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maxbIt's weird how some people say ftbs and some say ftbfs00:01
* maxb is in the ftbfs camp00:02
Sarvattthat was fast, x11proto-dri2 synced :)00:29
* bryce grins00:33
bryceactually, slangasek said it was already autosync'd?00:33
Sarvattit wasnt when i looked at aptitude show x11proto-dri2-dev this morning! odd00:35
Sarvatt-vv rather00:35
Sarvatttheres xserver 1.6.2 rc200:36
RAOFDo we want to pull in the couple of libdrm-nouveau patches needed to libdrm to pull in a new nouveau snapshot into Karmic?  I can pull them into libdrm git on alioth if so.00:36
bryceRAOF, sure as long as it doesn't conflict with -ati's00:39
bryceSarvatt, yeah dunno, was it only in debian experimental before?  (which wouldn't get autosync'd... however I didn't mention that in my sync request)00:41
RAOFbryce: What part would conflict with -ati's?  ATI doesn't yet ship a libdrm-radeon (at least in any libdrm release) as far as I can see?00:41
RAOFI guess the ttm & drm modules from nouveau-kernel-source *would* conflict with ATi's stuff in 2.6.31, but that'll only be pulled in by x-x-v-nouveau.00:42
jcristauSarvatt: dri2 1.1 ought to be compatible with 1.008:37
jcristauit's not, but that's a bug.08:37
tjaaltonjcristau: does it concern mesa too? I mean, would something break if mesa was built against it?11:02
jcristautjaalton: the issue seems to be in the server/driver interface, so no11:07
tjaaltonah, great11:14
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tjaaltonmesa and xorg uploaded15:58
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tjaaltonhuh, seems I didn't fix the mesa build properly16:19
tjaaltonsince lpia failed already16:19
tjaaltonSarvatt: did you apply the exact same patch from jcristau, or modified?16:20
tjaaltonanyway, need to do some shopping and then head back home.. I'll sort this out once there16:21
jcristauheh, missing ;16:22
tormoddpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg_1%3a7.4+3ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):17:44
tormod trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/hal/debian-setup-keyboard', which is also in package hal17:44
tormodsorry that was fixed 15 minutes ago I see17:45
tjaaltonyep :)17:48
tjaaltonand looks like the mesa build went fine too17:48
brycetjaalton, thanks for the mesa and xorg uploads!17:49
tormodfinally mesa 7.5 in karmic \o/17:50
tormodwell failed to build all over the place though17:51
tormodtjaalton: jcristauheh, missing ;17:52
tjaaltontormod: yes, uploading a new one right now17:53
Sarvatttjaalton: i modified it because of the missing ; and linked a fixed up one last night but it looks like you already worked it out, sorry about that18:05
tjaaltonSarvatt: yeah, it's good now18:05
A|isince upgrading to 9.04, my ubuntu freezez randomly18:06
* Sarvatt cheers at all the uploads today18:06
A|iwhen it freezes, nothing works, i have to force the machine to restart18:06
tormodis it normal that I have xlibmesa-gl-dev installed? can't see what depends on it18:09
tormodA|i, what card do you have?18:09
A|itormod, radeon 960018:10
A|iyes, it's unsupported in jaunty18:10
tormodA|i, unsupported, why? is it agp?18:10
A|itor, i mean the  amd/ati driver cannot be used as jaunty uses the new xorg18:11
A|ithis is really frustrating18:11
tormodA|i, you don't need fglrx18:11
A|itormod, i'm using the free driver (which sucks)18:12
A|iit's very slow18:12
tjaaltontormod: nope, I don't have it here and I have a lot of headers installed18:12
A|itormod, the worst part is that, when it freezes, i lose data on my ntfs drives18:13
tormodtjaalton, thanks. this was a recent, clean install of karmic but I have been through xorg-edgers packages etc18:13
tormodA|i, it can be a bit slower than fglrx but should be useable. and definitely not lock up. is it AGP?18:14
A|itormod, yes18:14
Sarvattthats installed by a metapackage tormod, are you sure you didnt come from hardy or something? :D18:15
A|itormod, any idea how to avoid the freezing? googling shows many people have this problem in jaunty, but no solution18:15
tormodSarvatt, as I said, clean karmic install - from your kms cd :D18:15
Sarvattapt-get build-dep anything?18:16
tormodA|i, link to bug report?18:16
tormodSarvatt, good idea. I guess those do not show up in apt-cache (r)depends18:17
A|itormod, here is one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=114132018:17
tormodA|i, that is not a bug report18:17
A|itormod, but it's very difficult to trace this problem18:17
