[02:24] <seele> can anyone get flash to work in arora?
[02:30] <JontheEchidna> works fine here
[02:30] <ScottK> Right, but you're sick and went to the dentist today.  You aren't a credible witness.
[02:30] <ScottK> ;-)
[02:30] <seele> how did you install it? i used the deb packaged and restarted arora and it still isnt working
[02:33] <JontheEchidna> I installed flashplugin-installer a while back
[02:34] <seele> hum.. that is already installed
[02:34] <seele> grr
[02:34] <seele> i'm not giving it a passing grade if i can't get hulu to work!
[02:34]  * seele stomps her foot
[02:35] <JontheEchidna> come to think of it, hulu didn't work the last time I tried it
[02:37] <JontheEchidna> youtube works, though
[02:37] <JontheEchidna> yeah, hulu no workey
[02:40] <seele> yeah, screw that. F
[07:57] <Quintasan> hi \o
[11:00] <hunger> Very quiet today... Is everybody traveling to akademy?
[11:16] <freinhard> nope, some don't ;)
[11:18] <Tm_T> wish I were
[11:36] <pkt> It seems the reverse dependencies of kdebase-runtime 4.2.95 are in karmic while kdebase-runtime itself isn't
[11:46] <seaLne> should any updates yesterday in kde settings disable keyboard layouts? today i had to re enable them
[11:52] <neversfelde> same here
[12:05] <seaLne> and i want my sound back, makes video editing hard *sulk* ;)
[12:06] <refic> :)
[12:06] <pkt> what happened to your sound? pulse audio?
[12:08] <hunger> seaLne: I think there were some xorg/hal updates that broke keyboard layouts in X yesterday.
[12:12] <seaLne> pkt: hmm actually it looks like sound is working again \o/ alsa just seemed to be crashing which was weird kmix would die if you did anything and alsamixer wouldn't work either
[12:16] <pkt> seaLine: that is good news, since my sound is still not working
[12:16] <pkt> but I don't care enough to look, there are bigger problems for now :)
[12:18] <pkt> btw, I think the reason behind the current kde fiasco is the buggy kdepimlibs5 package
[12:18] <pkt> in kdelibs5.install it should have been libgpgme*.so.2.2.1 not 2.2.0
[12:23] <pkt> I mean kdepimlibs5.install of course
[12:25] <Trouble> KDE 4.3 RC1 has been officially relleased on kde.org! \o/
[12:25] <Ke> yays
[14:10] <pkt> there is a circular dependency that troubles me
[14:11] <pkt> kdebase-runtime -> kdebase-workspace -> libknotificationitem1 -> kdebase-runtime
[14:11] <pkt> this is also for build dependencies (!)
[14:12] <pkt> I can't understand how kdebase-runtime can be built with such a dependency
[14:12] <pkt> is it really needed?
[14:13]  * ScottK thought we fixed that.
[14:15] <pkt> ScottK: thanks, I 'll try an apt-get update
[14:16] <ScottK> pkt: I mean a while ago.  We may have inadvertently dropped the fix.
[14:17] <pkt> ScottK: yeah, it is not working right now
[14:17] <pkt> what was the fix btw?
[14:21] <lex79> pkt: a line in debian/rules
[14:21] <ScottK> Something like dpkg-shlibs -x whateverbinarynamefromkdebase-runtime in libknotificationitem1 debian/rules
[14:22] <ScottK> lex79: Can you check that?
[14:22] <lex79> ScottK: in kdelibs-experimental ?
[14:22] <ScottK> lex79: Yes.
[14:22] <lex79> ok
[14:24] <pkt> cool, that would be nice
[14:24] <pkt> I will try it here too
[14:24] <divan> hi all - quick question(if anyone knows) - when will kde 4.3 rc1 be hitting any kubuntu repo now that its out?
[14:24] <pkt> soon probably
[14:24] <ScottK> divan: It's mostly, if not all, in Karmic now.
[14:24] <pkt> isn't 4.3rc1 the 4.2.95?
[14:25] <lex79> yes it is
[14:25] <pkt> then indeed it is almost there but the kubuntu-desktop metapackage is uninstallable right now
[14:25] <ScottK> Except pimlibs totall ftbfs.
