/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/06/30/#ubuntu-mozillateam.txt

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BUGabundoasac: hi, have u read http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/06/intels-linux-connman-examining-the-pros-and-conns.ars ?00:45
asacinteresting00:54
BUGabundoim liking the matrix too00:55
BUGabundoeheh00:55
BUGabundoasac: wanna know another funny thing?00:56
BUGabundoon 3G I can only see properties, when disconected00:56
BUGabundoafter connecting the menu entrie disapers00:56
BUGabundoasac: did you take into consideration to keep wireless swich on NM separate for 3G?01:00
asacdidnt think about it yet01:01
BUGabundoshall I file a bug to remind you ?01:07
asacremind ;)01:08
* BUGabundo $ sleep in 3,2,1, errrr. No Device Found01:40
TomJaegerHi, does anyone want to discuss bug #217908 ?01:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 217908 in cairo "Pixellated Images in Firefox/Opera due to incorrect EXTEND_PAD implementation in several video drivers" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21790801:46
TomJaegerNow might be a good time to get the fix in.01:49
rippsfta: ping04:16
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ftaripps, pong09:10
rippsfta: sorry that i'm just getting this to, but your last commit to ppa-scripts didn't fix my issue with mpd still using libmms in hardy09:12
rippsI've been kinda busy the last few days, I didn't bother to try it until mpd made an upstream update earlier yesterday09:13
ftahm..09:13
rippsI think it still has the lintian and mms leftover from when there was an error, how do I force it to revert to the way it's suppose to be.09:14
rippsI would manually meddle with the configs, but I'm afraid that will screw the update mechinism in the scripts09:16
ftado you have a new commit in the main ppa branch since?09:24
asachi09:27
rippsfta: no, I but I can always futz with the packaging branch to force an update09:27
ftayes, please try that09:28
rippsfta: http://pastebin.com/f445bc5e709:35
rippsdangit... it looks like it worked this time.... why didn't it work with the first build?09:37
fta:)09:48
BUGabundoguud day10:15
ftadamned udev/policykit10:34
ftaNot Authorized: Remote Exception invoking org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Authority.CheckAuthorization() on /org/freedesktop/PolicyKit1/Authority at name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Launch helper exited with unknown return code10:34
BUGabundoYEP10:37
BUGabundoknown eheh10:37
BUGabundoI have a lot of those for device mounting too10:37
ftaasac, did you have a chance to look at my libjpeg?10:49
rippsfta: in the mean time, use pmount /dev/device label to mount it.10:57
asacfta: did you ask me recently and i missed that?11:08
* asac feels overwhelmed11:08
ftaiirc, you never commented on it11:08
asacfta: last i know was that it didnt work, right?11:09
ftayep, but i'm not sure why.. different abi or mistake on my side11:10
ftaor both11:10
ftaor something else11:10
asacfta: so what do we want to answer on the xul app packaging thing?11:11
fta?11:11
stefanlsdasac: have you had a chance to revu gears yet?  :)11:14
fta[12:08] * asac feels overwhelmed11:15
stefanlsdoh right. no stress :)  if you are generally ok with it, i can get another motu to advocate, and i'll self adv.11:16
BUGabundoyeah fta that one also made me think!11:23
asacanswered the xul packaging stuff11:27
asacstefanlsd: i would suggest that you try to get a first sign off ... fta said that getting a second sign off is harder ;)11:27
asac(so i would proopose that i give the second sign off)11:27
asacor is my sign off enough?11:27
* asac unsure about revu policy11:28
asacstefanlsd: can you build gears against xul 1.9.1?11:28