A|ii know, i don't know if anyone has submitted one18:17
tormodA|i, I know, but you can't expect developers to search the forums for bugs to fix18:18
A|itormod, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/36482818:19
ubottuUbuntu bug 364828 in linux "Ubuntu 9.04 freezing" [Undecided,Invalid]18:19
tormodA|i, there is not much harm in filing a new bug and attaching info18:19
tormodA|i, that bug was closed because it was fixed.18:20
A|iit wasnt18:20
tormodA|i, the reporter could not reproduce it any longer -> closed. anyway it was nvidia cards18:21
tormodA|i, those bugs are highly specific to each driver and often a family of cards18:22
A|itormod, yes, but re-constructing this bug is impossible18:22
A|ii dont really have much to report18:23
A|iit doesn't get logged too18:23
tormodA|i, I know but please file a bug using "ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-ati"18:23
tormodthis will attach relevant information18:23
tormodA|i, let me ask for the 3rd time: is it an AGP card?18:24
A|itormod, yes, i answered yes, how can i verify this? is there a command?18:24
tjaaltonprobably needs an AGP quirk?18:24
tormodthe log that will be attached to your bug report will confirm this18:25
tormodyes very probably an AGPMode issue18:25
tormodA|i, sorry I missed your "yes" in all the talk18:26
A|iwhat should agpmode be set to?18:26
tormodA|i, trial and error, your choices are 1,2,4 or 4,8 depending on your card18:26
tormodA|i, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Quirks#ATI%20AGP%20Mode%20Quirk18:27
tormodA|i, if you follow up (on launchpad) with this info we can easily fix it18:27
A|itormod, i think my agp goes up to 16x, and in bios i set it to 8x, does ubuntu overwrite this again?18:29
tormodI don't think AGP x16 exists...18:30
A|itormod, it is similar to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/34922918:31
ubottuUbuntu bug 349229 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[RV350] system freeze randomly, need hard reset" [Undecided,Confirmed]18:31
A|ibut they dont talk about agp?18:31
A|itormod, how can i find out my current agp mode?18:33
tormodA|i, well they should if the reporter has an agp card :) but anyway file your own bug. different cards - different bugs and quirks18:33
tormodA|i, grep "agp..Mode" /var/log/Xorg.0.log18:35
A|i(II) RADEON(0): [agp] Mode 0x1f000a0a [AGP 0x1106/0x0282; Card 0x1002/0x4152 0x174b/0x7c19]18:35
A|itormod, the above is not 1,2,4,8?18:36
tormodA|i, it's bit encrypted: the last "a" in the Mode says this is an 4/8 card.18:38
A|itormod, but does it say if it is currently on 4 or 8?18:39
tormodand the mode is 4 IIRC. try setting 818:39
A|iok, thanks18:39
tormodwell try both and you'll see18:39
A|iok,.. i'm going to restart x and wait for it to (not) to happen!18:40
* tormod looks for his agp mode parsing script18:41
* hyperair is annoyed that the key repeat settings seem to not get set correctly for newly plugged in keyboards18:57
tormodfor radeon hangs new in Jaunty there is also http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2184919:05
ubottuFreedesktop bug 21849 in DRM/Radeon "many lockups since 2.6.30-rc1" [Critical,Resolved: fixed]19:05
tormod(since the 2.6.30-rc1 stuff in question was backported to the Jaunty kernel)19:06
brycehow things going tormod?19:06
tormodbryce, fine thanks, but too much nice weather for any serious hacking19:06
brycetormod, is it time for us to update -ati?  I think we've done updates to all the other drivers so far, I haven't checked where -ati is at tho19:06
brycehehe, quite true19:07
tormodit is always time to update -ati :) at least the 6.12 branch is a no-brainer19:07
tormodthere has been many card-specific fixed, PCI ids and such19:09
tormodnow is a good time to snapshot master, before they put kms in there19:09
brycetormod, ok we can pull in a new snapshot; is the current one in xorg-edgers good, or is there a different commit id that is more stable?19:10
tormodI haven't heard about any regressions19:10
tormodI would pull up to bb04... just before the kms preparation19:12
tormodwhich I have in my PPA I think19:12
brycebug tracker seems reasonably quiescent19:13
SarvattCheck if the composite op is supported in R200CheckComposite. isnt in the one on edgers19:13
tormodyeah that's bb0419:14
Sarvattthe got commited like 10 minutes after i uploaded the package lol19:14
brycemm, that change is listing as e1a582fd in my tree; maybe I'm on a branch19:15
bryce# On branch 6.12-branch19:15
bryceaha19:15
tormodthe 6.12-branch is for SRU and old ladies, I think master is pretty safe at this point19:16