[14:25] <divan> ScottK: Thanks - jaunty? switching to Karmic might be a bit too buggy for me just yet :)
[14:25] <pkt> yeah
[14:25] <ScottK> Dunno, but I know the PPA for backports is being worked.
[14:25] <pkt> I posted the fix in this channel :)
[14:26] <pkt> just up libgpgme++ from 2.2.0 -> 2.2.1 everywhere (kdepimlibs5.install) and it works
[14:27] <pkt> now if that bug with kdebase-runtime/kdelibs is fixed too, the whole should work (hopefully) :)
[14:28] <ScottK> pkt: Thanks.  I'm looking at pimlibs now.
[14:28] <micmord> Hi kubuntu folks, does anyone knows if someone is working on porting "kiosktool" on KDE4? I am lock to kde3 on kubuntu 8.04.2 :-(
[14:28] <ScottK> micmord: There has been some discussion about it, but I don't know how much progress.
[14:28] <ScottK> micmord: #kde-devel is probably a better place to ask.
[14:28] <micmord> ScottK: thanks
[14:29]  * ScottK is fixing pimlibs....
[14:29] <freinhard> ScottK: in case you have a look at kdepim, would be nice to know why ktimetracker_plugin.dekstop get's lost.
[14:29] <ScottK> freinhard: It'll be long enough before I get to it that I'll probably forget.  You might ping whoever did the current upload.
[14:30] <ScottK> Bonus points for Riddell on pimlibs for uploading it to the archive with ~ppa1 still on it.
[14:31] <Tm_T> ScottK: that's there so we can see if you catch it
[14:34] <pkt> hmm, kdelibs-experimental's debian/rules is one line only :/
[14:34] <pkt> it probably needs an override or such
[14:39] <lex79> pkt: i'm working on it
[14:41]  * ScottK is on the phone.
[14:44] <pkt> lex79: thanks, tell me if you could use any help/testing/etc :)
[14:44] <lex79> :)
[14:49] <lex79> ok, testbuild done, fixed
[14:49] <lex79> ScottK: fixed in bzr
[14:50] <pkt> lex79: great, thanks :)
[14:50] <lex79> yep
[15:10] <ScottK> Off the phone.  Test building the old pimlibs first to make sure I can replicate the failure, then I'll try pkt's fix.   Working on lex79's circular build-dep fix in the mean time ....
[15:11] <lex79> and fixing launchpad bug 394168 :)
[15:11] <ScottK> pkt: The magical cdbs incantation (thanks to lex79) is DEB_DH_SHLIBDEPS_ARGS_ALL := -- -xkdebase-runtime
[15:12] <ScottK> lex79: Later.  I'll work my way up the stack.
[15:12] <lex79> Yes ok
[15:13] <lex79> ScottK:
[15:13] <lex79> [01:35:23] <Riddell> kdepimlibs fixed
[15:13] <lex79> [01:35:29] <Riddell> took an svn snapshot
[15:13] <lex79> [01:35:33] <Riddell> seems to have fixed kdepim too
[15:13] <ScottK> lex79: It's FTBFS in the archive currently.
[15:14] <lex79> very good
[15:15] <lex79> ironic :)
[15:15] <pkt> SkottK: thanks for the info
[15:16] <pkt> I 'm a real newbie in cdbs :)
[15:16] <lex79> me too lol
[15:17] <ScottK> pkt: Assuming your recommended fix for pimlibs works, I'll credit you in debian/changelog.  How do you want to be listed?  Pantelis Koukousoulas?
[15:18] <pkt> yeah, I don't mind
[15:18] <pkt> it is my real name
[15:20] <ScottK> I can also steal all the credit if you don't want to be listed?
[15:20] <Tm_T> "pick me pick me!"
[15:21] <pkt> hehe
[15:21]  * Tm_T shames him/her/itself
[15:21] <Drknezz> Hi guys!
[15:21] <Drknezz> I want to ask something, why did you leave adept? packagekit is so bad, it barely displays GUI apps, and not all of 'em :(
[15:21] <pkt> probably because packagekit is cross-distro
[15:22] <Drknezz> but packagekit is evil
[15:22] <Drknezz> it is very limited
[15:22] <pkt> whatever gui features are missing can probably be added
[15:22] <Tm_T> Drknezz: can you provide precise data how it is limited?