stefanlsdasac: i can self advocate, but rainct said he also would...  so i'll get him to have a look, and if you're happy i'll upload...11:29
stefanlsdasac: let me check...11:29
asacstefanlsd: please depend on xulrunner-dev (if you depend on 1.9-dev)11:29
asacbuild depend11:29
stefanlsdasac: im alreadly build-depending on xulrunner-dev. Should that xulrunner-1.9.1-dev?11:42
asacstefanlsd: no thats ok then11:45
asacjust want to ensure that we dont add xulrunner-1.9-dev anymore11:45
stefanlsdasac: oh ok. cool. yeah. its using xulrunner-dev as is.11:46
asacfta: did you try the jpeg on amd64 only? or also on 32-bit?12:34
stefanlsdis the MPL,GPL,LGPL essentially MPL or GPL or LGPL, or  MPL and GPL and LGPL? mmm12:49
stefanlsdok. its an or12:52
asacyeah12:56
asacor12:56
asacstefanlsd: advocated13:46
stefanlsdasac: thanks. i've made some minor changes - line wrapping, dep5 revision bump to 59 (small changes) mpl or gpl etc. So will upload new version shortly. RainCT also just testing. but awesome :)13:47
asacstefanlsd: you can also fix minor issues after archive upload ;)13:48
stefanlsdasac: yay! cool.  finally. weird how some stuff can take months...13:49
mbanahello all13:56
mbanai have a strong feeling gmail is using bitmapped fonts.  how can i verify this13:56
bachi asac14:58
asachi bac14:59
asacwhat can i do for you?14:59
baci noticed on this page https://edge.launchpad.net/firefox/+download the file appears to not actually be what it claims14:59
bacthe file is actually an error message, which is really confusing when you attempt to dl it15:00
baci was wondering if you might just delete it.15:00
asacyes15:00
asacbac: deleted. thanks15:00
bacthat's great.  i spent quite a bit of time wondering why the librarian was tring to redirect to that ftp site...15:00
TomJaegerasac, can we discuss bug #217908 ?15:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 217908 in cairo "Pixellated Images in Firefox/Opera due to incorrect EXTEND_PAD implementation in several video drivers" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21790815:35
asacTomJaeger: still a problem?16:11
TomJaegerit still needs a xulrunner patch16:12
TomJaegerthe cairo part is now upstream, though it only conditionally enables EXTEND_PAD via XRender on X servers >= 1.716:15
TomJaegerbut we have a cairo patch in that already does so unconditionally16:15
asacTomJaeger: are you talking about xulrunner 1.9.1 or 1.9? (karmic or jaunty?)16:15
TomJaegerkarmic16:16
asacTomJaeger: same problem in firefox-3.5?16:17
TomJaegeryes16:17
TomJaegerSo what I'd suggest is applying the patch attached to the bug now (so that the binary drivers can get some testing) and then switch over to the patch I attached on the mozilla bugtracker as soon as we get xserver-1.7 and an updated cairo16:18
asachttp://launchpadlibrarian.net/22591744/debdiffs.tar.gz ?16:18
asacthose?16:18
TomJaegerno16:18
TomJaegerhttp://launchpadlibrarian.net/22544758/xulrunner-1.9.1.debdiff16:19
asacTomJaeger: for cairo >= 1.5.8 we use system cairo16:20
asacoh its thebes16:20
TomJaegerasac, I know, system cairo makes things a lot easier16:21
asacTomJaeger: can you fix indentation on upstream patch and request review please?16:24
TomJaegerhow do I request review?16:25
asaccairo_version() ... is that a runtime function?16:25
asacTomJaeger: resubmit and let me konw i will show you ;)16:25
TomJaegerre cairo_version: yes16:26
asacTomJaeger: basically you go to patch "Details" and then you flip "review" to ? and set the person you ask review from16:26
TomJaegerokay, thanks16:26
asacTomJaeger: i would prefer to grab upstream vetted patch16:33
asacseems that the EXTEND_PAD really makes things slower and i dont want to argue about that ;)16:34