brycehehe19:17
bryceok sonny19:18
Sarvattmaybe we should clean up .gitignore and lastcommit files in auto-xorg-git? noticed some stuff hanging around in orig.tar.gz while making debdiffs19:18
brycegood idea19:19
Sarvattcould the lastcommit, delete it before creating the orig then make it again after if we need it to hang around?19:19
Sarvattcould delete rather19:19
Sarvattwow, i cant speak today!19:19
tormodI'd say leave it in, but do not add it to the orig.tar.gz19:20
Sarvattoh that too, could add --exclude=.gitignore --excluse=.lastcommit right?19:20
tormodyes19:20
bryceso... you guys have a preference, should I pull tormod's package from his ppa, or pull sarvatt's and apply bb04 as a patch?19:21
tormodmine is using experimental, sarvatt's is from debian-unstable19:22
tormodI am not sure if there is a difference19:22
Sarvattunstable was newer when i looked19:22
Sarvatthttp://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-xorg/driver/xserver-xorg-video-ati.git;a=summary19:22
bryceok, sounds like sarvatts+patch is the way to go19:23
tormodmight be some pci id changes in debian/19:24
tormodor you use auto-xorg-git to roll your own :)19:24
brycein debian/patches ?19:24
Sarvatti dont know, you probably want to remove the hooks for ati anyhow so i would use another19:24
tormodI just checked http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-xorg/driver/xserver-xorg-video-ati.git;a=history;f=debian;hb=refs/heads/debian-unstable19:25
tormodthere is a pci id difference from experimental19:25
Sarvattyeah unstable doesnt install them19:26
tormodyes, maybe you don't want that git commit ID patch we add through the hooks19:27
brycehmm19:27
tormoddoesn't hurt though19:27
brycebtw, I nuked the karmic fglrx and nvidia packages from edgers; they're in karmic already.  I saw we were up to 99% full on the ppa19:27
tormodI've asked for more space, maybe you can kick your colleagues :)19:28
bryceI'd like to keep the jaunty versions a bit longer since I'd asked folks to test those, but we can drop them later since they're in x-updates19:28
tormodyes, I won't miss the blobs in xorg-edgers19:29
brycetormod, ok is there a bug# or person I can reference?19:29
tormodbryce, I asked on soyuz answers.lp.net19:29
bryceyeah in the future I think I should post them to x-updates myself rather than going through xorg-edgers to avoid clashing with other libs in edgers19:30
Sarvattwe could move hardy and intrepid to another PPA via binary copies and clean it up :D19:30
tormodwell there is not much for intrepid and some people are using it for hardy (LTS and all that)19:30
tormodwould be nice if they fix launchpad to filter releases by default, or as a ppa setting19:31
Sarvattdesktop support ended though (excuse excuse!) :D19:31
Sarvattbryce actually gave me a link that lets you filter it, you can do it manually screwing with the url lol19:32
brycetormod, ah I notice you requested on the original space request, but it seems to have scrolled off the list so maybe they've not noticed; I'll file a new request19:32
tormodoh is that true? isn't it until 9.10 or something?19:32
tormodbryce: it's there if you filter on Open19:32
tormodI hope the soyuz people filter on open, another thing that could have been default :)19:33
Sarvatthttps://edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=jaunty19:34
tormodisn't LTS supported on the desktop until next LTS?19:34
tormodmaybe we can add those links in the header of the page?19:34
Sarvatttrying to find where i read it, i think it was like 18 months desktop and the rest is just security updates so that would put it at 9.10 then19:36
tormodoh for lock-ups in jaunty there is also https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/35515519:36
ubottuUbuntu bug 355155 in linux "Clocksource tsc unstable leads to lockups in Ubuntu Jaunty" [High,Triaged]19:36
brycetormod, LTS's are supported for longer than just the next LTS19:38
bryceaiui, dapper is just now going away19:38
* tormod actually runs hardy on some lab computers19:38
Sarvattclocksource tsc unstable is just a harmless error message with how it checks it on bootup though...19:39
brycehttps://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/7572819:39
tormodSarvatt, the bug has importance=high ?19:40
Sarvatti havent looked at that bug yet but i'm just going to go out on a limb and guess they have vbox or  kvm modules loaded19:40
Sarvatti get clocksource tsc unstabled on every pc that is able to change its frequency dynamically19:41
