[00:08] <DanaG> interesting: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-acpi/msg22931.html
[00:13] <maxb> desiorous !?
[00:19] <instructor_> maxb: they leave a lot to be desired ?
[00:32] <yofel> ls
[00:32] <yofel> -.-
[00:32] <yofel> should go to bed...
[02:02] <drs305> Hey billybigrigger
[02:04] <nhasian> !info empathy
[02:16] <kenyon> just installed karmic and activated nvidia restricted driver. upon reboot it says nvidia module not found. worked fine on this machine with jaunty.
[02:17] <giaco> the current version ( 7.4 ) of libgl1-mesa-dri and libgl1-mesa-glx is broken for my graphic card ( 965GM ) at the moment I'm forcing the installation of the older version ( 7.3) with dpkg -i, but obviously apt-get is complaining about that. How can I upgrade this package ( maybe compiling it ) in a ubuntu fashion way?
[02:19] <kenyon> opting to install grub2 during a karmic server install fails. installing grub2 during a desktop install works. need to investigate more.
[02:24] <Protector1981> mon
[02:24] <Protector1981> moin
[02:24] <Protector1981> anyone has problems with intel graphic and x-servers?
[02:26] <giaco> Protector1981, me
[02:26] <jacob> a little slower than usual for me today, but working fine in general
[02:26] <Protector1981> :( gives a workaround for this problem?
[02:27] <jacob> Protector1981: depends, what problem are you having?
[02:29] <Protector1981> Warning: Could not generate /etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe for vesa driver
[02:29] <Protector1981> this is the complete errormessage
[02:29] <Protector1981> And then: X-Server is now deactivated. Restart GDM when its correctly configured
[02:30] <jacob> hmm. haven't seen that yet.. granted I haven't done a full reboot in a few days
[02:31] <Protector1981> have kernel bootoption: i915.modeset=0 is that the problem?
[02:32] <jacob> Protector1981: it's possible, were you having problems with kernel modesetting to begin with?
[02:32] <Protector1981> befor update display is freezing in blackscreen...then i have set mode and fully reboot...but NOW oO
[02:32] <Protector1981> ok wait..i testing
[02:34] <Protector1981> ok, yes...without i915.modeset=0 screen is freezing in a black display
[02:35] <jacob> Protector1981: this is a shot in the dark, but could you run `aptitude show libglu1-mesa | grep Version` and tell me what version appears?
[02:36] <Protector1981> mom
[02:36] <Protector1981> 7.5~rc4-1ubuntu2
[02:37] <jacob> ok.. my guess is there's a problem with that or something related. (still using 7.4.1 here).
[02:39] <jacob> other than trying to revert some packages, I can't think of many ideas
[02:39] <Sarvatt> update your system, karmic was unbootable for a few hours earlier because of an xorg update..
[02:40] <Protector1981> unbootable is not correct :D but no x-server ;)
[02:40] <Protector1981> my luck that a using wicd :D then i have WLAN on shell
[02:40] <Sarvatt> gdm is trying to start X from the wrong location
[02:41] <Protector1981> can manually start x?
[02:42] <RAOF> Protector1981: Just FYI, I also have WLAN on shell with NetworkManager.
[02:42] <Protector1981> hmm when i type X then i have a black screen lol :D
[02:42] <Protector1981> nice
[04:06] <oldude67> any one know why my system is giving me an error when updating because of a screen profile?
[04:08] <oldude67> dpkg --configure -a gives error of dpkg: error processing screen-profiles
[04:22] <oldude67> http://paste.ubuntu.com/207286/ anyone else get this error ?
[04:33] <oldude67> is there a work around on this error ?http://paste.ubuntu.com/207286/
[04:43] <billybigrigger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/207286/
[05:03] <pace_t_zulu> is it a known issue that keyboard hotkeys for laptops are currently broken in karmic?
[05:04] <Protector1981> no...works on my laptop
[05:04] <pace_t_zulu> sound hotkeys work on my laptop but brightness keys do not
[05:04] <Protector1981> all hotkeys works on my laptop ;)
[05:06] <Protector1981> lol....shell is flickering when i press downkey
[05:07] <DanaG> grr, damned ext4.
[05:07] <DanaG> You know, you'd think a journal would let it recover from unexpected lockups... but nope, instead the journal just aborts.
[05:07] <Protector1981> crash?
[05:07] <DanaG> EVERY damned time I get a hard lockup... I have to run a full, long fsck, or I get a read-only mount.
[05:08] <Protector1981> should ext 4 not comes with optimized journaling?
[05:09] <DanaG> Granted, I have it set to run the data through the journal.... but it seems there's really no user-transparent fault-tolerance after all.  Grr.
[05:10] <DanaG> If I let it try to boot normally... /home becomes read-only as the journal aborts.
[05:18] <akio> I can't believe the Pirate Bay finally bit the dust. I will miss it.
[05:19] <pace_t_zulu> akio, agreed
[05:21] <pace_t_zulu> akio, yet there is no mention of it at the front page of thepiratebay.org
[05:21] <akio> yes there is
[05:21] <akio> indirectly
[05:21] <akio> but this is off topic, I am however using Karmic, the UNR version...
[05:22] <akio> Which is not as fast as Moblin but It definitely inherited the KMS and 10% battery increase.
[05:25] <akio> ping!
[05:25] <akio> !ping
[05:27] <pace_t_zulu> akio, i see no mention
[05:27] <akio> hover over the image
[05:27] <akio> click
[05:28] <akio> then read between the lines
[05:28] <akio> they are blogging like a dying animal
[05:28] <akio> if dying animals could blog that is
[05:29] <akio> then read the news about it
[05:31] <pace_t_zulu> akio, i already knew the news
[05:31] <akio> so you are implying that they are not sentenced?
[05:32] <akio> pardon me, it has been a long day
[05:34] <akio> it isn't stated plainly but it was all I needed to figure it out, I knew they were going down I just didn't know it was final. That blog post implied it, I then confirmed it.
[05:36] <DanaG> ugh, is it just me... or did ccsm become totally useless?