TomJaegerThe patch has no effect unless the user has enabled full page zoom > 100%16:36
TomJaegerand even in the case of zoom > 100%, the effect is negligible if done right16:36
TomJaegerIf vlad accepts the patch, though, we should definitely go with the patch attached to the ubuntu bugtracker until we update the server to 1.716:37
TomJaegerokay, I've requested review16:40
asacTomJaeger: well. thats the point. if vlad says he doesnt want it, its a problem to put it in anyway16:40
asacat least i have to talk to him first ;)16:40
TomJaegerI already know that he's fine with what the patch does16:41
asacTomJaeger: if users have a (:XXX) thing in their bugzilla name it means you can request review just using :vlad16:41
asacno need to bother about email address16:41
TomJaegeractually, that's what I did :)16:41
asacoh ok16:42
asacdidnt know it expands that16:42
asacfta: 3.5 is out16:47
asacfta: will you upload to karmic? so i get a tarball for -security?16:47
Nafallohow do I tell firefox to ignore if the cert is being reused easiest?16:59
asacNafallo: i cant parse that ;)17:00
asacignore what?17:00
asacwhat does "cert reusing mean"?17:00
vadi2is ff 3.5 final? it is being offered at http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/upgrade.html as the default option.17:01
Nafalloasac: so... I have this page that makes firefox believe the cert is invalid.17:02
Nafallo(Error code: sec_error_reused_issuer_and_serial)17:02
asacNafallo: goto your account settings17:03
asacgo under security and click manage certificates.17:03
asacfind the cert in question under the website tab & delete it.. then accept the new one if prompted17:03
Nafalloasac: I didn't get prompted :-/17:04
asacremoved the wrong one maybe?17:05
Nafalloasac: no17:05
Nafalloasac: even restarted my browser.17:06
Nafallono google. I did not want to search for :q17:07
fta2asac, i will but i'm worried about the -daily... once we make it default, the backports will follow..17:14
aquariusWhat with Fx 3.5 being released and all, I thought I'd try it out, but I'm not sure if it's packaged anywhere for jaunty? The nightly builds PPA is a bit too scary, so...what's the best way of me upgrading to 3.5 on jaunty at the moment?17:24
aquariusI can of course just install direct from mozilla.org and then it's parallel-installed, but it'd be nice to not do that if possible.17:24
jcastroasac: it might be a good idea to blog or something before the entire internet comes into this channel asking the same thing17:26
jcastroor tell me what to blog and I'll do it. :D17:27
asacfta: what about karmic update so i get a tarball?17:34
asacfta: if you want me to do that let me know.17:34
* aquarius grins17:37
aquariusI had a poke around in case there were already some really obvious instructions that I'd miss...17:37
asacaquarius: i will blog about it after meeting. in short, if you use jaunty or karmic, install firefox-3.5 and wait17:39
aquariusasac: excellent, that's really helpful! thanks :)17:39
asacaquarius: if you run jaunty and want it on first chance enable the ~ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA17:40
asacthats where the jaunty bits will hit the archive first.17:40
asacif you are on hardy or intrepid we unfortunately only have the ~ubuntu-mozilla-daily PPA17:40
asacfor now17:40
asacbut we are working to make a backport ppa available somewhere17:40
aquariusI'm on jaunty, so that seems perfectly fine to me. superb.17:41
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aquariusfirefox-3.5 package. I had no idea that existed. Total win. Cheers asac and all :)17:45
asacaquarius: its been in jaunty for quite som time ;)17:45
asacjust will get updated now that its final17:45
asacand then get regular security updates as usual17:45
