| === cprov1 is now known as cprov | ||
| noodles775 | me (just to get in early) | 15:00 |
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| barry | #startmeeting | 15:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is barry. | 15:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 15:00 |
| barry | hello everyone and welcome to this week's ameu meeting. who's here today? | 15:00 |
| rockstar | ni | 15:00 |
| adeuring | me | 15:00 |
| noodles775 | yup | 15:00 |
| henninge | me | 15:00 |
| intellectronica | אני | 15:00 |
| sinzui | me | 15:00 |
| deryck | me | 15:00 |
| gmb | me | 15:00 |
| barry | good one intellectronica :) | 15:00 |
| * gmb keeps needing to remind himself that it's not a problem with X when intellectronica has his keyboard in Hebrew mode. | 15:01 | |
| cprov | me | 15:01 |
| danilos | me | 15:01 |
| mars | me | 15:01 |
| leonardr | me | 15:01 |
| bac | me | 15:02 |
| mars | barry, flacoste sends his apologies, he is celebrating Canada's birthday today | 15:02 |
| barry | mars: thanks | 15:02 |
| barry | allenap: ping | 15:03 |
| barry | bigjools: ping | 15:03 |
| BjornT | me | 15:03 |
| mars | barry, and gary is off sick | 15:03 |
| barry | BjornT: ping | 15:03 |
| barry | mars: k, thanks | 15:03 |
| allenap | me | 15:03 |
| barry | EdwinGrubbs: ping | 15:03 |
| EdwinGrubbs | me | 15:04 |
| barry | [TOPIC] agenda | 15:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: agenda | 15:04 |
| barry | * Roll call | 15:04 |
| barry | * Action items | 15:04 |
| barry | * Mentoring update | 15:04 |
| barry | * jtv: if code catches {{{Exception}}}, make sure {{{KeyboardInterrupt}}} and {{{SystemExit}}} are not swallowed. | 15:04 |
| barry | * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda) | 15:04 |
| barry | [TOPIC] action items | 15:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: action items | 15:04 |
| barry | * intellectronica to email list about higher JS branch limits | 15:04 |
| intellectronica | sorry, i didn't | 15:05 |
| barry | k | 15:05 |
| barry | [TOPIC] mentoring update | 15:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: mentoring update | 15:05 |
| barry | first, let's welcome leonardr to our cabal! | 15:05 |
| leonardr | thanks, barry | 15:06 |
| rockstar | leonardr did great last week. He'll be graduating in no time. | 15:06 |
| gmb | barry: And deryck | 15:06 |
| barry | gmb: you type faster than me :) | 15:06 |
| gmb | :) | 15:06 |
| barry | and deryck | 15:06 |
| jtv1 | me | 15:06 |
| henninge | jtv1: you're not deryck | 15:06 |
| bigjools | me, sorry | 15:07 |
| === jtv1 is now known as jtv | ||
| barry | also, noodles775 you're graduated! cprov has nothing but glowing reports. congratulations | 15:07 |
| noodles775 | great! Thanks barry! | 15:07 |
| cprov | noodles775: congrats! | 15:07 |
| danilos | woohoo, noodles775 congratulations! | 15:07 |
| henninge | noodles775: Glückwunsch! | 15:07 |
| noodles775 | And thanks cprov for all the time you spend helping me :) | 15:07 |
| intellectronica | congratulations noodles775! | 15:08 |
| noodles775 | Cheers everyone :) | 15:08 |
| bigjools | felicitats | 15:08 |
| jtv | congratulations noodles775 | 15:08 |
| barry | noodles775: you can stay on thursdays/euros or switch to monday or friday if you want. you're call and just ping me after the meeting if you want to rearrange your schedule | 15:08 |
| noodles775 | barry: will do, thanks. | 15:09 |
| barry | does anybody have any other mentoring items today? | 15:09 |
| barry | k, moving on... | 15:09 |
| barry | [TOPIC] * jtv: if code catches {{{Exception}}}, make sure {{{KeyboardInterrupt}}} and {{{SystemExit}}} are not swallowed. | 15:09 |
| MootBot | New Topic: * jtv: if code catches {{{Exception}}}, make sure {{{KeyboardInterrupt}}} and {{{SystemExit}}} are not swallowed. | 15:09 |
| barry | jtv: this will go away in python 2.5 :) | 15:10 |