[05:37] <DanaG> Now, instead of having nice dropdown lists.... it has text entry fields!
[05:39] <DanaG> example:
[05:39] <DanaG> openeffects: animation: Glide 1, animation:Fade, animation:Fade         opendurations: 200, 150, 150.  openmatches: long,hideous,strings
[05:39] <DanaG> What happened to CCSM?  Somebody destroyed it!
[05:40] <crdlb> DanaG: that's not intentional
[05:40] <crdlb> the way the animation settings are stored has changed (from an int enumeration to a string), but the UI should not
[05:41] <crdlb> but that was in jaunty too
[05:43] <DanaG> hmm, how do I fix ccsm, then?
[05:44] <DanaG> Reverting to the default profile makes compiz not suck-ass slow.... but then I can't do the "try each setting until it works again" method until I have a sane UI back.
[05:45] <crdlb> you're using all official packages, right?
[05:45] <DanaG> yeah, I think I am.
[05:46] <DanaG> dpkg -l | grep compiz:    http://pastebin.com/f5a33c1fa
[05:48] <DanaG> oh, and on R100, compiz somehow makes... something.... take 80% CPU.
[05:48] <crdlb> just to verify, command -v ccsm ?
[05:48] <DanaG> /usr/bin/ccsm
[05:49] <crdlb> and python -c "import compizconfig; print compizconfig.__file__"
[05:49] <DanaG> /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/compizconfig.so
[05:50] <DanaG> oh, and video card is an RV200, by the way.
[05:50] <crdlb> heh, really?
[05:50] <DanaG> Yeah.
[05:51]  * crdlb has been using one of those for years
[05:51] <DanaG> I've just recently revived my old desktop, that's been in the closet for like 4 years.
[05:51] <DanaG> Though it used to have a 9800 Pro.  I lent that to one of my friends so he could play Oblivion on something better than an FX5600.
[05:52] <crdlb> oh, ccsm isn't even showing the TreeView?
[05:53] <DanaG> Can't say I know what you mean by that.
[05:53] <crdlb> normally it uses a TreeView widget to display setting lists, such as animation effects
[05:53] <DanaG> Nope, it's just using listboxes.
[05:54] <DanaG> Oh, and there's only one tab for "animation": General
[05:54] <DanaG> Lemme' try purging and reinstalling everything compiz.
[05:54] <crdlb> ok, what about the Outputs setting in General Options > Display settings?
[05:55] <DanaG> Text list.  640x480+0+0 is only entry.
[05:55] <crdlb> but it's a list with a button to add another row?
[05:55] <DanaG> yeah.
[05:56] <crdlb> well, if this is a packaging problem, somebody else will notice :)
[05:56] <DanaG> I'm going to purge everything compiz, as well as removing all my custom installed plugins.
[06:02] <DanaG> argh, pata_amd is giving me lots of interrupts.
[06:02] <DanaG> oh, and something funny: Silicon Image chips are not SiL3112 and such... they're SiI
[06:02] <DanaG> that is, "sii" with second 'i' caps.
[06:06] <DanaG> nope, still le' broken.
[06:09] <DanaG> hmm, is compiz supposed to use indirect rendering on radeon?
[06:14] <DanaG> ugh, now it's being slow and craptacular; I can't figure out why.
[06:16] <DanaG> oh, and things like staticswitcher, show only names:
[06:17] <DanaG> next_button, next_key, prev_button, prev_key, auto_change_vp, window_match
[06:19] <DanaG> so yeah, ccsm is broken.
[06:19] <DanaG> and simple-ccsm doesn't even start.  =P
[06:20] <DanaG> What's the correct name of magic lamp?
[06:21] <DanaG>  ccsm
[06:21] <DanaG> Another CCSM instance already running
[06:22] <DanaG> damn you, I want to run a second one!
[06:22] <DanaG> ccsm --help
[06:22] <DanaG> Another CCSM instance already running
[06:32] <DanaG> hmm, under compiz, my  wallpaper is missing.
[06:36] <DanaG> And I can't figure out why that's happening.
[06:41] <DanaG> hmm, what would make the nautilus window go black like that?
[06:47] <DanaG> what is UP with that?
[06:48] <DanaG> Odd... apparently the texture is just plain too big for the video card.
[06:51] <DanaG> That'd also explain the CPU usage.
[06:51] <DanaG> BUt it worked fine on the livecd!
[06:52] <SwedeMike> how much video memory do you have?
[06:53] <DanaG> 64 megs is all the card has.
[06:53] <DanaG> Oddly enough, my panels are fine.
[06:53] <DanaG> And an app window maximized to fit within those panels (32 pixels top and bottom)... is fine, too.
[06:56] <SwedeMike> it's not easy to find compiz system requirements, so I have no idea if 64 megs is enough. guess it will depend on your screen resolution as well.
[07:15] <DanaG> hmm, might have to up the AGP Aperture Size.
[08:12] <snax> I'm experiencing an interesting problem with gksu after upgrading to Karmic
[08:12] <snax> it works fine when run from a terminal, but does not work when run from the gnome run dialog or a menu launcher
[08:13] <snax> .xsession-errors shows "sudo: sorry, a password is required to run sudo"
[09:09] <dupondje> lol :( firefox-3.5 is in repo's now, and menu item still says 'Beta' :p
[09:09] <dupondje> and its Shiretoko icon :(
[09:12] <ripps> Whenever I'm in a folder with vidoe files, my computer grinds to halt and becomes unresponsive for several minutes. What the hell is going on? Is it the thumbnailer? Shouldn't they have such low prority that it shouldn't interfere with regular usage.