[15:22] <ScottK> Drknezz: Adept was basically dead upstream.
[15:22] <ScottK> Tm_T: It is limited.
[15:22] <Drknezz> although kpackagekit has good looks, when you search for devel packages, none show up
[15:23] <Drknezz> whille in synaptic, packages are there
[15:23] <Tm_T> ScottK: yes, but saying "it's limited" itself tells nothing to me
[15:23] <ScottK> Drknezz: Essentially we don't develop a KDE package management front end.  We went with the one we thought had the best change of being developed/maintained by someone else as we don't have the people to do it.
[15:23] <Drknezz> Tm_T: it is very "newbie-oriented", and when you search for devel packages which you dont know their names.... :/
[15:24] <Drknezz> ScottK: hmmm... reasonable enough
[15:24] <Tm_T> interesting
[15:24] <pkt> I always just use the command-line
[15:24] <ScottK> Tm_T: My two favorites is it doesn't handle config file differences and doesn't verify packages are signed (Adept 3 didn't do this one either, but Adept 2 did)
[15:25] <Drknezz> ScottK: but i have a question, if Adet was cool, easy to use, and powerful in kde 3, why it became so crippled on Kde4?
[15:25] <Tm_T> Drknezz: KDE4 != KDE3
[15:25] <ScottK> Drknezz: Because it had to be essentially rewritten to port it to KDE4 and the port was never finished.
[15:25] <Drknezz> pkt: try using apt-cache for all your package searching ;)
[15:25] <Drknezz> Tm_T: ¬¬
[15:25] <pkt> that is what I do :)
[15:25] <Tm_T> Drknezz: there's wajig (:)
[15:25] <freinhard> adept took hours to load and searching was a pain on slow hardware. i like packagekit+index
[15:26] <pkt> I also use the web of course ;)
[15:26] <Drknezz> ScottK: The mantainer said he left the project because you just suddenly moved on to packagekit
[15:26] <Tm_T> Drknezz: says where?
[15:26] <ScottK> Drknezz: That's true.  That's why I said barely maintained, not unmaintained.
[15:26] <ScottK> Tm_T: It's accurate.
[15:26] <Drknezz> freinhard: try searching for kernel packages with kpackagekit ;)
[15:26] <Drknezz> ScottK: oh well :/
[15:27] <Drknezz> ScottK: I'll have to use Synaptic's lame grey-brown appearance when ran as root
[15:27] <ScottK> Drknezz: Adept was being done by one person who wasn't very motivated about it (this isn't a criticism, just the situation).
[15:27] <Drknezz> ScottK, i understand
[15:27] <ScottK> Drknezz: The command line tools really are better IMO.
[15:28] <ScottK> So you don't "have" to use synaptic
[15:28] <Drknezz> ScottK: i know, i love apt-get
[15:28] <pkt> e.g., 'apt-cache rdepends'
[15:28] <Drknezz> ScottK: but, when you're about to search for devel packages for a compilation :S
[15:29] <pkt> you just call the command you want
[15:29] <freinhard> Drknezz: that's why real kubuntu-hack0rz that need -dev packages or special kernel stuff use aptitude.
[15:29] <Drknezz> pkt: What if the app is not in repos? XD
[15:29] <pkt> and let command-not-found deal with the problem for you
[15:29] <Tm_T> freinhard: does not
[15:29] <Drknezz> freinhard: aptitude is kinda reundant for me, i prefer it only for installing meta-packages
[15:29] <pkt> Drknezz: if it is not in the repos then the gui tools can't help you either
[15:30] <Drknezz> pkt: command-not-foun phails sometimes
[15:30] <pkt> the gui tools fail more often :)
[15:30] <Drknezz> pkt: i mean, if the package isnt in repos, but it's deps are
[15:30] <freinhard> why are xsd files associated with konqueror? that's quite useless.