tormodLeann triaged it to High so there must be something to it19:42
Sarvattoh tormod, I'm sorry, i was thinking of 6.06 desktop support. sheesh :)19:53
tormodomg the 355155 bug mentioned has become a metoo black hole19:56
Sarvattbecause of the title!!!19:56
Sarvatteveryone with multiple cpus or cpus that can change frequency get that in dmesg!19:56
Sarvattits not a bug, it just means it cant use TSC as the clock source which is intentional, it falls back to acpi_pm19:57
Sarvattsudo cat /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/available_clocksource19:58
Sarvattsudo cat /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource19:58
bryce231 comments, not bad20:01
tormodtjaalton, seems like the new xorg (?) broke X via gdm. startx works20:02
* bryce adds comment, "This bug affects me too! But I have different hardware. When will it be fixed???"20:02
tormodWarning:  Could not generate /etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe for vesa driver20:03
tormodbryce, go back to windows :)20:03
tormodand my keyboard layout is lost20:04
* Sarvatt makes a note to not reboot anytime soon :D20:06
Sarvattoh man, right as I said that i noticed my battery had .5% power left20:09
Sarvattg-p-m wont stay open longer than 30 minutes or so lately for me so i've been checking it manually20:10
* Sarvatt makes a new bug saying Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 1 error in dmesg causes lockups in Jaunty20:13
tormoddid anyone else try restarting X after the last updates, or find out something_20:19
Sarvatthow did you even install all of the updates?20:19
Sarvattor did you not notice the error?20:19
Sarvattoh now its published, sweet20:20
tormodfrom the general silence I suppose everybody is staring at their text consoles :)20:24
Sarvatti'll try now20:24
rick_h_tormod: well I stopped gdm on boot20:25
rick_h_and setup an .xinitrc20:25
rick_h_and so have things 'working'20:25
rick_h_but I was a moron and updated when I shouldn't have so taking my licks20:25
rick_h_although booting my WM this way is causing issues with my fun .Xresources/.Xmodmap stuff20:26
tormodrick_h_, you can just run startx instead of making an .xinitrc right?20:28
rick_h_tormod: yea, but to get awesomeWM started as my default WM I exec awesome in my .xinitrc to get the right WM20:28
jbarnesbryce: you'll want cec9fc6f6cffce186606f39982d0d78ff7c63bbf from the 2d driver20:29
jbarnesshould fix the dpi differences people have been seeing, along with the display properties applet in the kms case20:30
tormodif awesomeWM has a desktop file you can choose it in a gconf setting somewhere20:30
rick_h_yea, I have it setup as a default in gdm and it works ok there. 20:31
tormodrick_h_, I see20:31
rick_h_but since gdm is blowing up on me and locking up my X and all this way is working20:31
rick_h_and once I get my blown up screen from GDM, ctrl-alt-1-6 won't give me a terminal either20:31
tormodrick_h_, intel?20:32
rick_h_yea20:32
rick_h_T6120:32
tormodthe joy of kms I suppose20:32
rick_h_well I knew better. I am heading out of town and figured I'd do updates before I left20:33
rick_h_then boom :)20:33
tjaaltontormod: how could that be?20:34
tormodtjaalton, did you not experience it?20:34
tjaaltonI should probably try :)20:35
tormoddog food :)20:35
tjaaltontesting ftw20:35
tormodI guess gdm fails to start x then failsafeX fails because it tries to run dexconf (which it should not any longer, right?)20:36
tjaaltonwhich kernel?20:37
tormod2.6.30-10-generic20:37
tjaalton.31 fails here, intel claims no modes20:37
tjaaltonok20:37
tormod2.6.30-10.12-generic to be precise20:37
tjaaltonI'm still running -8, because of the dpms hanger20:38
tjaaltonanyway, upgrading now..20:38
jbarnesSarvatt: just fixed the bug where in KMS mode outputs didn't have the EDID blob20:41
Sarvattyes, very broken and I couldnt figure out why. its forcing failsafe mode no matter what for some reason20:41
jbarneswhich makes the display applet easier to use and will probably fix the dpi differences between kms and ums20:41
Sarvattactually had to boot up windows here so i can look through the changes to try to figure it out20:41
Sarvattoh nice!20:41
Sarvattit might be a bit until i can update edgers, in windows atm because of problems in karmic :D20:42
jbarnesouch20:42
brycejbarnes, thanks20:42
tormodthis looks messed up:20:43
tormodgdm[14980]: DEBUG: Loading locale string: Welcome (null) 20:43
tormodgdm[14980]: DEBUG: Key file does not have key 'Welcome'20:44
tormodor maybe not20:44
bryceheh, guess xorg should have been staged on xorg-edgers first20:45