[09:12] <Protector1981> relax dupondje 3.5 Final is coming in the Repos ;)
[09:12] <dupondje> Protector1981: its the final ? :P
[09:13] <Protector1981> Final is out...yes
[09:13] <Protector1981> but not in repos
[09:13] <dupondje> it is
[09:13] <dupondje> Versie: 3.5+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[09:13] <dupondje> thats final my friend ! ;)
[09:13] <Protector1981> ripps: its the thumbnailer, the video is analysing and creating an thumbnail
[09:13] <Protector1981> i think beta? oO
[09:13] <ripps> Hmm... it looks like it might be because of memory leak, After my computer started moving again, nautilus says it's taking up 165 mb, and it's slowly dropping
[09:14] <ripps> Protector1981: the problem is that I can see the thumbnails being created, the computer tends to freeze immediately after making the thumbnails, not during
[09:14] <dupondje> Protector1981: firefox-3.5 (3.5+nobinonly-0ubuntu1) karmic; urgency=low
[09:14] <dupondje>   * New upstream release taken from tag FIREFOX_3_5_RELEASE
[09:16] <Protector1981> wait booting up karmic
[09:17] <Protector1981> must see :)
[09:19] <Protector1981> hmm, has only rc2 in the repos
[09:19] <Protector1981> ok, have german karmic
[09:21] <dupondje> aptitude update ? ;)
[09:21] <Protector1981> omg
[09:21] <Protector1981> ;)
[09:22] <Protector1981> only xulrunner is updated
[09:23] <dupondje> your mirror is slow :P
[09:25] <Protector1981> mainmirror
[09:26] <Protector1981> ok..german mirror -.-
[09:26] <Protector1981> damned
[09:26] <Protector1981> NOW yes, thanks all
[09:53] <Loloftherings> hi all, does anyone know if the nvidia-173 drivers are available in karmic?
[09:56] <RAOF> Loloftherings: Yes.  However, I'm not sure if they actually _build_ against our kernels.
[09:57] <Loloftherings> k, time to upgrade to karmic then :D
[09:57] <Loloftherings> thanks
[10:04] <zniavre> they did not build on vbox installation
[10:05] <zniavre> even on 2.6.30 kernel on my jaunty (with mainline kernel)
[10:05] <Protector1981> without drivers?
[10:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hi there, update-manager seems broken, it does not install updates, known?
[10:37] <mvo> Le-Chuck_ITA: a gksu problem
[10:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> mvo: is it already reported, known etc, so I should do nothing?
[10:37] <mvo> Le-Chuck_ITA: known and being worked on, not sure if there is a bugreport (but I guess there is)
[10:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok :)
[10:38] <dupondje> synaptic is also broken ?
[10:38] <dupondje> I can't start it from the menu, but can start it from console :s
[10:38] <Protector1981> start it from terminal
[10:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dupondje: seems the same thing
[10:38] <mvo> well, gksu
[10:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dupondje: if gksu is broken it won't launch things as root, that's all
[10:39] <dupondje> oh ok :)
[10:39] <Protector1981> sudo synaptic is a alternate, but....not sooooooooooooooooo good for gui apps
[10:39] <Protector1981> ;)
[10:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> as we are in topic of "things that do not work on karmic and may need bug report", does your touchpad tapping work in karmic? it's enabled in the mouse configuration
[10:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but does not work
[10:39] <dupondje> nop
[10:39] <dupondje> its broken :P
[10:40] <Protector1981> touchpad tapping doesnt work? oO
[10:40] <dupondje> no
[10:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> this is causing pain in my finger, let me check if known
[10:41] <Protector1981> touch tapping works on my notebook :D
[10:41] <Protector1981> so
[10:42] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Protector1981: synaptics driver? Can you check?
[10:43] <Protector1981> öhm...command? :(
[10:44] <DanaG> damnit, Karmic won
[10:44] <DanaG> won't suspend!
[10:44] <Protector1981> sry, but...have never checked ;)
[10:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Protector1981: open /var/log/Xorg.0.log and text-search for "touch" :)
[10:45] <Protector1981> wtf....have no Xorg.0.log oO
[10:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/378391
[10:46] <Protector1981> ah
[10:46] <Protector1981> k
[10:46] <Protector1981> lol
[10:46] <Protector1981> at the top
[10:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Protector1981: don't worry, found :)
[10:46] <Protector1981> damn
[10:46] <Protector1981> hm touch not found
[10:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Protector1981: maybe it's being seen as a ps2 mouse
[10:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dunno
[10:47] <Hew> Sound broken in last 24h. Known, or just me?
[10:47] <dupondje> its broken since weeks here
[10:47] <ziroday> Hew: I do remember some discussion in -devel about it
[10:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Protector1981: take a look at the mouse preferences in the System menu
[10:47] <Protector1981> its curious...under windows i MUST install synaptic driver to use touch correctly
[10:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Protector1981: check if you have the touchpad tab and if it work
[10:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> s
[10:47] <hoellp> my sound was broken yesterday, but was easily fixed by adding my user to audio group
[10:47] <Protector1981> so touch tab oO
[10:47] <Protector1981> no
[10:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Protector1981: not so strange. Also webcams and printers require hackering on windows.
[10:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Protector1981: perfect. It works :)
[10:48] <Hew> alsamixer itself is broken so something is seriously wrong
[10:48]  * Hew investigates
[10:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Protector1981: it is not detected as a touchpad, I would report it as a bug. If you also have jaunty check it there too, at worst in a livecd
[10:48] <Protector1981> ok nice :)
[10:48] <DanaG> SUSPEND, DAMN YOU!
[10:48] <DanaG> argh, stupid pm-utils.
[10:49] <Protector1981> check it later in jaunty
[10:49] <Protector1981> ;)
[10:49] <DanaG> /01PulseAudio: line 17: 29478 Quit                    (core dumped) sudo -H -u $i pactl suspend-sink 0 >&/dev/null
[10:49] <DanaG> success.
[10:49] <Protector1981> btw: sorry for my bad english
[10:51] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Protector1981: I am italian
[10:51] <Protector1981> but its hard...my Fujitsu Siemens E4010 with Karmic booting faster as a HP 6720s with jaunty ;)
[10:51] <Protector1981> Le-Chuck_ITA: nice :) Karmic testing World Wide :)
[10:51] <Le-Chuck_ITA> :)
[10:52] <Le-Chuck_ITA> go koala go!