[15:30] <Drknezz> pkt: I <3 command line xD
[15:31]  * Drknezz is compiling the 2.6.30 kernel :p
[15:31] <pkt> apt-get build-dep linux-image
[15:31] <Drknezz> pkt: i never use linux-image from repos
[15:32] <Drknezz> kernel.org FTW
[15:32] <pkt> you didn't get it
[15:32] <pkt> you just get the build-deps
[15:32] <Drknezz> deps
[15:32] <Drknezz> lol
[15:32] <Drknezz> idk, i just dont like using build-dep for some reason
[15:32] <Drknezz> build-dep is eeevil
[15:33] <pkt> no idea what you are talking about
[15:33] <ScottK> kdelibs-experimental uploaded.  Thank you lex79 and pkt for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[15:33] <pkt> heh, nice :)
[15:33] <pkt> it built here fine too
[15:33] <Drknezz> I may revive my PPA :p
[15:34] <pkt> the ppas are the best feature of ubuntu/launchpad for me
[15:34] <Drknezz> :D
[15:34] <Drknezz> hmmm.... Ubuntu on the clouds
[15:35] <Drknezz> Kinda hard of thinking a computer on the net si processing your top-secret OO.org document, leaving your processor stupidly idle
[15:36] <pkt> well, if one is using a web service for top-secret stuff then it isn't the processor that is stupid :p
[15:37] <Drknezz> lol
[15:37] <Drknezz> Right
[15:37] <pkt> on the other hand  running an experiment in 5 EC2 machines that cost you 2 euros in total
[15:37] <Drknezz> Anyways, why would someone ever want to make another pc process YOUR stuff?
[15:37] <pkt> while at the same time preventing your small laptop from frying
[15:37] <Drknezz> Appart from science
[15:38] <pkt> for public stuff in general, why not?
[15:38] <Drknezz> I mean, what's the real-world application of that?
[15:38] <pkt> cheaper cpu power, bigger bandwidth, persistence ...
[15:39] <pkt> sometimes it is a win, sometimes it isn't
[15:39] <Drknezz> "Hey guys, im using ubuntu in the cloud now, have to wait for the download to complete, so we can get out...." ¬¬
[15:39] <Drknezz> Pretty lame if ur not on fast connection
[15:39] <Drknezz> As much as it can be useful, it can be pretty useless to the common ppl
[15:41] <Drknezz> Bye bye guys
[15:52] <micmord> ScottK: kiosktool seems still alive https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-kiosk
[15:53] <micmord> sorry, correct url http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/sysadmin/kiosktool/
[15:53] <ScottK> OK.  Good to know.
[15:53] <nixternal> GOOD MORNING KUBUNINJAS!
[15:53] <micmord> really the ml contain a lot of spam
[15:55] <ScottK> pkt: I'm test building your pimlibs fix now.  It turns out it was the way you suggested before and got (presumabley accidentally) reverted in the last upload.
[15:56] <jjesse> morning nixternal
[15:56] <jjesse> nixternal: you havea a job yet?
[15:56] <nixternal> no
[15:56] <jjesse> bummer on that
[15:56] <nixternal> I am cycling every day...I have applied to a few bike shops as well as Trek, Bontrager, SRAM, and others...thinking about getting into the cycling industry a little
[15:57] <nixternal> well, I have 27 days to decide if I am going to rejoin the military
[15:57] <nixternal> if I don't have a job by then, I just might be off, back in the Navy again
[15:57] <nixternal> cuz on the 29th, I turn 35 which means no more joining/rejoining the military
[15:57] <jjesse> what would you do in the navy this time?
[15:57] <seele> nixternal: how long do you sign up for? 6 years?
[15:58] <nixternal> same thing
[15:58] <nixternal> seele: probably 10 years
[15:58]  * jjesse doesn't remember last time
[15:58] <ScottK> nixternal: National guard will take you up to 44.
[15:58] <jjesse> wow 10 years is a long time
[15:58] <nixternal> Gunner's Mate/Combat Engineer/Blow stuff up
[15:58] <jjesse> ooo cool
[15:58] <nixternal> ScottK: forget the National Guard, GO NAVY!
[15:58] <ScottK> Just saying.
[15:58] <seele> you know what they say about those navy guys..