asacaquarius: would you volunteer to enable the ~ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA and test the bits before they get rolled to the masses?17:46
aquariusI'm happy to enable the PPA, update, and run things for a general "does this work" smoke test17:46
aquariusbut it'll be pretty light testing if I do it17:47
asacaquarius: normal use is good testing17:47
asacas long as i know that someone uses it ;)17:47
* aquarius laughs17:47
asacwe only upload updates that would go into -security anyway17:48
asacso its pretty safe17:48
asacbut if there is a regression and you catch it, you are a hero ;)17:48
aquariusomg a tab [+] button. I already love 3.5. ;)17:48
asaclol17:49
aquariusOK, so if I enable the -security PPA, does that upgrade my firefox-3.5 package or my firefox package?17:49
asacaquarius: yes17:51
asacit will17:51
asacaquarius: firefox-3.5 and xulrunner-1.9.1 will get upgraded17:52
asacbut if there is a 3.0 security release you will also get those updates a day or two earlier17:52
aquariushang on, i meant "does it upgrade firefox-3.5" or "does it upgrade firefox". :-)17:52
aquariusah, gotcha. coolness17:52
micahgasac: people seem to keep having flash conflicts if 2 flash players are installed17:55
aquarius-security PPA enabled, so when a new version of firefox-3.5 arrives I'll get it. Thanks!17:56
micahgor maybe it's just defaulting to swfdec17:56
vadi2hm, installed the current firefox 3.5 and subscribed to the ~ubuntu-mozilla-security ppa. hope after final 3.5 gets into the ppa and I upgrade, the thing will stop refusing to start :)17:57
aquariuswoah, it all works. Superb.17:57
aquariuswell, geolocation thinks I'm in Mountain View, but I assume that's because I don't have a GPS :)17:58
vadi2hm... my android phone somehow figured out where I was just by wireless and without a gps :/17:58
asacaquarius: yeah. if you stay here, we  can do more interactive testing18:03
asacotherwise just come here if you have problems with -security bits ;)18:03
aquariusasac: happy to18:03
aquariusman, svg filters on arbitrary elements. This is sweet. I can't believe I could have had all this stuff before if I'd known about the firefox-3.5 package. I am so dense :)18:04
asaclol18:04
asaci guess i should have blogged about it18:04
asacwill do that in a few muntes18:04
asacat least i blogged about the dailies ;) http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/158-Ubuntu-Mozilla-Daily-Archive-with-firefox-3.1-and-3.2-for-hardy,-intrepid-and-jaunty.html18:05
aquariusI knew about the daily builds, but I was too chicken to use them because I thought it'd overwrite my standard firefox package, and I can't afford to have my browser go away :)18:07
aquariusooo. http://craigmod.com/journal/font-face/ breaks rather weirdly.18:17
aquariusall the characters get replaced with those little "you don't have a glyph for this" Unicode boxes with the numbers in.18:17
asacaquarius: screenshot please18:18
aquariusjust doing on18:18
ftaasac_, asac: seems there's no tag18:20
asac_fta: no release tag?18:20
aquariusasac: http://kryogenix.org/random/font-face-broken-ff35.png18:20
ftaasac_, http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.1/atom-tags18:22
ftaoh, FIREFOX_3_5_RELEASE, so it's the same as RC318:23
aquariushttp://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/geolocation/ says you can undo "read my location" permission for a page in Page Info > Permissions > Share Location. I don't have that item in Permissions. Aside from that, I don't seem to have a way of granting that permission to a page anyway; every time the page wants my permission, Fx asks me. there's no "tell them and don't ask again". Slightly confused.18:23
asac_yes18:26
asac_aquarius: wait for final build if that still has it lets file a bug18:26
