra doesnt see 1000 in that list though | 13:24 | |
| lool | Well it should autonegociate, my switch can do less than 1000 | 13:24 |
| ogra | i also dont see any oopses | 13:25 |
| ogra | my dmesg is clean apart from some noise from the frambuffer i get if i switch the monitor | 13:25 |
| lool | With a static config it works | 13:27 |
| ogra | with NM too | 13:27 |
| ogra | though using karmic here | 13:27 |
| lool | I have a jaunty userspace, but I don't think it matters much | 13:28 |
| ogra | oh, err | 13:28 |
| ogra | wait | 13:28 |
| ogra | ogra@babbage2:~$ grep eth0 /etc/network/interfaces | 13:28 |
| ogra | auto eth0 | 13:28 |
| ogra | iface eth0 inet dhcp | 13:28 |
| ogra | hmm, when did i add that | 13:28 |
| * ogra removes and reboots | 13:28 | |
| lool | That's what I had and it didn't work for me | 13:28 |
| ogra | works here | 13:29 |
| ogra | but i want NM to be used | 13:29 |
| ogra | what is really evil on the B2 is that my serial plug is to big to fit in while DVI is plugged | 13:29 |
| nettolt | hello everyone | 13:31 |
| lool | ogra_: Yeah, for me DVI/serial is tight as well but fits | 13:32 |
| nettolt | I have a zywan router running arcom embedded linux and would like to install ubuntu arm on the device. The unit used redboot to boot the kernel currently. does anyone know where i would start to flash the device to use ubuntu | 13:33 |
| lool | The B2 on SATA feels snappier than the B1 on SD | 13:36 |
| lool | nettolt: You have serial console access to redboot? | 13:36 |
| nettolt | yes i do | 13:36 |
| lool | nettolt: How does it boot? kernel + initrd/initramfs? | 13:37 |
| lool | nettolt: fconfig -l and check the boot script | 13:37 |
| nettolt | lool: good question | 13:37 |
| lool | paste here if you like | 13:37 |
| nettolt | lool: i do not have the decice up and running and was just on my way out to work for the day. I will do this tonight see if you are still around | 13:38 |
| * lool installs the Ubuntu desktop task on his B2 | 13:39 | |
| lool | ogra_: I checked the docs for B2, SW5-10 is to setup the debug board, SW1 and SW2 are personality, SW4 is a setting of the debug board itself, not sure which | 13:42 |
| lool | I didn't find any detailed doc on the DIP switches, just how to set them up for different tasks | 13:43 |
| ogra | right, thats all i have as well | 13:46 |
| ogra | the pdf | 13:46 |
| lool | It's probably somewhere in the reference manual, but I can't find it by searching for SWx | 13:47 |
| ogra | you have a reference manual ? | 13:48 |
| lool | Yes | 13:49 |
| * ogra checks ... i only have an xls with the DIP switch settings and a silly block diagram pdf | 13:49 | |
| ogra | do you mean BABBAGE-2.1.pdf ? | 13:51 |
| lool | I'm uploading it | 13:52 |
| lool | mxc_linux.pdf | 13:53 |
| ogra | ah, great | 13:53 |
| ogra | the other one isnt very helpful if you dont want to solder :) | 13:53 |
| janrinze | lool: i have the image running on the beagleboard. thanks! | 13:54 |
| lool | Cool | 13:55 |
| ogra | yay | 13:55 |
| janrinze | to install GNOME etc.. should I just do apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment ? | 13:57 |
| lool | janrinze: tasksel | 13:57 |
| lool | Pick Ubuntu desktop | 13:57 |
| ogra | is it a 256M board ? | 13:57 |
| janrinze | never liked tasksel... Yup 256MB | 13:58 |
| ogra | for 128M i'd recommend swap and xubuntu-desktop | 13:58 |
| ogra | well, then apt-get install ubuntu-desktop | 13:58 |
| lool | janrinze: tasksel does the right thing though; you can do the same with apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^ | 13:58 |
| ogra | if you dont like tasksel | 13:58 |
| lool | The caret is important | 13:58 |
| ogra | the meta package will also do the right thing | 13:58 |
| ogra | thats why we have it :) | 13:59 |
| janrinze | i will do a backup first since i use the same SDcard as where i have the Debian 5.0 on. | 13:59 |
| lool | The meta package wont do the same thing | 13:59 |
| ogra | then its broken | 14:00 |
| lool | No | 14:00 |
| ogra | its what we suggest in all documentation since warty | 14:00 |
| lool | You should just use the carret notation to pull a task | 14:00 |
| lool | Well you were wrong | 14:00 |
| ogra | i didnt write the docs | 14:01 |
| ogra | and we only use tasks since dapper or so | 14:01 |
| janrinze | tasksel is just another frontend for apt right? | 14:01 |
| ogra | which means it was broken for two years at least by your definition | 14:01 |
| lool | janrinze: Kind of | 14:01 |
| lool | ogra_: Not using tasks is not the correct thing to do since we use them; mmkay? :) | 14:09 |
| ogra | no, what i say is that it has to work either way | 14:11 |
| lool | ogra_: It's not the same | 14:14 |
| ogra | i dont say its the same | 14:14 |
| ogra | i say it has to work reliable either way | 14:14 |
| lool | Please don't advocate usage of meta packages when the best thing to is to use tasks and is equally simple | 14:15 |
| ogra | well, i need to fix a million of scripts then ... and i guess the rest of the world too | 14:16 |
| * ogra wonders why nobody ever discouraged the use of metapackages publically then | 14:17 | |
| ogra | especially given that its recommended on *all* wiki docs we have | 14:18 |
| ogra | and i doubt the docteam was ever told they should change it | 14:18 |
| lool | ogra_: I can't upload the imx ref manual for some reason | 14:51 |
| lool | It just sits there not doing anything | 14:52 |
| ogra | bah | 14:53 |
| ogra | well, i'm still fumbling with the pegatron here | 14:54 |
| ogra | seems the kernel we have is for 3.3, not 5.2 | 14:54 |
| ogra | :( | 14:54 |
| ogra | i tried the B2 one but that doesnt work either | 14:55 |
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| janrinze | lool: looks like tasksel has changed a lot since i last used it :-) | 19:53 |
| janrinze | lool: the interface is really simple... | 19:54 |
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