[15:58] <seele> ScottK: you were in the navy right?
[15:58] <nixternal> I am senior enlisted so ship duty is calling me :)
[15:59]  * seele 's brother is in Norfolk right now
[15:59] <ScottK> seele: Yes.
[15:59] <nixternal> imagine all of the liberty I get now pulling into a port :)
[15:59] <nixternal> seele: that's probably where I would get stationed if I went through with this
[15:59] <nixternal> so, if you want to hire me, you have 27 days, otherwise I might be gone :)
[15:59] <seele> lol
[16:00]  * ScottK looks for kwwii to make countdown artwork.
[16:00] <nixternal> blasting the Village People the entire ride to Norfolk!
[16:00] <nixternal> hahahaha
[16:00] <ScottK> ;-)
[16:00] <nixternal> that was good
[16:08]  * ScottK does $WORK while pimlibs builds ....
[16:10] <pkt> kdepimlibs, kdelibs-experimental and kdebase-workspace built fine here
[16:11] <pkt> now building kdebase-runtime
[16:22] <nixternal> MC meetings will drain your life blood
[16:24]  * ScottK didn't need to join to guess that one.
[16:29] <ScottK> pimlibs fix uploaded.  Thanks again pkt.
[16:30] <maco> seele, should kmail say "canceled" instead of "aborted"?
[16:30] <maco> when you hit the "-" button on an imap sync
[16:31] <seele> maco: Canceled. The tooltip even says "Cancel this operation"
[16:32] <maco> really?
[16:32]  * maco tries it
[16:32] <seele> unless it is inconsistent and it actually says aborted somewhere
[16:32] <maco> hey it does
[16:32] <seele> hehe
[16:32] <lex79> ScottK: I need more space in ppa staging
[16:33] <maco> seele, should i just do it in kde's svn and send it upstream?
[16:33] <ScottK> lex79: Is there stuff in the the PPA that's already in Ubuntu and can be deleted?
[16:33] <maco> oy, im forgetting how to use svn
[16:33] <lex79> ScottK: I'm uploading to stage the backport. so I think no
[16:34] <ScottK> Oh.
[16:34] <lex79> before uploading to ppa backport I should uploading to staging for test install
[16:35] <lex79> and if testbuild fine I can copy the packages to ppa backport
[16:36] <pkt> kdebase-runtime had some problems with a shutdown dialog svgz
[16:37] <seele> maco: i think that is probably best.. but if they dont like the changes let me know so i can talk to them
[16:41] <maco> seele, when "abort" is used in an error message to say that its the program giving up, not the user canceling the action, should that also be changed to "cancel"?
[16:42] <seele> maco: no, leave those for now because they might depend on semantics more
[16:42] <seele> i can see developers having a strong argument against a technical description compared to an interactive UI element
[16:42] <neversfelde> lex79: no bindings? :(
[16:42] <ScottK> It looks like a lot of stuff was blocked on kdepimlibs, so we should make progress soon.
[16:42] <lex79> nope
[16:43] <maco> seele, alrighty
[16:43] <lex79> neversfelde: python kde4 was empty
[16:43] <neversfelde> empty?
[16:44] <lex79> yeah, binary package was empty :)
[16:44] <pkt> ouch
[16:44] <lex79> in jaunty, not in karmic :)
[16:44] <pkt> oh
[16:45] <lex79> same issue last time with 4.2.90, but doesn't matter now ;)
[16:45] <pkt> python bindings seem the most mature this time
[16:45] <pkt> although the ruby ones seem nice, too
[16:45] <ScottK> In karmic bindings is waiting on pimlibs.  If there are bindings changes needed in karmic, please let me know soon.
[16:45] <pkt> kdebase-runtime built fine ?
[16:45] <lex79> ScottK: what shoul I do with ppa ? :(
[16:46] <ScottK> lex79: No idea.  I've never had to ask for more space.  I think ask in #launchpad.
[16:46] <lex79> ok
[16:46] <ScottK> pkt: Didn't look at runtime yet.
[16:46] <pkt> lex79: yes, the typical way is via a question
[16:47] <pkt> here is mine: https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/72243
[16:48] <ScottK> No one uploaded kdegraphics.