[10:52] <Protector1981> yes yes....koala u win the race
[10:52] <dupondje> (--) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: touchpad found <- mine is seen as Touchpad :) but no tapping :P
[10:52] <DanaG>  /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/99-power-state-fix.sh
[10:52] <DanaG> Argument needs to be true or false
[10:52] <Protector1981> for workaround scrolling up dupondje
[10:52] <hoellp> dupondje: i had to reactivate tapping by hand
[10:53] <hoellp> but the touchpad works well again now
[10:53] <dupondje> workaround is é the bugpage ? :p
[10:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dupondje: that's the bug I linked
[10:53] <hoellp> yep, search launchpad for it
[10:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hoellp: don't be cruel 68 bugs and it's the last one :)
[10:54] <hoellp> rly?
[10:54] <hoellp> i found it as one of the first
[10:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> murphy's laws, which as usual can be explained by saying that the bug is young and therefore not prioritised and default sorting is for priority
[10:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> then you sorted by something else :)
[10:54] <hoellp> probably
[10:54] <dupondje> its a workaround in the bugreport
[10:54] <dupondje> not a fix :)
[10:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/378391
[10:54] <Protector1981> that is that what i say :P
[10:55] <Protector1981> -say +sayed
[10:55] <hoellp> workaround is better than don'twork
[10:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dupondje: why do you expect a bug report to include a fix by default? When they will know a fix, the bug will be colsed
[10:55] <Protector1981> correct? oO
[10:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Workaround is installing jaunty's package?
[10:55] <Protector1981> Sleeping in my car *dance
[10:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hmm
[10:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> this gives me an idea
[10:56] <Protector1981> jaunty ppas in karmic? ouh
[10:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Launchpad should have a way to mark comments as workaround and put them on the right side below attachments.
[10:57] <BUGabundo> mvo: so what's up with GKSU?
[10:57] <Protector1981> not work?
[10:57] <Protector1981> :D
[10:57] <BUGabundo> Protector1981: :)
[10:57] <Protector1981> wtf...
[10:57] <dupondje> we love alpha ! :D
[10:57] <Protector1981> gksu synaptic NOW work? oO
[10:57] <hoellp> sure we do ;)
[10:58] <Protector1981> befor 2min not oO
[10:58] <Protector1981> what the hell
[10:58] <BUGabundo> Protector1981: err try $ sudo synaptic eheh
[10:58]  * BUGabundo checks for updates
[10:58] <Protector1981> gksu synaptic....password
[10:58] <Protector1981> incorrect
[10:58] <hoellp> gksudo works even worse
[10:58] <BUGabundo> ahahah
[10:58] <Protector1981> then i retry
[10:58] <Protector1981> works oO
[10:58] <BUGabundo> as anyone filed a bug on that?
[10:58] <hoellp> *check check*
[10:59] <Protector1981> gksu very instabil ;)
[10:59] <Protector1981> unstable
[10:59] <Protector1981> sorry
[10:59] <Protector1981> :D
[10:59] <hoellp> very deutsch ;)
[11:00] <hoellp> no, i don't think there's a bugreport
[11:01] <hoellp> anyone had more luck?
[11:01] <Protector1981> so guys....i go off ;)
[11:01] <Protector1981> bye
[11:01] <hoellp> bb
[11:03] <hoellp> check Bug #393909 for gksu
[11:03] <dupondje> its only in the menu indeed
[11:03] <dupondje> cause else it works
[11:04] <hoellp> not for me
[11:05] <hoellp> ahh
[11:05] <hoellp> it works if i run a command with sudo before and enter my pw
[11:05] <dupondje> gksu --description /usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop /usr/sbin/synaptic
[11:05] <dupondje> this works in terminal
[11:05] <dupondje> but not from meny
[11:05] <dupondje> menu*
[11:05] <dupondje> wtf :)
[11:05] <hoellp> then i don't get asked and it works in the terminal
[11:05] <hoellp> if the leasetime for my pw is over, gksu stopps working
[11:14] <m_tadeu> hi all...when I click on a link under kopete or kmail, it shows me the followinf message:
[11:14] <m_tadeu> Could not find the program 'arora'
[11:14] <m_tadeu> does anyone know where is this configuration?
[11:15] <hoellp> check the default applications in systemsettings
[11:15] <hoellp> and select a browser you have installed
[11:21] <m_tadeu> ahhh cool...how idiot...was looking on the mime types
[11:21] <m_tadeu> thanks a lot :)
[11:21] <BUGabundo> hey m_tadeu
[11:21] <m_tadeu> hey there
[11:21] <m_tadeu> how's it goin?
[11:21] <BUGabundo> ola Bmw1000c
[11:21] <BUGabundo> err filled with bugs! ehe
[11:22] <Bmw1000c> BUGabundo you mean "hi Bmw1000c "
[11:22] <m_tadeu> I'm quite stable here
[11:22] <BUGabundo> :p
[11:23] <hoellp> stable yes, but full of small bugs
[11:23] <hoellp> just as is to be expected
[11:23] <m_tadeu> well...this is the clean up phase ;)
[11:24] <hoellp> i like it ;)
[11:24] <m_tadeu> hehehe
[11:24] <hoellp> and i love the new gnome-do
[11:24] <hoellp> very slick
[11:25] <m_tadeu> glad to hear gnome is moving again....was a bit stalled for some time
[11:27] <m_tadeu> does anyone know how to set the splash in grub2?
[11:29] <hoellp> i can't read the damn mono rants anymore
[11:29] <hoellp> it's getting totally out of control
[11:30] <BUGabundo> hoellp: I have the emails on ignore now!
[11:30] <BUGabundo> don't care. really I don't!
[11:30] <hoellp> me neither, either include or not, i don't really care
[11:31] <hoellp> i just want a good standard set of apps
[11:31] <hoellp> the only problem i have is, i don't use tomboy and i can't stand banshee
[11:32] <hoellp> the only useful mono progs for me are f-spot and gnome-do
[11:32] <hoellp> but these two are totally worth it
[11:32] <BUGabundo> hey RAOF
[11:32] <BUGabundo> got to love Do, but its unstable as heck RAOF ;)
[11:33] <BUGabundo> I don't even use f-spot LOL
[11:33] <BUGabundo> Do alone! its one of my main apps!