ftaasac_, 3.5 or 3.5.0? the branch already move to 3.5.1pre / 1.9.1.1pre18:27
aquariusasac_: no worries, I don't want to overwhelm you guys with bugs that aren't right for now :)18:27
ftamoveD18:27
fta3.5 i guess, to match upstream18:27
asac_aquarius: all bugs are ok once you have the latest bits18:29
micahgso, FF3.5 is officially released?18:39
asac_yes!!18:40
micahgso how much longer for support on the 3.0.x branch?18:42
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micahgasac, is the new ubufox ready?18:44
ftamicahg, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-firefox-3.518:47
asac_jcastro: http://identi.ca/notice/590843419:06
asac_please spread19:06
asac_Pici: ^^19:07
* aquarius twitters the link19:08
ftaasac_, i'm ready to push 3.5 to karmic with: http://paste.ubuntu.com/207101/ do you see any thing else before i close it?19:12
Piciasac_: thanks19:12
leftyfbAny idea why FF 3.5 on ubuntu 8.04 would segfault? I tried both the ubuntu-mozilla-daily and fta repo's and both have RC and both segfault19:14
asac_fta: official branding ... please not yet19:15
asac_we will do that when we move that to main19:15
ftaasac_, why? i see no reason not to do it, it's still using the cloned profile19:15
ftait's just a matter of icons19:16
asac_fta: because its not the main browser and official branding needs to be signed off19:16
ftawe started to use the official branding at the RCs in 3.019:16
asac_yes, because it was the default at that point19:17
leftyfbI just tried starting with no original Firefox 3.0.11 profile. Still get segfault. Any ideas?19:17
asac_leftyfb: on hardy?19:17
leftyfbyes19:17
asac_leftyfb: move full .mozilla away, then start it with strace -f -eopen firefox 2>&1 | tee /tmp/ffox.log.txt19:18
asac_assuming you have the daily ppa package installed19:18
asac_firefox-3.5 actually19:18
asac_(not firefox)19:18
leftyfbhttp://dropbox.leftyfb.com/ffox.log.txt19:20
asac_fta: please dont forget to open up maxVersion in application.ini19:20
ftaasac_, for the translations?19:21
asac_leftyfb: uninstall libxul0d and libmozjs0d19:21
asac_fta: for application.ini and also for translation (good catch)19:22
asac_fta: application.ini has maxVersion == currentVersion if we dont patch it19:22
leftyfbThe following packages will be REMOVED:19:22
leftyfb  google-gadgets libmozjs-dev libmozjs0d libxul-dev libxul0d xulrunner19:22
asac_we want maxVersion=1.9.1.*19:22
leftyfbthats ok?19:22
asac_leftyfb: yes19:22
asac_if you can live without google-gadgets i guess19:22
leftyfbyup19:22
leftyfbforgot i had it installed19:23
asac_leftyfb: oh19:23
asac_leftyfb: you only need to remove the -dev packages19:23
asac_libxul-dev libmozjs-dev19:23
* asac_ makes a note that we should conflict on them19:23
asac_fta: wanna add those conflicts on xulrunner-1.9.1?19:23
ftayou mean, libxul-dev libmozjs-dev conflicting with xul*-dev, right?19:24
asac_fta: i mean, adding Conflicts: libxul-dev libmozjs-dev to xulrunner-1.9.1  binary package19:25
asac_not the -dev19:25
asac_well the -dev will be implicit19:25
asac_if xulrunner finds /usr/lib/libmozjs.so it will load that instead the one in pkglibdir19:25
asac_same for libxul.so most likely19:26
ftashouldn't it be Build-Conflicts too?19:30
ftaasac_, ^^19:43
leftyfbasac: thanks. That worked.19:46
leftyfbany ETA on the final release coming?19:47
leftyfbthis thing flies19:47
leftyfbeven with my 20+ addons :)19:47
asac_fta: no its a Conflicts19:50
asac_its not for build, but runtime19:50
asac_libxul-dev and libmozjs-dev will hurt our xulrunner during runtime19:50
asac_leftyfb: http://www.telefon.de/datenblaetter/panasonic_kx_tg82xx.pdf19:51
ftai remember i had issues at build time too with libmozjs-dev but i don't remember with project it was19:51