[16:48] <pkt> ScottK: kdebase-runtime didn't want to build here, just fyi
[16:49] <ScottK> Oh dear.
[16:49] <lex79> kdegraphics is in ppa
[16:59] <ScottK> lex79: I'm pulling your packaging from bzr.  I assume that's correct?
[16:59] <lex79> uhmm..I don't remember, can you see in ppa k-n ?
[16:59] <lex79> before to see bzr
[17:00] <ScottK> I've already got it test building.  Would you please check.
[17:00] <ScottK> I can, but it's not convenient and I'm really supposed to be doing $WORK right now.
[17:02] <Daskreech> RC is on it's way to karmic?
[17:03] <pkt> yeah, it is
[17:03] <pkt> it is almost there actually
[17:04] <lex79> ScottK: I'm checking, just a moment
[17:04] <ScottK> Thanks
[17:07] <neversfelde> staging ppa is full?
[17:09] <lex79> ScottK: go
[17:09] <lex79> ppa k-n == bzr
[17:09] <lex79> neversfelde: yes , I requested more space -> 5GB
[17:10] <lex79> :)
[17:10] <neversfelde> ok, I'll upload kdetoys to ninja then
[17:16] <pkt> launchpad probably needs a "transitions" feature like debian has
[17:21] <pkt> kdebase-workspace-bin: Depends: x11-xserver-utils but it is not going to be installed
[17:22] <pkt> it seems x11-server-utils is not even in the archive
[17:22] <pkt> akonadi-server, x11-utils and kdepim-runtime are also uninstallable atm
[17:23] <pkt> x11-utils depends on libxxf8xdga1
[17:23] <pkt> which isn't in the archive
[17:23] <pkt> shouldn't this dependency be just dropped? nobody uses DGA anymore
[17:29] <pkt> oops that was incorrect. x11-utils works now
[17:36] <pkt> what is kdepim-runtime?
[17:41] <Sime> lex79: what is the same issue with the bindings?
[17:45] <pkt> in the jaunty backport the python kde4 bindings binary package turned out empty :)
[17:45] <ScottK> Sime: I think it's just packaging issues.
[17:45] <Sime> ScottK: ok, thanks.
[17:45] <pkt> but in karmic it worked, so
[17:46] <ScottK> lex79: kdegraphics uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[17:46] <pkt> ScottK: have you seen the problem with kdepim-runtime?
[17:47] <pkt> plasma-widgets-workspace depends on kdepim-runtime
[17:47] <pkt> but such a package doesn't seem to exist
[17:48] <ScottK> I didn't look at it yet.
[17:48] <ScottK> I think it's new for 4.3
[17:48] <pkt> yeah, I saw something about putting what akonadi needs there or something
[17:49] <pkt> but I don't know anything more :(
[17:58] <ScottK> It's in the New queue.
[18:01] <lex79> kdeartwork fixed
[18:03] <neversfelde> gnarf, I have to leave again, dunno when I am back. So if kdeutils and kdetoys is a show stopper someone else have to do the jaunty packages. sorry
[18:04] <lex79> neversfelde: ok
[18:11]  * ScottK throws up his hands.
[18:11] <ScottK> No COPYING file in kdepim-runtime
[18:11] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^
[18:11] <lex79> fantastic
[18:14] <lex79> ScottK: copyng file for akonadi?
[18:14] <ScottK> The kdepim-runtime package
[18:15] <lex79> akonadi-kde now is in kdepim-runtime
[18:15] <lex79> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdepim/akonadi/
[18:15] <pkt> yeah the same as akonadi should apply
[18:15] <lex79> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdepim/akonadi/COPYING?revision=989088&view=markup
[18:16] <ScottK> It's not in the tarball
[18:17] <ScottK> Looks like it was added after.
[18:17] <lex79> I know but I think  you can repackage the tarball
[18:17] <lex79> no?
[18:18] <ScottK> I can.
[18:18] <ScottK> It wasn't how I planned on spending my afternoon.
[18:19] <pkt> it would take a whole afternoon?
[18:19] <lex79> ahah :) I guess
[18:19] <ScottK> No.