[11:34] <hoellp> i use f-spot to catalog and tag
[11:34] <hoellp> but not even on a weekly bas
[11:34] <hoellp> e
[11:35] <hoellp> BUGabundo: do you have 0.8.2 yet?
[11:35] <hoellp> it works better for me, and a lot faster
[11:37] <BUGabundo> hoellp: yes, from PPA
[11:38] <hoellp> it crashed about 5 times when first configuring it and i was about to remove it, but since then, it just works
[11:39] <BUGabundo> hehe
[11:39] <BUGabundo> yeah me too
[11:56] <hoellp> ff3.5 stable is in universe already?
[11:56] <BUGabundo> stable?
[11:56] <hoellp> yep
[11:56] <BUGabundo> was it unstable anytime ?
[11:56] <BUGabundo> :))
[11:57] <hoellp> Version: 3.5+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[11:57] <hoellp> and even set to replace ff3.1
[11:57] <hoellp> *switch switch*
[11:58] <hoellp> omg winerepos have the worst server ever...
[12:00] <hoellp> just ubuntu-desktop is not updated yet
[12:00] <BUGabundo> humm
[12:00] <BUGabundo> let me poke some ppl on that
[12:04] <m_tadeu> apt-get is trying to install 2 packages that contain the same file, leading to an error...is there a way to tell apt to do it anyway?
[12:05] <hoellp> you probably should just wait
[12:07] <m_tadeu> well...I'm stuck in the middle of important updates....and got stuck because of a background image ;) if ther is a way to move along, it's probably better then being stuck here
[12:08] <BUGabundo> m_tadeu: try aptitude ?!?
[12:08] <maxb> BUGabundo: How's that supposed to help?
[12:08] <maxb> m_tadeu: What is the file and what are the packages?
[12:08] <BUGabundo> maxb: better handling ?
[12:08] <maxb> BUGabundo: No
[12:08] <m_tadeu> /usr/share/wallpapers/Blue_Curl/contents/images/1280x800.jpg
[12:12] <maxb> I'd say bug in the package, make sure it's reportde
[12:13] <maxb> aptitude may well help you manouvre around the one problem to install other updates
[12:13] <maxb> but there's no way I no of to conveniently force the issue without potentially leaving your system in a somewhat indeterminate state
[12:13] <m_tadeu> yup...I'll make sure it is....I'll try aptitude....probalby will remove those wallpaper packages
[12:16] <BUGabundo> hey Hew
[12:16] <BUGabundo> maxb: true!
[12:23] <Hew> hi BUGabundo
[12:24] <hoellp> wow, nice day for updates
[12:25] <hoellp> 2.6.31 is coming down
[12:25] <BUGabundo> already??
[12:25] <hoellp> yep
[12:25] <BUGabundo> I was expecting it for august
[12:25] <Unksi> :)))
[12:25] <hoellp> but i'll wait a bit
[12:25] <Unksi> good idea
[12:26] <dupondje> just install it :)
[12:26] <hoellp> ^^
[12:26] <dupondje> your alpha or you aren't ;)
[12:26] <hoellp> y, but it's my only pc right now
[12:26] <dupondje> also here :)
[12:26] <hoellp> so, better wait a day or so
[12:26] <BUGabundo> main laptop here too
[12:26] <Unksi> dupondje: yeah, theres kde4.3rc1 coming in too, better wait that its all there and not break it by purpose if you can just wait a few hours to let it be consistent ;)
[12:27] <dupondje> don't use KDE so :)
[12:28] <Mechdave> Has anyone got the brightness bar on the desktop all the time on their laptop? I'm using Karmic
[12:29] <BUGabundo> dupondje: I use kmail :
[12:29] <dupondje> no
[12:29] <BUGabundo> :)
[12:29] <dupondje> Thunderbird !
[12:29] <dupondje> :)
[12:29] <BUGabundo> Mechdave: one thing I know ! GPM is utterly broken and so is any kind of power manager!
[12:29] <YaManicKill> broke x :(
[12:29] <BUGabundo> my laptop dropped from 2:30h to 1h :(((
[12:30] <YaManicKill> what would you recommend to try if x broke when i updated? i am using the nvidia drivers 180
[12:30] <Mechdave> BUGabundo, That would explain it then :)
[12:30] <dupondje> ok guys :) I gonne rejboot :P
[12:33] <yofel> YaManicKill: define 'broke it
[12:33] <yofel> YaManicKill: you should check your Xorg.0.log
[12:34] <hoellp> ok, DON'T upgrade to kernel .31 the restricted modules are still missing
[12:34] <hoellp> YaManicKill: did you upgrade in the last 10 mins or so?
[12:34] <YaManicKill> hoellp: yes...
[12:34] <YaManicKill> is that my prob?
[12:34] <YaManicKill> :P
[12:34] <hoellp> probably
[12:34] <YaManicKill> yofel: where is the log?
[12:34] <YaManicKill> darn
[12:34] <hoellp> just boot the old kernel and wait
[12:35] <YaManicKill> ok...2 secs...lemme reboot
[12:35] <hoellp> nice bootspeed ;)
[12:35] <m_tadeu> also kde....there are some packages from rc1 but just a few....didn't know it was comming out
[12:35] <Unksi> yep
[12:35] <dupondje> lol
[12:35] <dupondje> ok
[12:35] <Unksi> fortunately i got only the wallpapers on last update
[12:35] <dupondje> now we know its NOT working :)
[12:35] <hoellp> so, firefox 3.5 is stable already, but the branding package doesn't do it's job yet
[12:35] <Unksi> gonna wait till evening at least on that.. maybe tomorrow would be good
[12:36] <hoellp> Unksi: just check if all the necessary packages are there
[12:36] <dupondje> hoellp: asac_> dupondje: plan was to switch branding when we switch to ffox 3.5 by default
[12:36] <BUGabundo> lol
[12:36] <hoellp> ok, that explains it
[12:36] <Unksi> hoellp: yep.. am too lazy for that ;)
[12:36] <BUGabundo> give the guy a break
[12:36] <BUGabundo> heeh
[12:37] <hoellp> which guy? dupondje?