| jtv | Hmm, that wiki markup doesn't look half as good on irc | 15:10 |
| jtv | barry: are we there yet? :-) | 15:10 |
| * barry looks to flacoste and gary... damn! | 15:10 | |
| mars | jtv, barry, why not add a lint tool warning for "catch Exception"? | 15:10 |
| jtv | There is one, actually. But it's not clear what it wants you to do. | 15:11 |
| mars | jtv, ah, fix the string it spits back at you? | 15:11 |
| jtv | But yes, corollary: once we've upgraded, maybe that should go away :-) | 15:11 |
| barry | does anybody not know what we're talking about here? | 15:11 |
| mars | saying "This is bad" is one thing, saying "This is bad, ensure foobar" is another | 15:11 |
| jtv | mars: right, it just notes that you're catching Exception. Which isn't the surprising part. | 15:11 |
| mars | :) | 15:11 |
| intellectronica | is there an easy, or at least obvious, way to do that? | 15:12 |
| intellectronica | or should you simply never catch Exception? | 15:12 |
| barry | intellectronica: until py2.5, you need separate except (KeyboardInterrupt, SystemExit) clause | 15:12 |
| barry | intellectronica: catching Exception is way better than a bare except (usually) | 15:12 |
| barry | intellectronica: except that in py2.4, "except Exception" catches KI and SE exceptions too | 15:13 |
| barry | in 2.5 the exception hierarchy was rearranged so that KI and SE are siblings of Exception, not children | 15:13 |
| barry | BaseException is the mother of all exceptions, and it rarely needs to be caught | 15:13 |
| intellectronica | so, except KI: raise \n except SE: raise \n except Exception: stuff... ? | 15:13 |
| barry | intellectronica: yep, or except (KI, SE): raise | 15:14 |
| bigjools | can we just upgrade Python already ... | 15:14 |
| barry | bigjools: yes please | 15:14 |
| sinzui | We need more eggs I think | 15:14 |
| jtv | bigjools: can you have it ready by Monday? | 15:14 |
| adeuring | i think an "except Exception" is in most cases bad as well:, unless you log an OOPS | 15:14 |
| bigjools | jtv: I'll get my wife to do it | 15:14 |
| gmb | adeuring: +1 | 15:14 |
| * barry hopes we do it before the open source release | 15:15 | |
| cprov | adeuring: right, I think that's the rule. | 15:15 |
| rockstar | adeuring, +1 | 15:15 |
| jtv | it's right, but we have a few scripts that don't do that. | 15:15 |
| barry | adeuring: certainly, if you as a reviewer see "except Exception" or <gasp> bare-except, you should ask lots of questions | 15:15 |
| adeuring | barry: right; but it can't hurt to update the wiki page ;) | 15:16 |
| jtv | barry: right, that is the real point here. | 15:16 |
| barry | adeuring: sure. would you or jtv like to take that action? | 15:17 |
| adeuring | barry: I'll do it | 15:17 |
| barry | adeuring: thanks | 15:17 |
| * jtv bows to adeuring who beat him to the | 15:17 | |
| jtv | *ow! | 15:17 |
| barry | [ACTION] adeuring to update wiki to describe 'except Exception' | 15:17 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: adeuring to update wiki to describe 'except Exception' | 15:17 |
| barry | adeuring: please also do include info on KI and SE, and that py2.5 changes things | 15:18 |
| barry | [TOPIC] peanut gallery | 15:18 |
| MootBot | New Topic: peanut gallery | 15:18 |
| adeuring | barry: I'm already wrote a note about that ;) | 15:18 |
| barry | that's everything on the agenda, does anybody have any other topics today? | 15:18 |
| barry | adeuring: thanks :) | 15:18 |
| barry | 5 | 15:19 |
| barry | 4 | 15:19 |
| mars | barry, me | 15:20 |
| barry | mars: go ahead | 15:20 |
| mars | so yesterday we had an issue with unescaped HTML data appearing in the browser | 15:20 |
| mars | the fix was to remove a "structure foo" statement from the TAL template | 15:21 |
| mars | given that the TAL "structure" statment is potentially dangerous, should it raise a lint warning? | 15:21 |