[18:19] <ScottK> I'm already way over my Kubuntu time budget for today.
[18:20] <pkt> can I help?
[18:20] <ScottK> lex79: Can you put a package together?
[18:21] <lex79> I should repackage the tarball ?
[18:21] <ScottK> lex79: Yes.
[18:21] <lex79> ok, I will upload to ppa k-n
[18:22] <pkt> the k-n ppa is the "kubuntu-ninjas" private inaccessible thing?
[18:22] <lex79> this evening, in my utc I mean :)
[18:22] <lex79> pkt: yep
[18:22] <ScottK> lex79: No need to do it in the private repo anymore.
[18:22] <pkt> oh, I see
[18:22] <ScottK> Do it somewhere public so I can grab it more easily.
[18:23] <lex79> uhm..ok in my ppa so
[18:23] <ScottK> pkt: We get tarballs from upstream pre-release to work on packaging on the condition we don't make them public until release day.
[18:23] <ScottK> Not that you can tell from today's mess.
[18:23] <pkt> hehe, it is not that bad :)
[18:23] <pkt> wait to see fedora
[18:24] <pkt> recompiling glibc just to get rpm to work
[18:24] <ScottK> lex79: dgetlp http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28565081/kdepim-runtime_4.2.95-0ubuntu1.dsc to get the existing package.
[18:24] <lex79> ScottK: ok thanks, I poke you when is done
[18:53] <pkt> yey! with kdepim-runtime kubuntu-desktop finally becomes installable
[18:53] <refic> \o/
[18:56] <Daskreech> So update?
[18:57] <pkt> not yet
[18:58] <pkt> I just managed to build what's needed locally here
[18:58] <pkt> you still have to wait for proper packages to be uploaded, compiled etc
[18:58] <pkt> at least there doesn't seem to be any more ftbs-type bugs :)
[18:59] <ScottK> kdegames not even uploaded ....
[18:59] <ScottK> Unless it's in New
[18:59]  * ScottK looks
[19:00] <ScottK> Nope
[19:01] <pkt> well, at least nothing depends on kdegames
[19:01] <ScottK> Yeah, the node packages (the ones that other ones depend on) are all building now.
[19:01] <pkt> these are the ones I care about mostly :)
[19:02] <ScottK> pim won't be installable until we get -runtime licensing sorted out.
[19:09] <ScottK> lex79: I'm pushing kdegames into the archive now (it's a big tarball, so it will take a while).
[19:11]  * ScottK loves fat pipes.  52MB uploaded already.
[19:51] <jjesse> anyone having crazy problems w/ plasma crashing on kde 4.2.90?
[19:52] <maco> jjesse, how long has 4.2.90 been karmic's version?
[19:53] <maco> if its been there a few weeks, then yeah, ive had it crash a few times
[19:53] <jjesse> maco: i'm running jaunty
[19:53] <maco> oh
[19:53] <jjesse> it seems to crash a lot
[19:53] <jjesse> my display will get fuzzy and then crash
[19:53] <divan> jjesse: I noticed plasma crashes consistently where a new network interface is brought up or lost.
[19:53] <jjesse> divan: agreed on that
[19:53] <maco> i dont have that problem
[19:54] <divan> perhaps its a known bug
[19:54] <maco> maybe nm is sending different errors and its having trouble interpretting them?
[19:54] <divan> will see if jaunty 4.2.95 fixes it - which is nowhere to be found (for the impatient)
[19:54] <jjesse> i reported a bug last night on bugs.kde.org where browsing smb shares was causing crashes and it was moved as a duplicate
[19:54] <jjesse> 4.2.95 is the one that was just announced as being available? release candidate or something like that?
[19:56] <divan> yip kde 4.3.0 rc 1 (as oppose to beta2) so that should hopefully address quite a few bugs. Its apparently available for karmic but not anywhere for jaunty yet
[19:58] <ScottK> lex79: I see kdepim 4.2.95a in KN ppa and an svn snapshot in bzr.  Which is it (neither have been uploaded)?
[19:59] <ScottK> jjesse: RC packages are in progress.
[20:01] <DreadKnight> RC1 being packaged or what?
[20:01] <divan> as per [20:59] <ScottK> jjesse: RC packages are in progress.