asac_oops19:51
asac_leftyfb: http://identi.ca/notice/590843419:51
asac_fta: install libmozjs-dev and it will crash your ffox 3.5 ;)19:51
ftaasac_, about max version, which one?19:51
asac_at least it will try to use those bits19:51
asac_fta: 1.9.1.*19:51
ftain ff?19:51
ftais that wanted?19:52
asac_application.ini maxVersion=1.9.1.* means that its supposed to run with all xulrunners 1.9.1.*19:52
asac_fta: why not?19:52
asac_we did that for ffox 3.0 too19:52
asac_[Gecko]19:52
asac_MinVersion=1.9.0.119:52
asac_MaxVersion=1.9.0.*19:52
ftai remember now20:02
ftaasac_, about the branding, users are expecting it...20:11
asac_i know. and we are working on it20:12
asac_the transition is being prepared in ffox35 ppa20:13
asac_once we have all main stuff we can shift the default browser20:13
asac_most likely shortly after alpha320:13
asac_in case lots of users complain we can of course reconsider, but lets see first if its really worth putting the extra chains on us20:15
ftaall the builders are busy20:48
asac_fta: uploaded?21:31
BUGabundofta: quick steps to compile from source firefox ?22:34
BUGabundosome one asking on a PT blog22:34
BUGabundoasac ping. around?22:47
huayraif I have a translation for Firefox in X language (and we follow the development process) and it has not been accepted by mozilla, but could be uploaded to launchpad or otherwise make it packageable for Ubuntu. Would it be part of Karmic?22:47
huayracould we at least make it hapen?22:48
huayra*happen22:48
BUGabundoppl at +1 are crying out load for the release of 3.5 as master browser22:48
BUGabundoasac ^^^22:48
huayra3.5 is a better browser.. Been using it since december and it just rocks!22:48
BUGabundoLOL22:48
BUGabundoI'm on 3.622:48
huayraX translation is for 3.5 ;)22:48
BUGabundo3.5 is to stable for me22:48
huayraI haven't gone 3.6 yet22:49
huayrabut most likely will for translation testing purposes (I'm always on +1 in my personal machine)22:49
ftaBUGabundo, i'm on it, xul already pushed to karmic22:50
BUGabundook22:51
BUGabundoabout the source q?22:51
ftalike any other packages22:51
ftaapt-get source foo; cd foo-* ; dpkg-buildpackage22:52
BUGabundotalk to me like I'm a nooob22:52
BUGabundook22:52
ftaBUGabundo, there are plenty of good tutorials for that22:57
BUGabundoI'll point him Google22:58
BUGabundolol22:59
ftaBUGabundo, dholbac's videos22:59
asac_fta: are you waiting for something to upload ffox?23:11
ftai was, but it's done now23:13
BUGabundoyay asac_23:14
ftaasac, builders are busy doing private stuff23:14
asacfta: yeah. just upload with tweaked lower build-depends bound23:15
asacah ok23:15
asacthought you were waiting for xul to finish23:15
asacthx23:15
ftaunlocked the 3.5 dailies too23:16
asachmm. 3.5 isnt in archive yet23:16
asachttps://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.523:16
asacstill at rc323:16
asacerr 223:16
asac;)23:16
asacguess you just uploaded23:17
ftai'm wondering what will happen with those dailies once 3.5 will be default..23:17
asacfta: in which sense? branding wise the dailies should be same as upstream dailies i guess23:17
asacand we need two branches unfortunately23:18
asacor make the .head even smarter23:18
asace.g. creating control on the fly23:18
ftahmm23:18
asacnot sure if i want to end up with packages like doko maintains ;)23:18
asacthey do everything in rules23:18
asacfta: ffox 3.5 still not closed ;)23:20
BUGabundoasac still at rc223:21
asaci see that ;)23:21
BUGabundonot rc323:22
BUGabundoeheh23:22
BUGabundoAFAIK rc3 is Mac gui fix only23:22
asacwell. i am waiting so i can merge stuff to jaunty branch ;)23:22
* asac takes a break to give fta some time ;)23:23
ftaoops, forgot to push the branch, done23:23
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