[12:37] <dupondje> asac :P
[12:37] <hoellp> no breaks with the breaks ;)
[12:37] <BUGabundo> hoellp: poor asac!
[12:38] <hoellp> ^^
[12:38] <hoellp> i got time, just thought i'd mention it
[12:38] <hoellp> anyone knows something about the plans for banshee?
[12:39] <dupondje> damn, they need to pull a new version of Nouveau driver into Karmic
[12:40] <YaManicKill> thanks guys...i have my lovely desktop back
[12:41] <hoellp> YaManicKill: and wait with the next update until the linux-restricted-modules get updated too
[12:41] <hoellp> then you're good to go with the new kernel
[12:41] <YaManicKill> hoellp: ahh, ok, cool, thats what i was just bout to ask :P
[12:41] <dupondje> only if u don't use nouveau :P
[12:41] <hoellp> doesn't it work?
[12:42] <dupondje> nops
[12:42] <hoellp> i never use it, i'm too fond of 3d...
[12:42] <dupondje> nouveau needs updated
[12:42] <dupondje> to work with 31
[12:42] <hoellp> mhm
[12:43] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nouveau-kernel-source/+bug/393885
[12:44] <hoellp> i hope it's an easy fix
[12:45] <dupondje> they just need to pull new version from git
[12:45] <dupondje> and make a package of it :P
[12:53]  * BUGabundo $ mv /dev/arse /media/kitchen; do eat; done; mv /dev/arse /tmp/newjob;
[13:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[14:17] <dupondje> gksu fixed !
[14:23] <patapouf> Hi all, I still have many issue with Jaunty with the Compositing (Compiz or Metacity with opensource radeon driver) and I wonder if Karmic solved some of the issue.
[14:37] <BluesKaj> grub2 almost broke my setup , it doesn't see X , so I had revert back to legacy-grub and the previous linux-kernel-image
[14:37] <Daskreech> If I'm not seeing a sound card in lspci or lshw I'm pretty much hosed eh?
[14:37] <hoellp> what has grub to do with x?
[14:39] <BluesKaj> hoellp, good question
[14:40] <hoellp> i guess you're victim of 2 possible problems right now, either missing a gdm update that bugged many of us yesterdy
[14:40] <hoellp> or you updated to the .31 kernel today and rely on a proprietary driver
[14:41] <hifi> so at least .31 will be in the karmic release?
[14:41] <hoellp> it already is
[14:41] <hoellp> but not completely...
[14:41] <tgpraveen> hifi: yep
[14:41] <hoellp> missing restricted like usual
[14:41] <BluesKaj> actually updated to. 31 yesterday, bur decided to try grub 2 today
[14:42] <hoellp> but .31 has neiter restricted modules, nor nouveau driver
[14:42] <hoellp> so you probably just lack a graphics driver
[14:43] <Pici> What happens if you tell grub2 to use an older kernel?
[14:44] <BluesKaj> nope, cuz i booted fine with .31-linux-image this morning...it didn't break til I tried to run grub2
[14:44] <hoellp> grub2 depends on a specific kernel?
[14:45] <hoellp> ah, now i understand...
[14:45] <hoellp> sry
[14:45] <BluesKaj> I wouldnt jump to that conclusion directly , but it makes me wonder
[14:47] <hoellp> how did you make the change to grub2?
[14:47] <BluesKaj> with apt
[14:47] <hoellp> and the upgrade script?
[14:49] <BluesKaj> i didn't run the upgrade script til I tried the grub2 test boot , which is an option
[14:50] <BluesKaj> the grub2 boot failed to recognize the Xserver
[14:50] <BluesKaj> anyway , I'm going to wait til it's more mature
[14:51] <hoellp> mhm
[14:51] <BluesKaj> yeah hmm
[14:52] <tgpraveen> the X guy in dev team said alpha 3 woulde be the time when all the X stuff would be stabilized
[14:52] <tgpraveen> so till then problems have a high rate of occurence
[14:52] <Daskreech> as far as X can be stablized
[14:57] <tormod> there should not be any interaction grub(2) <-> X
[14:57] <tormod> other than having splash or not in the grub kernel line
[14:58] <Daskreech> Splash is X or a frame buffer?
[14:58] <Daskreech> I'm almost certain if I specifically don't install X I still have a splash screen
[14:58] <tormod> splash is frame buffer, once you have X you would not need splash
[14:59] <Daskreech> so how is that an X interaction?
[14:59] <tormod> because splash does things with the graphic card setup that sometimes clashes with X
[15:00] <tormod> it is a bug of course. but one more reason to get rid of usplash
[15:01] <Daskreech> wait when are we doing that? ubuntu+1 or +2?
[15:01] <tormod> this was apropos "<BluesKaj> the grub2 boot failed to recognize the Xserver"
[15:01] <tormod> usplash should go away in Karmic
[15:02] <Daskreech> \o/
[15:02] <Daskreech> Hooray for cross distro collaboration
[15:02] <Pici> tormod: I didn't think that was happening this release.
[15:02] <tormod> it will not be replaced by plymouth, if that was what you are thinking :)
[15:03] <Daskreech> Boooo
[15:03] <Daskreech> :-)
[15:03] <tormod> the goal is to have X started so quickly after grub that there is no need for usplash/plymouth
[15:04] <Daskreech> tormod: What about the rest of the services? They take time to start
[15:04] <Daskreech> I know ext4 is quicker at fsck and all but ...
[15:04] <tormod> Pici, I could be wrong, or plans can be changed of course
[15:04] <Pici> tormod: I could be wrong too
[15:05] <tormod> most services can be started after X. X does not depend on all that.
[15:05] <tormod> fsck is not really checking your fs if it is clean
[15:06] <tormod> I am sure we can get X started early, but I am more pessimistic about also having gnome loaded in 10 seconds :)
[15:07] <Daskreech> I can load KDE in that time
[15:07] <Daskreech> well a cached load
[15:07] <Daskreech> not sure about a cold boot load
[15:07] <tormod> we are talking 10 seconds total, from grub to quiet gnome, more like 5 seconds for cold start of gnome...