[20:01] <DreadKnight> awesome
[20:01] <DreadKnight> thanks
[20:01] <DreadKnight> :)
[20:01] <divan> :)
[20:05] <jjesse> ScottK: thanks for the update, wasn't trying to be pushy, just have a plamsa crash problem :(
[20:06] <ScottK> We're mostly waiting on buildd's now.
[20:12]  * ScottK predicts sometime tomorrow before all the bits get done since I'm the onlyl core-dev around it seems.
[20:18] <divan> ScottK: sorry - thanks for the work :)
[20:23] <ScottK> lex79: I went with 95a on pim
[20:25] <ScottK> So far I think it's all uploaded.  Just need the fixed pim-runtime tarball.
[20:30] <Sime> this is for kubuntu-ppa backports?
[20:43]  * mgraesslin hopes he will be able to update before travelling to Gran Canaria :-)
[20:44] <lex79> ScottK: I'm here now
[20:44] <lex79> so, is it all right?
[20:51]  * Sime and mgraesslin hope that we will be able to update before travelling to Gran Canaria :-]
[20:52] <mgraesslin> or we have to ignore all those warnings on stagign website and install those packages :-P
[20:53] <lex79> RC will be soon in backport ppa
[20:58] <mgraesslin> \o/
[20:59] <lex79> when will be ready ;)
[21:00] <mgraesslin> sure
[21:00] <mgraesslin> better a little bit later than broken packages
[21:01] <lex79> mgraesslin: yes
[21:08] <Riddell> hola
[21:08] <Riddell> how's RC 1?
[21:16] <lex79> Riddell: I need more space in staging !!!
[21:17] <Riddell> lex79: fooey.  you need to ask a question on answer.launchpad.net/soyuz or something
[21:17] <maco> hiya Riddell
[21:18] <lex79> Riddell: it is done...but launchpad guys are slow. I'm the fastest here :D
[21:19] <Riddell> lex79: link?
[21:20] <lex79> Riddell: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/75823
[21:23] <lex79> I go to dinner now :P
[21:46] <Riddell> lex79: granted!
[22:28] <Quintasan> hi
[22:31] <Monika|K> hi
[22:33] <refic> hi
[23:15] <lex79> Riddell: thanks
[23:16] <Riddell> gran...canaria....internet...like...treaclre
[23:16] <lex79> :)
[23:28] <lex79> Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdepim/akonadi/
[23:28] <lex79> COPYING and COPYING.LIB are copying files for kdepim-runtime?
[23:29] <ScottK-palm> Would someone please look at kdebase-runtime FTBFS on i386n
[23:29] <ScottK-palm> lex79: yes
[23:29] <lex79> ok
[23:30] <Riddell> I put COPYING in SVN
[23:30] <Riddell> so don't worry about it
[23:31] <ScottK-palm> Someone accepted the source, so we are on our way.
[23:32] <Riddell> kdebase-runtime/4:4.2.95-0ubuntu2 is compiled on i386
[23:33] <ScottK-palm> OK.  I guess I was looking at the wrong one.
[23:33] <lex79> kdeplasma-addons is ftbs in all arch
[23:34] <ScottK-palm> Launchpad on my phone is even more painful than normal.
[23:34] <ScottK-palm> lex79 it needs almost everything else built first.
[23:35] <lex79> true, I see now the buildlog
[23:35] <ScottK-palm> Look at the dependency chart on the wiki.
[23:36] <lex79> yeah
[23:37]  * ScottK-palm goes back to driving.
[23:37] <lex79> lol
[23:37] <Riddell> kdeadmin kdeedu kdeutils  kdetoys waiting on kdebase-runtime
[23:37] <lex79> ok
[23:38] <Riddell> (on karmic)
[23:38] <Riddell> kdepim waiting on kdepim-runtime to get published
[23:38] <Riddell> otherwise I think karmic is good
[23:39] <Riddell> how's jaunty?
[23:39] <lex79> I almost finished
[23:41] <lex79> Tomorrow afternoon I can copy to backports, before I want do a testbuild
[23:42] <lex79> erm testinstall
[23:42] <lex79> :)