| intellectronica | mars: no, it's used legitimately way too often | 15:22 |
| danilos | intellectronica: +1 | 15:22 |
| bac | intellectronica: +1 | 15:22 |
| mars | ok | 15:22 |
| mars | barry, that's all then :) | 15:22 |
| barry | mars: thanks | 15:22 |
| barry | anything else guys? | 15:22 |
| barry | 5 | 15:23 |
| jtv | oh come on already, we've been through that! | 15:23 |
| barry | 4 | 15:23 |
| barry | 3 | 15:23 |
| barry | 2 | 15:23 |
| barry | 1 | 15:23 |
| barry | #endmeeting | 15:23 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 09:23. | 15:23 |
| jtv | thanks barry :) | 15:23 |
| barry | thanks everythone | 15:23 |
| intellectronica | cheers barry | 15:23 |
| === EdwinGrubbs_ is now known as EdwinGrubbs | ||
| === Edwin is now known as Guest51106 | ||
| barry | #startmeeting | 23:29 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 17:29. The chair is barry. | 23:29 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 23:29 |
| barry | thumper, mwhudson hi | 23:29 |
| thumper | hi | 23:30 |
| barry | mwhudson: wanted to speed through today's meeting, so shall we start with a recap of ameu? | 23:31 |
| barry | noodle graduates, deryck and leonardr are new mentats | 23:31 |
| thumper | barry: yep, I ready the backlog :) | 23:32 |
| barry | thumper: ah cool. i don't need to explain "except Exception" then :) | 23:32 |
| thumper | not to me | 23:32 |
| barry | i'm sure not to mwhudson either | 23:32 |
| barry | other than that. i have nothing on my list. do you or mwhudson have anything? | 23:33 |
| thumper | one thing | 23:33 |
| thumper | the other day stub landed a method to help printing unicode in doctests | 23:33 |
| * thumper looks for the method | 23:33 | |
| thumper | hmm... | 23:34 |
| thumper | I recall a commit flying past, but I can't see it in pages.py | 23:34 |
| barry | it rings a vague memory | 23:35 |
| * thumper checks loggerhead | 23:35 | |
| mwhudson | hi oops sorry | 23:36 |
| thumper | hmm, can't find it right now | 23:36 |
| mwhudson | barry: what was it about except Exception? | 23:36 |
| mwhudson | oh right | 23:37 |
| * mwhudson read enough backscroll | 23:37 | |
| thumper | r8714 | 23:37 |
| barry | mwhudson: cool | 23:37 |
| thumper | added to doctest but not pages | 23:37 |
| barry | that always drives me crazy that they have different globs | 23:38 |
| thumper | a bug should be filed :) | 23:38 |
| thumper | also it needs to move to lp.testing | 23:39 |
| barry | thumper: jfdi man! | 23:39 |
| mwhudson | barry: i heard a rumour that all javascript changes are supposed to be QAed before landing or something | 23:39 |
| mwhudson | barry: do you know anything about that? | 23:39 |
| barry | mwhudson: we talked about that on the list a few weeks ago, but i don't know that anybody has actually done that | 23:40 |
| mwhudson | ok | 23:40 |
| mwhudson | over this side of the world it sometimes seems like decisions on process get made but that noone tells us :) | 23:41 |
| barry | mwhudson: we only do that when we don't follow those decisions ourselves :) | 23:41 |
| barry | but yeah, i hear ya. hopefully these meetings can help that | 23:42 |
| barry | anything else guys? | 23:42 |
| thumper | nope | 23:43 |
| mwhudson | barry: i guess a single place on the wiki to go and look this sort of thing up would be good | 23:43 |
| mwhudson | barry: maybe there is one already! | 23:43 |
| mwhudson | barry: nothing else | 23:43 |
| barry | mwhudson: agreed! it should be here if anywhere: https://dev.launchpad.net/Reviews | 23:44 |
| barry | cool. thanks guys | 23:44 |
| barry | #endmeeting | 23:44 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 17:44. | 23:44 |
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| thumper | mwhudson: heh | 23:46 |
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