[15:07] <Daskreech> In any case my issue is giving people a login before things like databases etc have initalized
[15:08] <Daskreech> Sounds like a security issue
[15:08] <tormod> well if your login depends on databases it will be launched after those
[15:09] <tormod> on most systems, there is no database other than some /etc files
[15:10] <tormod> that's event driven startup (upstart) - launch things as soon as dependencies are met
[15:10] <tormod> not like the old sysvinit, start everything first just in case some nut needs it
[15:11] <Daskreech> there really need to be more upstart tuts around
[15:11] <Daskreech>  It's starting to break sysv stuff for me and I'm not sure yet how to propely use upstart
[15:12] <Daskreech> That's more me not havingtime to attack it though :-)
[15:12] <tormod> upstart is not api-stable so do not port your stuff to it yet
[15:13] <tormod> it maintains compatibility with sysv stuff by running the rc scripts as well
[15:14] <tormod> so things can be ported over bit by bit
[15:14] <tormod> if it breaks your sysv stuff it is because your sysv stuff is broken :)
[15:15] <tormod> make sure they have the LSB headers for dependencies etc
[15:43] <Arne> hi there, does the karmic alpha 2 already have the air artwork?
[15:59] <abo> hola
[15:59] <abo> hello
[15:59] <abo> i need help
[16:00] <Daskreech> apparently not enough
[16:01] <tormod> :)
[16:04] <miik> it come kernel 2.6.31 in update, yes... but now it nvidia driver dont work it dkms error, why?
[16:04] <jml> is there an ubuntu-lts channel?
[16:04] <miik> i dont know
[16:04] <tormod> jml, use #ubuntu
[16:04] <jml> tormod, ok, thanks.
[16:05] <miik> my nvidia dont work in 2.6.31
[16:05] <miik> it only work in 2.6.30
[16:05] <tormod> maybe you should try nouveau
[16:05] <miik> noway, it has sucks
[16:05] <miik> it has no cool 3d compiz + game
[16:06] <miik> nouvea is hippie open source driver of crap performance
[16:06] <Pici> miik: Those are risks that you run when using an Alpha version of Ubuntu
[16:06] <miik> ok
[16:06] <Pici> miik: stop with the degrading comments
[16:06] <miik> ok
[16:06] <miik> but karmic alpha 2 more stable than jaunty
[16:06] <tormod> so stay at alpha 2 :)
[16:06] <miik> yes
[16:07]  * Twigathy guesses he'll install the new kernel but boot the old one :)
[16:09] <tgpraveen> miik: nouvea does not suck
[16:09] <miik> Twigathy, yes thats what i do
[16:09] <Twigathy> hm, can I resize /boot safely?
[16:09] <tgpraveen> i think it is better at 2d performance than proprietary ones
[16:09] <miik> tgpraveen, it can do Compiz, game like Nexuiz, Sauerbrauten, Alien Arena? it can do porno video?
[16:09] <tgpraveen> and 3d is being worked upon
[16:10] <Twigathy> I have a 1G CompactFlash and only 100M partition for /boot. Can I just grow it to use the whole thing?
[16:10] <tgpraveen> in karmic +1 i am guessing that it will be in as default and by then probably nvidia willl also support it as it will have kms etc
[16:10] <miik> when nouvea get kms?
[16:10] <miik> i want kms
[16:10] <tgpraveen> miik: i think video playing should be fine and compiz also does work i think though not sure
[16:10] <tgpraveen> miik: by time of karmic +1
[16:11] <miik> ok
[16:11] <tgpraveen> with kernel 2.6.32 or 33
[16:11] <dupondje> miik: I first want nouveau to get working with 2.6.31 :(
[16:11] <tgpraveen> miik: and to give a idea of how good it is fedora provides it in its default install from f10 or 11
[16:11] <tormod> there is already ppa packages for nouveau-kms but it's rather shaky at the moment
[16:11] <tgpraveen> and red hat has employed the main dev of nouveau
[16:12] <tgpraveen> tormod: define shaky?
[16:12] <miik> cool
[16:12] <miik> i love redhat
[16:12] <tormod> like it does not work for many people
[16:12] <tgpraveen> miik: yep i find myself liing red hat a lot these days too
[16:13] <tormod> tgpraveen: but expect it to improve over the next weeks
[16:13] <tgpraveen> tormod: cool but it wont be in karmic right
[16:13] <tgpraveen> ?
[16:14] <tormod> tgpraveen: no
[16:14] <jml> I'm running karmic on my laptop, with hardy in a chroot -- what's the most expedient way for me to get python2.3
[16:15] <GatoLoko> tgpraveen there are optional packages for karmic in the universe repository
[16:15] <tormod> GatoLoko: we were talking kms here
[16:15] <tgpraveen> GatoLoko: yeah but i am afraid some kittens might die if i use it ;-)
[16:16] <GatoLoko> tormod doesn't the karmic packages support kms?
[16:17] <tormod> not for nouveau. only the ppa packages do (try to)
[16:17] <GatoLoko> maybe i'm mistaking something because i've tried karmic packages and git self built ones alternetively
[16:17] <tormod> there is even a live CD with nouveau KMS so you can test it without sacrificing kitten
[16:17] <tgpraveen> xorg-edgers
[16:17] <tormod> https://edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/nouveau
[16:24] <dupondje> tormod: but there is no package for 2.6.31 kernel ?
[16:26] <tormod> dupondje: right, you will have to install the kernel explicitly and choose it while booting
[16:27] <yoasif> cwillu, around?
[16:27] <dupondje> aren't the changed added yet into 2.6.31 ?
[16:27] <dupondje> the changes needed for nouveau
[16:29] <itswhatev> idk if it was the upgrade process, but my 2.6.31-11 doesn't seem like it's even loading into memory from grub
[16:30] <itswhatev> i'm back on n-1
[16:31] <cwillu> yoasif, pign
[16:31] <tormod> dupondje: the changes are not in the main kernel, so wait for someone to build a new custom kernel
[16:32] <tgpraveen> guys to all those on karmic is there any recognizable performane as compare to jautny?