tjaaltonI'll debug it goddammit :)20:45
tormodheh this is messed up:20:45
tormodDEBUG: gdm_server_spawn: '/usr/X11R6/bin/X 20:45
tormodX11R6 ?20:45
brycewell, the good news is half the desktop team was just complaining a few hours ago that are using xorg-edgers too much and not putting stuff in ubuntu quickly enough for people to test ;-)20:45
tjaaltontormod: good catch20:46
tjaaltonso gdm needs fixing.. seb128? :)20:46
seb128tjaalton, what is broken?20:46
tormodbeen too long without any X breakage, about time we get some fun20:46
Sarvattare we not creating the symlink to X in the postinst now?20:46
tjaaltonseb128: gdm.conf still references /usr/X11R6/bin/X which is finally gone20:47
tjaaltonseb128: it should use /usr/bin/X instead20:47
seb128tjaalton, and you uploaded that?20:47
seb128tjaalton, without testing?20:47
tjaaltonseb128: why yes :/20:47
seb128bah20:47
seb128great20:48
tjaaltonthe package has a Breaks for it, but the debian version20:48
tjaaltonI could fix that20:49
seb128well that will be as quick to fix gdm now20:49
tjaaltonok..20:49
seb128but that means anybody upgrading between now and some publisher run later will have broken xorg20:49
tjaaltonright20:49
seb128we should not give upload rights for base components to people not testing before upgrading20:49
tormodthey can still use "startx"20:49
seb128sorry for the rant looking at fixing gdm now20:49
tjaaltonnp, deserve it20:50
tjaaltontoo much vac :P20:50
tjaaltonwell, say I didn't use gnome or gdm, this bug would have gone unnoticed anyway ;)20:52
tjaaltonI'll let the forums know20:53
Sarvattahh yeah * Don't ship the /usr/X11R6/bin symlink in x11-common.  Break gdm <<20:54
Sarvatt    2.20.7-5.20:54
seb128tjaalton, gdm change uploaded, you might still want to update the break to gdm <= 2.20.10-0ubuntu3 in the next upload20:57
tjaaltonseb128: yeah, will do20:59
tjaaltonseb128: thanks for the quick update, and sorry for the trouble at this hour!21:00
seb128no problem, happens to everybody21:00
tjaaltonuploaded21:07
tjaaltonSarvatt: fixed livecd-rootfs to not touch xorg.conf anymore21:25
tjaaltonpushed to bzr21:25
Sarvattphew, editing the links to use /usr/bin/X instead in gdm.conf did fix it for me, there were multiple places it was calling it in there so it threw me off since i only edited the first :D21:25
brycehey sarvatt, I've a handy script you might find useful... I'll post to ubuntu-x@21:28
Sarvattgotta love etckeeper :) http://sarvatt.com/downloads/0001-saving-uncommitted-changes-in-etc-prior-to-apt-run.patch.txt21:36
Sarvattoo, what about bryce?21:36
brycechangelog merges21:37
Sarvattoh nice!21:38
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Sarvattholy heck g-p-m output is rediculious21:43
Sarvatt200k of output into .xsession-errors in 5 minutes :D21:45
bryce-ati snapshot uploaded to karmic21:53
bryceSarvatt, I also stuck it in xorg-edgers, although that probably wasn't necessary21:53
bryceSarvatt, tormod: xorg-edgers can move on to focus on -ati+KMS work now :-)21:54
Sarvattjbarnes: very nice! just looked over the changes, new one is uploading right now21:54
tormodbryce, can you ping apw about a newer kernel again? :)21:54
brycesure21:55
Sarvattyeah we need a linux-libc-dev that has all the radeon KMS stuff that doesnt get built if its not enabled in staging as far as i can see21:55
bryceah, Sarvatt, could you write up what's needed in an email to ubuntu-x@?  Then I'll forward that along21:56
bryceI need to get re-caughtup on kms stuff, I've been focused just on bug stuff exclusively this last week21:57
bryceok, time to go do DEQ/DMV stuff...  bbiab22:12
tjaaltonjcristau: the fdi file change probably makes sense for debian too22:40
tormodbryce, I would link to bug_1734 on your blog, but it requires a login.23:06
apwbryce, i keep forgetting, how is radeon kms in stock karmic userspace23:33
tormodapw?23:37
Sarvattnot working, they are *just* getting it up at least with kms and no libdrm-radeon1 as of a few hours ago in -ati 23:37
Sarvattfunny, it requires libdrm-radeon1 to build kms support, but says "It won't build against libdrm radeon yet either"23:39
Sarvattoh nevermind, the check in configure.ac is just there to check further if it should build dri2 support if DRM_MODE is yes and that part isnt working23:41
Sarvattyeah that mesa rules change for sure fixed things, 16 builds with no failures now.. that was annoying me for a month having to babysit the retry button every day :D23:44

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