[17:45] <Ng> ooh, 2.6.31 in karmic
[17:48] <tgpraveen> bug #390362
[18:00] <DrUnKnMuNkY> Does anyone know if Thunderbird 3 is going to be included in 9.10?
[18:00] <tgpraveen> DrUnKnMuNkY: when is it going to be released?
[18:01] <tgpraveen> is anyone here following gnome 3 developments
[18:01] <tgpraveen> if so then tell me what will happen to nautilius once zeitgest is in?
[18:02] <DrUnKnMuNkY> tgpraveen: not sure.. they've released a second beta so I imagine it would be ready before the end of october
[18:02] <DrUnKnMuNkY> mozilla doesn't work on a time-based release schedule though
[18:02] <sporkboy> need help! just did an aptitude upgrade (karmic), rebooted, now I have no video (nv), and I'm not sure how to connect the wifi to even try to fix it w/o nm-applet. :/
[18:05] <tgpraveen> DrUnKnMuNkY: it probably has to make it before the freez
[18:05] <tgpraveen> and it mostly wont happen
[18:05] <tgpraveen> maybe they could provide a thunderbird 3 pacakge anyways along with thunderbird 2 in the repos
[18:05] <tgpraveen> u should ask somebody in #ubuntu-devel and request for this
[18:06] <DrUnKnMuNkY> tgpraveen: that's what i was hoping for at least... just something to test it out without having to compile/package it myself
[18:06] <sporkboy> also... I'm starting to regret trying karmic (I know, I know)... is there anything other than a reinstall that can be done at this point?
[18:08] <DrUnKnMuNkY> sporkboy: look online somewhere for instructions on using wpa_supplicant to connect to wifi, and you'll likely need to reinstall if you can't get anything to work
[18:10] <tgpraveen> DrUnKnMuNkY: cant u just change ur sources to jaunty ones
[18:10] <tgpraveen> and then roll back or something
[18:10] <tgpraveen> i am probably sure something like that is possible
[18:11] <DrUnKnMuNkY> tgpraveen: i'll figure something out.. just thought i'd ask first. thanks
[18:20] <Daskreech> Where is the --nofloppy coming from? it's not in the menu.lst
[18:28] <dazjorz> is Jonathan Thomas in here? :)
[18:28] <dazjorz> the package for kdebase-runtime should get Depends: kdelibs = 4:4.2.95-0ubuntu1
[18:36] <dazjorz> usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default/dialogs/shutdowndialog.source.svgz
[18:36] <dazjorz> should be removed from kdebase-runtime-data.install
[18:51] <iPoRn> does anyone have any problem opening Synaptic ?
[18:53] <iPoRn> when i try to, i get this error: Unable to execute /usr/sbin/synaptic as root ; Unable to copy the file of the user Xauthorization. <- it was in Portuguese, i translated it ;x
[19:00] <dupondje> iPoRn: u have latest updates ?
[19:00] <dupondje> cause there was some bug
[19:00] <iPoRn> yes
[19:00] <iPoRn> do you know witch package contain that error?
[19:01] <iPoRn> the ones that i have left to do is, the new kernel, and kernel stuff
[20:31] <miik> mozilla team have channel?
[20:31] <Pici> miik: #ubuntu-mozillateam
[20:31] <miik> thanks
[21:05] <mphill> is there a known issue when trying to install teh nvidia driver?
[21:06] <shane_fagan> I have that issue too
[21:06] <andersk> mphill: yes, bug 394262
[21:06] <shane_fagan> I dont know if there is a bug reported yet
[21:06] <shane_fagan> That answers me then
[21:08] <mphill> "ERROR: Unable to build the NVIDIA kernel module."
[21:08] <mphill> error: �agp_memory� has no member named �memory
[21:08] <mphill> something verbose like that :)
[21:10] <andersk> Yeah, that is bug 394262.
[21:11] <mphill> andersk: thanks
[21:11] <mphill> that helps
[21:11] <mphill> a lot
[21:12] <mphill> oh the joys of running alpha
[21:13] <shane_fagan> Yep, just dont restart and it shouldn't effect you too much
[21:16] <mphill> well i did the patch from work
[21:16] <mphill> i should try to restart gdm and see if the fail safe stuff is running
[21:17] <mphill> totally awesome 2.6.31 made it in thought
[21:18] <shane_fagan> mphill: nice
[21:27] <BUGabundo> boas noites
[21:45] <DanaG> Weird things are happening on Intel with the xinput2 PPA.
[21:46] <DanaG> It sees a second, phantom DVI output with a 1366x768 top resolution.
[21:46] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Xorg.intel.log
[21:47] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xrandr.intel.log
[21:48] <DanaG> oh, and on a site note.... nouveau works better now than it used to, on that NV17.
[21:49] <DanaG> Won't modeset, though... something about failing to allocate aperture.
[21:49] <BUGabundo> really?
[21:49] <BUGabundo> DanaG: ill try it when I format
[21:49] <dupondje> DanaG: but nouveau doesn't work on 2.6.31 ?
[21:49] <DanaG> The PPA Nouveau, that is.
[21:49] <DanaG> Hmm, haven't tried it on 31.  I did the nouveau last night.
[21:49] <DanaG> The intel is today.
[21:51] <dupondje> u got nouveau from xorg-edgers ?
[21:53] <DanaG> yeah, the nouveau-kms repo.
[22:55] <DanaG> ugh, damn intel KMS... sets the thing to an invalid resolution -- that is, one the monitor doesn't support.
[22:55] <DanaG> Works fine without KMS.
[23:29] <DanaG> grr, intel driver in the xinput2 PPA just hard-locks Xorg.
[23:29] <DanaG> er
[23:29] <DanaG> hard-locks compiz.
[23:29] <DanaG> I have to kill -9 compiz.
[23:50] <DanaG> Anyone know how to make KMS work on Intel?  For me, it doesn't work -- it sets an invalid screen mode.
[23:55] <DanaG> oh, and for some reason, it seems to think it has two HDMI ports.